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eightyfour_k
post Nov 22 2007, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 22 2007, 04:08 PM)
Yes, you are right. But issuers are not dumb, they can hedge themselves out.

They issue C1 at 1.00, conversion at 2.00 while mothershare is at 2.00. They already make 1.00 out of it, as public are actually buying at 3.00 (1 + 2 exercise price) for the mothershare actually, they can hedge themselves out with buying the mothershare at 2.00, so even the mothershare shoot to 5.00, they are making 4.00 (1.00 from issuing CW + 3.00 from the mothershare), while just losing 3.00 at for the cash settled C1. If they hedge themselve, in whatever situation, they are the ultimate sure winner.
That's why I always said CW is a money printing machine for the issuers. Currently there is overflow in the market, it just mean 'sucking' public money only, not a healthy situation if too many CW in the market. One ChinaMobile already got 7 CW aka C1...C7.

They can also doing arbitrage as well (if got the same CW listing in HK or elsewhere as well). Arbitrage is even more billiant move, if can do it. They are plenty of proffesional traders doing arbritrage in the market especially those matured and developed market. Arbritrage is much more complicated for some new comers in the market, but if you know it, it is quite simple as well.
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post Nov 22 2007, 04:29 PM

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Actually, do you think DJ down is because of Thanksgivings....so profit taking? I read the jobless claim is less, so meaning the jobs statistic will be nice, and suppose to boost DJ, am I right? Or they want to pressure Fed to lower the rate, thus give letting it fall, like last round
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post Nov 22 2007, 04:34 PM

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Very poor volume today, ain't it? Only 815M traded only.
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post Nov 22 2007, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ninjitsu @ Nov 22 2007, 04:34 PM)
Very poor volume today, ain't it? Only 815M traded only.
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market is too unpredictable
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post Nov 22 2007, 04:41 PM

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Some shares are rebounding...
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post Nov 22 2007, 04:53 PM

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What news also no use, just follow the market trends. it goes up and down everyday. Some people will get burn if carry on like that for sure. One day if crash definately alot of people will get burn definately. GREED and TESTING MARKET investor is there.

Small timers will always be in the dark, news will be outdated or belated when reach them.

WIll never be enough of earning profit right. Market go down RE-ENTER, go down some more RE-ENTER AGAIN until no money left hope to rebound, what if dont rebound HOW? Hold another 10 years or wait for privatisation?

Talk is different than doing. talk people can talk very big but when come to practical this cannot that cannot, difficult alot of nuisance or excuses right.

Getting news,dividend and waiting for regional market to rebound, the tension is there and setting a big trap is also there as well as technical rebound just to plse the investor.

Hope to see the market drop like hell and see how. A fool will always never learn indeed. GREED is a problem never satisfy. Companies is setting trap for the investor to go in (eg Join venture news but later disagree).

Someday profit earn earlier will be given back for sure in multiple times if the investor keeps going on like that and never change the way it plays.

the wave length/technics/game play between the big players and small is different and thats where the dangerous part comes in. When market down waiting for miracles or good news and when the market is up still can go up some more.

A Fool does not learn. History will repeat.

May the share market be with U.
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post Nov 22 2007, 04:53 PM

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ya meh??? or ur shares are rebounding????
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post Nov 22 2007, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Nov 22 2007, 04:53 PM)
ya meh??? or ur shares are rebounding????
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Is it because there's no rebound for Sapcres, Dialog?

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 22 2007, 04:29 PM)
Actually, do you think DJ down is because of Thanksgivings....so profit taking? I read the jobless claim is less, so meaning the jobs statistic will be nice, and suppose to boost DJ, am I right? Or they want to pressure Fed to lower the rate, thus give letting it fall, like last round
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What they worrying is regarding the financial sector. The losses that are being written off by Citigroup etc etc are just a tiny part of the actual impact of the subprime crisis. More and more losses is being reported right now and that doesnt includes homes that aint sold yet or still under construction. The real problem is that the people lose their money as do the finance sector. So there is a possibility of recession in the US which might pose one or two problems for foreign investment and exporter relying on US import.
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it sink again liao
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Wow....Euro plunging straight....dunno what will happen to KLCI tomoro
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post Nov 22 2007, 05:02 PM

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i didnt buy anything till the end of the day

i wouldnt mind if tomolo HSI surge 1,000 Pts, i guess i did the right decision, atleast i feel ease now smile.gif
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I see some fear setting in...

Bought some today laugh.gif
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post Nov 22 2007, 05:03 PM

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ai....rebound also have a long way to go....been down the whole week......need time to recover.... sad.gif
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post Nov 22 2007, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Nov 22 2007, 04:29 PM)
Actually, do you think DJ down is because of Thanksgivings....so profit taking? I read the jobless claim is less, so meaning the jobs statistic will be nice, and suppose to boost DJ, am I right? Or they want to pressure Fed to lower the rate, thus give letting it fall, like last round
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QUOTE(kapitan @ Nov 22 2007, 04:57 PM)
What they worrying is regarding the financial sector. The losses that are being written off by Citigroup etc etc are just a tiny part of the actual impact of the subprime crisis. More and more losses is being reported right now and that doesnt includes homes that aint sold yet or still under construction. The real problem is that the people lose their money as do the finance sector. So there is a possibility of recession in the US which might pose one or two problems for foreign investment and exporter relying on US import.
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The recent problem is credit issue or credit crunch. Banks are having big write-off here and there. Nobody knows who carry the most, all are in dark, so even banks are not dare to lend to each other unless with high interest rate which cost the Libor rate is significant higher than Fed fund rate. This is the most worrying part, banks tighten the credit which by then will lead to consumers later on.
If job growth deteoriate, then stock market needs years to recover then. But luckily it has not, but no one knows it won't. So uncertainty is there, market doesn't like it.
Although this problem still not yet spread to consumer but if it does, it can lead to recession of US economy, also USD plunging and oil price surging make the whole scenario worsen. That's why stock market is fearing that will occur and lead to sell-off.
So near term stock market is highly depended on how economy situation play out.
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QUOTE(lhurgyof @ Nov 22 2007, 05:02 PM)
I see some fear setting in...

Bought some today  laugh.gif
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beli apa? brows.gif


QUOTE(kinwawa @ Nov 22 2007, 05:03 PM)
ai....rebound also have a long way to go....been down the whole week......need time to recover.... sad.gif
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yahlor, need some time to recover rolleyes.gif

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[quote=panasonic88,Nov 22 2007, 05:05 PM]
beli apa? brows.gif

Sorry, can't say. Still wanna add more holdings.
If LYN forumers all buy, sure price will go up one... tongue.gif
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post Nov 22 2007, 05:16 PM

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Cant Hold on to the money, itchy, no patients, Greed, scare no chance to buy. Just Go in and Buy. or jump into the band wagon and let fate to decide to go up or down. smile.gif
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post Nov 22 2007, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 22 2007, 05:05 PM)
The recent problem is credit issue or credit crunch. Banks are having big write-off here and there. Nobody knows who carry the most, all are in dark, so even banks are not dare to lend to each other unless with high interest rate which cost the Libor rate is significant higher than Fed fund rate. This is the most worrying part, banks tighten the credit which by then will lead to consumers later on.
If job growth deteoriate, then stock market needs years to recover then. But luckily it has not, but no one knows it won't. So uncertainty is there, market doesn't like it.
Although this problem still not yet spread to consumer but if it does, it can lead to recession of US economy, also USD plunging and oil price surging make the whole scenario worsen. That's why stock market is fearing that will occur and lead to sell-off.
So near term stock market is highly depended on how economy situation play out.
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Im pretty sure right now we still havent see the truth thats behind all the subprime yet. We will have to wait till New Year for 4Q result and Im sure by then all we can do is sit and watch as recession blew all over US.

What Im interested to see is how much will it affect the world economy.
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post Nov 22 2007, 05:32 PM

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That's a frightening thought.

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