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A picture is worth a thousand words and this one is surely worth that many. I guess this time we're talking about Radeon HD 3870 X2 for real, it's even working in CrossFire mode. The Radeon HD 3870 X2 has two Radeon HD 3870's on board and is set to be released in Q1 2008 if all goes well. The second, third and fourth pictures show AMD's "Spider" gaming platform running AMD 790FX motherboard and four ATI Radeon HD 3870 video cards in CrossFireX mode.


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wow four card is a row is abit messy but the top wan 2 core in 1 card...is drool.gif
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4 gcs in a row.... look so beautiful.... but will it be noisy =_=, thinking of 4 gts in a row ... haha... can be a toaster when playing games tongue.gif
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the 2 core in 1 card for HD3870 i think can kill gtx and cheaper price.....
cos currently 1 HD3870 just few K behind 8800GTX in 3D06
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Is there a Intel version that can put 4 HD 3870?
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QUOTE(rsangel @ Nov 16 2007, 08:58 AM)
4 gcs in a row.... look so beautiful.... but will it be noisy =_=, thinking of 4 gts in a row ... haha... can be a toaster when playing games tongue.gif
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I dont think GTS is capable of 4 SLi right? Of course its going to be very very hot and noisy..LOL..Single GTS is already hot enough..

BUt seriously, setting up 4 GC is really very eye catching indeed tongue.gif
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QUOTE(akachester @ Nov 16 2007, 09:15 AM)
I dont think GTS is capable of 4 SLi right? Of course its going to be very very hot and noisy..LOL..Single GTS is already hot enough..

BUt seriously, setting up 4 GC is really very eye catching indeed  tongue.gif
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ya just benchmarking and showing off laugh.gif
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4 cards in one row @@, besides performance, really wan to know the temperature around there.
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i think its a full tower casing
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Nov 16 2007, 09:22 AM)
Dual Phenom X4 + Quad 3870 X2

definitely crazy
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currently i onli can think of 1 guy can do that...
brother ianho.... drool.gif
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Nov 16 2007, 12:01 PM)
currently i onli can think of 1 guy can do that...
brother ianho....   drool.gif
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see wheter he want to test or not...if cant then read others review ohmy.gif
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Omg 2 cores in one card? Benchmarks rawr..
i wonder if the [3870 x2] can equal 3870 CF or not
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QUOTE(ivanchin99 @ Nov 16 2007, 11:19 AM)
Omg 2 cores in one card? Benchmarks rawr..
i wonder if the [3870 x2] can equal 3870 CF or not
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i think probably same....but the HD3870 is to counter 8800gtx and even ultra if can drool.gif
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ATI brings decent performance at a quite resonable price...really impressive. is this is actually their plan? their gc quite affordalble too...nod.gif
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i though only hv dual core processor, but now even hv dual core graphic processor sweat.gif i'm really outdate le

and i would like to ask, how much temp is it?? it seems like dont hv 3rd party cooler, and wat PSU it use? real power 1000w??

i like the dual processor at the first pic, but not all casing can fit in it i think....

and can the first pic, the HD3870 X2 can go 4 crossfire?? 3870 put 4 card running crossfire 2X4=8 thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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Damn.... 4 cards so powerful.... But need a full tower/server casing to do so.... Really high-end.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(amduser @ Nov 16 2007, 11:35 AM)
i though only hv dual core processor, but now even hv dual core graphic processor sweat.gif i'm really outdate le

and i would like to ask, how much temp is it?? it seems like dont hv 3rd party cooler, and wat PSU it use? real power 1000w??

i like the dual processor at the first pic, but not all casing can fit in it i think....

and can the first pic, the HD3870 X2 can go 4 crossfire?? 3870 put 4 card running crossfire 2X4=8 thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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the 3870 X2 only got one CF slot. i think it can't...
anyway, dual core gpu already in the market quite long time already....
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this build for HD3870 x2 is better than 7950gx last time..... at least this HD3870 x2 still 1 card we can see but 7950gx is 2 card quite huge shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Nov 16 2007, 11:46 AM)
this build for HD3870 x2 is better than 7950gx last time..... at least this HD3870 x2 still 1 card we can see but 7950gx is 2 card quite huge shakehead.gif
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last time there are also several dual gpu card in the market such as asus x1800xt, gecube xt1600xt, 2600xt...but its quite rare actually...
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QUOTE(rainingzero @ Nov 16 2007, 11:49 AM)
last time there are also several dual gpu card in the market such as asus x1800xt, gecube xt1600xt, 2600xt...but its quite rare actually...
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ya i know...thoe x2600xt gemini which review is hardwarezone .....
the ati dual core gpu is better than those nvidia for temporary like 7950gx which is huge rclxub.gif compare to ati 2600xt
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QUOTE(rainingzero @ Nov 16 2007, 11:45 AM)
the 3870 X2 only got one CF slot. i think it can't...
anyway, dual core gpu already in the market quite long time already....
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maybe i'm only look up to nvidia and seldom see the ati card, maybe i dont like red colour tongue.gif for wat i know, dual core gc only in ATI right?? nvidia seems like a step behind or somethings sweat.gif is the 3870 X2 can go X4 crossfire then we should call it, ATI HD3870 X2 CF X4 rclxub.gif

i think that time can ply crysis at ultra high high high high settings, without hving the gc fully load thumbup.gif then it will be no game that's unplayable....

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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Nov 16 2007, 11:54 AM)
ya i know...thoe x2600xt gemini which review is hardwarezone .....
the ati dual core gpu is better than those nvidia for temporary like 7950gx which is huge  rclxub.gif compare to ati 2600xt
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i thought 2600xt gemini is 2 mobile gpu in one single card??is the performance same like desktop gpu??
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I doubt a 1000 PSU whether enough for this 4 graphic card hmm.gif hmm.gif
I think all of us will more interest with the benchmark result.
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QUOTE(Faint @ Nov 16 2007, 11:59 AM)
I doubt a 1000 PSU whether enough for this 4 graphic card hmm.gif  hmm.gif
I think all of us will more interest with the benchmark result.
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i dont know how to see benchmarks actually, so i ask for how much the power it use, if 1000W not enough then i think is need a 2000W psu, more than the current of the electrical appliance at home, and probably he need a three phase wire to run that shakehead.gif
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and of course the cost..
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and of course the cost..
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if RM1.5k for each GC then 1.5k X 4 = RM6k
new electrical and wiring would cost about 10k, who would buy it?? Bill Gate rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ivanchin99 @ Nov 16 2007, 12:04 PM)
and of course the cost..
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not to mention the electricity bills if it need higher than 1000watt... doh.gif
but this 3870 already improve its power consumption right??
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QUOTE(amduser @ Nov 16 2007, 11:57 AM)
maybe i'm only look up to nvidia and seldom see the ati card, maybe i dont like red colour tongue.gif for wat i know, dual core gc only in ATI right?? nvidia seems like a step behind or somethings  sweat.gif  is the 3870 X2 can go X4 crossfire then we should call it, ATI HD3870 X2 CF X4 rclxub.gif

i think that time can ply crysis at ultra high high high high settings, without hving the gc fully load thumbup.gif then it will be no game that's unplayable....
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QUOTE(rainingzero @ Nov 16 2007, 11:57 AM)
i thought 2600xt gemini is 2 mobile gpu in one single card??is the performance same like desktop gpu??
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sorry my bad, hardwarezone review is 1650xt gemini

2600xt gemini
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QUOTE(amduser @ Nov 16 2007, 12:04 PM)
i dont know how to see benchmarks actually, so i ask for how much the power it use, if 1000W not enough then i think is need a 2000W psu, more than the current of the electrical appliance at home, and probably he need a three phase wire to run that shakehead.gif
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I think don't need to buy super high-end PSU la... Get another PSU to power-up the GCs then can lor.... This time really everything multi already lor.... So tempting to get ATI now man.... Have to sit back and wait for any changes... Maybe NVIDIA has some tricks under their sleeves..... I believe the real champ is the HD3870 X2... Total 8 GPUs running simultaneously.... Can play on 50" plasma without any hiccups... laugh.gif
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one psu one gc...4 gc 4 psu ....cant imagine the electric bill ..
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1gc 1psu, 4gc 4psu, it would be 4times of yr electicity bill sweat.gif
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Oh my..4 cards in one rig..wonder what's the performance wise..really can't wait for the benchmark results lol!
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Nov 16 2007, 09:13 AM)
the 2 core in 1 card for HD3870 i think can kill gtx and cheaper price.....
cos currently 1 HD3870 just few K behind 8800GTX in 3D06
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i wonder why wanna compare 3870x2 with gtx.. from the name itself shows that radeon 3 series is suppose to fight with the to-be-released nvidia card or at least the new G92... not the one that had been released last year!

if people comparing the coming radeon with nvidia 11 months old card, then it shows how slow ATi is..

summore there's no point for ATi to produce a card just to fight with gtx or ultra since nvidia has makes lots of profits from those 2 card already..

the new released 3870 currently looks disappointing and seems imcapable to fight with either gtx or ultra..

i think ATi is using wrong strategy by naming it with 3 series.. suppose they just put name like 2970 to avoid high expectation from end user.. doh.gif

note my keypoint.. currently..

i think the keyfactor here is the driver.. if it is true the dissappointing performance now is bcoz of driver, then ATi can only win if they manage to come out with a good driver before the new nvidia card comes out.. if not, then they are just going to repeat the same mistake like before...

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QUOTE(irenic @ Nov 16 2007, 01:18 PM)
i wonder why wanna compare 3870x2 with gtx.. from the name itself shows that radeon 3 series is suppose to fight with the to-be-released nvidia card or at least the new G92... not the one that had been released last year!

if people comparing the coming radeon with nvidia 11 months old card, then it shows how slow ATi is..

summore there's no point for ATi to produce a card just to fight with gtx or ultra since nvidia has makes lots of profits from those 2 card already..

the new released 3870 currently looks disappointing and seems imcapable to fight with either gtx or ultra..

i think ATi is using wrong strategy by naming it with 3 series.. suppose they just put name like 2970 to avoid high expectation from end user.. doh.gif

note my keypoint.. currently..

i think the keyfactor here is the driver.. if it is true the dissappointing performance now is bcoz of driver, then ATi can only win if they manage to come out with a good driver before the new nvidia card comes out.. if not, then they are just going to repeat the same mistake like before...
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not we want to compare with 11 month old card...but temporary 8800ultra is the king...if we are not compare to it..then which to compare?? blush.gif cos 2 core in 1 card the price almost equal to 88gtx price (assume we buy 2 HD3870 price) unless we doin sli for 8800gt blush.gif
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Nov 16 2007, 02:01 PM)
not we want to compare with 11 month old card...but temporary 8800ultra is the king...if we are not compare to it..then which to compare??  blush.gif  cos 2 core in 1 card the price almost equal to 88gtx price (assume we buy 2 HD3870 price) unless we doin sli for 8800gt  blush.gif
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people are comparing the featureset vs pricepoint vs performance..

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QUOTE(irenic @ Nov 16 2007, 12:18 AM)
i wonder why wanna compare 3870x2 with gtx.. from the name itself shows that radeon 3 series is suppose to fight with the to-be-released nvidia card or at least the new G92... not the one that had been released last year!

if people comparing the coming radeon with nvidia 11 months old card, then it shows how slow ATi is..

summore there's no point for ATi to produce a card just to fight with gtx or ultra since nvidia has makes lots of profits from those 2 card already..

the new released 3870 currently looks disappointing and seems imcapable to fight with either gtx or ultra..

i think ATi is using wrong strategy by naming it with 3 series.. suppose they just put name like 2970 to avoid high expectation from end user.. doh.gif

note my keypoint.. currently..

i think the keyfactor here is the driver.. if it is true the dissappointing performance now is bcoz of driver, then ATi can only win if they manage to come out with a good driver before the new nvidia card comes out.. if not, then they are just going to repeat the same mistake like before...
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The name hardly means anything. It's an arbitrary name chosen by marketing. I think they just wanted to distance themselves from the failure that was the R600.

And they were never planning to go up against the gtx or the ultra with a single RV670. It's strictly a performance midrange card. The fact that it can even be compared against a G92 is a bonus. And i doubt it's the drivers. This thing is a direct derivative of the R600. It just seems that the 6xx series tends to perform less than the paper specs would have you believe. But RV670 is a fine chip really for its price range.
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QUOTE(stevenlee @ Nov 16 2007, 02:01 PM)
not we want to compare with 11 month old card...but temporary 8800ultra is the king...if we are not compare to it..then which to compare??  blush.gif  cos 2 core in 1 card the price almost equal to 88gtx price (assume we buy 2 HD3870 price) unless we doin sli for 8800gt  blush.gif
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i like to compare with 8800gt more than 8800gtx.. both in the same price range, and both are new card.. and for now definitely 3870 lose.. 3870x2 shud beat 8800gt, since it has 2 cores.. and higher price.. but will the the 20-30% improvement enuff to beat the next coming nvidia high end that might has same value as the 3870x2? hmm we will see..

QUOTE(ikanayam @ Nov 16 2007, 04:37 PM)
The name hardly means anything. It's an arbitrary name chosen by marketing. I think they just wanted to distance themselves from the failure that was the R600.

And they were never planning to go up against the gtx or the ultra with a single RV670. It's strictly a performance midrange card. The fact that it can even be compared against a G92 is a bonus. And i doubt it's the drivers. This thing is a direct derivative of the R600. It just seems that the 6xx series tends to perform less than the paper specs would have you believe. But RV670 is a fine chip really for its price range.
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yeah i realize this rv670 is a fine chip.. but in the eyes of mainstream, i dun see it as drastic change from 2900xt.. i'm not talking bout the technical details... just bout pure performance

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power colour 3850 extreme almost on par with 2900xt in 3d06 drool.gif

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noticed 3 things:

the psu looks like a silencer 750, one of the "QUAD SLi Ready" PSU.

only one cf bridge connector on the ultra 1337 dual gpu HD3870 ...... dont think there will be a 16 gpu setup, FOR NOW.

only 3 cf bridge were used for the quad cf setup ..... just weird.



i assume AMD is currently being run by some humanoid looking alien race with advanced graphic technology and absolutely NO HUMAN MARKETING SKILLS / STRATEGY at all. but thats just me.
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Nov 16 2007, 04:37 PM)
The fact that it can even be compared against a G92 is a bonus.
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You finally saw through? laugh.gif

irenic, not everybody needs an expensive card to e-p3n15 wagglery.

When the HD 3850 256MB reaches RM500-550 and 512MB, RM650-RM700 with non-official boards (look out for Palit/Xpertvision), nVidia can't beat them in any way. Even the 8800GT 256 non-official is still 200USD.

Crossfire 2 3850 512MB/3870, and you get a system that can beat the new 8800GTS in Crossfire by a lot. Don't underestimate AMD, they're still in the game and by the looks of it seemingly winning this winter in sales.


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only 3 cf bridge were used for the quad cf setup ..... just weird
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It's supposed to be like that.

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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Nov 16 2007, 09:35 PM)
You finally saw through?  laugh.gif

irenic, not everybody needs an expensive card to e-p3n15 wagglery.

When the HD 3850 256MB reaches RM500-550 and 512MB, RM650-RM700 with non-official boards (look out for Palit/Xpertvision), nVidia can't beat them in any way. Even the 8800GT 256 non-official is still 200USD.

Crossfire 2 3850 512MB/3870, and you get a system that can beat the new 8800GTS in Crossfire by a lot. Don't underestimate AMD, they're still in the game and by the looks of it seemingly winning this winter in sales.


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It's supposed to be like that.
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yeah i agree with u.. but remember that dual gfx wont have the performance of 2 cards.. especially crossfire where u can only feel the benefits in certain games.. while some games will result in poorer performance when cf enable..

well i dunno how's the performance of 8800gts g92 yet, but if 3850 cf can beats the card in all games or benchies, than that's very good.. if not, better stick with single gts.. less heat.. less hassle..
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I won't say all, but keep in mind that the 8800GTS "New" is still bandwidth limited. Performance will whimper when you go to 1920*1200++. Dual crossfire cards are the way to go in high res.
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Nov 16 2007, 10:27 AM)
I won't say all, but keep in mind that the 8800GTS "New" is still bandwidth limited. Performance will whimper when you go to 1920*1200++. Dual crossfire cards are the way to go in high res.
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It's probably caused by the memory management bug on the G92 based cards. There should be some nice boosts when they fix that.
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256-bit is 256-bit. You can't bypass that unless you get GDDR4, or you do multi-GPU.


The GT doesn't have any problems with resolution scalings. They seem pretty fine besides for Crysis.
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post Nov 17 2007, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Nov 16 2007, 12:09 PM)
256-bit is 256-bit. You can't bypass that unless you get GDDR4, or you do multi-GPU.
The GT doesn't have any problems with resolution scalings. They seem pretty fine besides for Crysis.
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I know the bug specifically affects Crysis, but generally memory management bugs like that are generic, so it probably affects more than one game. Even previous generation cards that used gddr3 on 256bits don't show such irregularity, unless it's a bug. How does multi-GPU help? You are not changing any bottlenecks, even with perfect 100% scaling.
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notice those card just using a single 8-pin power supply...

its not that power hungry after all
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evryone would love to get good graphics, but good graphics come at a high price. 2 graphic cars are a nono for me, unless i have the money.

some of the current cards also needs to be on par with newer technology, and thus, if we using old stuff, hv to change to new 1 also.
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jaw dropping...

but but but... we need a super PSU..
perhaps 1000W?? hehe...


3850 OC is a good card..
hope the drivers will be great. smile.gif

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dual gpu gc hav dual performance of 1gpu gc?
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QUOTE(xiong91 @ Nov 17 2007, 05:17 PM)
dual gpu gc hav dual performance of 1gpu gc?
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i think so, just like intel dual-core compare with P4
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QUOTE(xiong91 @ Nov 17 2007, 05:17 PM)
dual gpu gc hav dual performance of 1gpu gc?
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Google Crossfire and SLI technologies then you can understand better

 

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