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 Ex-Minister urges for khalwat to be decriminalised, “It’s between them & God”

Do you think this will be abolished?
 
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post Dec 1 2025, 01:03 PM, updated 4w ago

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The Religious Departments in many Malaysian states have been ramping up their khalwat raids, mostly in budget hotels or private houses, following the tip-offs from the public. According to Zaid, most of the raids on khalwat cases are carried out in cheap hotels, in cars, or in public places, which are locations that are easily accessible to the poor.

Meanwhile, he said, Malays in positions such as Members of Parliament (MPs) or Ministers are rarely charged with the offence of khalwat because they can afford to rent private apartments, luxury hotels, or make more private ‘rules’.

“This makes khalwat a ‘poor man’s offence’, not because the rich don’t do it but because they don’t get caught.”

“When enforcement is fundamentally selective, it fails to meet the principle of equality before the law under Article 8 of the Federal Constitution.”


Zaid also referred to a report regarding a couple who had to go to jail for failing to pay bail of RM1,500 each as set by the Kuantan Syariah Lower Court in Pahang, recently, following charges of khalwat against them. According to Zaid, bail of RM1,500 may not be a problem for middle or upper-class families.

Zaid pointed out that it is appropriate that the offence of khalwat be decriminalised since khalwat is a personal moral issue between the individual and God, not something that should lead someone to prison.

Should this happen, the country can focus on real problems such as domestic violence, sexual abuse, and exploitation rather than controlling personal behaviour that is done voluntarily.

He explained that if khalwat laws are to encourage good morals, it can be done through education, family counselling, and community involvement, not through punishment.

“In Islam itself, the act of tajassus (spying) is prohibited, but raids on private areas often rely on intrusive spying.”
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post Dec 1 2025, 01:05 PM

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non muslim can enjoy khalwat so it is unfair lo
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that means either they plan to do it or already doing it laugh.gif
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Cannot like that la. How to justify the berbillion billion ringgit bajet later if don't do skuad skodeng/terjah anymore?
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post Dec 1 2025, 01:07 PM

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not in uncle field of expertise better no comment
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mana boleh ? jakim ambil berbillion billion setiap tahun tak kan duduk opis goyang telur

mesti keluar buat checking dan buat research ma brows.gif
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ktards liberal Meleis logic be like:

"Yes, but no. But yes. Oh no, my brainnnnghhhh"
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QUOTE(epsilon_chinwk86 @ Dec 1 2025, 01:06 PM)
Cannot like that la. How to justify the berbillion billion ringgit bajet later if don't do skuad skodeng/terjah anymore?
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redirect the money to Halal certification la.....

go raid hotel for what?
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post Dec 1 2025, 01:30 PM

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khalwat is a personal moral issue between the individual and God - ramadhan fasting time is not between the believer and god? why many moral police in ramadhan
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how come dont see them go knock door on those KL spa gay raid ?


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if everything between them and god. then need JAKIM, Religious Affairs Department, State concil relating to religion for what??
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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Dec 1 2025, 01:21 PM)
redirect the money to Halal certification la.....

go raid hotel for what?
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what they eat is between them and god.
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The dept get berbillion billion, have to do something to show lor... If wanna stop this, have to cut their budget lor
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post Dec 1 2025, 01:39 PM

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He always post in English only when it comes to issues affecting M. Dare not write in bm so that majority can see it?

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QUOTE(brkli @ Dec 1 2025, 01:32 PM)
what they eat is between them and god.
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what i eat is between Selena and her thighs...

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QUOTE(epsilon_chinwk86 @ Dec 1 2025, 01:06 PM)
Cannot like that la. How to justify the berbillion billion ringgit bajet later if don't do skuad skodeng/terjah anymore?
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Can focus more on the needy


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post Dec 1 2025, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Dec 1 2025, 01:39 PM)
He always post in English only when it comes to issues affecting M. Dare not write in bm so that majority can see it?
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because T5 Malays are bad in BM


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How can? JAKIM wanna see free show mah.

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QUOTE(david5343 @ Dec 1 2025, 01:03 PM)
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The Religious Departments in many Malaysian states have been ramping up their khalwat raids, mostly in budget hotels or private houses, following the tip-offs from the public. According to Zaid, most of the raids on khalwat cases are carried out in cheap hotels, in cars, or in public places, which are locations that are easily accessible to the poor.

Meanwhile, he said, Malays in positions such as Members of Parliament (MPs) or Ministers are rarely charged with the offence of khalwat because they can afford to rent private apartments, luxury hotels, or make more private ‘rules’.

“This makes khalwat a ‘poor man’s offence’, not because the rich don’t do it but because they don’t get caught.”

“When enforcement is fundamentally selective, it fails to meet the principle of equality before the law under Article 8 of the Federal Constitution.”


Zaid also referred to a report regarding a couple who had to go to jail for failing to pay bail of RM1,500 each as set by the Kuantan Syariah Lower Court in Pahang, recently, following charges of khalwat against them. According to Zaid, bail of RM1,500 may not be a problem for middle or upper-class families.

Zaid pointed out that it is appropriate that the offence of khalwat be decriminalised since khalwat is a personal moral issue between the individual and God, not something that should lead someone to prison.

Should this happen, the country can focus on real problems such as domestic violence, sexual abuse, and exploitation rather than controlling personal behaviour that is done voluntarily.

He explained that if khalwat laws are to encourage good morals, it can be done through education, family counselling, and community involvement, not through punishment.

“In Islam itself, the act of tajassus (spying) is prohibited, but raids on private areas often rely on intrusive spying.”
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khalwat raids will get discontinued at some point because as Zaid pointed out, it is against islamic teachings. only a matter of time.
Islam doesnt allow people to look for other people's sins.
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refer to recent jedi light saber fighting raid?
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2025, 02:55 PM)
refer to recent jedi light saber fighting raid?
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Should be

If just a duel l'm like live and let live la. But pandai2 dont get outed

if orgy then we come to a slippery slope. If we act on straight orgy parties, swinger meet ups but give LGBTs a pass then how? All pass or all also equal in the eyes of the law
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First many non muslim Ktards here only think Khalwat is confined to curi makan but it also applied to non married couples holding hands, doing usual dating things (less sex). I got to know this when my Muslim friend got nikad and learnt that before the ceremony it is better to be apart when families were around even though they were cohabiting the house they bought together. Sensitive matter to Muslim family.
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QUOTE(sankai80 @ Dec 1 2025, 03:01 PM)
First many non muslim Ktards here only think Khalwat is confined to curi makan but it also applied to non married couples holding hands, doing usual dating things (less sex). I got to know this when my Muslim friend got nikad and learnt that before the ceremony it is better to be apart when families were around even though they were cohabiting the house they bought together. Sensitive matter to Muslim family.
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cohabiting in a house together is already count as khalwat
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post Dec 1 2025, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Dec 1 2025, 02:47 PM)
khalwat raids will get discontinued at some point because as Zaid pointed out, it is against islamic teachings. only a matter of time.
Islam doesnt allow people to look for other people's sins.
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Hmmm. Not sure. Reading the comments from M, almost all universally say “ bagus! Ikut ajaran benar! “… it seems majority of b40 wants it that way.


…along with obligatory “ kenapa nons sibuk?” —— because these kind of posts are in English when the target audience (b40 M) mostly consume BM media?? Zaid should stop posting in English when he writes about Malay Muslim issues unless it’s his intent to generate attention without actually addressing the people affected

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But why ?
Only when they are raided, rounded up and humiliated, then they will see the beauty of it.
I for one am happy for them. It is as they wished for.
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QUOTE(david5343 @ Dec 1 2025, 01:03 PM)
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The Religious Departments in many Malaysian states have been ramping up their khalwat raids, mostly in budget hotels or private houses, following the tip-offs from the public. According to Zaid, most of the raids on khalwat cases are carried out in cheap hotels, in cars, or in public places, which are locations that are easily accessible to the poor.

Meanwhile, he said, Malays in positions such as Members of Parliament (MPs) or Ministers are rarely charged with the offence of khalwat because they can afford to rent private apartments, luxury hotels, or make more private ‘rules’.

“This makes khalwat a ‘poor man’s offence’, not because the rich don’t do it but because they don’t get caught.”

“When enforcement is fundamentally selective, it fails to meet the principle of equality before the law under Article 8 of the Federal Constitution.”


Zaid also referred to a report regarding a couple who had to go to jail for failing to pay bail of RM1,500 each as set by the Kuantan Syariah Lower Court in Pahang, recently, following charges of khalwat against them. According to Zaid, bail of RM1,500 may not be a problem for middle or upper-class families.

Zaid pointed out that it is appropriate that the offence of khalwat be decriminalised since khalwat is a personal moral issue between the individual and God, not something that should lead someone to prison.

Should this happen, the country can focus on real problems such as domestic violence, sexual abuse, and exploitation rather than controlling personal behaviour that is done voluntarily.

He explained that if khalwat laws are to encourage good morals, it can be done through education, family counselling, and community involvement, not through punishment.

“In Islam itself, the act of tajassus (spying) is prohibited, but raids on private areas often rely on intrusive spying.”
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Lagi banyak laaaa B40 yang jadi Gay
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post Dec 1 2025, 03:27 PM

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non jgn kecoh la
it is between them and jakim and god

as a non just eat popcorn and watch news someone caught khalwat
don't be busy body like them
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Yes abolish la. All the money for this useless exercise better spent on others like building schools or hospitals.
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Dec 1 2025, 02:59 PM)
Should be

If just a duel l'm like live and let live la. But pandai2 dont get outed

if orgy then we come to a slippery slope. If we act on straight orgy parties, swinger meet ups but give LGBTs a pass then how? All pass or all also equal in the eyes of the law
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Post unrelated, the guy posted this before the gay raid and I think khalwat is meant for male+female
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dis is actually the korek way. Its called bidaah.
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Honestly as long as the religion have kasta I couldn't care less. It's not the true teachings.

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"Between them and god" is the most feared statement by JAKIM, JAIS, Pejabat Agama, ustaz, PuAS, and every single Muslims in power.

The moment this statement is normalize they essentially lose all power, control and easy way to enrich themselves.

So you can expect every single one will come down on this harc and kill it forever.

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"Fundamentally selective"

First time bruhhh. Huehuehueee
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QUOTE(sankai80 @ Dec 1 2025, 03:01 PM)
First many non muslim Ktards here only think Khalwat is confined to curi makan but it also applied to non married couples holding hands, doing usual dating things (less sex). I got to know this when my Muslim friend got nikad and learnt that before the ceremony it is better to be apart when families were around even though they were cohabiting the house they bought together. Sensitive matter to Muslim family.
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Technically sensitive matter to the other cultures too, but don hav a regulating body to advise them.
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Dec 1 2025, 03:55 PM)
refer to recent jedi light saber fighting raid?
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Khalwat refers to (unwed) male & female being in 'risky' situation/proximity that may lead to seggs.

I dunno jedi councils will be called khalwat also or not. sweat.gif
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Ini orang kuat minum arak, that is why everything will be betweem them and god, so he can continue doing what he wants. And this is not the first time he brought something like this.

He totally disregard the teaching of all abrahamic faiths (not just islam), and eastern religions too. ask your sami and monk about it. See what they will say.

Even atheist has come up with social order, moral commitment and how widespread immoral acts erode the foundations of society and family.

If you don't want to follow your religion believe, at least listen to those communist atheist. They know all the good rules for utopia.

This is what will happen if you drink booze and take drugs. You will have damaged brain.
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QUOTE(badai @ Dec 1 2025, 06:49 PM)
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once again missing the whole point. Even communist atheist country much less all those other Abrahamic faith countries don’t have moral police go skodeng people bedroom.

This is why nons “menyibuk” , because ppl like you like to rope in other ppl’s religions to justify your own zealotry, regardless if you misrepresent them.

This is what happens when you are indoctrinated from the time before you can even read. You will have warped views of the rest of the world.

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Stop the khalwat officers . They waste taxpayers money and prevent the genetically horny from using contraceptive that prevent unwanted birth and waste tax payer money
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Dec 1 2025, 07:35 PM)
Stop the khalwat officers . They waste taxpayers money and prevent the genetically horny from using contraceptive that prevent unwanted birth and waste tax payer money
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then how to justify 2.6b budget for next year? tak kan u want to cut their budget? u berani ke?
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QUOTE(Fantasia @ Dec 1 2025, 07:38 PM)
then how to justify 2.6b budget for next year? tak kan u want to cut their budget? u berani ke?
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These officers 2.6B budget better channel for hospitals and schools la. We dont need people patroling other peoples seggs life. Im sure some of these officers also got secret horny mind.
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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Dec 2 2025, 08:13 AM)
These officers 2.6B budget better channel for hospitals and schools la. We dont need people patroling other peoples seggs life. Im sure some of these officers also got secret horny mind.
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If only the voters r rational... laugh.gif
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then how to justify 2.6b budget for next year? tak kan u want to cut their budget? u berani ke?
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2.6 billion? Hmm sounds familiar.... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Dec 1 2025, 03:13 PM)
Hmmm. Not sure. Reading the comments from M, almost all universally say “ bagus! Ikut ajaran benar! “… it seems majority of b40 wants it that way.
…along with obligatory “ kenapa nons sibuk?” —— because these kind of posts are in English when the target audience (b40 M) mostly consume BM media?? Zaid should stop posting in English when he writes about Malay Muslim issues unless it’s his intent to generate attention without actually addressing the people affected
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the majority of muslims in malaysia have no clue what Islam actually teaches. they just blindly follow melei/indian tradition. a lot of what meleis follow is influenced by indian tariqat (missionaries) which are based on indian cultural interpretation of Islam. so they tend to have the wrong priorities. they prioritize things that are actually not that important in Islam. for example, the prophet emphasized akhlak (character) and iman (belief) but the tariqats tend to focus on spiritual purity - even at the expense of physical cleanliness sometimes. its just the wrong way to interpret Islamic teachings. although not entirely sesat, the community suffers an illness because we have the wrong priorities.
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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Dec 2 2025, 10:28 AM)
the majority of muslims in malaysia have no clue what Islam actually teaches. they just blindly follow melei/indian tradition. a lot of what meleis follow is influenced by indian tariqat (missionaries) which are based on indian cultural interpretation of Islam. so they tend to have the wrong priorities. they prioritize things that are actually not that important in Islam. for example, the prophet emphasized akhlak (character) and iman (belief) but the tariqats tend to focus on spiritual purity - even at the expense of physical cleanliness sometimes. its just the wrong way to interpret Islamic teachings. although not entirely sesat, the community suffers an illness because we have the wrong priorities.
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thank you for saying this and articulate what I'm always trying to say thumbsup.gif
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unmarried couples in close door Cannot.
a group of guys doing sword fight at spa Ok, coz no rules agaist it....


this logic.
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budget not enough for anti khalwat measures minister say?
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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Dec 2 2025, 10:36 AM)
unmarried couples in close door Cannot.
a group of guys doing sword fight at spa Ok, coz no rules agaist it....
this logic.
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Cmon la they literally arrest almost everyone who go there.

Imagine you go to a male spa, then suddenly you get arrested for days just cause there’s suspected gay activity taking place there?

You call that justice ka?

 

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