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China 14nm > 4nm
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Nov 29 2025, 04:49 PM, updated 4w ago
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Nov 29 2025, 04:50 PM
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Finally we can get cheaper and more powerful chip.
No need those overpriced 4nm 3nm shit |
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Nov 29 2025, 04:50 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM
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#DoneClaim
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Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM
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Claim, jgn tak claim!
After Professor Sor Hai Lah, semua orang boleh claim! |
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Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 04:52 PM
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Please make it cheaper, gamers are suffering...owai
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Nov 29 2025, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Nov 29 2025, 04:50 PM) QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM) QUOTE(DarkNite @ Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM) if you know semiconductor science, it is possible. it is called near memory compute. reduce latency and power through 3D stacking advanced packaging. |
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Nov 29 2025, 04:53 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 04:54 PM
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Win already
Taiwan will be obsolete DAge no need Taiwan already So Taiwan safe kan? Pooh pooh Xi don't give excuses say need reunified Taiwan ok |
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Nov 29 2025, 04:54 PM
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Again, take it as a grain of salt.
Claim, Jangan x claim. This post has been edited by ozak: Nov 29 2025, 04:54 PM |
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Nov 29 2025, 04:56 PM
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very original... like how intel used to claim... 14+++++++++++++
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Nov 29 2025, 05:01 PM
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Claim only.
If apple wont use means its trash anyway |
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Nov 29 2025, 05:06 PM
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you all must remember, all these 14nm technology was developed pre AI era. When you use AI to optimize all these old technology, only AI knows how much efficiency gains you can get.
just like how come where winds meet can run so smoothly on my 5 year old lenovo laptop with gtx1650 because netease used AI to optimized the game engine. This post has been edited by Penamer: Nov 29 2025, 05:13 PM |
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Nov 29 2025, 05:09 PM
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i'd like to see benchmarks first
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Nov 29 2025, 05:10 PM
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just yet another deepseek moment from scientific powerhouse with more to come
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Nov 29 2025, 05:14 PM
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All OUT NVDA on monday... 🫣
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Nov 29 2025, 05:20 PM
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did you all change the processor internal thermal paste?
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Nov 29 2025, 05:26 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 05:29 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 29 2025, 05:29 PM) in case you didn't know many mi products were initially for local CCP use only but it's available for purchase in lazada/shopee. when demand got big only mi releases global version. |
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Nov 29 2025, 05:36 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 05:43 PM
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still using AMDK's EDA system and photoresists from Japan
if CCP can't access to both of these .. toycar IC also can't make |
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Nov 29 2025, 05:44 PM
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Technically can, however won't be cost effective as they are layering up.
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Nov 29 2025, 05:56 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 06:07 PM
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Is the card the size of a cabinet?
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Both are not auspicious number. gg. novblaze liked this post
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Nov 29 2025, 06:26 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 07:39 PM
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Until it's on the shelve n proven ... Dengar je la. abc2005 liked this post
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Nov 29 2025, 07:41 PM
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Cross finger and eat popcorn 1st.
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Nov 29 2025, 07:45 PM
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Chips are made my human, not god. Sooner or later, probably sooner, China will catch up with West.
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Nov 29 2025, 07:45 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 29 2025, 01:23 PM) Ccp don't have the uv machine technology. West has built ICE cars for century. China EV will replace them.China only finally able to make boll point pen in 2017. Their tech still long way to go Same with chips, they may come out with new things to make those machines unnecessary |
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Nov 29 2025, 08:31 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 08:35 PM
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Sooner or later, will hit a limit due to quantum tunneling. Need to unfold dimensions to fit more transistors
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Nov 29 2025, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 29 2025, 01:31 PM) Tesla was deliberately allowed to come into China to force China EV makers to improve.Likewise, USA is forcing China to improve their chips. Same thing. |
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Nov 29 2025, 08:43 PM
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So it means the west keep introducing 8nm 4nm 2nm , smaller and smaller but all the while didn't really maximise their efficiency and capacity.
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Nov 29 2025, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Nov 29 2025, 08:43 PM) So it means the west keep introducing 8nm 4nm 2nm , smaller and smaller but all the while didn't really maximise their efficiency and capacity. They did . The term is call performance per watt with each lithography upgrade. You look at how many FP32 TFLOPs can Nvidia GPU can put out for roughly the same power budget. 4090 > 5090 did get a significant performance upgrade but at a huge cost of power consumption. Because it is all based on TSMC 5nm tech. 3080 to 4080 gets significant upgrade without a significant increase in power consumption is because of going from Samsung 8nm to TSMC 5nm process node. |
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Nov 29 2025, 09:46 PM
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Nov 29 2025, 10:03 PM
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BYDs od chips coming to shake the old dogs ?
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Nov 30 2025, 08:02 AM
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lol.
my less dense object can sink faster than the densest stone. dengar bole. percaya jangon |
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Nov 30 2025, 08:17 AM
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you can laugh right now.
when China wanna do something, they will succeed. because they are not worried about the voters to vote them out of power, thus can plan long term. it is just a matter of time. HSR and space station are the prime examples. |
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Nov 30 2025, 08:39 AM
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Puak selalu claim
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Nov 30 2025, 08:50 AM
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QUOTE(Penamer @ Nov 29 2025, 06:06 PM) you all must remember, all these 14nm technology was developed pre AI era. When you use AI to optimize all these old technology, only AI knows how much efficiency gains you can get. You also play.just like how come where winds meet can run so smoothly on my 5 year old lenovo laptop with gtx1650 because netease used AI to optimized the game engine. Penamer liked this post
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Nov 30 2025, 09:01 AM
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Ultimately, this comes down to differences between Chinese and Western testing standards. BYD frequently highlights NEDC or CLTC range figures, which certain channels then misuse for misleading comparisons. EPA ratings, however, give a far more realistic measure of actual driving range.
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Nov 30 2025, 09:42 AM
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Using their own ccp software benchmark sure can win
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Nov 30 2025, 09:55 AM
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it is alot harder to go from 4nm to 3nm, compare from 14nm to 4nm....china will catch up in next few eayrs...
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Nov 30 2025, 10:04 AM
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Power consumption must be dhit if they can get 14nm to perform like 4nm
But... It is only a matter of time, in a decade at most China will grow larger |
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Nov 30 2025, 12:07 PM
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Yes everything they make is fake so don’t need to be afraid of them at all because they gonna collapse real soon. See how the US is not even trying to do anything to contain them.
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don't challenge Moore's
don't challenge transistors in nm. QUOTE A "1.4 nm chip" refers to a next-generation semiconductor chip using a 1.4-nanometer manufacturing process node, which is a significant advancement over current technology. Companies like TSMC, Samsung, and Japan's Rapidus are competing to develop and produce these chips, which are expected to power future high-tech devices like AI-powered smartphones, autonomous vehicles, and data centers. Mass production for these chips is anticipated to begin around 2028. Manufacturing process: The "nm" in 1.4 nm stands for nanometers and refers to the size of the transistors on the chip, with smaller numbers indicating more advanced, more energy-efficient, and more powerful chips. Expected performance: The 1.4 nm process is projected to offer significant efficiency gains, such as up to 30% lower power consumption at similar speeds to previous nodes, or higher performance at the same power. Key players: TSMC: Is building a new, highly advanced fabrication plant in Taiwan, with mass production of its 1.4 nm "A14" process targeted for the second half of 2028. Samsung: Plans to begin mass production of 1.4 nm chips in 2027. Rapidus: A Japanese chipmaker, is planning a second factory to produce 1.4 nm chips, with production potentially starting in 2029. Target applications: These chips will be used in high-performance applications like high-performance computing (HPC), artificial intelligence (AI) acceleration, and advanced consumer electronics. This post has been edited by h@ksam: Nov 30 2025, 12:56 PM |
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China will grow larger
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Nov 30 2025, 01:12 PM
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china can mass produce euv machine next year. finetuning the process will take a few more months. china can mass produce 3nm chips in year 2027.
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Nov 30 2025, 01:32 PM
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Need benchmarks to support it
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Nov 29 2025, 05:43 PM) still using AMDK's EDA system and photoresists from Japan i highly suspect CCP want their own semicon industry to make their own photoresist (and other tech dependencies), that why I believe the China-Japan row is going to go full retart.if CCP can't access to both of these .. toycar IC also can't make |
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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Nov 29 2025, 08:43 PM) So it means the west keep introducing 8nm 4nm 2nm , smaller and smaller but all the while didn't really maximise their efficiency and capacity. i believe the strategy is to gate keep other ppl from overtaking them. when the 8nm other ppl can make better efficiency,t hen they go to 5nm, to 3nm 2nm, all the while using the EUV to gate keep top tier chips for their own companies to maintain USD hedgemoney. |
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 30 2025, 01:57 PM) But but but Snapdragon 8 gen 1-3= 4nmThey keep saying will more efficient. But year year 8gen still got overheat issue. Until now smart phone from having fan last year to got liquid cooling this year already Snapdragon 8 gen 4-5 = 3nm The Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 significantly outperforms the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 in benchmarks, with a multi-core Geekbench 6 score that is 46% higher and a total AnTuTu score that is also considerably higher Gen 4 has higher temps for the push on speed, but not 46% higher temp than gen 3. |
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