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post Nov 29 2025, 04:49 PM, updated 4w ago

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post Nov 29 2025, 04:50 PM

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Finally we can get cheaper and more powerful chip.

No need those overpriced 4nm 3nm shit
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 29 2025, 04:50 PM)
Finally we can get cheaper and more powerful chip.

No need those overpriced 4nm 3nm shit
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it is not for international market.
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post Nov 29 2025, 04:52 PM

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Please make it cheaper, gamers are suffering...owai
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Nov 29 2025, 04:50 PM)
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM)
#DoneClaim
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM)
Claim, jgn tak claim!
After Professor Sor Hai Lah, semua orang boleh claim!
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if you know semiconductor science, it is possible. it is called near memory compute. reduce latency and power through 3D stacking advanced packaging.
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post Nov 29 2025, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 29 2025, 04:53 PM)
if you know semiconductor science, it is possible. it is called near memory compute. reduce latency and power through 3D stacking advanced packaging.
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Like what Intel did?
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post Nov 29 2025, 04:54 PM

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Win already

Taiwan will be obsolete

DAge no need Taiwan already

So Taiwan safe kan?

Pooh pooh Xi don't give excuses say need reunified Taiwan ok
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post Nov 29 2025, 04:54 PM

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Again, take it as a grain of salt.

Claim, Jangan x claim.

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post Nov 29 2025, 04:56 PM

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very original... like how intel used to claim... 14+++++++++++++

lol
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post Nov 29 2025, 05:01 PM

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Claim only.
If apple wont use means its trash anyway
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post Nov 29 2025, 05:06 PM

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you all must remember, all these 14nm technology was developed pre AI era. When you use AI to optimize all these old technology, only AI knows how much efficiency gains you can get.

just like how come where winds meet can run so smoothly on my 5 year old lenovo laptop with gtx1650 because netease used AI to optimized the game engine.



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post Nov 29 2025, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(lawliet88 @ Nov 29 2025, 05:01 PM)
Claim only.
If apple wont use means its trash anyway
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it is only for China domestic consumption. nothing to do with Apple. Apple will continue to use Intel, Samsung, TSMC.

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post Nov 29 2025, 05:09 PM

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i'd like to see benchmarks first
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just yet another deepseek moment from scientific powerhouse with more to come
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post Nov 29 2025, 05:14 PM

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did you all change the processor internal thermal paste?
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM)
it is not for international market.
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money speaks louder

there's something called smuggling
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post Nov 29 2025, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Nov 29 2025, 05:26 PM)
money speaks louder

there's something called smuggling
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who wants to smuggle China tech out of China lolz
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 29 2025, 05:29 PM)
who wants to smuggle China tech out of China lolz
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in case you didn't know many mi products were initially for local CCP use only but it's available for purchase in lazada/shopee. when demand got big only mi releases global version.
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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ Nov 29 2025, 05:32 PM)
in case you didn't know many mi products were initially for local CCP use only but it's available for purchase in lazada/shopee. when demand got big only mi releases global version.
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Coz it was cheap back then .. now mahal like hell and full with bloatwares
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post Nov 29 2025, 05:43 PM

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still using AMDK's EDA system and photoresists from Japan

if CCP can't access to both of these ..

toycar IC also can't make
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post Nov 29 2025, 05:44 PM

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Technically can, however won't be cost effective as they are layering up.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 29 2025, 05:29 PM)
who wants to smuggle China tech out of China lolz
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If not of 5g , android and bank issue

I think malaysia market will be flooded by ccp smartphone
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 29 2025, 04:51 PM)
it is not for international market.
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Only for ccp Chinese in motherland. Strictly for Huawei & Xiaomi only. Overheat and hang in handphone after use for few minutes.
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Is the card the size of a cabinet?
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Both are not auspicious number. gg.

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QUOTE(vhs @ Nov 29 2025, 06:20 PM)
Both are not auspicious number. gg.
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post Nov 29 2025, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 29 2025, 04:50 PM)
Finally we can get cheaper and more powerful chip.

No need those overpriced 4nm 3nm shit
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for one I think competition is good. but until it is out for the market then only say la. China a lot of claim la...claim the claim that...
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post Nov 29 2025, 07:39 PM

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Until it's on the shelve n proven ... Dengar je la.
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post Nov 29 2025, 07:45 PM

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Chips are made my human, not god. Sooner or later, probably sooner, China will catch up with West.



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post Nov 29 2025, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 29 2025, 04:53 PM)
if you know semiconductor science, it is possible. it is called near memory compute. reduce latency and power through 3D stacking advanced packaging.
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So it's gonna be a huge ass package
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post Nov 29 2025, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Nov 29 2025, 07:45 PM)
Chips are made my human, not god. Sooner or later, probably sooner, China will catch up with West.
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Ccp don't have the uv machine technology.

China only finally able to make boll point pen in 2017.

Their tech still long way to go
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post Nov 29 2025, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 29 2025, 01:23 PM)
Ccp don't have the uv machine technology.

China only finally able to make boll point pen in 2017.

Their tech still long way to go
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West has built ICE cars for century. China EV will replace them.

Same with chips, they may come out with new things to make those machines unnecessary

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QUOTE(touristking @ Nov 29 2025, 08:28 PM)
West has built ICE cars for century. China EV will replace them.

Same with chips, they may come out with new things to make those machines unnecessary
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EV tesla elon musk that leads China. If not China ev still nothing.


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post Nov 29 2025, 08:35 PM

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Sooner or later, will hit a limit due to quantum tunneling. Need to unfold dimensions to fit more transistors laugh.gif


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post Nov 29 2025, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 29 2025, 01:31 PM)
EV tesla elon musk that leads China. If not China ev still nothing.
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Tesla was deliberately allowed to come into China to force China EV makers to improve.

Likewise, USA is forcing China to improve their chips.

Same thing.



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post Nov 29 2025, 08:43 PM

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So it means the west keep introducing 8nm 4nm 2nm , smaller and smaller but all the while didn't really maximise their efficiency and capacity.
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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Nov 29 2025, 08:43 PM)
So it means the west keep introducing 8nm 4nm 2nm , smaller and smaller but all the while didn't really maximise their efficiency and capacity.
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They did .
The term is call performance per watt with each lithography upgrade.
You look at how many FP32 TFLOPs can Nvidia GPU can put out for roughly the same power budget.
4090 > 5090 did get a significant performance upgrade but at a huge cost of power consumption. Because it is all based on TSMC 5nm tech.

3080 to 4080 gets significant upgrade without a significant increase in power consumption is because of going from Samsung 8nm to TSMC 5nm process node.
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QUOTE(touristking @ Nov 29 2025, 08:38 PM)
Tesla was deliberately allowed to come into China to force China EV makers to improve.

Likewise, USA is forcing China to improve their chips.

Same thing.
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But there's no Tesla for chips goes to china
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BYDs od chips coming to shake the old dogs ?
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 29 2025, 04:53 PM)
if you know semiconductor science, it is possible. it is called near memory compute. reduce latency and power through 3D stacking advanced packaging.
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Those advanced packaging machines are still relatively restricted by us to be sold to Chinese companies
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lol.

my less dense object can sink faster than the densest stone.

dengar bole. percaya jangon
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Nov 30 2025, 08:02 AM)
lol.

my less dense object can sink faster than the densest stone.

dengar bole. percaya jangon
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Wat if the more dense object shaped like a parachute. And the less dense one shaped like an arrow. It's will be a close one
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you can laugh right now.
when China wanna do something, they will succeed. because they are not worried about the voters to vote them out of power, thus can plan long term.

it is just a matter of time.

HSR and space station are the prime examples.
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QUOTE(Penamer @ Nov 29 2025, 06:06 PM)
you all must remember, all these 14nm technology was developed pre AI era. When you use AI to optimize all these old technology, only AI knows how much efficiency gains you can get.

just like how come where winds meet can run so smoothly on my 5 year old lenovo laptop with gtx1650 because netease used AI to optimized the game engine.


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Ultimately, this comes down to differences between Chinese and Western testing standards. BYD frequently highlights NEDC or CLTC range figures, which certain channels then misuse for misleading comparisons. EPA ratings, however, give a far more realistic measure of actual driving range.
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Using their own ccp software benchmark sure can win
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it is alot harder to go from 4nm to 3nm, compare from 14nm to 4nm....china will catch up in next few eayrs...
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Power consumption must be dhit if they can get 14nm to perform like 4nm

But...

It is only a matter of time, in a decade at most

China will grow larger
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Yes everything they make is fake so don’t need to be afraid of them at all because they gonna collapse real soon. See how the US is not even trying to do anything to contain them.
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don't challenge Moore's

don't challenge transistors in nm.

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A "1.4 nm chip" refers to a next-generation semiconductor chip using a 1.4-nanometer manufacturing process node, which is a significant advancement over current technology. Companies like TSMC, Samsung, and Japan's Rapidus are competing to develop and produce these chips, which are expected to power future high-tech devices like AI-powered smartphones, autonomous vehicles, and data centers. Mass production for these chips is anticipated to begin around 2028.      

Manufacturing process: The "nm" in 1.4 nm stands for nanometers and refers to the size of the transistors on the chip, with smaller numbers indicating more advanced, more energy-efficient, and more powerful chips.    

Expected performance: The 1.4 nm process is projected to offer significant efficiency gains, such as up to 30% lower power consumption at similar speeds to previous nodes, or higher performance at the same power.    

Key players:        
TSMC: Is building a new, highly advanced fabrication plant in Taiwan, with mass production of its 1.4 nm "A14" process targeted for the second half of 2028.        
Samsung: Plans to begin mass production of 1.4 nm chips in 2027.        
Rapidus: A Japanese chipmaker, is planning a second factory to produce 1.4 nm chips, with production potentially starting in 2029.
    
Target applications: These chips will be used in high-performance applications like high-performance computing (HPC), artificial intelligence (AI) acceleration, and advanced consumer electronics.


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China will grow larger
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QUOTE(rtk73 @ Nov 30 2025, 07:05 AM)
Those advanced packaging machines are still relatively restricted by us to be sold to Chinese companies
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china building themselves domestically. no need the so advanced euv machines.
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china can mass produce euv machine next year. finetuning the process will take a few more months. china can mass produce 3nm chips in year 2027.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 30 2025, 01:01 PM)
china building themselves domestically. no need the so advanced euv machines.
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Not even euv, I'm talking about etching, clean and deposition tools

Including 3D packaging tools Ofcos
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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Nov 30 2025, 12:52 PM)
don't challenge Moore's

don't challenge transistors in nm.
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But but but

They keep saying will more efficient.

But year year 8gen still got overheat issue.

Until now smart phone from having fan last year to got liquid cooling this year already
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Need benchmarks to support it
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Nov 29 2025, 05:43 PM)
still using AMDK's EDA system and photoresists from Japan

if CCP can't access to both of these ..

toycar IC also can't make
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i highly suspect CCP want their own semicon industry to make their own photoresist (and other tech dependencies), that why I believe the China-Japan row is going to go full retart.
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QUOTE(Pain4UrsinZ @ Nov 29 2025, 08:43 PM)
So it means the west keep introducing 8nm 4nm 2nm , smaller and smaller but all the while didn't really maximise their efficiency and capacity.
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i believe the strategy is to gate keep other ppl from overtaking them. when the 8nm other ppl can make better efficiency,t hen they go to 5nm, to 3nm 2nm, all the while using the EUV to gate keep top tier chips for their own companies to maintain USD hedgemoney.
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 30 2025, 01:57 PM)
But but but

They keep saying will more efficient.

But year year 8gen still got overheat issue.

Until now smart phone from having fan last year to got liquid cooling this year  already
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Snapdragon 8 gen 1-3= 4nm

Snapdragon 8 gen 4-5 = 3nm

The Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 significantly outperforms the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 in benchmarks, with a multi-core Geekbench 6 score that is 46% higher and a total AnTuTu score that is also considerably higher

Gen 4 has higher temps for the push on speed, but not 46% higher temp than gen 3.
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QUOTE(mrhulk @ Nov 30 2025, 09:55 AM)
it is alot harder to go from 4nm to 3nm, compare from 14nm to 4nm....china will catch up in next few eayrs...
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with today's opensource math olympiad level AIs and vibe codings it will be much easier, with next years AGIs, it will be a piece of cake.



 

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