Just stop the war, good for Europe n the world

Orange man just wanna get Nobel Peace Prize by brokering a one sided deal at the expense of Ukraine. Imagine if this can be template for all future invasion by superpower bullying weaker neighbor.

They gonna shift the war to East Asia (Japan and Taiwan), Europe already broke, no more money to suck, have to move the war to Asia

ggwp

you are obviously dont read much about politics, and this has always been how the world works. even if you are a sovereign country doesnt mean you can do what you want.

this is already the best deal ukraine can get, the more they continue the war, you are looking at much higher rate of death even among the citizen, as ukraine is facing shortage of electricity entering the winter.

ukraine had been losing huge amount of land recently.

if continue, more land will be lost, and more young soldier on ukraine side will die.

is this the end game you hope to see?

ukraine is facing a whole generation of young people lost in the battle field or flee to other country.

the problem with NATO is NATO was never going to allow Ukraine in NATO. Even before the invasion, 4 member state already voted ukraine cant join (US and Germany is among the 4), NATO. No country is allowed to join NATO even if there is 1 member state voted No. But EU and US kept on giving hope to Ukraine that they can join. if the EU or US really wanted ukraine to join NATO, ukraine would have join NATO a long time ago.

Do you know how Ukraine gain independence? and what are the rules applied on Ukraine? what is written on the constitution of Ukraine, so that they can become an independent state?
Russia and US allowed independence, as long as Ukraine give up on its nuclear weapon and Ukraine need to remain neutral. The stance of remain as neutral state is written in the Ukraine constitution.

3 months before the invasion, Russia gave a written warning to Ukraine that Ukraine should remain neutral and scrap their idea joining NATO. Russia also issue a policy agreement with the US , they want to US to declare that NATO will not allow ukraine NATO membership and in return Russia will guarantee peace . Both of them choose to ignore it. US even mentioned that if there were any military act of russia on Ukraine, they will place their troops on Ukraine. But what happen? did US place their troops in Ukraine after the invasion?

Even in January, as Russia was stationing 100k troops along the border of ukraine, Russia gave an ultimatum to Ukraine to scrap the idea of joining NATO and remain neutral. What did Ukraine did? they ignore it, and choose to face any consequences. possible influence by US promise that they will station US troops in Ukraine.

Ukraine had been pumped up heavily by US, as US had been supplying weapons and giving training to Ukraine soldiers. giving them false hope that US troops will come to help in event of invasion, and ukraine can choose to ignore russia warning.

and in the end, which country is the loser in the so called, battle between superpower of western power and Russia? UK PM also mentioned this war is actually a proxy war against the Russia, and they had been preparing ukraine for it for years before the invasion.

EU and US always wanted to use ukraine as a pawn to weaken Russia military. would they want to sacrifice their own country soldier to weaken Russia? of course not, because they have a better candidate for that.

ya time to stir taiwan time after middle-east / europe

Confirming to the world usa is no longer the police of the world.

N I hope next Russia will invade Alaska. Then Trump can apply the same resolution.

Ukraine never even submitted any formal application to join nato until after russia invaded. The original interest to join the west was itself fuelled by russian intervention in ukrainian politics (including an attempted assassination of a presidential candidate) and the tacit support of rebels in 2014 (where suddenly 'civilian rebels' had armoured vehicles).

The pro-russian narrative of what's happening is really convoluted - "eu and us wants eastern europe to be pawns, but they want them to join nato, but then always say no, but....". Even by itself it doesn't make sense - russia invaded ukraine to stop ukraine from joining nato which ukraine wasn't able to join anyway.

The truth is much simpler: russia is a horrible neighbour to have and the only security you have against having a pro-kremlin leadership installed is looking west. The west doesn't want to piss off russia because nato never had any plans to invade russia (again, in spite of russian propaganda on the matter). So they help these eastern european countries as best they can while pretty much maintaining pre-war status quo.

Tldr: if your neighbours hate you, maybe its just you.

This venezuela got nothing near to match with usa. And usa always prefer to fight proxy war.

So china v taiwan + japan is more possible

This post has been edited by Boomwick: Nov 23 2025, 08:41 AM

kek, i bet you if us don't support ukraine, terus they join nato.

if your main weapons supplier no longer wants to supply you weapons, you will look for a new weapons supplier. you won't suddenly start listening to the demands of your weapon supplier.

Taiwan said who? You .....LOL

Geopolitics doesn't work in this way especially it involved super powers.

(A BIG IF) if Korea peninsula unification is POSSIBLE in the future, before it happen, u think CHINA will ALLOW US troops to continue station in Korea?

Inb4, amdk will argue that Korea is sovereign nation, they can DO WHATEVER they want

NATO without US cant win ruszia. Allfather Putin will just laugh

The worst ground of people in this 'event' are those EU politikus and Ukraine elites.

They want the war to continue, but sendiri tak mahu hantar orang sendiri.

Meanwhile, US & UK laughing behind the scene.

WE ALL KNEW Russia can't WIN conventional war directly with NATO. bukan macam sekarang, NATO fund sikit, send some advisors and instructors, tipu orang sendiri jadi mercenary to Ukraine. NATO can't go to war directly with Russia because we knew what will happen

USA is nato lar....

Incorrect,

the war can continue behind the scene.

US want the EU puppets to pay for the weapons.

EU puppets need to send the weapons and provide financial supports to Ukraine to continue the war.

The big winner (short term) is still US.

in the four years of this conflict, we had russian supporters on /k arguing up and down the river that the war was about geopolitics. suddenly, 'geopolitics doesnt work in this way'.

look at it this way: even before the war russia already bordered nato and even have a kalininigrad enclave that's surrounded by nato. literally surrounded by the sea, poland and lithuania. no major issue between both sides for decades, and putin even pulled troops off this very, very vulnerable border to put into ukraine.

'geopolitics'?

Ukraine, please reject the deal. Europe will still support you even if Uncle won't. Russia has not taken Odessa and land-lock you yet. So still can fight.

Haha.. EU fight with wad ? Ada apa?

USA just need stop starlink, stop weapon, pull back patriot, pull out intel.. ukraine straight will become 50% gone

U wanna depend on EU rafale jet? Haha