well.. like Arsene Wenger said in recent interview with him.

"I have only been here since 1996 but between 1966 and 1996 you [England] had 30 years without foreign players and you didn't win any more competitions in that time," said the Arsenal manager. "You have done much better since 1996 in the major tournaments, when sometimes you were unlucky.

"If you are in a better class you improve quicker and you shouldn't put the criteria just down to producing local players. You have to put them up to the level of Thierry Henry and take [the number of quality players coming in from abroad] as a chance to produce better English players."




full article here....

quit blaming Arsenal la weh...

Nobody is blaming Arsenal for it, but their way of going almost foreign isn't right IMO. But they have their reasons for it. Read in another forum about this topic and some guy mention that its a lot more to do with the mentality of the people in England. The ones coaching or in charge of the kids/youth teams(12 and under) are the ones to blame. They emphasis more on physical stuff rather than working on techniques. Anyone doing fancy stuff is shot down. And when clubs like ManUtd(Arsenal and Liverpool too I think) propose that kids should play more in smaller groups, they got shot down too by those at the top. Arrogant they say. Another thing is that retarded 90mins rule. They maybe trying to protect the smaller clubs, but why should they restrict the kids/teenagers from joining the a better club where they had more access to better facilities and coaching. They need to start from the bottom, but it'll never change with those in charge still thinking like before.

Rafa proposed that there shuld be a B-side clubs like wat they do in Spain
like Real Madrid B and stuff

could promote youths
but then again....Spain nv won the WC XD

the prob is with the managers la
all also seem to do stupid stuff wan
its like they hav it on contract tat they must play bigname players/make bad decisions

but again there r too much rivalry between the english players of the top clubs
local loyalty n stuff all dowan to cooperate

wat if McClown played an English side without English players of topside XD
everybody happy

heck.. Dunga proved that u can win cups without big names players... Brazil won the Copa without Kaka.. ronaldinho... Ronaldo...

before Dunga came in, who know the likes of Elano.... Ze Roberto... Maicon... Anderson... and many others...

it's the Manager who picked the players.. Dunga went out of his way and picked players unknown for their names but have the skills to work his system.

now why don't Macca did the same? look into the Championship.. and lower division.. u might unearth a gem there...

This post has been edited by sakaito: Nov 16 2007, 03:21 AM

This will create disharmony in the locker room. What will the reserve team player think if they can't get into 1st team just bcoz some bloke is english. Damn them to hell la

england football..just think bout it...most of their players are from the top 3 teams in the league.all 3 of them hate each other like hell..how are they goin to work as a team?

and about producing youngsters...shaun wright phillips touted as the next best thing in the country..where he is right now?does he always play for chelsea week in and week out?does chelsea get the title with him on the flank every week?take a look at former arsenal youngsters such as bentley and pennant..when they were in arsenal they always moan about lack of first team..are they really good to replace ljungberg and pires at that time?they dont even bother to fight for the first team..i think if they have stayed,they can get more than what they have rite now.

for the moment i really have high hope for england u21..with the likes of walcott,scott sinclair,gabriel agbonlahor and fraizer campbell,there is no doubt that they can achieve something in the near future if they were well develope.

y dont we make a poll about this hot topic??

player from top team hate each other ?
spain and italy player also came from their top 4 teams , but they still can work as a team

This post has been edited by zamarano: Nov 16 2007, 12:49 AM

there are Reserve league , reserve FA cup, youth league, not sure is there any youth FA cup in EPL
dont think u is not enuff?

because they dont really hate each other and they still have the national proud in them...english players?

but sometimes i do have sympathy for english layers though.they have the most tight schedules and fixtures with at least 3 titles to chase..other league only have 3 as the most..in fact at spain d king's cup is like a reserve cup..the first team wont play unlike bpl where u can c lampard,rooney and gerrard in fa cup,carling cup,champions league n the league title itself..

Who said so? Lampard and Ferdinand still friends as they came from the same youth system.

Well guys, I think this is not an issue at all. Take a look at Holland. Their league have quite number of local players, but have their national teams achieve anything in the international stage? Same goes to Argentina, their 1st team got beaten soundly in the COPA final by a Brazil reserve.

Seria A has quite number of foreigners too but that doesn't stopped them from winning the World Cup.

For once, I had to agree with Arsene Wenger. It's all about quality. No doubt by implementing this rule more local player will come through but there will be no quality in it.

And the 90mins rule, it is just as absurd as what Platini's idea. It's like closing down the opportunity for potential young players to develop themselves with better clubs.

This post has been edited by O-haiyo: Nov 16 2007, 02:25 AM

now what kind of poll do you propose?

Well..im not sure to limit or not limit foreigners will help the national team..all im concern bout is EPL is an English base League..but nowadays seem like most of the EPL team are using more foreigners than local lads..look at Arsenal,most of the time Wenger will field his starting line up with all 11 foreigners..may be results is all thing tat count today in EPL, as long u win then the board and fans will feel happy and satisfied..but i still wish tat giants teams shud atleast contain or raise up some talented english player

Problem is Reserve league is not competitive. Whereas in Spain The Team B really played in competitive league where they can be promoted to maximum Segunda Liga.
Well singling Arsenal out is not fair. I mean in Newcastle, how many English is in the team, and how many came up from academy? As far as I know, only Owen, Milner, Taylor, to a certain extend Harper. Out of these only Taylor came up from academy.
So the problem is not foreigners but rather the upbringing of English kids where even in age group competition, the priority is win rather than enjoy themselves.

The fact that English players are fooking expensive is well known among us. Rivalry aside, would Newcastle Utd fans be pleased to see the board forking out 20 million pounds on Stewart Downing or would you guys rather spend 18 million pounds on Ricardo Quaresma? Both are hardly close in terms of abilities and it is apparent that every Geordies would go ecstatic if such deal involving Quaresma exists.

It is the mentality of the English players, when foreigners are around you, WORK HARDER to get into the first team. It's a shame that players like Dani Pacheco and Fran Merida are highly rated and are expected to break into the first team at their early age and English players can't. It may also be the lack of awareness about flair as I've stated previously, just how many flair players are there in England nowadays? SWP, Joe Cole, Rooney and Lennon? When teams like Italy and Spain have plenty.

How come teams in Italy and Spain can nurture great talents in lower teams but England? Joaquin came from Real Betis, David Villa from Zaragoza, Luca Toni from Italy, Gennaro Gattuso from Rangers, Materrazi from Everton....etc. Just how many are there in England? Micah Richards, Theo Walcott and Rooney? It's all about the mentality if you ask me.

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Added on November 16, 2007, 11:04 amThe problem with England is that, they can never accept too many changes and yet they love to play the blaming game.

This post has been edited by lilredridinghood: Nov 16 2007, 11:04 AM

May be u guys are right..I cant deny other country might be doing better in nurturing their young talent..so wut is the trend then??Countryhood nearby help to nurture their talent and EPL is resposible to bring them up and help them to become star players??All I meant is EPL shud atleast contain some minimun English players..when opportunity for english players to play increase..directly it will increase the chances for them to discover young and good player then(may be)..

Well..by then may be EPL might not be as interesting as before..may be vreis is right..win and result or to be more accurate..to keep their business running is the most important things nowaday for EPL..this is the drawback i would said...

When there's less challenge, there will also be less motivation to work. Mark Hughes said that the Italians gave them a shock when he was with Chelsea. They gave different attitudes when it comes to training and are well prepared everyday. Can foreigners be that bad anyway? If English can't even beat all these players, why should they even win the World Cup then?

Bottomline is the nurturing of young kids of 11 y.o. onward is totally wrong approach in UK. Normally they emphasis on physical and basic knowledge while neglecting tactical & technical knowledge. And those kids coaches got it wrong in emphasizing on wins rather than educate them properly.
If foreign kids can make it, why can't English kids. They got the same education at clubs academy.

yea its such as waste that with all their talent
they can't go further than 1/4 finals

now it seems nothing beyond group stage
shame on them