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post Sep 7 2025, 01:27 PM, updated 3 months ago

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PETALING JAYA: A press statement by the health ministry on the on-call allowance for doctors has turned into a debate over how little government doctors earn for their hard work compared with how much more MPs receive, despite seemingly working less.

The Schomos section of the Malaysian Medical Association (MMA) took the ministry to task for including in its statement of doctors’ allowances a list of 21 allowances that all civil servants are entitled to receive.

Another group, Hartal Doktor Kontrak, juxtaposed the allowances in the ministry’s statement with the list of monthly payments for MPs, which it says is several times more than what doctors, who work much longer hours than the elected representatives, receive.

The two groups were referring to a health ministry statement that the on-call allowance revision would be implemented next year, together with other related payments for health staff.

At the Dewan Negara last week, Dr RA Lingeshwaran took the ministry to task for not implementing new rates as promised in the last budget although it will cost only RM80 million annually.

Schomos, which groups house doctors, medical officers and specialists, said it was misleading to include the whole list of civil service allowances in the circular as junior doctors only qualify for a few of them.

Some were applicable to a small number of doctors only and others were enjoyed by staff in other services.

Schomos also posted a payslip of a junior doctor that showed only five other allowances received besides the basic salary. They are the housing, civil service, critical service, on-call, and cost of living allowances.

“We hope an increment in on-call allowance will be in place as soon as possible, especially as the last revision took place in 2012. The brain drain (from the health sector) is worsening and if this continues, the rakyat will suffer,” Schomos said.

Hartal Doktor Kontrak posted a list of fixed monthly allowances enjoyed by MPs, which include a RM16,000 wage, RM2,500 for entertainment, RM1,500 for transport, RM1,500 for drivers, RM1,500 for ceremonial dress, RM1,500 for fuel, RM900 for phone bills and RM300 for toll payments.


Besides this monthly fixed income of RM27,200, MPs are given RM400 each day they attend Dewan Rakyat sittings, RM2,000 every two years for handphone purchases, RM6,000 as one-off payment for computer purchase and RM1,000 every three years for black tie attire. They are also exempted from paying road tax.

As for pensions, they are entitled to it after the age of 50 if they serve a minimum of 36 months.

A former MP confirmed that the legislators are entitled for these allowances.

Several doctors who posted comments said that while MPs receive RM400 just to attend Parliament even for a few hours, doctors are paid only RM200 for a 24-hour duty.

“They are paid RM400 to attend and fight over renaming a flower and call each other names for a few hours but we doctors get only RM200 after struggling for 24 hours to save lives,’ one doctor said in a cynical post.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...AXl1DCel3-mkIYQ
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post Sep 7 2025, 01:30 PM

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Then be an MP. Can songlap like no tomorrow. No need to study so much.
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so going to have protest like indonesia, guling madani?
next week long weekend, can protest few days in kl

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post Sep 7 2025, 01:36 PM

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so they just assume MP working less? wow.
also that renumeration will just drain fast if that MP/adun actually helps their constitution to provide quick help fund.

deiiii, you already get paid much more compare to other gomen scheme, why kenot bersyukur? you think only health ministry are the only one that need money meh?

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post Sep 7 2025, 01:38 PM

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Donasi to brothers Ada duit
MP elaun Ada duit
MO on call rate even lower than part time /hour.

Now capati earlier promises.

This MOH tak boleh la.
This time kena support Akmal
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post Sep 7 2025, 01:41 PM

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Last time many junior workers they started to complain and complain that

Once they are given management role all don’t dare to voice out and change the policy - both private and gomen
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post Sep 7 2025, 01:43 PM

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Good that he bring this up, highlight the issue more often
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 01:36 PM)
so they just assume MP working less? wow.
also that renumeration will just drain fast if that MP/adun actually helps their constitution to provide quick help fund.

deiiii, you already get paid much more compare to other gomen scheme, why kenot bersyukur? you think only health ministry are one that need money meh?
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KKM doctor work continuously 36 hours with siput allowance. Kasi respect sikit la. Boba tea part timer get hjgher than them.
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Sep 7 2025, 01:44 PM)
KKM doctor work continuously 36 hours with siput allowance. Kasi respect sikit la. Boba tea part timer get hjgher than them.
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not everyone, its mostly the junior. why cant they fight for fairness here, senior also must work long hours like them.
doctors in our family rilek ja dispite working with gomen, selalu travel, got time balik kampung, kenduri semua can attend laugh.gif
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ask doctor akmal
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Sep 7 2025, 01:44 PM)
KKM doctor work continuously 36 hours with siput allowance. Kasi respect sikit la. Boba tea part timer get hjgher than them.
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Lagi MP dpt pencen.
KKM doctor & other health workers epf shj.
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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Sep 7 2025, 01:52 PM)
Lagi MP dpt pencen.
KKM doctor & other health workers epf shj.
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wasnt pm10 already said ahli parlimen baru no longer entitled for pencen?
yang lama only can have 1 pencen only, so they choose whether they want pencen from being minister or MP.
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Nah it's fine
Can get better pay elsewhere.
Rakyat also seems more willing to pay more on medical cards and go private hospitals.

Let it collapse and privatise them all.
We deserve it.
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post Sep 7 2025, 01:56 PM

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Sack all mp. We need doctor not mp
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Sep 7 2025, 01:55 PM)
Nah it's fine
Can get better pay elsewhere.
Rakyat also seems more willing to pay more on medical cards and go private hospitals.

Let it collapse and privatise them all.
We deserve it.
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if private can absorb everyone, doktor will have less tendency to open their own clinic, managing clinic is pain in the butt especially in place where the demand is low.
if these doktor2 hartal so good, they will have no problem to get hired by private or oversea, why try so hard demanding for more remuneration,permanent full-time position and spot to do masters?

if they are not absorbed to full-time permanent position and dont getting spot for masters is a clear sign that their superior dont favors them, maybe face problem, maybe etiquette problem, or not being friendly enough.

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doctor have the option to make their own choice if continue to stay or go overseaa because of their professional skills

does anyone else have that?
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QUOTE(NoNameSoldier @ Sep 7 2025, 02:06 PM)
doctor have the option to make their own choice if continue to stay or go overseaa because of their professional skills

does anyone else have that?
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we do, but only for the creme of the crop. but the doktor2 hartal ancam us like every doktor are headhunted to work oversea so they doing us a great favor by staying here.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 02:02 PM)
if private can absorb everyone, doktor will have less tendency to open their own clinic, managing clinic is pain in the butt especially in place where the demand is low.
if these doktor2 hartal so good, they will have no problem to get hired by private or oversea, why try so hard demanding for more remuneration, full-time position and spot to do masters?
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Because they are idealists that still have some sense of duty. They still wish for affordable, universal public healthcare.
Tapi kesian, the ministry and department in charge of their livelihood are also bad at managing shit. Pushing people away from government postings.
Then, instead of addressing the obvious root cause, they put up ridiculous regulations that further choke domestic privates. Pushing people away from own country.
Lepas tu pikachu face why brain drain.
I'm wishing them the best but I lowkey wish we just go full privatisation because Malaysians memang bodo.
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Sep 7 2025, 02:13 PM)
Because they are idealists that still have some sense of duty. They still wish for affordable, universal public healthcare. 
Tapi kesian, the ministry and department in charge of their livelihood are also bad at managing shit. Pushing people away from government postings.   
Then, instead of addressing the obvious root cause, they put up ridiculous regulations that further choke domestic privates. Pushing people away from own country.
Lepas tu pikachu face why brain drain.   
I'm wishing them the best but I lowkey wish we just go full privatisation because Malaysians memang bodo.
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yet, many doktor in their middle age working in KK, when they are more than capable to be self-employed instead.
so its not all that bad when it come to their management, must be pengaruh media social want luxury, want good life, so must demand2 non-stop.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 01:36 PM)
so they just assume MP working less? wow.
also that renumeration will just drain fast if that MP/adun actually helps their constitution to provide quick help fund.

deiiii, you already get paid much more compare to other gomen scheme, why kenot bersyukur? you think only health ministry are the only one that need money meh?
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Is not assume. Is a fact most MP are working much less than doctors. Excluding some really hardworking MP. Puas mp for sure probably don't even work. Go parliament talk rubbish. Bring nothing to the table.

Syukur what? Not everything must syukur. Next time u have shitty doctor or need wait long time just to check up on you then tell me syukur.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 02:10 PM)
we do, but only for the creme of the crop. but the doktor2 hartal ancam us like every doktor are headhunted to work oversea so they doing us a great favor by staying here.
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They are.

Here's an obvious symptoms of how dire is our public healthcare, the recent hikes in health insurance, hikes in private hospitalisation, means increase in demand.
Of course the industry is highly regulated so supply cannot meet demands so fast.
And please conveniently ignore how our neighbour are also poaching even our mo. Not just specialists. Belum lagi kira our nurses also getting poached as far as the middle east.

Just wait until the eventual collapse. Anecdotal but we already have like 1-2 resignations every few months at just in our department in our district hospital. Either to further specialisation elsewhere (out of own pocket so decades before they decided to come back and serve own country, if ever), poached overseas (not just as doctor but as other support position), go private (own clinic, family's, or others), or just resign (either giving up the career for marriage or open own business).

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 02:18 PM)
yet, many doktor in their middle age working in KK, when they are more than capable to be self-employed instead.
so its not all that bad when it come to their management, must be pengaruh media social want luxury, want good life, so must demand2 non-stop.
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And you're fine with them staying as mo instead of pursuing for masters and specialisations?

Are you one of the paper pushers in kkm? If yes, fuck you. Go back to clinical work and see for yourself how bad it is.

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QUOTE(mick84 @ Sep 7 2025, 01:44 PM)
KKM doctor work continuously 36 hours with siput allowance. Kasi respect sikit la. Boba tea part timer get hjgher than them.
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MP visit an area..asked to donate this and that
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MP is responsible for more people
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QUOTE(haturaya @ Sep 7 2025, 01:30 PM)
Then be an MP. Can songlap like no tomorrow. No need to study so much.
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is not right to give them this sort answer la. we do need doctors more than MP unless u r 1 of them la.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 02:02 PM)
if private can absorb everyone, doktor will have less tendency to open their own clinic, managing clinic is pain in the butt especially in place where the demand is low.
if these doktor2 hartal so good, they will have no problem to get hired by private or oversea,
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Cos not recognized by other countries?
Even Sg only takes Doc grads from UKM and UM.
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Sep 7 2025, 02:29 PM)
And you're fine with them staying as mo instead of pursuing for masters and specialisations?     

Are you one of the paper pushers in kkm? If yes, fuck you.
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as if most of them are interested to sambung belajar, in fact many of the old doctors dont even try to improve their knowledge. some time i went to clinic, i even suggest medication to use for myself which i got from webmd and doktor were just yeah2 lets prescribe those.

last time i went one of the doktor mata also didnt know that we have laser treatment to treat eye floaters doh.gif
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QUOTE(Sedih @ Sep 7 2025, 02:33 PM)
MP is responsible for more people
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Never was MP's KPI.
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ask doctor akmal
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as if most of them are interested to sambung belajar, in fact many of the old doctors dont even try to improve their knowledge. some time i went to clinic, i even suggest medication to use for myself which i got from webmd and doktor were just yeah2 lets prescribe those.

last time i went one of the doktor mata also didnt know that we have laser treatment to treat eye floaters  doh.gif
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Ever wonder why they aren't interested in sambung belajar?
Hint: The journey is unnecessarily hard. Shit working hours as registrar. Shit pay also.
Then summore you see the shit it took for those parallel program specialists to get registered?

Mismanagement.

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QUOTE(kopiride @ Sep 7 2025, 02:25 PM)
Is not assume. Is a fact most MP are working much less than doctors. Excluding some really hardworking MP. Puas mp for sure probably don't even work. Go parliament talk rubbish. Bring nothing to the table.

Syukur what? Not everything must syukur. Next time u have shitty doctor or need wait long time just to check up on you then tell me syukur.
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even i met tons of shitty doktor also i syukur d la. laugh.gif
they are not miracle worker anyway.
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U think MP of both divides cares for doctor?

If doctor goes strike, if some patient dies in hospital - then blame doctor for not perihatin.

If this issues persist - I really scare to get old... If saikt, really gg.
Already insurance premium expensive.

Look at the bright side... Going to heaven more important kan
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Sep 7 2025, 02:42 PM)
Ever wonder why they aren't interested in sambung belajar?
Hint: The journey is unnecessarily hard. Shit working hours as registrar. Shit pay also.
Then summore you see the shit it took for those parallel program specialists to get registered?

Mismanagement.
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yeah, mismanagement from the doktors themselves. so its their own gangs that make the system bad. the senior member prefer to bully their junior so they can relax enjoy work-life balance.
meanwhile the place i work as a peasant discourage work terlebih masa, work in weekend, suruh habiskan cuti. if got work lebih masa, make sure to claim ot, somemore flexible work hour.

if we keep bising when gomen try to increase taxes and cut subsidy subtlely, then dont dream of better healthcare system.

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Unionize je lah, takkan itu pun nak kena ajar, kata doctor semua bijak pandai
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yeah, mismanagement from the doktors themselves. so its their own gangs that make the system bad. the senior member prefer to bully their junior so they can relax enjoy work-life balance.
meanwhile the place i work as a peasant discourage work terlebih masa, work in weekend, suruh habiskan cuti. if got work lebih masa, make sure to claim ot, somemore flexible work hour.
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Untunglah, kerja mana?
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Sep 7 2025, 02:54 PM)
Untunglah, kerja mana?
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Sep 7 2025, 02:53 PM)
Unionize je lah, takkan itu pun nak kena ajar, kata doctor semua bijak pandai
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doktors themselves not union enough.
who will have higher tendency kena kerja on public holiday, senior mo with family or junior houseman that are still single? the system is rotten and they are hopping taxpayers to fork out more money? sampai bila2 pon tak selesai masalah.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 01:36 PM)
so they just assume MP working less? wow.
also that renumeration will just drain fast if that MP/adun actually helps their constitution to provide quick help fund.

deiiii, you already get paid much more compare to other gomen scheme, why kenot bersyukur? you think only health ministry are the only one that need money meh?
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that's only theoretically correct

when is the last time u saw your MP? hmm.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Sep 7 2025, 03:17 PM)
that's only theoretically correct

when is the last time u saw your MP? hmm.gif  laugh.gif
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i dont, but facebook entry got santuni orang asal and do sambutan kemerdekaan peringkat parlimen or so some shit.

we mostly met with ahli majlis here, so far very responsive, very active, everytime also saw his face. laugh.gif

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bro deepan84 was right. You layan this pipur lebey2 they demand for moon and sky now… ohmy.gif

Now compare junior doc allowance to an MP topkek
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 01:36 PM)
so they just assume MP working less? wow.
also that renumeration will just drain fast if that MP/adun actually helps their constitution to provide quick help fund.

deiiii, you already get paid much more compare to other gomen scheme, why kenot bersyukur? you think only health ministry are the only one that need money meh?
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Seeing how PAS MP is, I don't doubt it
Easiest money of their life
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QUOTE(bill11 @ Sep 7 2025, 01:31 PM)
they havent check GLC CEO ..
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At least the GLC and CEO they have qualification and work around the clock

Unlike 90% of the MP
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Sep 7 2025, 03:22 PM)
bro deepan84 was right. You layan this pipur lebey2 they demand for moon and sky now… ohmy.gif

Now compare junior doc allowance to an MP topkek
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Kasi chan kawan... Study doctor not easy, low ball until compare with part time tea barista now.

A government specialist doctor earns around RM10,000 per month after more than a decade of grueling training. But when it comes to on-call duties — 24-hour shifts that can stretch into 36 hours without proper rest — they are paid only RM220 per shift, which translates to RM9.16 per hour.

Chagee Kota Kemuning is looking for dedicated and enthusiastic individuals to join our team as Part-Time Tea Baristas.
Must possess at least an SPM certificate.
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They are not demanding. They just want to be paid respectfully.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 03:20 PM)
i dont, but facebook entry got santuni orang asal and do sambutan kemerdekaan peringkat parlimen or so some shit.

we mostly met with ahli majlis here, so far very responsive, very active, everytime also saw his face.  laugh.gif
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The real answer is nobody does
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 01:36 PM)
so they just assume MP working less? wow.
also that renumeration will just drain fast if that MP/adun actually helps their constitution to provide quick help fund.

deiiii, you already get paid much more compare to other gomen scheme, why kenot bersyukur? you think only health ministry are the only one that need money meh?
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ytd i read an FB post about how dr in district hospital work

seriously,making life and death decisions for so amny words across so many specialties. with little help from specialists. on call so frequently due to lack of manpower. then if people die, you have to answer to so many people. although u have lack of resources and manpower, there is no excuse.

u pay a junior doctor from singapore to do that, i dun think he can. even if u pay him SGD rate. or double.

be thankful that marehsia has such doctors and healthcare workers who keep the healthcare in rural areas functioning.

comparing them with other gomen scheme may not be a good idea. do other gomen workers deal with life and death everyday with lack of sleep? heavy responsibilities = heavy renumeration. basic...

... and then we kecam doctors who go to singapore to work..

why not compare to singapore? dont talk about salary. that one is conlan97firm lose.

talk about work environment, manpower, resources, support from superiors.

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QUOTE(mick84 @ Sep 7 2025, 04:30 PM)
Kasi chan kawan... Study doctor not easy, low ball until compare with part time tea barista now.

A government specialist doctor earns around RM10,000 per month after more than a decade of grueling training. But when it comes to on-call duties — 24-hour shifts that can stretch into 36 hours without proper rest — they are paid only RM220 per shift, which translates to RM9.16 per hour.

Chagee Kota Kemuning is looking for dedicated and enthusiastic individuals to join our team as Part-Time Tea Baristas.
Must possess at least an SPM certificate.
Normal Working Days: RM9 per hour
Public Holidays: RM12 per hour

They are not demanding. They just want to be paid respectfully.
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lmao agreed.
it's ridiculous to ask for someone to study and give up their teens , 20s and 30s, and even their 40s and 50s if theyre in govt service.

and to pay so little.

look at this story here. but i think most people wont understand, and just say "ala semua kerja ada stress la deal with it nobody asked u to be a doctor"

simply put, if office workers feel that 9 to 5 , 5 days a week with some OT is already stressful with long working hours, until they argue for 4 day week or shorter working hours... then being a doc is easily more than that everyday...

it's easy to say let market forces decide bla bla bla. but u gotta know, once u lose the doctor to another country, there is no coming back. yes. because kkm system doesnt allow dr to return to service once they leave. so it's a one way ticket. if someone good leaves, that's it. the investment of so many years etc into that person, automatically is the gain of the new country that the dr migrates to.

also, market forces is making dr migrate overseas. esp the ones who are able. so if malaysia wants drs who are here only because they cant leave, be ready to face the consequences of that.

TLDR warning below

QUOTE
<Crazy>
My phone rang out of nowhere at 5:30 in the morning. I'm germinating names on the line. Then the phone is answered.
"Filzah, sorry to disturb, are you sleeping? ”
That time on Saturday. I took 4 days leave from saturday till tuesday going back to peninsula to celebrate the convocation of our youngest brother. Because on Friday I was still working as usual, so I took a night flight, if only I had just arrived at KLIA at 12 in the morning. Really tired when I got home, I didn't realize why I kept sleeping.
“Okay, why?” ”
"Please help, there is a case of twin in labour, 30 weeks. I don't know what to do anymore, where to start" My mother is missing. The person who called me, not even a month has reported himself in semporna.
“Os how many cm? ”
“9cm already. the first baby is cephalic (head below) but the second baby is like breech. ” Ouch. Imagine, just finished being a houseman, just about to learn to slowly build confidence for a patient's treatment plan, suddenly have to look after 3 patients at once.
Oncall ward near Semporna only one person every night. He is the one who guards all the wards that exist. If there's an intubation near the respi, he's the one who has to run away. There's peads, fitting boy, SOB - he has to attend. There's a case of a pregnant woman coming to PAC, she needs to be seen.
If tested like this,
The patient has come and is about to give birth,
after that the baby wasn't quite a month old, still twins,
She gets to standby both, for mom and baby. Kena refer both specialist and mediate through all 3 cases to safety.
Is there only MO oncall that covers ED, can I ask for help,
but if he's busy in the emergency between green, yellow and red zone,
or he was hit by a storm, cpr case, intubated. The address is that this drama is still long.
“Who is the Midwife of LR tonight? " Please help for senior midwives, who have delivered twins,
Good at delivering breech. I heard him ask my SN his name.
"Dr Filzah, Sis Jai here. Nah. Thank God. The most senior one that I could ask for. How many breech cases when I took care of the maternity early, Sister Jai taught me.
"Who else is your friend, sis?" ”
“Ada ni si Pidang ni.” Nah. Ngam la. Senior-senior semuanya.
"Do you think it can be delivered?" " Sister Jai is so true, reply as you can. Whew. I'm praying in my heart so hard. Okay, should be mother no issue.
"You have an NRP, don't you? " I asked my friend honestly if he had gone to a course for neonatal resuscitation, because it's not easy to resuscitate a baby that's less than a month, or two. I heard she retaliated.
Well, if there is even an NRP certificate, theory will never be the same as reality. It's not easy to stay calm for a baby born flat, if it has to be intubated again, there's no specialty. When I'm in the middle of a hurry, the algorithm is everywhere, I can't remember the steps. There must be I miss-miss you.
“Okay. I think now, the most important thing is you call peads specialist first, tell them there is a high risk case you want to discuss - so later by the baby already delivered you will not be misty. So if anything, all you have to do is update the condition in case you all have to be intubated. Then asked once the boss what should be ready, should have the cling wrap at least. " I can feel her heartbeat coming here.
"Weyh. I feel like crying. Serious. Come back here quickly, before I stop. ”
….
When it was my first time on emergency call in Semporna,
is the first day I've had a case of death below 5yrs.
Basically, I just moved to Semporna for 2 weeks. Before that I floated in ED UM as MO for 7 months, I rarely handle emergency peads cases, because in UM there is already its own emergency peads place. Usually if they arrange me there too, I see cases in zone 3,4 (green) only, never attended a complicated case.
That night the cases came in circles.
I am still a year of corn, not enough experience,
looking at cases one by one slowly.
still not good at reaching the diagnosis.
Patients been raging been coming since 12
night, 3 o'clock and I still haven't seen it yet. It's not easy for me to take a quick look, at the same time, ensure the patient's diagnosis is correct, and treated well.
Already arrived at 12 o'clock and opened the folding bed because there are too many patients, my judgement is starting to be challenged.
Had one baby, came threw up one day.
Vitals are stable. Still crying tears out. Still active. But the boy is chubby. Want with 4, 5 times SN/MA I try to find a line, to draw blood. Can't.
Cause my patients are many,
I can't attend one by one completely.
so I told his mom to try to give him a drink
milk in the ED.
I observe for 2-3 hours. 2,3 times for milk. No vomit. Still in active mode. I asked her mom and she agreed. So I'm giving it back. Without drawing any blood.
At 9 o'clock that morning, the mother came back with the same baby, dead. CPR 40 min.
I cried a lot after I broke the news to mother. But since my shift continued until the evening, I'm preparing to review more patients.
While doing postmortem, they deduct that this case is aspiration pneumonia - choking on milk. But my soul is sullen. Repeatedly I did a simulation in the brain, if I had to draw blood, admit the patient. Maybe there will be no issue. For weeks I've been dreaming of the same baby face, still alive, still active, still crying.
….
My friend in the first story,
after that case,
He sent out a resignation letter.
Wow how quick he made his decision,
I'm still on vacation with my family, it's only the 3rd day, 2 days after the case, I haven't returned yet.
After I returned, I found her,
I wanted to ask him why he made a hurry decision, but his answer kept me silent.
“I'm afraid I'm going insane. ”
It's me,
From last week, too many deaths, from the old already sick, or a 2 year old drowned intubate cpr 40 min. Every time a patient dies in my hands, my head goes into overthinking mode - Did I do enough, Did I really tried my best, or if other people were here, they who knows better could save this person. It make me hesitate a lot when the case is more or less the same, come and I scrambled to do everything, but still have the same outcome. Am I the one to blame?
….
When you think back,
Work near district hospital ni;
Continuous work under pressure sometimes up to more than 24 hours,
plus with bad work schedule due to lack of doctors,
plus lack of knowledge and expertise to handle complicated cases,
Got angry with specialist because not good at managing patients, making a plan to be a mess,
Add with meeting again, with other services, clinic again. Holiday is hard to ask for more.
Away with the family again.
Oncall allowance is only RM8-9/hour more.
Pressed by the patient's family again,
When you get a little chair to sit on, you have the sanity to joke; recorded and viral by the society again.
If sent to Sabah and Sarawak, can't come due to family/business constraints, still criticized by the people.
And,
face to face with self gulit,
When the patient dies on our hands.
Sequence of work has always been covered with deaths.
And we become so overwhelmed not being able to give the best treatment to patients.
Why are you not crazy?
The crazy one, who is still able to continue to be here, in the name of devotion to the nusa, nation and country. Literally.
……
"Filzah, do you think that if you don't take leave, there will be a time for our CPR case, you can sew the cervical tear? Maybe then she'll still be alive. ”
.
"Weh, seriously I've never installed a chest tube near a baby. How is this? If I'm too much, she'll penetrate, she'll die, if I don't install it, she'll suffucate and die. ”

As for me,
it take tons of guts to stay and serve,
We struggle most daily doubting ourselves,
wheather we are good enough, skillfull enough,
We stressed over soo many mortality meeting,
that judge upon our decision making,
that jeapodize and cost someones life,
They think that just because we see so many death, we don’t value life as much as others. They thought we are used to it.
But no one can ever be used to death.
Not even crazy people.
so don’t judge those who decided to leave,
Or even,
Decided to not come.
…..
"Sister, during the case of the deceased the other day, his family wanted to crush and beat me, I was angry again. These people shouldn't do this to me. I'm not even from here, it's not easy for me to round up the will to come and serve here. ”
.
Kring. Kring.
"Hi, I'm MO from HKL, later I'll get placement in Semporna. Not sure if I would be of use in district hospital because I only use MO Radio here. But, if you guys willing to teach me, I will be diligent to learn. ”
.
I was talking with a HO in HTWU while doing my attachment, when I found out dia orang semporna.
"When I run out of HO, I really want to request to Semporna. If I didn't take care of Semporna, wouldn't I ask the boss to sit here for a long time? Boss has a family near the peninsula there. ”
…….
But, instead,
For those that decided to take the challenge heads on and stay,
you’ll gained the most expensive and surreal
experience that will help you grow into a fine and a good doctor.
Staying here for more that a year,
I think I have become a bit crazy.
But without craziness,
I don’t think you can survive in district hospital.


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bro deepan84 was right. You layan this pipur lebey2 they demand for moon and sky now… ohmy.gif

Now compare junior doc allowance to an MP topkek
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specialist dr allowance vs MP also cant beat LOL

basically MP salary etc all in, easily trumps a specialist

i always look at the MPs and the parliament ppl... and i think, why cant they just select the best 222 ktards and we can have a better parliament. lol


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QUOTE(zerorating @ Sep 7 2025, 03:00 PM)
doktors themselves not union enough.
who will have higher tendency kena kerja on public holiday, senior mo with family or junior houseman that are still single? the system is rotten and they are hopping taxpayers to fork out more money? sampai bila2 pon tak selesai masalah.
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lol why is it so hard for you to see

the reason why the kerja on public holiday issue happen is because , who the eff wanna kerja on PH with low pay. or at least, if u kerja on PH, then give off day in lieu, meaning u get extra 1 day off. this is what my friend in singapore got. they either get paid extra for PH, or they get an extra AL (they can choose)

if u pay high, people who are junior and single dont mind, in fact people might fight for the OT. the problem is, u dun even pay enough.... of course nobody wants to do. have u ever seen some factories/office where the workers are all fighting to go for OT? why? because the OT is fking worth it, that's why.

then u mentioned about why are they not allowing people getting to go off work on time etc or finish their AL.

no wonder, youre so dsconnected.. u think everyone go off work on time, nobody comes earlier or leave later, then who will take care of the patients? just say oh it's 5pm lets go , tomorrow only settle la. this is not office work. no wonder people always think everything is the same as their situation doh.gif or amybe dump everything to the person on call? ok, good as it is the oncall person is already so busy, then we dump more of the unfinished work on him, who cares , we leave at 5pm.

if everyone finish AL, finish MC, then who is going to run the clinics that finish at 7pm (supposed to end at 5pm)? one manpowr down already extend to 8pm, then 2-3 take Annual leave or MC then extend till midnight?

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Kesian Dr.

Coz they work using both brain and hands.
More taxing.
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At least the GLC and CEO they have qualification and work around the clock

Unlike 90% of the MP
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yes but still monopoly business still can lose money....
just to support the lower tier ppl.
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Sep 7 2025, 04:30 PM)
Kasi chan kawan... Study doctor not easy, low ball until compare with part time tea barista now.

A government specialist doctor earns around RM10,000 per month after more than a decade of grueling training. But when it comes to on-call duties — 24-hour shifts that can stretch into 36 hours without proper rest — they are paid only RM220 per shift, which translates to RM9.16 per hour.

Chagee Kota Kemuning is looking for dedicated and enthusiastic individuals to join our team as Part-Time Tea Baristas.
Must possess at least an SPM certificate.
Normal Working Days: RM9 per hour
Public Holidays: RM12 per hour

They are not demanding. They just want to be paid respectfully.
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That 10k is probably only basic. Plus allowance all can go up to 17-20k.
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Sep 7 2025, 05:46 PM)
specialist dr allowance vs MP also cant beat LOL

basically MP salary etc all in, easily trumps a specialist

i always look at the MPs and the parliament ppl... and i think, why cant they just select the best 222 ktards and we can have a better parliament. lol
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To be come a MP is way tougher compared to a doctor. And way more responsibility without safety net. I’m talking bout the principles and scope of an elected MP. A MP services millions of Rakyat.
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To be come a MP is way tougher compared to a doctor. And way more responsibility without safety net. I’m talking bout the principles and scope of an elected MP. A MP services millions of Rakyat.
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you should join a comedy club...


HAHAHAHAHahaAHAHA

you're talking about malaysia... not singapore. if singapore then i agree with you.

any doctor can be an MP... but not any malaysian MP can be a doctor. in fact, so many MPs i duno if they even have the intelligence to be admitted into medical school....
full stop.

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I don't mind the MP pay level as long as they can keep corruption free. But no, they want to have all the pie. Our corruption and tax agency is a joke when come to helang
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Sep 7 2025, 07:00 PM)
you should join a comedy club...
HAHAHAHAHahaAHAHA

you're talking about malaysia... not singapore. if singapore then i agree with you.

any doctor can be an MP... but not any MP can be a doctor. in fact, so many MPs i duno if they even have the intelligence to be admitted into medical school....
full stop.
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Then ask those “oppressed” doctors to be MP la. Lolll
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Then ask those “oppressed” doctors to be MP la. Lolll
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then u so butthurt about dr asking for more pay.....why u never ask urself to be a doctor? i bet ur asian parents asked u to... but why couldnt u make it?

brows.gif

u want the ability to make noise like them and to be heard..... but u dont have it..your job can easily be taken over by a tom dick or harry with any general degree. heck amybe even without a degree it is possible.

then u ask doctors to shut up because you think they have no choice like you.basically... red eye.. jelly.. jealous.. whatever u wanna call it.

this is the blunt truth. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Next, hospital janitors and nurses ask why doctors earn so much

BTW, doctors become politicians also tak boleh huat la.. According to some experienced people

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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Sep 7 2025, 07:11 PM)
then u so butthurt about dr asking for more pay.....why u never ask urself to be a doctor? i bet ur asian parents asked u to... but why couldnt u make it?

brows.gif

u want the ability to make noise like them and to be heard..... but u dont have it..your job can easily be taken over by a tom dick or harry with any general degree. heck amybe even without a degree it is possible.

then u ask doctors to shut up because you think they have no choice like you.basically... red eye.. jelly.. jealous.. whatever u wanna call it.

this is the blunt truth. laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Ok so what can you do? Nothing. Lollll
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Ok so what can you do? Nothing. Lollll
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And thus why we have these hartal doctors voicing out opinions. Are you even following the discussion?
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Ok so what can you do? Nothing. Lollll
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funny because i wanted to ask u that.
LMAO
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That 10k is probably only basic. Plus allowance all can go up to 17-20k.
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For on-call duties, paying RM9.16 per hour to a specialist make sense to you??? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Sep 7 2025, 07:57 PM)
And thus why we have these hartal doctors voicing out opinions. Are you even following the discussion?
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I got no problem demanding for higher salary. But once you start comparing with other profession to justify, then it’s too much. What’s funnier is comparing against an elected MP. Why not compare vs prime minister? 😂
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:05 PM)
For on-call duties,  paying RM9.16 per hour to a specialist make sense to you??? shocking.gif
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So what’s the acceptable rate? Everyone keeps throwing ideas bout increasing wages but nobody seems to want to give a number.
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MPs are over paid here.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:06 PM)
I got no problem demanding for higher salary. But once you start comparing with other profession to justify, then it’s too much. What’s funnier is comparing against an elected MP. Why not compare vs prime minister? 😂
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lol know the context.
youre the one who kept comparing doctors to other govt officials in the past..

bt the context here is, why MPs say cannot raise allowance or income of doctors, but yet they thesmelves got no problem taking a lot?
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Also there should be a strict annual or periodical assessment of competency for doctors. Now all enjoy timebased promotions, even the useless ones yg kuat tiktok/diva. Tak perform, kick out or stop promotion.

Those yg perform, ok with faster promotion and higher salary. But not blanket promotion like current practise.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:06 PM)
I got no problem demanding for higher salary. But once you start comparing with other profession to justify, then it’s too much. What’s funnier is comparing against an elected MP. Why not compare vs prime minister? 😂
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Relevant what?
They are demanding from mps for their pay structure revision.
Aren't the ministers responsible for that? Isn't it their job to address it?
Since the mps are not doing their job, what for they got paid more than doctors?
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QUOTE(acbc @ Sep 7 2025, 08:10 PM)
MPs are over paid here.
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Sep 7 2025, 08:15 PM)
lol know the context.
youre the one who kept comparing doctors to other govt officials in the past..

bt the context here is, why MPs say cannot raise allowance or income of doctors, but yet they thesmelves got no problem taking a lot?
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U work with MP or see their schedule, you’ll know how packed and busy their life is. Especially the MPs in urban areas. Plus if they are ministers, even crazier. I personally feel their wages are ok with their on paper job scope. Whether they do their work or not is competency issue.

In the end, no one is forcing you to be MP or doctor. If not happy, can leave. 👍🏼
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:16 PM)
Relevant what?
They are demanding from mps for their pay structure revision.
Aren't the ministers responsible for that? Isn't it their job to address it?
Since the mps are not doing their job, what for they got paid more than doctors?
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Parity of wages across the gov schemes should be considered taking into account Gov fiscal position.
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So what’s the acceptable rate? Everyone keeps throwing ideas bout increasing wages but nobody seems to want to give a number.
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You kena faham my friend.... is MOH who said it, then u-turn, then kena question by Akmal, then u-turn again. doh.gif

April 24 — The Ministry of Health (MoH) has received approval to increase the On-Call Duty Allowance (Etap) for health workers and an announcement on the matter will be made later, said its minister Datuk Seri Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad.

July 15, 2025 - Perkara ini disampaikan oleh Menteri Kesihatan, Datuk Seri Dr. Dzulkefly Ahmad yang mengumumkan kenaikan elaun on-call ini tidak dapat dilaksanakan buat masa sekarang walaupun ia telah diperuntukkan dalam Bajet 2025.


05-Sep-2025: Revised on-call allowances for doctors are expected to be implemented in 2026, according to health minister Dzulkefly Ahmad.

05-Sep-2025: Semakan kenaikan kadar Elaun 'On-Call' dibentang kepada Kabinet dalam masa terdekat - Dr Dzulkefly

The 1 who taking MP salary and elaun need to do his works to give a fair number to medical staffs.

Reference number: medical officers and specialists in Singapore are paid SG$480 (RM1,576) and SG$1,000 (RM3,283) respectively for one day’s work on a weekend. Even bagi RM480 pun sudah double the current number.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:21 PM)
Parity of wages across the gov schemes should be considered taking into account Gov fiscal position.
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Yet these doctors ain't gonna wait. Gomen should rationalise other non essential spendings, like pm or religious office. Even better, proper tax or healthcare billing restructure to adress this long term.

QUOTE(deepan84 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:19 PM)
U work with MP or see their schedule, you’ll know how packed and busy their life is. Especially the MPs in urban areas. Plus if they are ministers, even crazier. I personally feel their wages are ok with their on paper job scope. Whether they do their work or not is competency issue.

In the end, no one is forcing you to be MP or doctor. If not happy, can leave. 👍🏼
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That's also what the ministries should do. Help the ministers with the execution. I mean, if ministers cannot manage their ministry well to address a very obvious, longstanding issue, then maybe step down and let others do.

And that is what many others do.They go private or overseas.

I hope it wouldn't go so bad till our public healthcare collapse, leading to privatisation.
We already have a bit of taste what a profit oriented private healthcare industry would cost rakyat.
But of course we don't learn. Never bother to push mp and support these doctors.
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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:07 PM)
So what’s the acceptable rate? Everyone keeps throwing ideas bout increasing wages but nobody seems to want to give a number.
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Paling malas just match what private hospitals are offering.
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post Sep 7 2025, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:19 PM)
U work with MP or see their schedule, you’ll know how packed and busy their life is. Especially the MPs in urban areas. Plus if they are ministers, even crazier. I personally feel their wages are ok with their on paper job scope. Whether they do their work or not is competency issue.

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that's what doctors are doing

then the media and MOH kelam kabut when revealed singapore came to interview our doctors... icon_idea.gif

doesnt look too good to the taxpayers and investors when the best and brightest are leaving... brows.gif

because some taxpayers and investors got brain, they know what happens when the healthcare is left with insufficient manpower.. it reflects a deeper issue

unlike some people who think they will be forever be taken care of by rm1 healthcare...
LMAO

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Sep 7 2025, 09:18 PM
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post Sep 7 2025, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(deepan84 @ Sep 7 2025, 08:19 PM)
U work with MP or see their schedule, you’ll know how packed and busy their life is. Especially the MPs in urban areas. Plus if they are ministers, even crazier. I personally feel their wages are ok with their on paper job scope. Whether they do their work or not is competency issue.

In the end, no one is forcing you to be MP or doctor. If not happy, can leave. 👍🏼
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competency issue..
then it seems like many should be sacked

if a doctor is incompetent, he will kill many people already and licensed threatened and even civil lawsuit is possible..

but so far, never seen any MP being sued for so many issues, excpet when they make sohai defmatory statements against other MP. by right, if a person dies due to pothole, the JKR and the local MP should be sued and taken action against them, because they didnt do their job.

actually there is no accountability at all on the part of MPs... heck soemtimes u see some ordinary citizens filling up potholes. why the MP didnt do that? if JKR dun wanna follow the MP, either the MP is too soft, or why cant he just fill up the potholes himself instead of waiting for ordinary citizen to do his job?

anything, it is that dept

anything it is this dept.

if MPs really work, malaysia wouldnt be in the situation it is now. especially MP from puas.
all they do is talk crap, mercedes, talk crap, mercedes. KB bus station look like 1980s relict... LMAO then wanna talk cock bout the airport..

do you know if a doctor needs urgent stuff, he cant blame the porter etc for being slow?
if he needs urgent stuff and the porter is having a break, the doctor cant just stay in his room and say oh well let's wait till the porter comes back.
guess who will do the porter's job? not the nurse. not the patient's family member.


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