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spursfan
post Aug 12 2025, 01:51 PM

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ccp got big gun on ship. next time just shoot lah. main kejar kejar for whut.
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post Aug 12 2025, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Aug 12 2025, 05:32 PM)
Did China say they wanna claim Malaysia?

Why want me to say it?  shakehead.gif Watch too much detective drama budak ni, like wanna force suspect to confess topkek
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ok, do you support china's claim of 曾母暗沙 as their southernmost point?
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post Aug 13 2025, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Aug 12 2025, 10:04 PM)
Loaded question with implicit assumption that we only have two choices. Either to:
a) deny China’s claim and confront them by force (ie. Pinoys choice)
b) to support China's claim and cede territory to them meekly

I suppose people like you don't see a third option, because life is not always black and white.

If you don't know what is the third option, it is to negotiate with China and come to a compromise/agreement. I have not seen any evidence that say China is unwilling to come to a compromise with regards to the SCS issue. Whether you like it or not, the strong eats the weak in this world. Sure the weak may band together to kick the strong, but there will be casualties. Do we want to be the casualties? I can tell you with 100% certainty the Americans will never be the casualty of this confrontation.
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it's a simple yes / no question. what i'm asking is your personal opinion. your answer won't change malaysia or china's claim to the shoal.

if you can't answer somple question like that, than shaddap lah. all i'm interested to know is whether you are loyal to the country or a traitor.
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post Aug 13 2025, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Aug 13 2025, 06:51 AM)
Then no question at all, I am loyal to the country because I don't want to see it fall into needless conflict over some rocks if it can be settled peacefully.

In contrast, you are a traitor if you want confrontation when a peaceful solution exist. For example, do you think President Marcos Jr is a patriot for confronting China? Keep in mind he said he will come to the defense of TW if China invaded it. Is that in the interest of Philippines? Going to war over foreign land.

Enough with the romanticised Hollywood style bravado. Be realistic please.
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let me remind you of this - negaraku. tanah tumpahnya darahku.

our borders are not up for negotiations. period. those who are willing to give up our borders are traitors. plus, this is about more than rocks. the claimed area is also where get most of our oil. did you forget about that part?

same goes for philippines for defending their own claimed borders. their national borders are not for negotiations. i believe they have competing claims and clashes with us as well. as for taiwan, they know, if taiwan falls, the chain breaks. there will be no way to contain china after that. it's a national security issue for south korea, japan, taiwan, philippines. they are bound together, whether they like it or not.

i understand peaceful settlements are preferred. in negotiations, there are red lines for each party. our claimed borders are our red lines. if the other party crosses that line, then there's nothing more to discuss. it's ICJ or war. we will always pick ICJ. china won'r dare to meet us there. they know their claim has no merit.
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post Aug 13 2025, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Aug 13 2025, 09:47 AM)
Luckily for us, the Pinoys are there to serve as a case study of where such a dogmatic blind and uncompromising patriotism will lead a nation. Let's see what will happen to them in the coming years. And all we have to do is contrast their fate against ours since we seem to be taking a more pragmatic approach which I am grateful. But I doubt you will learn from other people's example. As if Ukraine isn't already enough of a lesson for everyone.
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if defending borders is wrong, then nations will cease to exist. you need a border to have a nation.

there's 2 countries that are good case studies, vietnam and pinoy. vietnam will fight back, so china barely messes with them. pinoy is weak, so china buiiles them. we can choose the vietnam route or the pinoy route.
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post Aug 13 2025, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(70U63 @ Aug 13 2025, 10:59 AM)
Inb4, EEZ is not border/territory water.

By making the above 'correct' statement, i will be labelled as traitor.  whistling.gif
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what eez? we claim according to continental shelf rule.

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The continental shelf rule, as defined by international law and specifically UNCLOS, grants coastal states sovereign rights over the seabed and subsoil of their continental shelves for the purpose of exploring and exploiting natural resources. This rule extends the coastal state's jurisdiction beyond its territorial sea, potentially up to 200 nautical miles or even further if the continental margin naturally extends beyond that distance.

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post Aug 14 2025, 03:55 AM

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QUOTE(differ @ Aug 13 2025, 07:34 PM)
Continental shelf only relates to seabed resources, and doesn't include the water column.
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so you mean the oil belongs to us, china is only claiming the fish? laugh.gif

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