Assuming the claims by Pinoys are true la
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2 CCP ship collide after chasing pinoy coastguard, Lol
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AMDK and Pinoys so happy now that they have proven that they can damage CCG and PLA Navy ship. Time to sound the battlehorn and go to war. kektop
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Aug 11 2025, 03:40 PM) Deswai I say China navy is not a threat. - submarine sink in yangtze - all missile filled with water - aircraft carrier deck crack - now PLA ships conlanfirmed sure crash into each other during war No need sked Taiwan kena invaded liao. China navy is useless! POYOZER liked this post
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Aug 12 2025, 04:41 PM) Yes, ayam suppork. China has been too lenient towards Pinoys. Should escalate to ensure no more provocations This post has been edited by ZeaXG: Aug 12 2025, 05:26 PM |
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Aug 12 2025, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Aug 12 2025, 05:30 PM) Xipeepee's "peaceful solution" is to claim everything as theirs. Did China say they wanna claim Malaysia?Why don't you just say you want China to claim Malaysia? Say it. Why want me to say it? |
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QUOTE(spursfan @ Aug 12 2025, 08:30 PM) Loaded question with implicit assumption that we only have two choices. Either to:a) deny China’s claim and confront them by force (ie. Pinoys choice) b) to support China's claim and cede territory to them meekly I suppose people like you don't see a third option, because life is not always black and white. If you don't know what is the third option, it is to negotiate with China and come to a compromise/agreement. I have not seen any evidence that say China is unwilling to come to a compromise with regards to the SCS issue. Whether you like it or not, the strong eats the weak in this world. Sure the weak may band together to kick the strong, but there will be casualties. Do we want to be the casualties? I can tell you with 100% certainty the Americans will never be the casualty of this confrontation. This post has been edited by ZeaXG: Aug 12 2025, 10:04 PM |
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QUOTE(spursfan @ Aug 13 2025, 01:09 AM) it's a simple yes / no question. what i'm asking is your personal opinion. your answer won't change malaysia or china's claim to the shoal. Then no question at all, I am loyal to the country because I don't want to see it fall into needless conflict over some rocks if it can be settled peacefully.if you can't answer somple question like that, than shaddap lah. all i'm interested to know is whether you are loyal to the country or a traitor. In contrast, you are a traitor if you want confrontation when a peaceful solution exist. For example, do you think President Marcos Jr is a patriot for confronting China? Keep in mind he said he will come to the defense of TW if China invaded it. Is that in the interest of Philippines? Going to war over foreign land. Enough with the romanticised Hollywood style bravado. Be realistic please. |
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QUOTE(spursfan @ Aug 13 2025, 09:27 AM) let me remind you of this - negaraku. tanah tumpahnya darahku. Luckily for us, the Pinoys are there to serve as a case study of where such a dogmatic blind and uncompromising patriotism will lead a nation. Let's see what will happen to them in the coming years. And all we have to do is contrast their fate against ours since we seem to be taking a more pragmatic approach which I am grateful. But I doubt you will learn from other people's example. As if Ukraine isn't already enough of a lesson for everyone.our borders are not up for negotiations. period. those who are willing to give up our borders are traitors. plus, this is about more than rocks. the claimed area is also where get most of our oil. did you forget about that part? same goes for philippines for defending their own claimed borders. their national borders are not for negotiations. i believe they have competing claims and clashes with us as well. as for taiwan, they know, if taiwan falls, the chain breaks. there will be no way to contain china after that. it's a national security issue for south korea, japan, taiwan, philippines. they are bound together, whether they like it or not. i understand peaceful settlements are preferred. in negotiations, there are red lines for each party. our claimed borders are our red lines. if the other party crosses that line, then there's nothing more to discuss. it's ICJ or war. we will always pick ICJ. china won'r dare to meet us there. they know their claim has no merit. |
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Aug 13 2025, 10:12 AM) Nowadays people are confuse about loyalty. That's because you are seeing the issue from an either "fight or surrender" mentality. Is there really no other way to solve the issue other than confronting the Chinese Filipino style?You say you are loyal to this country yet you support china's illegal 9 dash line. Is calling for a peaceful compromise considered traitorous while calling for a military solution a patriotic act? People nowadays really hunger for war lol. By the way, you are in the military preparing for war, are you? Surely you are not a hypocrite calling for confrontation against China while just being a keyboard warrior. Surely you are not silently hoping for our troops to sacrifice themselves just so that you can thump your chest giving moral patriotic support while singing Negaraku remaining safe elsewhere, right? This post has been edited by ZeaXG: Aug 13 2025, 10:23 AM |
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Aug 13 2025, 10:23 AM) You are not answering my basic question. You don't answer my question, why should I answer yours?If an foreign state comes and claim portion of land belongs to you, do you just hand over your soverign state inexhange for peace because you are scared ? And if they again do repeatedly, do you still continue to give ? You ever understand the rukun negara ? Where does your loyalty lies ? How can you be a lalang on this subject ? |
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Aug 13 2025, 10:26 AM) No you didn't. You made a statement. No question. QUOTE(RT8081 @ Aug 13 2025, 10:12 AM) Nowadays people are confuse about loyalty. This post has been edited by ZeaXG: Aug 13 2025, 10:31 AMYou say you are loyal to this country yet you support china's illegal 9 dash line. |
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Aug 13 2025, 10:35 AM) Any normal person would have interpreted my position as looking out for what's best for my country. I find it laughable it can be interpreted as support for China. Snap out of that blind righteousness attitude.Again, your kind of dogma is best served in the military. The army needs more of those who think only by conflict can they prove their loyalty. Everyone else who wants peace are cowards, including keyboard warriors, which I hope you are not Oh by the way, I didn't report you. Go ask the mods. If I reported your post, may any mods who see this, you may ban me for lying. This post has been edited by ZeaXG: Aug 13 2025, 10:43 AM |
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QUOTE(RT8081 @ Aug 13 2025, 11:10 AM) So you are saying that giving away your country's sovereign right is better option to ensure whats the best for the country ? So lemme understand this correctly. You are willing to give your nation to ensure you are safe and not affected by war ? Nope, I didn't say that.You are still in that it's either war or surrender territory mentality. You are thinking only by war, a country's sovereignty can be protected. That's why you are asking these nonsense loaded questions which no one sane would actually say yes. What are you thinking? I would reply yes to those ridiculous questions? |
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QUOTE(imalmighty @ Aug 14 2025, 01:04 PM) Do u even understand the meaning of sovereignty? People do like to ask me a lot of stupid questions Yes. Or you are twisting the meaning of sovereignty to fit your narrative? Nope. Care to elaborate to you, what do "peaceful negotiations" and"diplomacy" entail? Engage with opposing party in negotiations to settle the matter peacefully, no matter how long it takes. Are u insinuating that making concessions and compromises in exchange for border security is the definition of "peaceful negotiations"? Yes, and it's preferable to war. Peace through appeasement? It's called diplomacy. Or would you prefer a leader who settles all border disputes through war? Does your definition of sovereignty of a country only cover its border and does not include autonomy in other matters? \ No. It include A LOT of other matters. For instance, a sovereign country can't decide its own direction in aspects such as Economy, immigration and foreign relations? I have never said that. In fact, my opinion is the opposite. Please refer to my latest tered about sohai Pinoy president. So your "unnecessary conflict" is only at face value, meaning a weaker country gets to keep its border in name only, it also did not lose nor win in physical conflict, but in reality experience losses in other aspects, for instance, as a result of "peaceful negotiation", a weaker country relaxing immigration from a stronger country that would in turn affect the job prospect of the locals, is that your definition of victory? "No loss at paper/official capacity, but lose in reality"? Depends on what the negotiations entail. I am not the one negotiating. If I don't like the terms, then we should continue negotiating provided the other party also wants to. If they want to stop and resort to war to settle the issue, then we would have no choice, would we? All I am say is "EXHAUST ALL PEACEFUL MEANS OF SETTLEMENT BEFORE CONFRONTATION". If yes, does that mean you subscribe to might makes right mentality? Weaker party has to kowtow to stronger party? Sad as that might be, this is the nature of our world. Israel-Gaza conflict is best example. Please show me an instance where might doesn't make right in this world. This post has been edited by ZeaXG: Aug 14 2025, 02:26 PM |
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QUOTE(imalmighty @ Aug 14 2025, 03:30 PM) U should have said this from the get go, save everyone's time, don't pretend. Previously, you talked as if you are neutral and does not have a stance. Isn't it true? You couldn't provide an example where might doesn't make right in the real world. Please don't give me hollywood movie examples. Real world doesn't work that way. Tq for showing ur true color. Then tell me how do you think the world works then? if might doesn't make right. I have an idea of what you might say, if it matches to what I am thinking then it's gonna be funny. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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