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Jingle91
post Jul 11 2025, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Jul 11 2025, 11:19 AM)
You have accurately described the new property market scenario. Developers take all the meat, bones, skin and hair leaving you with nothing but have to top up to cover. Please consider adding more to EPF instead if you have extra cash. "Guaranteed " returns of +-5% in this day and age is excellent. Only thing is cannot take out until 55yrs.
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Uncle still believe more in stock. This is one of my old good memory during MCO.

Anyway, recently uncle just learn how to buy fix fund offer by PNB through tng, very convenient, expect for 4% div enough for uncle already, always play safe

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post Jul 11 2025, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Jingle91 @ Jul 11 2025, 12:48 PM)
Uncle still believe more in stock. This is one of my old good memory during MCO.

Anyway, recently uncle just learn how to buy fix fund offer by PNB through tng, very convenient, expect for 4% div enough for uncle already, always play safe

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My experience with unit trust also dissapointing. Took out money from EPF to buy unit trust but covid came wipe out all profit and fund was in the red few years. Only after covid got some <10% gain. If money left in EPF, got few years dividend >20%. Regret. My savings in other unit trusts also loss. PNB very safe ah? 4% is good enough in this day and age. Don't lose money cukup.
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post Jul 11 2025, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(PAChamp @ Jul 11 2025, 01:05 PM)
My experience with unit trust also dissapointing. Took out money from EPF to buy unit trust but covid came wipe out all profit and fund was in the red few years. Only after covid got some <10% gain. If money left in EPF, got few years dividend >20%. Regret. My savings in other unit trusts also loss. PNB very safe ah? 4% is good enough in this day and age. Don't lose money cukup.
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Can't comment much on UT, because some ppl win some ppl lose. I got one senior manager who retired with huge balance in UT. She earned alot as she bought those equity fund mark to KLCI mainly, start invest constantly when that time KLCI was 700points ++ when she retired was 1200++, she constantly invest all these years and beat the epf. But uncle won't do that now due to no confidence at all to current gov, if najib still in house I will be aggressive, lol.

PNB if not mistaken also conservative for their fix fund, they kumpul money to buy gov bond which is very safe, then pay out the div. Those equity with price fluctuation, uncle won't touch

Good point, as long don't lose money will be deemed as good investment. Uncle just don't understand why youth nowadays so keen to "invest" in condo then call themselves as "investor", and must buy one expensive cup of ice coffee and hold in hand when sharing their story, lol, maybe like that only can show he is successful . But what uncle see is holding negative asset and stay afloat with own blood😅.
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post Jul 27 2025, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Haiwelcome @ Jul 1 2025, 12:16 PM)

I dont understand why buyer opt to buy 950 ~ 1000sqft for 600k from developer but not buy 1500sqft for RM600k ~ 650k of subsale unit in same area. The only reasons I can think is they dont have saving for downpayment and lawyer/stamp duty cost.

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most of these kids dont even have money for dp but die die want to join the bandwagon when kena brainwashed by parents, siblings, friends, aunties uncles , so called prop guru etc
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post Jul 27 2025, 09:18 PM

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buy subsale
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post Jul 27 2025, 10:35 PM

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https://www.starproperty.my/news/malaysia-s...-up-call/132580

There are some major corrections yet to happen. IFYKYK because people take for granted that how it is today will remain the same tomorrow. Thread carefully.
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post Jul 28 2025, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Jul 27 2025, 10:35 PM)
https://www.starproperty.my/news/malaysia-s...-up-call/132580

There are some major corrections yet to happen. IFYKYK because people take for granted that how it is today will remain the same tomorrow. Thread carefully.
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The star start producing such nonsense article? No need verify? Who is the author lol

"To illustrate the gravity of this issue, consider a mixed development in Kota Damansara. Launched in 2016 with an average pricing of RM750 per sq ft (psf), units in this development are now reselling for as low as RM268 psf since their handover in 2020. This represents a staggering plunge of up to 64% in value in one of the Klang Valley’s more prominent and desirable addresses."

I assume it's Emporis he's talking about. From past trascaction (from EdgeProp) lowest is RM570. Now posting lowest is RM469 as of today. RM268??? For a 700 sq ft that's only RM188k lol. Please let me know if got such deal. Even auction don't have such pricing...

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post Aug 30 2025, 05:29 AM

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Agreed with what uncle said above. These days it’s not just about capital, you also need strong info and tools to stay above water. If you're still set on managing rental as income, better to treat it like business. I’ve been using TurboTenant and it’s made things smoother, especially with tenant checks and keeping track of payments.

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post Aug 31 2025, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Jul 1 2025, 03:51 PM)
mostly funny comments. One of my condos I remember when I purchased it subsale rental in the area was 1800 then i got 1900. Then covid time I increase increase till 2100. Now im renting out at 2600 because all the gen Z selling their houses and moving to Kampung smile.gif
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same tenant or change tenant?
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post Aug 31 2025, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(teacherharvard @ Aug 30 2025, 10:09 PM)
same tenant or change tenant?
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One I increase rental stay for 6 years is the same tenant.
New 2600 new tenant.
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post Sep 2 2025, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Aug 31 2025, 04:13 PM)
One I increase rental stay for 6 years is the same tenant.
New 2600 new tenant.
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Rental rates are subject to the property's location and broader market conditions.



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post Sep 2 2025, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Sep 1 2025, 08:05 PM)
Rental rates are subject to the property's location and broader market conditions.
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All of which are good for all my houses in totally different locations.
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post Sep 3 2025, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Babizz @ Sep 2 2025, 09:52 PM)
All of which are good for all my houses in totally different locations.
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Good luck to u
And don't compare it to other places you like better.
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post Sep 4 2025, 09:49 AM

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Buy 6.5% net yield and borrow at 3.5% interest. That's it.
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post Sep 4 2025, 10:25 AM

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It is a matter of accumulation of properties. After couple of years, before you realise it, you already handful already.
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QUOTE(Mixxomon @ Jul 1 2025, 10:07 AM)
Only possibility for massive increase in value is if you look at new development area or new township areas. That also comes with its own set of risk. If township program successful then profit, but if failure or abandoned then you're left holding the bag.
That's the biggest issue I have with Condo. Your condo conditions is dependent on the JMC attitude.
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post Sep 4 2025, 03:28 PM

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I never truly believe in property as an investment asset, is too illiquid and for individual there is too much at stake. If you are a insti or HWNI then maybe its fine.

Try to project say for the same condo repayment you invest equal sum to your EPF or S&P500 index, for 20 and 30 years. How much will you end up with.
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post Sep 4 2025, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(JC999 @ Sep 4 2025, 03:28 PM)
I never truly believe in property as an investment asset, is too illiquid and for individual there is too much at stake. If you are a insti or HWNI then maybe its fine.

Try to project say for the same condo repayment you invest equal sum to your EPF or S&P500 index, for 20 and 30 years. How much will you end up with.
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When you are young, you accumulate.
When you are old, having too much property is a big hassle.

Humans are like that. When you have too much cash on hand, you get itchy.
Even scammers would look for you.

So place some in some illiquid investments, so that when you are old, there's something left for you to cash out.

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post Sep 4 2025, 10:41 PM

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Is property investment still worth it?


Right now, no. Early 2000s, 2010s, yes. I still have some holdings but getting tired of increasing maintenance fees, DBKL/MBPJ taxes, etc.
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post Sep 6 2025, 10:42 AM

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Buying for investment>[X]; buying for own-stay [✓]. Government plan to build 1,000,000 affordable houses by 2035. Don't be surprised that there are many parents buying using their children's names coz and these affordable units are very similar to open market units but selling at much cheaper price. This is affecting the secondary market badly and I don't see there will be capital appreciation in the near future.

10 years ago I noticed a condo unit opposite a proposed mrt station selling at 420-430k and now there are affordable home being built closer to the MRT. The asking selling price of the old condo dropped by at least 10% compared to 10 years ago.

But if you still want to buy for investment, the rule of thumb is to buy properties below market price (secondary/auction) or matured areas where that property can be easily rented out, so you achieve a positive return on investment by the end of the loan, even if you experience slight negative cash flows at the beginning.

Bear in mind that property is a long term investment and not easy to cash out especially at current market condition.



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