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post Jun 14 2025, 04:44 PM, updated 7 months ago

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PETALING JAYA: The bus involved in the crash near Tasik Banding, Gerik, that killed 15 university students was in sound mechanical condition before the accident, according to an early technical report released by Puspakom.
A post-crash inspection found that the vehicle’s brakes, tyres, steering, and suspension were all in good condition and met safety standards.

“Based on observations and the technical investigation, there was no evidence of mechanical system failure that could have caused the accident.

“Therefore, it is highly likely that the accident was caused by other factors such as human error, road conditions, or similar external factors,” the investigators said in the report.

The report said the air brakes of the bus were in satisfactory physical condition, without any sign of excessive wear. The air compressor tank was also intact without any leaks identified.

The threads of all the tyres were found to have met safety standards. The inspectors also detected no damage in the steering system that could have caused the accident.

It said two sets of leaf springs and shock absorbers were found to be faulty but it might be a result of the crash.

The report also said the bus underwent its last inspection before the accident on April 13 at Puspakom’s Kota Bharu centre, where it was given a “pass”.

Transport minister Loke Siew Fook said appropriate measures will be implemented by the ministry based on the final findings to ensure road safety.


“Meanwhile, enforcement of compliance with safety standards set by the ministry, driver’s qualifications, and the monitoring of the transport company’s operations will continue to be tightened.

“The ministry expresses its deepest condolences to the victims’ families, and it is committed to ensure that such tragedies do not recur,” he said.


https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ys-early-report
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post Jun 14 2025, 04:47 PM

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next, blame the road condition for the accident
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post Jun 14 2025, 04:51 PM

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kek so driver lied to save himself
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so driver kantoi pentipu
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post Jun 14 2025, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Jun 14 2025, 04:47 PM)
next, blame the road condition for the accident
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Why only bus got accident? That road not suitable for buses?
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Driver tu alhamdulillah baik. Ore kito. Mana penah kena saman sepanjang kerjaya

Historically pn kalau xsalah dia bawak 70kmph je

Video tu napok laju sebab mungkin agenda Yahudi busuk hati nak percepat

Cuba kalau dia ada 20 saman, atau bawak 140kmph, confirm la semboyan berbunyi dgn protes kt Sogo. Atau kedutaan merika. Perhimpunan membantah munafik bawak mcm pelesit
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Jun 14 2025, 04:55 PM)
so driver kantoi pentipu
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No wonder the Minister already ask the driver not to talk reporter /share his taught regarding thr accident
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post Jun 14 2025, 04:59 PM

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habis lah the driver, tipu to save himself and kantoi
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post Jun 14 2025, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Jun 14 2025, 04:59 PM)
habis lah the driver, tipu to save himself and kantoi
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And all those peoplee who die2 back up the driver. Esp talk about the luggage area slighlly openbefore incident
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post Jun 14 2025, 05:00 PM

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What's the use having so many regulations in place when driver can just bypass it
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Why not said salah LGE?
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Who/ what can he blame next?

1. DAP
2. PMX
3. Tires

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post Jun 14 2025, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Jun 14 2025, 05:00 PM)
And all those peoplee who die2 back up the driver. Esp talk about the luggage area slighlly openbefore incident
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charged with 15 counts under Section 41(1) of the Road Transport Act 1987, which carries up to 10 years’ jail and a RM50,000 fine upon conviction.

If he is convicted,
15 counts x 5 years jail for each = 75 years

Padan muka lo

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post Jun 14 2025, 05:07 PM

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The driver need witness, will need to depends on the survivors on the bus evidence. Likely habis, but what about the company boss
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belum keluarkan kad salah cina, dap ke?
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Jun 14 2025, 04:58 PM)
No wonder the Minister already ask the driver not to talk reporter /share his taught regarding thr accident
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why not? Let the driver talk to reporter and let him get slaughtered by the media.
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nais.. check mate.. hope can impose the heaviest sentence to that sohai driver
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Jun 14 2025, 05:00 PM)
And all those peoplee who die2 back up the driver. Esp talk about the luggage area slighlly openbefore incident
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QUOTE(balambgarden @ Jun 14 2025, 04:51 PM)
kek so driver lied to save himself
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Or puspakom lie to save their face. If they said brske not working, people will ask how they pass puspakom test
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anyone seen the video would know - he drove above speed there.

he saw the car and panic - then make a hard turn .

justice for 15 dead soul -

his going to jail for sure - so many witness and video + mechanical report lagi .

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post Jun 14 2025, 05:14 PM

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Nothing surprise. Expected he telling lie at first.

Only Media shows his explanation.

Got which thief can confess steal things?
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driver jail or no ar?
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Not to defend

Actually brakes if used too frequently for older vehicles example going downhill genting, will fade, overheat and completely not working. But after cool down it will work again normally.
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sumbat dlm jail je!!!! biar meringkuk dlm tu
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sudah cemas apa pun cakap.. hari itu mesidi dalam sepang gg.. rm1 mil gone.. cakap break tak guna.. putus
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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jun 14 2025, 05:12 PM)
Or puspakom lie to save their face. If they said brske not working, people will ask how they pass puspakom test
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then how to verify again by another independent third party?

but if it is really brake issue, i think we wont salah puspakom coz during the test, brake is working n passed.

Passed - doesn't mean must guarantee till certain period?
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QUOTE(badmilk @ Jun 14 2025, 05:14 PM)
anyone seen the video would know - he drove above speed there.

he saw the car and panic - then make a hard turn .

justice for 15 dead soul -

his going to jail for sure - so many witness and video + mechanical report lagi .
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actually the survivors should be able to give statement that if the brake is really not working, the driver must be panic and told all the students in the bus about this issue.
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QUOTE(ZforZebra @ Jun 14 2025, 05:08 PM)
belum keluarkan kad salah cina, dap ke?
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Jun 14 2025, 05:00 PM)
And all those peoplee who die2 back up the driver. Esp talk about the luggage area slighlly openbefore incident
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sebab org kito, mau shift the blame to company cuz they assume tauke confirm is type C thumbsup.gif

kantoi dah melayu driver ni
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jun 14 2025, 05:21 PM)
Not to defend

Actually brakes if used too frequently for older vehicles example going downhill genting, will fade, overheat and completely not working. But after cool down it will work again normally.
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Not even older car. Last time my perodua overheat and brake not working. Mu bad coz nit using L instead of D
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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jun 14 2025, 05:12 PM)
Or puspakom lie to save their face. If they said brske not working, people will ask how they pass puspakom test
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this is one thing i was wondering also...

conspiracy theory.... imagine if the bas kampeni actually coffee coffee busbakom..... knowing it wouldnt pass the test .... or because they wanna get things done quickly without any downtime....

but subsequently shit happened...

since bubakom was the recipient of the coffee and also subsequently bubakom also the one who check whetheer got problem.... it is so easy to just say hey everything was OK when we checked on april 13 so everythin ok with the bus... so now it's either driver, road, or some animal jump out in front of the bus.... nothing to do with the bus because we claered it back on april 13 already.

by right they should have sent to an independent workshop to check...

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QUOTE(oM41GoD_ @ Jun 14 2025, 05:04 PM)
charged with 15 counts under Section 41(1) of the Road Transport Act 1987, which carries up to 10 years’ jail and a RM50,000 fine upon conviction.

If he is convicted,
15 counts x 5 years jail for each = 75 years

Padan muka lo
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Later run concurrently, so 5 years only
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Leaf spring and absorber might have caused it to flip over
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next will blame jin and makhluk halus for blocking his leg from activating the brakes
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QUOTE(ramdieslow @ Jun 14 2025, 04:58 PM)
Driver tu alhamdulillah baik. Ore kito. Mana penah kena saman sepanjang kerjaya

Historically pn kalau xsalah dia bawak 70kmph je

Video tu napok laju sebab mungkin agenda Yahudi busuk hati nak percepat

Cuba kalau dia ada 20 saman, atau bawak 140kmph, confirm la semboyan berbunyi dgn protes kt Sogo. Atau kedutaan merika. Perhimpunan membantah munafik bawak mcm pelesit
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puspakom not conflict of interest to check their own earlier checks?
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Obviously bus driver drove at crazy speed
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jun 14 2025, 05:37 PM)
Later run concurrently, so 5 years only
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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Jun 14 2025, 05:29 PM)
then how to verify again by another independent third party?

but if it is really brake issue, i think we wont salah puspakom coz during the test, brake is working n passed.

Passed - doesn't mean must guarantee till certain period?
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Yes, busses need to perform check every 6 month. If puspakom said they are roadworthy for 6 month, then every failure checked by puspakom within 6 month should be under puspakom's responsibility
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Driver 18 summons u still believe him or not
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jun 14 2025, 05:21 PM)
Not to defend

Actually brakes if used too frequently for older vehicles example going downhill genting, will fade, overheat and completely not working. But after cool down it will work again normally.
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Not to argue with you.

In his situation, see the video of he flip over. Then i think nothing can defend.
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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jun 14 2025, 06:15 PM)
Yes, busses need to perform check every 6 month. If puspakom said they are roadworthy for 6 month, then every failure checked by puspakom within 6 month should be under puspakom's responsibility
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Dont simply put the responsibility on Puspakom.

Puspakom will decide the period of roadworthy? I dont think so

You do medical check up, doctor will guarantee you can live for next 5 years? If you die, doctors bear the responsibilities?
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QUOTE(Avex @ Jun 14 2025, 04:50 PM)
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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 06:24 PM)
Dont simply put the responsibility on Puspakom.

Puspakom will decide the period of roadworthy? I dont think so

You do medical check up, doctor will guarantee you can live for next 5 years? If you die, doctors bear the responsibilities?
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Doctor force you to check your health in certain time period?

This is obligatory vs self responsibility. Then why we put 6 month puspakom check eligibility if today check tomorrow rosak?
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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jun 14 2025, 06:30 PM)
Doctor force you to check your health in certain time period?

This is obligatory vs self responsibility. Then why we put 6 month puspakom check eligibility if today check tomorrow rosak?
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Your point is Puspakom need to bear the responsibilities for the next 6 months before the next checking.

If any accident happens, it's Puspakom fault.

Is it stated in Puspakom checking statement?

If not, why need to blame Puspakom?

In this accident, is it really the faulty spare parts or human careless caused?

I think the answer is so obvious.






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Actually what's so difficult

The guy got 18 summons, many include speeding

So how can he be allowed to drive a bus


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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 06:41 PM)
Your point is Puspakom need to bear the responsibilities for the next 6 months before the next checking.

If any accident happens, it's Puspakom fault.

Is it stated in Puspakom checking statement?

If not, why need to blame Puspakom?

In this accident, is it really the faulty spare parts or human careless caused?

I think the answer is so obvious.
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Not stated but they should. Any failure on whatever puspakom tested should be on them


Puspakom approved brake is roadworthy, then brake failed, then puspakom should be responsible. If not, no use puspakom or not, make it non obligatory as sijil halal.
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QUOTE(Blackops981 @ Jun 14 2025, 05:02 PM)
Who/ what can he blame next?

1. DAP
2. PMX
3. Tires

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Cina. Blame Cina.
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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Jun 14 2025, 05:30 PM)
alrdy many ppl blaming loke....
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loke mmg padan kena blame. i believe most of us have high hopes for him.
manatau he is just like any politician before him.
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Got a lot summons. Then witness inside bus said he speeding. Now brake ok.

So conlan97firm bus driver lor
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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 06:24 PM)
Dont simply put the responsibility on Puspakom.

Puspakom will decide the period of roadworthy? I dont think so

You do medical check up, doctor will guarantee you can live for next 5 years? If you die, doctors bear the responsibilities?
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You are no wrong for this statement but given the corruption in PUSPAKOM, how can we be certain that it was done properly? This has been always my doubts. Drive the highway and you will see debris of laminated tyres. Likely there are approved by PUSPAKOM and done every 6 monthly. Incredible that tyre can delamniate less than 6 months no?
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jun 14 2025, 05:21 PM)
Not to defend

Actually brakes if used too frequently for older vehicles example going downhill genting, will fade, overheat and completely not working. But after cool down it will work again normally.
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and thats is why speed limit exist, if the driver drive at low speed chances are the brake system are not overheated.
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Kito tak mabok

Kito x tips kito

Kito x salah, brake salah


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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jun 14 2025, 06:43 PM)
Not stated but they should. Any failure on whatever puspakom tested should be on them
Puspakom approved brake is roadworthy, then brake failed, then puspakom should be responsible. If not, no use puspakom or not, make it non obligatory as sijil halal.
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They should? Now this accident caused by faulty spare parts?

Why not should the driver drive properly instead?

Don't blame the floor too hard if can't shit.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 14 2025, 06:47 PM)
You are no wrong for this statement but given the corruption in PUSPAKOM, how can we be certain that it was done properly?  This has been always my doubts.  Drive the highway and you will see debris of laminated tyres.  Likely there are approved by PUSPAKOM and done every 6 monthly.  Incredible that tyre can delamniate less than 6 months no?
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What's so hard for changing a tyre before checking?

Change back the tyre after checking?

Like this also can blame Puspakom?



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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 07:01 PM)
What's so hard for changing a tyre before checking?

Change back the tyre after checking?

Like this also can blame Puspakom?
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It is not hard. But it is also possible that PUSPAKOM is part of the cartel. Hence, I always have doubts about PUSPAKOM and its integrity.
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The most convenient reason is to blame it on the brake if it's debunk we'll see what other reason he can make.
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Jun 14 2025, 06:15 PM)
Driver 18 summons u still believe him or not
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this is the root or real problem that government need to address. the problem start here. people too used to drive fast. everyday drive fast hentam all the way above speedlimit. then how the hell, they want to drive slow below 90kmh..where is the logic. this bus speeding will never ending case until everyone need to drive slow
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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 06:24 PM)
Dont simply put the responsibility on Puspakom.

Puspakom will decide the period of roadworthy? I dont think so

You do medical check up, doctor will guarantee you can live for next 5 years? If you die, doctors bear the responsibilities?
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If u do medical checkup in April and doctor say u got no problem and in June u suddenly got cancer stage 4 like politician because got court hearing...Trust me ... heads will roll.

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QUOTE(gogocan @ Jun 14 2025, 06:15 PM)
Driver 18 summons u still believe him or not
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Many here do, die die sokong, well innocent until proven guilty, puspakom report also don't believe, they think puspakom the report is just few sentence only? Of course comes with pictures and analysis le
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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Jun 14 2025, 05:39 PM)
next will blame jin type-i and makhluk halus type-c for blocking his leg from activating the brakes
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Many here do, die die sokong, well innocent until proven guilty, puspakom report also don't believe, they think puspakom the report is just few sentence only? Of course comes with pictures and analysis le
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haha, why like that?
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ Jun 14 2025, 08:13 PM)
Many here do, die die sokong, well innocent until proven guilty, puspakom report also don't believe, they think puspakom the report is just few sentence only? Of course comes with pictures and analysis le
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Either way driver n pupakom also type C... kalau tak tipu bukan... oh wai-
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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Jun 14 2025, 08:15 PM)
haha, why like that?
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All lorry driver kut? Support each other, lorry driver rocks
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Either way driver n pupakom also type C... kalau tak tipu bukan... oh wai-
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All lorry driver kut? Support each other, lorry driver rocks
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owai, semua salah type c?
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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 06:53 PM)
They should? Now this accident caused by faulty spare parts?

Why not should the driver drive properly instead?

Don't blame the floor too hard if can't shit.
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All is speculation for now, police also havent guve any statement.

Puspakom said brake ok
Driver said brake prob
Police didnt say anything yet


My point still stand, an organization tasked to give obligatory roadworthiness certificate should be held responsible if anything happen. If not, they just a wayang organization with no accountabjlity
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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 07:01 PM)
What's so hard for changing a tyre before checking?

Change back the tyre after checking?

Like this also can blame Puspakom?
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So hard for puspakom to give marking or paint or somekind of tag to checked hardware? If they accident and found with non compliant tag, then puspakom can release responsibilities
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QUOTE(gogocan @ Jun 14 2025, 06:15 PM)
Driver 18 summons u still believe him or not
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QUOTE(sakuraboo @ Jun 14 2025, 06:43 PM)
Actually what's so difficult

The guy got 18 summons, many include speeding

So how can he be allowed to drive a bus
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schumacher and hamilton how many crashes?

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Jun 14 2025, 06:47 PM)
Got a lot summons. Then witness inside bus said he speeding. Now brake ok.

So conlan97firm bus driver lor
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Witness also said driver did stop the bus to check the brakes before the incident. So like he was already sensing some sign of brake problem?

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schumacher and hamilton how many crashes?
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schumacher and hamilton speeding in track, how to compare..
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schumacher and hamilton speeding in track, how to compare..
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Why only bus got accident?  That road not suitable for buses?
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That bus with that driver

Other bus with other driver make it to destination
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Death penalty to the driver and company owner please.
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got so many witnesses alive
he can't get away from this one
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PETALING JAYA: The bus involved in the crash near Tasik Banding, Gerik, that killed 15 university students was in sound mechanical condition before the accident, according to an early technical report released by Puspakom.
A post-crash inspection found that the vehicle’s brakes, tyres, steering, and suspension were all in good condition and met safety standards.

“Based on observations and the technical investigation, there was no evidence of mechanical system failure that could have caused the accident.

“Therefore, it is highly likely that the accident was caused by other factors such as human error, road conditions, or similar external factors,” the investigators said in the report.

The report said the air brakes of the bus were in satisfactory physical condition, without any sign of excessive wear. The air compressor tank was also intact without any leaks identified.

The threads of all the tyres were found to have met safety standards. The inspectors also detected no damage in the steering system that could have caused the accident.

It said two sets of leaf springs and shock absorbers were found to be faulty but it might be a result of the crash.

The report also said the bus underwent its last inspection before the accident on April 13 at Puspakom’s Kota Bharu centre, where it was given a “pass”.

Transport minister Loke Siew Fook said appropriate measures will be implemented by the ministry based on the final findings to ensure road safety.
“Meanwhile, enforcement of compliance with safety standards set by the ministry, driver’s qualifications, and the monitoring of the transport company’s operations will continue to be tightened.

“The ministry expresses its deepest condolences to the victims’ families, and it is committed to ensure that such tragedies do not recur,” he said.
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ys-early-report
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I know a bit about the air brake systems. I am not saying the driver is not at fault, but I think they haven't check the air compressor itself and the 4 way safety valve yet. Hopefully they check these and conclude the investigation soon.

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I know a bit about the air brake systems. I am not saying the driver is not at fault, but I think they haven't check the air compressor itself and the 4 way safety valve yet. Hopefully they check these and conclude the investigation soon.
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15 summons wowo
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15 summons wowo
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How many years he drive? I got 20 plus over 20 years also. Anyway, I rather stick to the facts, investigation results and statements from witnesses especially the ones sitting right behind the driver.

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If u do medical checkup in April and doctor say u got no problem and in June u suddenly got cancer stage 4 like politician because got court hearing...Trust me  ... heads will roll.
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You also know said "suddenly" got cancer, then blame doctor again?

Why did you do in this 2 months for suddenly got cancer?
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How many years he drive? I got 20 plus over 20 years also. Anyway, I rather stick to the facts, investigation results and statements from witnesses especially the ones sitting right behind the driver.
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eyewitness? you mean the victims? dashcam video? all against the driver wor
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eyewitness? you mean the victims? dashcam video? all against the driver wor
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Yes. The ones sitting right behind the driver. Dashcam video only showing final moment but not the whole 1 km plus going downhil after the driver said brake not working
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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jun 14 2025, 08:24 PM)
All is speculation for now, police also havent guve any statement.

Puspakom said brake ok
Driver said brake prob
Police didnt say anything yet
My point still stand, an organization tasked to give obligatory roadworthiness certificate should be held responsible if anything happen. If not, they just a wayang organization with no accountabjlity
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Anthony follow Puspakom report said the brake still works. Driver said brake problem, any evidence to prove?

You select to believe the one without evidence.

I got nothing to say.

Who can ensure what you did after the checking?

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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Jun 14 2025, 07:19 PM)
how did you know?
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The way the driver jumped the gun from the hospital and let out a statememt that it was the brakes.
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Yes. The ones sitting right behind the driver. Dashcam video only showing final moment but not the whole 1 km plus going downhil after the driver said brake not working
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He speeding to overtake the dashcam car la

See again the video, the brake light is lighting so mean brake is work.
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normal la...many people drive fast then dont manage brake in time then blame brake not good
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can already see in this thread that some still wanna defend that stupid driver laugh.gif

18 summons and also the video evidence of him crashing, still wanna believe that dumb bus driver? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 14 2025, 09:59 PM)
Yes. The ones sitting right behind the driver. Dashcam video only showing final moment but not the whole 1 km plus going downhil after the driver said brake not working
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now it seems obvious you plotek the driver. Why eh? Almost everything against him. Just balik2 highlight driver's claim of the bus brakes against victim accounts, dashcam video, polis, speeding summon records, heck even his company said nothing wrong with the brakes which is also confirmed by Puspakom.

You saying Puspakom dunno how to check a bus? thats literarily their frigging job!
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QUOTE(Blackops981 @ Jun 14 2025, 05:02 PM)
Who/ what can he blame next?

1. DAP
2. PMX
3. Tires

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QUOTE(ramdieslow @ Jun 14 2025, 04:58 PM)
Driver tu alhamdulillah baik. Ore kito. Mana penah kena saman sepanjang kerjaya

Historically pn kalau xsalah dia bawak 70kmph je

Video tu napok laju sebab mungkin agenda Yahudi busuk hati nak percepat

Cuba kalau dia ada 20 saman, atau bawak 140kmph, confirm la semboyan berbunyi dgn protes kt Sogo. Atau kedutaan merika. Perhimpunan membantah munafik bawak mcm pelesit
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cuba dia xde saman rekod clean 20 tahun...tapi racing lain jenis. da protes n lagi 3 ekor apa nama tue da sound da
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When you brake a bus at a corner from such speed, the conclusion is to be expected. It's not rocket science.

It was never about the brakes malfunctioning, it was dangerous driving that caused the tragedy.

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can already see in this thread that some still wanna defend that stupid driver  laugh.gif

18 summons and also the video evidence of him crashing, still wanna believe that dumb bus driver? biggrin.gif
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jangan persoal dan tanya soalan susah mad.gif
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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 10:04 PM)
Anthony follow Puspakom report said the brake still works. Driver said brake problem, any evidence to prove?

You select to believe the one without evidence.

I got nothing to say.

Who can ensure what you did after the checking?
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I am saying the investigation is still at the preliminary stage of visual inspection. Have they test the air compressor to air dryer to the 4 way safety valve? Once this is done, then you can say they have done complete test of the air brake system.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 14 2025, 11:36 PM)
I am saying the investigation is still at the preliminary stage of visual inspection. Have they test the air compressor to air dryer to the 4 way safety valve? Once this is done, then you can say they have done complete test of the air brake system.
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you are being incredibly selective with what you want to hear, and ignore all the other evidences? then you claim to stick with the facts? lol
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Siap awal awal self defence brek kosong elak 4 kenderaan sampai terakhir cam car then terbabas only after video surfaced then 13/18 saman pandu laju

Followed by survivors statement to the lady menteri (can’t remember name) driver was speeding and refused to slow down despite being asked to. This was reported in printed media

Well, car cam don’t lie, saman record is solid, between survivor’s statement to menteri vs driver’s self claim, you can make your pick which to believe

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I am saying the investigation is still at the preliminary stage of visual inspection. Have they test the air compressor to air dryer to the 4 way safety valve? Once this is done, then you can say they have done complete test of the air brake system.
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The driver explanation any proof support?
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Let's be honest, brake malfunctioning or not, the driver and the company are still at fault here

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QUOTE(ramdieslow @ Jun 14 2025, 04:58 PM)
Driver tu alhamdulillah baik. Ore kito. Mana penah kena saman sepanjang kerjaya

Historically pn kalau xsalah dia bawak 70kmph je

Video tu napok laju sebab mungkin agenda Yahudi busuk hati nak percepat

Cuba kalau dia ada 20 saman, atau bawak 140kmph, confirm la semboyan berbunyi dgn protes kt Sogo. Atau kedutaan merika. Perhimpunan membantah munafik bawak mcm pelesit
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Bapok baek orgnya ?

Those rempits beating red lights also never salah one
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QUOTE(ramdieslow @ Jun 14 2025, 04:58 PM)
Driver tu alhamdulillah baik. Ore kito. Mana penah kena saman sepanjang kerjaya

Historically pn kalau xsalah dia bawak 70kmph je

Video tu napok laju sebab mungkin agenda Yahudi busuk hati nak percepat

Cuba kalau dia ada 20 saman, atau bawak 140kmph, confirm la semboyan berbunyi dgn protes kt Sogo. Atau kedutaan merika. Perhimpunan membantah munafik bawak mcm pelesit
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Kalau driver type C tahun lepas lagi semboyan terbalikkan bas bakor bakor rumah bantai mak dia
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eyewitness? you mean the victims? dashcam video? all against the driver wor
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those witnesses already 200% not reliable as they will surely biased after the incident. should amend law require each bus have cam recorder inside the bus. We can see the driver reaction if really brake problem or he lies.

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those witnesses already 100% not reliable as they will surely biased after the incident.
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What make you believe the driver is reliable than the witnesses?

Dashcam not reliable?
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>inb4 acekema gampang super masok belum
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Why so senyap?

Usually bising a lot like a chicken coup when think they tertindas?
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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 11:59 PM)
What make you believe the driver is reliable than the witnesses?

Dashcam not reliable?
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Driver palebut pun mamat tu boleh percaya
Speeding ticket berbelas. Witness ramai2, kira dia lah terpaling adil give chance. Kalau type C dia naik minyak dulu
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you are being incredibly selective with what you want to hear, and ignore all the other evidences? then you claim to stick with the facts? lol
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Tell me how long is the dashcam video? A mere 1 second plus. You can actually make a deduction based on position of the bus relative to the access road opening (to the telco tower) of about 4 m plus all the way to the 5th posts of the jkr guard rail... And it took about 0.8 - 0.9 seconds to cover that distance. Most likely the speed js about 65 km/h at that point before it roll over.

Brake lights will turn on because of brake pedal switch but not indicative of actual brake chamber pushing the s-cam and expanding the brake shoe lining against the drum.

If we consider the driver was shouting and seems like angry, would it be possible to consider that he is warning the occupants? Only those sitting behind him can confirm if that is the case.

And if we consider that he couldn't shift the gear would it be possible it due to clutch booster not working as it doesn't get air pressure from the 4 way valve? Well, we can only get the answer after the investigation fully concluded and they test all components from air compressor to the air dryer to the 4 way valve.

So, you are still saying I dont know the facts and selective when I know what I am talking about as I understand vehicle dynamics and air brake system. I am not saying it is not the driver's fault, but what I am saying is the investigation is still at preliminary stage.

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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 11:42 PM)
The driver explanation any proof support?
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Just ask your kelantan or terengganu friend to translate this tv3 interview. The lady was sitting right behind the driver.

tv3 interview

Full Interview Transcript (English Translation):

Reporter: Can you share your position in the bus?

Zaty: I was seated behind the driver, the front most seat on the right-hand side. I was asleep since we left Jerteh — slept all the way. Before the incident happened, I woke up. I felt something was wrong. Why was the bus going so fast? But at that time, I just thought positively (husnozon?).

The speed felt odd, especially going downhill toward Gerik. Next to me, there was a handrail in the bus; I grabbed it because it was going really fast. I nudged the person next to me, held her hand. The bus was speeding out of control — no brakes, nothing could be done.

Reporter: So you already noticed the bus was swaying or unstable?

Zaty: Yes, it felt unstable because the driver was swerving to avoid cars. With that speed, he was avoiding cars. I thought to myself, “Why is he swerving so fast?”

I heard the driver and the assistant shouting. The driver said, “I can’t do anything anymore… I’ve pressed the air (brake), I’ve pressed the brakes!”

At that moment, I couldn’t do anything; there was a big lorry ahead. The bus was speeding — I held the rail tightly. Luckily, he managed to avoid the lorry, but right after that, there was a bend and cars in front and traffic jam. He had lost control… eventually the bus overturned.

When I opened my eyes, I was already on the floor. I immediately got out; I left everything behind. My body was shaking as I got out of the bus.

Reporter: It was early morning, before dawn. Did you manage to scream or wake anyone up at the back?

Zaty: I couldn’t. I only managed to shake the person next to me. I couldn’t say anything because of the speed. She asked me, “Why is it so fast?” I didn’t know. I just held onto her.



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the way everyone described is like air brake works by applying air pressure to brake for braking. I thought it works in reverse for heavy vehicle, like if theres no pressure, the brake applied by default. need to have air pressure to disengage the brakes?

hmm.

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QUOTE(ramdieslow @ Jun 14 2025, 04:58 PM)
Driver tu alhamdulillah baik. Ore kito. Mana penah kena saman sepanjang kerjaya

Historically pn kalau xsalah dia bawak 70kmph je

Video tu napok laju sebab mungkin agenda Yahudi busuk hati nak percepat

Cuba kalau dia ada 20 saman, atau bawak 140kmph, confirm la semboyan berbunyi dgn protes kt Sogo. Atau kedutaan merika. Perhimpunan membantah munafik bawak mcm pelesit
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Haha .....driver caught lying again. Won't be surprised always lying.😅
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QUOTE(sHsIkuA @ Jun 14 2025, 09:30 PM)
got so many witnesses alive
he can't get away from this one
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Yes many witnesses. And they said

1. The driver stopped the bus to check the brakes before the crash.
2. The driver was shouting that the brakes were not working.

The brakes failing corroborates with the fact the bus was speeding and avoiding cars.

The above 2 evidence are compelling as they represent actual statements soon after the event.

If in fact the bus was sabotaged and there is attempt to cover this up then all subsequent investigations could possibly be biased.


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QUOTE(SharpSword @ Jun 15 2025, 08:13 AM)
Yes many witnesses. And they said

1. The driver stopped the bus to check the brakes before the crash.
2. The driver was  shouting that the brakes were not working.

The brakes failing corroborates with the fact the bus was speeding and avoiding cars.

The above 2 evidence are  compelling as they represent actual statements soon after the event.

If in fact the bus was sabotaged and there is attempt to cover this up then all subsequent investigations could possibly be biased.
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How do you come up with this? Who would have the motive to sabotage and cover up? Doesn't make sense at all.

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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 14 2025, 10:04 PM)
Anthony follow Puspakom report said the brake still works. Driver said brake problem, any evidence to prove?

You select to believe the one without evidence.

I got nothing to say.

Who can ensure what you did after the checking?
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Police keluar statement?

Like i said, you can mark or tag the hardware. Only the matter of wilingness

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 12:41 AM)
Just ask your kelantan or terengganu friend to translate this tv3 interview. The lady was sitting right behind the driver.

tv3 interview

Full Interview Transcript (English Translation):

Reporter: Can you share your position in the bus?

Zaty: I was seated behind the driver, the front most seat on the right-hand side. I was asleep since we left Jerteh — slept all the way. Before the incident happened, I woke up. I felt something was wrong. Why was the bus going so fast? But at that time, I just thought positively (husnozon?).

The speed felt odd, especially going downhill toward Gerik. Next to me, there was a handrail in the bus; I grabbed it because it was going really fast. I nudged the person next to me, held her hand. The bus was speeding out of control — no brakes, nothing could be done.

Reporter: So you already noticed the bus was swaying or unstable?

Zaty: Yes, it felt unstable because the driver was swerving to avoid cars. With that speed, he was avoiding cars. I thought to myself, “Why is he swerving so fast?”

I heard the driver and the assistant shouting. The driver said, “I can’t do anything anymore… I’ve pressed the air (brake), I’ve pressed the brakes!”

At that moment, I couldn’t do anything; there was a big lorry ahead. The bus was speeding — I held the rail tightly. Luckily, he managed to avoid the lorry, but right after that, there was a bend and cars in front and traffic jam. He had lost control… eventually the bus overturned.

When I opened my eyes, I was already on the floor. I immediately got out; I left everything behind. My body was shaking as I got out of the bus.

Reporter: It was early morning, before dawn. Did you manage to scream or wake anyone up at the back?

Zaty: I couldn’t. I only managed to shake the person next to me. I couldn’t say anything because of the speed. She asked me, “Why is it so fast?” I didn’t know. I just held onto her.
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based on this interview, it looks like it is really brake issue?
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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Jun 15 2025, 09:25 AM)
based on this interview, it looks like it is really brake issue?
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She is directly sitting behind the driver. Based on this interview by tv3, it looks like brake failure. The visual static inspection so far reveals nothing abnormal with the air brake system from the air tanks, hose going to brake chambers, brake lining wear, etc. Still preliminary and I don't know why that minister make that statement so early. Maybe his head is on the chopping board as well so it is just convenient for him to use whatever little information he has to taichi and find a scapegoat.

I am not saying the driver is not at fault at all. But considering this interview and statement by the driver maybe it is best not to make early conclusion.

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 09:41 AM)
She is directly sitting behind the driver. Based on this interview by tv3, it looks like brake failure. The visual static inspection so far reveals nothing abnormal with the air brake system from the air tanks, hose going to brake chambers, brake lining wear, etc. Still preliminary and I don't know why that minister make that statement so early. Maybe his head is on the chopping board as well so it is just convenient for him to use whatever little information he has  to taichi and find a scapegoat.

I am not saying the driver is not at fault at all. But considering this interview and statement by the driver maybe it is best not to make early conclusion.
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Correct. What the preliminary result showed the brake was working good but it is contrary with the statements given by the students.
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QUOTE(GalaxyV @ Jun 15 2025, 09:42 AM)
Correct. What the preliminary result showed the brake was working good but it is contrary with the statements given by the students.
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The results only shows some of the brake components are in good conditions based on static inspection. However, there is no mention about the air compressor. And static inspection alone is not forensic as it doesn't replicate actual situation of the bus going down the slope at 5% gradient with the engine running and connected with the air compressor. I am not an expert, but I really think they have to check from the air compressor going to the 4 way valve. It looks like they only check from air tanks, which is after the 4 way valve. Maybe there is no way to check now unless they can turn on the engine and perhaps put the bus on a dyno.

If we refer to similar schematic of hino air brake system, it is from 1 (air compressor) to 6 (4 way valve). The air tanks (4 & 5) are after 6 and the pressure going to clutch booster is also after 6 (going to 21 perhaps at lower section of the diagram). I don't have the exact schematic for this bus, but most likely it is similar with only 4 wheels instead of 6 wheels as shown in this diagram.

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In the diagram below, no 22 is the clutch booster where input air pressure coming from 21 (refer to above diagram) . Not sure which transmission that bus is using. But we can see that if there is no air pressure from 21, which is connected to 4 way valve, it will be very hard to downshift, which support what the driver said that he could not shift gear.

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Wont be charge as manslaughter ke? Intentionally speeding and endangering other road users as well
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Wont be charge as manslaughter ke? Intentionally speeding and endangering other road users as well
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 12:41 AM)
Just ask your kelantan or terengganu friend to translate this tv3 interview. The lady was sitting right behind the driver.

tv3 interview

Full Interview Transcript (English Translation):

Reporter: Can you share your position in the bus?

Zaty: I was seated behind the driver, the front most seat on the right-hand side. I was asleep since we left Jerteh — slept all the way. Before the incident happened, I woke up. I felt something was wrong. Why was the bus going so fast? But at that time, I just thought positively (husnozon?).

The speed felt odd, especially going downhill toward Gerik. Next to me, there was a handrail in the bus; I grabbed it because it was going really fast. I nudged the person next to me, held her hand. The bus was speeding out of control — no brakes, nothing could be done.

Reporter: So you already noticed the bus was swaying or unstable?

Zaty: Yes, it felt unstable because the driver was swerving to avoid cars. With that speed, he was avoiding cars. I thought to myself, “Why is he swerving so fast?”

I heard the driver and the assistant shouting. The driver said, “I can’t do anything anymore… I’ve pressed the air (brake), I’ve pressed the brakes!”

At that moment, I couldn’t do anything; there was a big lorry ahead. The bus was speeding — I held the rail tightly. Luckily, he managed to avoid the lorry, but right after that, there was a bend and cars in front and traffic jam. He had lost control… eventually the bus overturned.

When I opened my eyes, I was already on the floor. I immediately got out; I left everything behind. My body was shaking as I got out of the bus.

Reporter: It was early morning, before dawn. Did you manage to scream or wake anyone up at the back?

Zaty: I couldn’t. I only managed to shake the person next to me. I couldn’t say anything because of the speed. She asked me, “Why is it so fast?” I didn’t know. I just held onto her.
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How long was he speeding?
How long was the downhill?
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If dun consider any conspiracy theory. Depends on judge with onhand facts, statement, evidence and expertise input. It's not looking good to the driver.
The company also one kind and lying, fast say they vet their drivers, in the end who drive the bus also dunno as they rent to third party. Got GPS not using.
Tv3 interview is not police statement.

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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Jun 15 2025, 10:12 AM)
How long was he speeding?
How long was the downhill?
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Based on driver's statement it is over 1 km from the onset of alleged brake system failure to the roll over event. I wonder how much speed will the bus pick up going downhill along that 1 km stretch with initial speed of 40 - 60 km/h (if the driver not speeding) and compare with initial speed of 60 - 100 km/h.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 10:20 AM)
Based on driver's statement it is over 1 km from the onset of alleged brake system failure to the roll over event. I wonder how much speed will the bus pick up going downhill along that 1 km stretch with initial speed of 40 - 60 km/h (if the driver not speeding) and compare with initial speed of 60 - 100 km/h.
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Depends on the gradient of the slope. It can be estimated
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Kalau driver type C

3 jam hukum mati dah

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Depends on the gradient of the slope. It can be estimated
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I know you can estimate the speed using:

V(i+1) = V(i) - [(0.5•air_density•Cd•frontal_area•V(i)^2 + mass•9.81•Crr(temp, air pressure, road conditions, etc) + mass•9.81•sin(-theta(i))) ÷ (kr•mass)]•∆t

Maybe add the engine braking as well in whatever gear the bus was in when driver said he can no longer downshift. Need theta, the road gradient as function of distance too.

But, this is just showing how the bus would behave if it is rolling downhill without brake and can't downshift. There is no way to validate this estimation without some speed data which can perhaps be extracted from dashcam videos of the bus going downhill through that 1km plus stretch.

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 09:41 AM)
She is directly sitting behind the driver. Based on this interview by tv3, it looks like brake failure. The visual static inspection so far reveals nothing abnormal with the air brake system from the air tanks, hose going to brake chambers, brake lining wear, etc. Still preliminary and I don't know why that minister make that statement so early. Maybe his head is on the chopping board as well so it is just convenient for him to use whatever little information he has  to taichi and find a scapegoat.

I am not saying the driver is not at fault at all. But considering this interview and statement by the driver maybe it is best not to make early conclusion.
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such a bs story

cannot downshift to decelerate? rocket engine ka cannot slow down
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QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jun 14 2025, 11:51 PM)
Kalau driver type C tahun lepas lagi semboyan terbalikkan bas bakor bakor rumah bantai mak dia
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QUOTE(bigduck @ Jun 15 2025, 11:45 AM)
such a bs story

cannot downshift to decelerate? rocket engine ka cannot slow down
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Bullshit or not you think the bus same as car? Look at the clutch booster air supply coming from where. Explain to us in technical details how it works since you are an expert in hino bus system.

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 10:37 AM)
I know you can estimate the speed using:

V(i+1) = V(i) - [(0.5•air_density•Cd•frontal_area•V(i)^2 + mass•9.81•Crr(temp, air pressure, road conditions, etc) + mass•9.81•sin(-theta(i))) ÷ (kr•mass)]•∆t

Maybe add the engine braking as well in whatever gear the bus was in when driver said he can no longer downshift. Need theta, the road gradient as function of distance too.

But, this is just showing how the bus would behave if it is rolling downhill without brake and can't downshift. There is no way to validate this estimation without some speed data which can perhaps be extracted from dashcam videos of the bus going downhill through that 1km plus stretch.
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If foot off gas pedal still will accelerate at 5% gradient 1km road?
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 08:56 AM)
How do you come up with this? Who would have the motive to sabotage and cover up? Doesn't make sense at all.
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I do not doubt the witness testimony that she heard the driver shouting the brakes were not working. Now why would he do so if that was not true? So there are only 2 possibilities . Either the brakes were truly non functional or he was just pretending to say so in which case the driver is complicit in a plan to sabotage the bus.
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QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Jun 15 2025, 12:42 PM)
If foot off gas pedal still will accelerate at 5% gradient 1km road?
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depends on the term of mass•9.81•sin(-theta(i)) if it is higher than the first two terms of 0.5•air_density•Cd•frontal_area•V(i)^2 + mass•9.81•Crr(temp, air pressure, road conditions, etc)... plus maybe the engine braking effect in whatever gear it was.

If the last term mass•9.81•sin(-theta(i)) is higher, then the vehicle will pick up speed until the point it reaches equilibrium where summation of forces are zero.

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Driver just say lah.....tiba tiba nampak hantu. Easier coz nothing to investigate.
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QUOTE(SharpSword @ Jun 15 2025, 12:51 PM)
I do not doubt the witness testimony that she heard the driver shouting the brakes were not working. Now why would he do so if that was not true? So there are only 2 possibilities . Either the brakes were truly non functional or he was just pretending to say so in which case the driver is complicit  in a plan to sabotage  the bus.
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You know that this is very unlikely unless the driver is on a suicide mission.

I think the investigation is being rushed up as they need to find a scapegoat fast given the public interest of this high profile incident. The obvious thing is we need a much better monitoring and intervention system and it is way overdue.

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You know that this is very unlikely unless the driver is on a suicide mission.

I think the investigation is being rushed up as they need to find a scapegoat fast given the public interest of this high profile incident. The obvious thing is we need a much better monitoring and intervention system and it is way overdue.
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Then this leads us to the next unpleasant question as to why Anthony Loke is jumping the gun to make statement on Puspakom finding the brake was functional? Does he know where his mouth is leading him to? Why so quick to brush off mechanical failure as the cause? This is what is reported in the media. I got this hunch there is something not quite right with how this whole narrative is unfolding as if it is scripted such.

.scapegoat? This is human lives we are talking about including that of the driver if he ends up as scapegoat. The govt should seek the TRUTH and not conveniently look for scapegoat. It could have been any of us.

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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 12:41 AM)
Just ask your kelantan or terengganu friend to translate this tv3 interview. The lady was sitting right behind the driver.

tv3 interview

Full Interview Transcript (English Translation):

Reporter: Can you share your position in the bus?

Zaty: I was seated behind the driver, the front most seat on the right-hand side. I was asleep since we left Jerteh — slept all the way. Before the incident happened, I woke up. I felt something was wrong. Why was the bus going so fast? But at that time, I just thought positively (husnozon?).

The speed felt odd, especially going downhill toward Gerik. Next to me, there was a handrail in the bus; I grabbed it because it was going really fast. I nudged the person next to me, held her hand. The bus was speeding out of control — no brakes, nothing could be done.

Reporter: So you already noticed the bus was swaying or unstable?

Zaty: Yes, it felt unstable because the driver was swerving to avoid cars. With that speed, he was avoiding cars. I thought to myself, “Why is he swerving so fast?”

I heard the driver and the assistant shouting. The driver said, “I can’t do anything anymore… I’ve pressed the air (brake), I’ve pressed the brakes!”

At that moment, I couldn’t do anything; there was a big lorry ahead. The bus was speeding — I held the rail tightly. Luckily, he managed to avoid the lorry, but right after that, there was a bend and cars in front and traffic jam. He had lost control… eventually the bus overturned.

When I opened my eyes, I was already on the floor. I immediately got out; I left everything behind. My body was shaking as I got out of the bus.

Reporter: It was early morning, before dawn. Did you manage to scream or wake anyone up at the back?

Zaty: I couldn’t. I only managed to shake the person next to me. I couldn’t say anything because of the speed. She asked me, “Why is it so fast?” I didn’t know. I just held onto her.
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None of these is brake light?
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We need driver to swear on u know what to proof his innocense
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This is just one driver

Meanwhile everyday so many bua and lorry driver drive like shit and on drugs, never got caught, never got unlucky, just a ticking time bomb for murder


Got law pun tak guna if no one is there ti enforxe it

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Police keluar statement?

Like i said, you can mark or tag the hardware. Only the matter of wilingness
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Police got query about the report?

Not the matter of willingness, is no point to do such things.

You mark or tag it, what if the company said i changed it due to breakdown?




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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 15 2025, 01:13 PM)
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None of these is brake light?
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Bro, the brake light connect to brake pedal switch. Even if there is no air pressure going to brake chamber the brake light is still going to turn on as it is connected to brake pedal switch... Not the actual actuator mechanism at the wheels.
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QUOTE(SharpSword @ Jun 15 2025, 01:09 PM)
Then this leads us to the next unpleasant question as to why Anthony Loke is jumping the gun to make statement on Puspakom finding the brake was functional? Does he know where his mouth is leading him to? Why so quick to brush mechanical failure as the cause? This is what is reported in the media. I got this hunch there is something not quite right with how this whole narrative is unfolding as if it is scripted such.

.scapegoat? This is human lives we are talking about including that of the driver if he ends up as scapegoat. The govt should seek the TRUTH and not conveniently look for scapegoat. It could have been any of us.
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I agree with you about he is jumping the gun as there is no way they can do more at this point beyond just visual inspection. Maybe he feels that his head is on the chopping block as he need to explain quickly to the public. What's more important is to do thorough forensic investigation and get the eyewitness account especially the ones just behind the driver.

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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 15 2025, 01:23 PM)
Police got query about the report?

Not the matter of willingness, is no point to do such things.

You mark or tag it, what if the company said i changed it due to breakdown?
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Then if accident happent, their inspection result is invalid / puspakom released from responsibilities. Simple enough
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QUOTE(chuan88 @ Jun 15 2025, 01:13 PM)
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None of these is brake light?
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Hahahhaahah obviously you have 0 knowledge of vehicle mechanical stuff
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Hahahhaahah obviously you have 0 knowledge of vehicle mechanical stuff
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QUOTE(~min~ @ Jun 15 2025, 01:51 PM)
Then if accident happent, their inspection result is invalid / puspakom released from responsibilities.  Simple enough
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If you stated as that, let's see what's next legal action will taken to Puspakom.

So far, i didn't see any of it.

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Driver just say lah.....tiba tiba nampak hantu. Easier coz nothing to investigate.
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😂😅🤣 won't be surprised, religion card, oku card they can also use. This is meleisia. Meanwhile in plus highway see them going 120, 130kmh normal.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 12:13 PM)
Bullshit or not you think the bus same as car? Look at the clutch booster air supply coming from where. Explain to us in technical details how it works since you are an expert in hino bus system.

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great pics of bus parts and math formula

got formula to explain the 18 traffic summons?

don’t need to act smart just because you attended a course in engineering
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Should we bring third party to audit ?
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Should we bring third party to audit ?
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great pics of bus parts and math formula

got formula to explain the 18 traffic summons?

don’t need to act smart just because you attended a course in engineering
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You go ask Rafizi to explain your formula if you have any. Teach us then if you attended more than just a course in engineering.

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You go ask Rafizi to explain your formula if you have any. Teach us then if you attended more than just a course in engineering.
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keep calculating
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Well. Keep your bs yourself. You are the expert saying bs why cant downshift, it is not rocket science bla³... When I gave you the schematic, nothing... cant explain anything...

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Well. Keep your bs yourself. You are the expert saying bs why cant downshift, it is not rocket science bla³... When I gave you the schematic, nothing... cant explain anything...
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Your confidence lol

Wait till outcome
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 09:41 AM)
She is directly sitting behind the driver. Based on this interview by tv3, it looks like brake failure. The visual static inspection so far reveals nothing abnormal with the air brake system from the air tanks, hose going to brake chambers, brake lining wear, etc. Still preliminary and I don't know why that minister make that statement so early. Maybe his head is on the chopping board as well so it is just convenient for him to use whatever little information he has  to taichi and find a scapegoat.

I am not saying the driver is not at fault at all. But considering this interview and statement by the driver maybe it is best not to make early conclusion.
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The tv3 girl can't save the driver much. If they dare to charge him it means the bus attendant also said something against the driver already together with the puspakom or forensic report that cannot detect any brake issues.

The only way to save him is expert like you to check the bus again and prove the brake has issue. Usually if accused is not rich, justice can less likely be done because getting good lawyer and experts very expensive.
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 16 2025, 03:41 AM)
The tv3 girl can't save the driver much. If they dare to charge him it means the bus attendant also said something against the driver already together with the puspakom or forensic report that cannot detect any brake issues.

The only way to save him is expert like you to check the bus again and prove the brake has issue. Usually if accused is not rich, justice can less likely be done because getting good lawyer and experts very expensive.
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There is no news on the injury status of the co-driver/ attendant. If he is still in the hospital it is kinda premature to take statement from him until he is discharged.

It is not about saving the driver, but I just feel something is off about how all these are rushed up. Public interests is at an all time high, authorities feeling the heat but more than anything upholding the principle of justice and fairness must include thorough forensic investigation, which I think is not sufficiently done at the moment.

I don't think anyone from the public will have access to the bus without court order and appointment by the prosecutor or the defendant lawyer.

This post has been edited by KarchKiraly: Jun 16 2025, 04:24 AM
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QUOTE(kimochi ii @ Jun 16 2025, 02:45 AM)
Your confidence lol

Wait till outcome
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Why do you quote this? I didnt respond to you about downshifting rocket science. The other guy calling bs about things he doesn't know much about is what I was responding to. Maybe you are his dupe and forgot to switch account...

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QUOTE(Blackops981 @ Jun 14 2025, 05:02 PM)
Who/ what can he blame next?

1. DAP
2. PMX
3. Tires

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4) road
5) no street light
6) jkr
7) ghost

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QUOTE(WongTheThief @ Jun 14 2025, 10:19 PM)
can already see in this thread that some still wanna defend that stupid driver  laugh.gif

18 summons and also the video evidence of him crashing, still wanna believe that dumb bus driver? biggrin.gif
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Exactly. Only stupid people will defend their own. Suddenly reminded me of the basikal lajak case, defend kids illegal racing bicycle at wee hour..
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Fuhhhh, bas expert pun ada. nowonder ppl call this university of K
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and now the driver is out on bail
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 15 2025, 12:41 AM)
Just ask your kelantan or terengganu friend to translate this tv3 interview. The lady was sitting right behind the driver.

tv3 interview

Full Interview Transcript (English Translation):

Reporter: Can you share your position in the bus?

Zaty: I was seated behind the driver, the front most seat on the right-hand side. I was asleep since we left Jerteh — slept all the way. Before the incident happened, I woke up. I felt something was wrong. Why was the bus going so fast? But at that time, I just thought positively (husnozon?).

The speed felt odd, especially going downhill toward Gerik. Next to me, there was a handrail in the bus; I grabbed it because it was going really fast. I nudged the person next to me, held her hand. The bus was speeding out of control — no brakes, nothing could be done.

Reporter: So you already noticed the bus was swaying or unstable?

Zaty: Yes, it felt unstable because the driver was swerving to avoid cars. With that speed, he was avoiding cars. I thought to myself, “Why is he swerving so fast?”

I heard the driver and the assistant shouting. The driver said, “I can’t do anything anymore… I’ve pressed the air (brake), I’ve pressed the brakes!”

At that moment, I couldn’t do anything; there was a big lorry ahead. The bus was speeding — I held the rail tightly. Luckily, he managed to avoid the lorry, but right after that, there was a bend and cars in front and traffic jam. He had lost control… eventually the bus overturned.

When I opened my eyes, I was already on the floor. I immediately got out; I left everything behind. My body was shaking as I got out of the bus.

Reporter: It was early morning, before dawn. Did you manage to scream or wake anyone up at the back?

Zaty: I couldn’t. I only managed to shake the person next to me. I couldn’t say anything because of the speed. She asked me, “Why is it so fast?” I didn’t know. I just held onto her.
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Brake fade la.... brake system tested good aftter crashed cause everything cooled already




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QUOTE(Virlution @ Jun 16 2025, 07:48 AM)
Brake fade la.... brake system tested good aftter crashed cause everything cooled already


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hello, our resident bus expert KarchKiraly, does hino bus experience brake fade?

pls include that in your calculation ya. can't wait to see what bs you whip up again
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QUOTE(ramdieslow @ Jun 14 2025, 04:58 PM)
Driver tu alhamdulillah baik. Ore kito. Mana penah kena saman sepanjang kerjaya

Historically pn kalau xsalah dia bawak 70kmph je

Video tu napok laju sebab mungkin agenda Yahudi busuk hati nak percepat

Cuba kalau dia ada 20 saman, atau bawak 140kmph, confirm la semboyan berbunyi dgn protes kt Sogo. Atau kedutaan merika. Perhimpunan membantah munafik bawak mcm pelesit
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Gang drebad bus la ni.
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QUOTE(KarchKiraly @ Jun 16 2025, 04:24 AM)
There is no news on the injury status of the co-driver/ attendant. If he is still in the hospital it is kinda premature to take statement from him until he is discharged.

It is not about saving the driver, but I just feel something is off about how all these are rushed up. Public interests is at an all time high, authorities feeling the heat but more than anything upholding the principle of justice and fairness must include thorough forensic investigation, which I think is not sufficiently done at the moment.

I don't think anyone from the public will have access to the bus without court order and appointment by the prosecutor or the defendant lawyer.

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Its not rush. Usually the next mention from now is 1-2 months so they have ample time to prepare a full forensic report. Since the driver is discharged from hospital they have to arrest and charge him fast so that he cannot run away to Thailand.

The prosecution can still release him if the full report shows brake issues. If brake issue was found still can charge too because have witnesses said he went down the check the bus? Knowing/suspecting the brake has problem but still continue to drive are reckless and criminal negligence too.
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QUOTE(bigduck @ Jun 16 2025, 08:17 AM)
hello, our resident bus expert KarchKiraly, does hino bus experience brake fade?

pls include that in your calculation ya. can't wait to see what bs you whip up again
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Yes you can include brake fade effect if you model the coefficient of friction as function of temperature. And the rise in temperature can be modeled too as lump mass model with thermal resistances add in considering all 3 forms of heat transfer, ambient conditions and vehicle velocity.

I know my stuff. Now, explain your bs rocket science downshifting in hino buses please. The ball is in your court.
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QUOTE(ramdieslow @ Jun 14 2025, 05:58 PM)
Driver tu alhamdulillah baik. Ore kito. Mana penah kena saman sepanjang kerjaya

Historically pn kalau xsalah dia bawak 70kmph je

Video tu napok laju sebab mungkin agenda Yahudi busuk hati nak percepat

Cuba kalau dia ada 20 saman, atau bawak 140kmph, confirm la semboyan berbunyi dgn protes kt Sogo. Atau kedutaan merika. Perhimpunan membantah munafik bawak mcm pelesit
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sogo lesgo
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QUOTE(Schumacher @ Jun 16 2025, 10:48 AM)
Its not rush. Usually the next mention from now is 1-2 months so they have ample time to prepare a full forensic report. Since the driver is discharged from hospital they have to arrest and charge him fast so that he cannot run away to Thailand.

The prosecution can still release him if the full report shows brake issues. If brake issue was found still can charge too because have witnesses said he went down the check the bus? Knowing/suspecting the brake has problem but still continue to drive are reckless and criminal negligence too.
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I heard the co-driver injury is critical, so most likely he hasn't given statement yet til his condition is stable. So, maybe your explanation make sense that they have to arrest and charge him first. I do think that he somewhat knew that the air compressor performance degrading, but since this type of bus is maybe not new (usually express bus retired to become bas persiaran, then bas persiaran retired to become bas pekerja), we have no idea what changes were made to the existing air brake system and replacement of parts. And he is the replacement driver, so he might not be that familiar with this bus.

My main interest is to find the truth and the cause of the incident.
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i want to see the driver muka after this news..ada otak, tapi sayangnya otak tu sekadar hiasan je.

 

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