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icemanfx
post Jun 15 2025, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(R0ADTAX @ Jun 15 2025, 07:18 PM)
Really? You think PTPTN is some magical solution that erases the crushing weight of living costs and job market barriers? The reality is, B40s are drowning in debt before they even get a chance to start their careers. And sure, everyone gets a place in public university, but have you seen how competitive it is to even get into certain courses? The fact that you’re cherry-picking the simplest, most idealized examples just shows how disconnected you are from the struggle.

Oh, and don't act like government hospitals are 'literally free' — sure, the initial consultation might be, but have you seen how long people have to wait for basic treatment? If your idea of healthcare is waiting in line for hours, then sure, it’s all great. But let’s not forget about the hidden costs that come with basic care. Plus, B40s don’t have the luxury of extra time or flexibility to wait in these overcrowded facilities. The reality is, healthcare for them is far from ‘free’; it’s a fight for survival.

As for your ‘under RM 200k apartments’? Good luck finding one that's even remotely livable in a place that isn't 30km outside the city. And don’t even get me started on the job market — B40 people don’t have the luxury of being ‘selective’. They’re competing for crumbs while the T20s get the prime cuts handed to them. The difference? The B40 don’t have connections, credentials, or capital to secure those high-paying jobs. They’re already stuck in a cycle before they even step into the workforce.

B40 don’t need your judgmental, ‘just try harder’ attitude. They need a system that’s not rigged against them. You can keep blaming the victims, but it won’t change the fact that the playing field is slanted and the rules are stacked.
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As usual, b40 wants easy and lazy way out, didn't even make any effort but blame everyone else for their own failure.

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post Jun 15 2025, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 15 2025, 07:20 PM)
As usual, b40 wants easy and lazy way out, blame everyone else for their own failure.
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the tired old ‘B40 wants an easy way out’ rhetoric. If you think the B40 are looking for an ‘easy way out’, then you clearly have zero understanding of the reality they face every day. B40 don’t get to ‘blame everyone else for their failure’—they’re too busy surviving in a system designed to keep them down. They’re fighting against poor education, lack of opportunities, low wages, and an ever-rising cost of living while you sit there looking down on them, claiming they’re just ‘lazy’.

The truth is, B40 are stuck in a cycle they can’t escape from—through no fault of their own. You think working multiple jobs while barely scraping by is 'lazy'? You think living paycheck to paycheck while watching others waste their wealth and privilege is ‘failure’? If that’s how you see it, then you’ve completely missed the point. It’s not about taking the 'easy way out'; it’s about fighting a battle when the odds are rigged against you from the start.

The reality is, the B40 aren’t asking for handouts—they’re asking for fairness. They don’t want ‘easy’—they want a chance. But that’s too much to ask in a system where the rich keep getting richer, and the poor keep getting blamed for their own poverty. So keep talking down to them, but remember: every time you blame them, you only expose your own ignorance and privilege.
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post Jun 15 2025, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(vassilius @ Jun 15 2025, 07:22 PM)
Bifotis sit quietly? Don't mencibai laa sei sohai...
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Denial much? B40 doesn’t sit quietly because they can’t afford to. If you actually opened your eyes, you’d see the daily grind they go through just to keep their heads above water. The idea that they 'sit quietly' is a myth created by people who’ve never had to experience the real struggles of living paycheck to paycheck. They’re the ones raising their voices in protest for better wages, better living conditions, and for a fair shot at success.

You can keep ignoring it, but the truth is, B40 are the ones fighting for change — the ones that are protesting for better treatment and calling out the systems that keep them in poverty. So don’t sit there acting like they’re passive. They may not have the luxury of making noise in the same way the privileged do, but trust me, their struggles speak louder than any Instagram story you can post.
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post Jun 15 2025, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(R0ADTAX @ Jun 15 2025, 07:24 PM)
the tired old ‘B40 wants an easy way out’ rhetoric. If you think the B40 are looking for an ‘easy way out’, then you clearly have zero understanding of the reality they face every day. B40 don’t get to ‘blame everyone else for their failure’—they’re too busy surviving in a system designed to keep them down. They’re fighting against poor education, lack of opportunities, low wages, and an ever-rising cost of living while you sit there looking down on them, claiming they’re just ‘lazy’.

The truth is, B40 are stuck in a cycle they can’t escape from—through no fault of their own. You think working multiple jobs while barely scraping by is 'lazy'? You think living paycheck to paycheck while watching others waste their wealth and privilege is ‘failure’? If that’s how you see it, then you’ve completely missed the point. It’s not about taking the 'easy way out'; it’s about fighting a battle when the odds are rigged against you from the start.

The reality is, the B40 aren’t asking for handouts—they’re asking for fairness. They don’t want ‘easy’—they want a chance. But that’s too much to ask in a system where the rich keep getting richer, and the poor keep getting blamed for their own poverty. So keep talking down to them, but remember: every time you blame them, you only expose your own ignorance and privilege.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 15 2025, 07:29 PM)
Capitalism is fair, anyone make enough effort could be rich and wealthy.
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That’s adorable. Sure, if you live in a fantasy world where everyone starts with the same opportunities and resources. But guess what? Not everyone’s playing on a level field. Some people are born with silver spoons in their mouths, while others are stuck scraping by just to make ends meet. The reality is, capitalism rewards those who already have power, wealth, and access, while the rest of us are left to fight over the crumbs.

‘Make enough effort and you could be rich’? That’s a nice little fairy tale, but it ignores the fact that many people don’t have access to the same education, job opportunities, or even basic necessities to succeed. Capitalism isn’t about fairness — it’s about maximizing profits for the rich at the expense of everyone else. So stop parroting that ‘pull yourself up by your bootstraps’ nonsense and face the fact that not everyone can ‘make enough effort’ when the game is rigged from the start.
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QUOTE(R0ADTAX @ Jun 15 2025, 07:32 PM)
That’s adorable. Sure, if you live in a fantasy world where everyone starts with the same opportunities and resources. But guess what? Not everyone’s playing on a level field. Some people are born with silver spoons in their mouths, while others are stuck scraping by just to make ends meet. The reality is, capitalism rewards those who already have power, wealth, and access, while the rest of us are left to fight over the crumbs.

‘Make enough effort and you could be rich’? That’s a nice little fairy tale, but it ignores the fact that many people don’t have access to the same education, job opportunities, or even basic necessities to succeed. Capitalism isn’t about fairness — it’s about maximizing profits for the rich at the expense of everyone else. So stop parroting that ‘pull yourself up by your bootstraps’ nonsense and face the fact that not everyone can ‘make enough effort’ when the game is rigged from the start.
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Most Malaysian forefathers were farmers, hard labourers, etc. those made to T20 because of hard work.


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post Jun 15 2025, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 15 2025, 07:35 PM)
Most Malaysian forefathers were farmers, hard labourers, etc. those made to T20 because of hard work.
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so now we're romanticizing the past, huh? Sure, the forefathers worked hard — but let’s not pretend like it was the same playing field back then. They worked their butts off, yes, but they didn’t have to compete with the current system of elitism, monopolies, and an economy that favors the rich. Hard work alone doesn’t guarantee success, especially when the system is designed to keep wealth concentrated in the hands of a few.

Let’s be real: if hard work was the only key to wealth, the majority of B40 would already be in the T20 by now. But nope, the truth is, a lot of those who made it into the T20 didn’t just get there through ‘hard work’ — they got there with the right connections, resources, and opportunities. It’s easy to say ‘hard work pays off’ when you’ve never had to struggle for basic needs or fight against systemic barriers.

So stop romanticizing the past and pretending that everyone has the same chances today. Hard work is important, but so is opportunity — and not everyone gets the same shot at it.
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post Jun 15 2025, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(R0ADTAX @ Jun 15 2025, 06:55 PM)
Another essay dripping with fragile defensiveness and zero self-awareness.

– “Nobody is flexing tax payments.”
You literally wrote paragraph after paragraph just to remind everyone how much tax you supposedly pay. If that’s not a flex, what is it? A humblebrag?

– “Why do you victimize yourself?”
Ah, the classic move — accuse others of victimhood while writing a 400-word meltdown about being unfairly “blamed.”
Bro, if the shoe doesn’t fit, why are you limping?

– “T20 isn’t leeching.”
You enjoy subsidies meant for struggling households.
You hoard opportunities and still cry when anyone asks you to contribute more.
You’re not leeching? You’re just calling it “entitlement with receipts.”

– “Nice try trying to divert.”
Projection again. You’re not countering — you’re spiraling.
Instead of addressing inequality, you went full rant mode about how you’re the real victim here.

Nobody said every T20 is evil. But when you’re more upset about being criticized than about actual economic disparity — you’re proving the point.

the T20 victim complex in full display.

Funny how you claim I'm “playing victim” while writing a whole essay about how T20 are being unfairly blamed, misrepresented, and misunderstood.
So who's really throwing a tantrum here?

You asked:

“Where is the T20 throwing tantrums?”

📌 Right here — in your comments.
Paragraphs of rage, projection, and deflection over one thread calling out economic imbalance.

Let’s not pretend:
– You did bring up your tax bills like a badge of honor.
– You did accuse people of being “cybertroopers” and “whiners.”
– You are mad that someone dared to challenge your position at the top of the pyramid.

And now that you're getting pushback, you scream “Ragebait!”
That’s not an argument. That’s a coping mechanism.

So no — this isn't victimhood.
This is a mirror. And if what you see makes you uncomfortable, maybe the problem isn’t the reflection.
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You literally wrote paragraph after paragraph just to remind everyone how much tax you supposedly pay. If that’s not a flex, what is it? A humblebrag?


2nd time. That is to prove you wrong saying that T20 is leaching the system.
Seems you cannot remember let me make this big for the rest of the audience.

QUOTE(R0ADTAX @ Jun 14 2025, 12:22 PM)


That’s not contribution. That’s leeching.

R0ADTAX claimed:- T20 is leeching the system.
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Ah, the classic move — accuse others of victimhood while writing a 400-word meltdown about being unfairly “blamed.”
Bro, if the shoe doesn’t fit, why are you limping?


LOL, people can read your statements , and it is obvious you want to victimize yourself and blame the T20 . LOL. Continue denying.

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📌 Right here — in your comments.
Paragraphs of rage, projection, and deflection over one thread calling out economic imbalance.

Let’s not pretend:
– You did bring up your tax bills like a badge of honor.
– You did accuse people of being “cybertroopers” and “whiners.”
– You are mad that someone dared to challenge your position at the top of the pyramid.

And now that you're getting pushback, you scream “Ragebait!”
That’s not an argument. That’s a coping mechanism.
Ah so all my counter arguments to your inaccurate statements is called throwing tantrums.
So when you start a post whining about how T20 took b40 opportunities, that is not throwing tantrums , only any statements that counters your statements is called throwing tantrums. Got it.
This reminds me of the Palestine issue... attack people first and then when get attacked , claim victim.
Looks like I have black and white on this behaviour.

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– “T20 isn’t leeching.”
You enjoy subsidies meant for struggling households.
You hoard opportunities and still cry when anyone asks you to contribute more.
You’re not leeching? You’re just calling it “entitlement with receipts.”


LOL. Enjoy subsidies is leeching but demanding T20 to subsidize B40 is not leeching. LOL.

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You hoard opportunities and still cry when anyone asks you to contribute more.


how does T20 hoard opportunities. Give up their job and give it to a b40. LOL.
Just say you want more tongkat. Go and ask from your politicians.

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You’re not leeching? You’re just calling it “entitlement with receipts.

Yaya. People pay tax that subsidizes B40 and allow B40 not to pay tax you complain that is leeching.
Let me guess:- you're going to call my counterargument whining.
You brought it up and accuse first but that is not whining.


But seriously, you're doing a bad job trying to victimize yourself.
The more you post the more people think on how entitled you are.



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QUOTE(R0ADTAX @ Jun 15 2025, 06:59 PM)
the classic pretending to be rich defense mechanism – throw around insults and label anyone who dares to call out the system as ‘pathetic’ or ‘lazy’. Nice try, but that weak ‘lazy B40’ argument isn’t fooling anyone. Funny how you’re so quick to accuse others of ‘whining’, but instead of addressing the actual points I raised, you resort to petty personal attacks. How typical.

I’m not here begging for handouts, I’m calling out your arrogance and the way you flex your so-called ‘superiority’ while pretending like your wealth doesn’t come with its own set of privileges. You want to talk about entitlement? The only ones entitled here are those who think that because they’ve got money, they’re somehow morally above others. Newsflash: paying taxes and zakat doesn’t make you some kind of saint, it just means you’re fulfilling your basic civic duties, not earning a medal for ‘selflessness’.

If you really think insulting people who earn less than you somehow makes you ‘powerful’, then congratulations, you’ve mastered the art of insecurity. Maybe instead of barking at others, take a long hard look at how your ‘humility’ went missing along with your common sense. Keep flexing your overpriced coffee machines while pretending you know anything about struggle. It’s honestly pathetic how you can’t see the bigger picture.
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Mental agaknya TS ni. Panjang putar belit bjt tldr. You need psychiatry assessment really.
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National level T20 income starts at what? RM11,820? Thats low.

Life at entry level T20 is still very challenging..Huge financial insecurities. So still got rage like other lower classes.

Only when reach T1 level income, will life be calm. At least on the financial aspect of life. But not many can reach this level. 1 in a 100 to be precise.

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QUOTE(R0ADTAX @ Jun 15 2025, 07:38 PM)
so now we're romanticizing the past, huh? Sure, the forefathers worked hard — but let’s not pretend like it was the same playing field back then. They worked their butts off, yes, but they didn’t have to compete with the current system of elitism, monopolies, and an economy that favors the rich. Hard work alone doesn’t guarantee success, especially when the system is designed to keep wealth concentrated in the hands of a few.

Let’s be real: if hard work was the only key to wealth, the majority of B40 would already be in the T20 by now. But nope, the truth is, a lot of those who made it into the T20 didn’t just get there through ‘hard work’ — they got there with the right connections, resources, and opportunities. It’s easy to say ‘hard work pays off’ when you’ve never had to struggle for basic needs or fight against systemic barriers.

So stop romanticizing the past and pretending that everyone has the same chances today. Hard work is important, but so is opportunity — and not everyone gets the same shot at it.
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B40 blame everyone else but themselves for their failure.

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B40s:
- Lek lu, sap kok lu
- >5 kids
- everything is other people's fault
- no financial planning, buying based on emotion and the need to show off
- refuses to be fluent in english, bahasa penjajah
- does not want to leave comfort zone

T20s:
- Understands the importance of English.
- Tries to understand the game, and when they do, they realize that some paths are more rewarding than others, instead of just slogging at it hoping to get promoted at a low reward path
- Always tries to go to MNCs, where fluent english is a must if you want to move up
- <2 kids
- Plans finances, has savings and investments because finances are planned

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not sure who trolling who anymore the deeper I go into this thread
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QUOTE(hakimix @ Jun 16 2025, 02:09 PM)
not sure who trolling who anymore the deeper I go into this thread
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Yes

And the irony is I think TS is definitely in the T category kek

I remember he pawn someone before.
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 16 2025, 02:10 PM)
Yes

And the irony is I think TS is definitely in the T category kek

I remember he pawn someone before.
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That kind of thinking cannot be T cat la..
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QUOTE(Drian @ Jun 15 2025, 08:59 PM)
2nd time. That is to prove you wrong saying that T20 is leaching the system.
Seems you cannot remember let me make this big for the rest of the audience.
LOL, people can read your statements , and it is obvious you want to victimize yourself and blame the T20 . LOL. Continue denying. 
Ah so all my counter arguments to your inaccurate statements is called throwing tantrums.
So when you start a post whining about how T20 took b40 opportunities, that is not throwing tantrums  , only any statements that counters your statements is called throwing tantrums. Got it.
This reminds me of the Palestine issue... attack people first and then when get attacked , claim victim. 
Looks like I have black and white on this behaviour.
LOL. Enjoy subsidies is leeching but demanding T20 to  subsidize B40 is not leeching. LOL.
how does T20 hoard opportunities. Give up their job and give it to a b40. LOL.
Just say you want more tongkat. Go and ask from your politicians.
Yaya. People pay tax that subsidizes B40 and allow B40 not to pay tax you complain that is leeching. 
Let me guess:- you're going to call my counterargument whining.
You brought it up and accuse first but that is not whining.
But seriously, you're doing a bad job trying to victimize yourself.
The more you post the more people think on how entitled you are.
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the T20 Defence League is back — armed with “LOL”s, false equivalences, and enough gaslighting to light up a blackout.

You wrote an essay trying to twist basic inequality into B40 victim cosplay — and somehow still managed to sound like a walking tax invoice with a superiority complex.

Let’s dissect this nonsense, shall we?

🧠 T20 isn’t leeching?
Then explain how the same group that guzzles RON95, floods public hospitals, and uses every gov-linked crony contract available still cries when subsidies are restructured — but calls B40 entitled for wanting affordable living. That’s not contribution — that’s parasite energy in designer clothes.

📢 “Give up your job to B40? LOL.”
No one asked for your job — we’re asking for a fair playing field, not a pity hire. You act like you're where you are purely from merit, but deep down you know it’s a cocktail of connections, inheritance, and timing. B40 doesn’t want your position — they want the same access you take for granted.

🪞 “Stop victimizing yourself.”
You say that while performing a full meltdown over a post that dares to point out T20’s chokehold on resources. You’re not countering — you're projecting. And that Palestine comparison? Unhinged. Comparing economic critique to a literal genocide? That’s not an argument, that’s you reaching so hard you dislocated your dignity.

And yes — your comment?
Absolutely whining.
You sound like someone who got told the truth for the first time and didn’t like how it tasted without caviar.

Bottom line:
Being rich doesn’t automatically make you the villain. But acting like you built Malaysia while stepping over those who actually did? That’s exactly why people are calling it out.

So go on. Keep “LOL”-ing.
The rest of us are reading your comments and seeing exactly what privilege without self-awareness looks like.

QUOTE(fist_Aileron @ Jun 15 2025, 09:27 PM)
Mental agaknya TS ni. Panjang  putar belit bjt tldr. You need psychiatry assessment really.
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we’ve reached the classic “kau gila” fallback — the intellectual death rattle of someone with zero arguments left.

When facts make you uncomfortable, just call people mental, right?
Because heaven forbid someone questions your throne of privilege — suddenly it's "go get psychiatric help." Real original.

Let me guess — next reply will be:
“TS triggered 😭 go cry more” — because that’s all you’ve got when your ego gets body-slammed by reality.

Here’s the thing:
Calling people crazy isn’t a rebuttal. It’s a cheap cop-out used when you’re too fragile to deal with uncomfortable truths.
And ironically, you’re the one obsessively replying to every point like it’s a personal attack on your bloodline — so who really needs the psych eval here?

But hey, thanks for showing the audience how fast entitlement turns into mockery and ableism the second someone challenges your bubble.
T20 flexing their education and then resorting to primary school-level insults — poetic.

Keep going. Every comment you make proves the point better than I ever could. 💅

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 15 2025, 11:47 PM)
B40 blame everyone else but themselves for their failure.
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the lazy blame-the-poor narrative makes another grand entrance.

“B40 blame everyone but themselves.”
No, B40 blame a system that was never designed for them to win — and you hate that they finally found the courage to speak up instead of quietly suffering while you enjoy the benefits of a rigged game.

Let’s talk about blame:

Who underfunded rural schools?
Who kept wages low while inflation soared?
Who hoarded contracts, monopolies, and land through cronies and connections?
It wasn’t B40.

But when they raise these truths, suddenly it's "you're just blaming others."
Funny how it’s only called “blaming” when poor people talk about injustice — but when T20 complains about traffic, taxes, and fuel prices? That’s “valid frustration.”

You want B40 to take “personal responsibility”?
Fine. They already are. They wake up at 5AM, work multiple jobs, eat less so their kids can eat, and get crushed by bills you can pay off with a week’s GrabFood budget.

Meanwhile, you sit there with your prepaid privilege talking about “failure” like you built your life from scratch — when the truth is, your biggest achievement was being born with a net under you.

So no — B40 isn’t “blaming everyone.”
They’re finally naming the system that’s been blaming them for decades.
And that makes you uncomfortable — because deep down, you know they’re right.

QUOTE(jaapers @ Jun 16 2025, 02:58 AM)
B40s:
- Lek lu, sap kok lu
- >5 kids
- everything is other people's fault
- no financial planning, buying based on emotion and the need to show off
- refuses to be fluent in english, bahasa penjajah
- does not want to leave comfort zone

T20s:
- Understands the importance of English. 
- Tries to understand the game, and when they do, they realize that some paths are more rewarding than others,  instead of just slogging at it hoping to get promoted at a low reward path
- Always tries to go to MNCs, where fluent english is a must if you want to move up
- <2 kids
- Plans finances, has savings and investments because finances are planned
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Oh look a PowerPoint presentation disguised as a personality, complete with the classic “B40 bad, T20 enlightened” bingo card. Let’s tear it apart.

🚨 "B40: sap kok lu, >5 kids, no financial planning, refuses English…”
You mean the group juggling multiple jobs, surviving on RM1,500/month, raising entire families with no backup plan — and still gets mocked by people born with Wi-Fi and a trust fund?

Let’s be real B40 isn’t struggling because they “don’t plan.”
They’re struggling because you can't budget your way out of oppression. Try planning finances when your salary disappears into rent, groceries, and medical bills before the 10th of the month.

And English fluency?
Oh, you mean the language you got handed in elite schools, while rural kids had one underpaid teacher for four subjects and a broken fan in the classroom? You don’t “value English” — you inherited it, then gatekeep it like it’s a badge of superiority.

Now let’s look at your T20 self-worship list:

✅ "Plans finances, less kids, MNC career paths…”
Wow. You act like choosing to have 2 kids and invest in ASB makes you a philosopher-king. Let me guess — you also think credit scores are a measure of morality?

Let’s be clear:
Your “good decisions” were made from a safe, padded platform.
Try giving B40 the same access to education, mentorship, and a cushion if they fall — then let’s see what happens.

This isn't a comparison — it's a flex wrapped in prejudice, trying to pass as life advice.
T20s love talking about “better choices” — but never about better chances.

B40 didn’t choose poverty.
You just chose to pretend they did — so you could sleep better on your overpriced mattress.









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QUOTE(Chowda @ Jun 14 2025, 07:43 PM)
lol, weak, won't reach 4 pages
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wrong boi, we got it to 7, almost double the amount
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I was once in your shoe TS keep blaming everybody/boomer/investors jacked up the property prices.

But after i bagged the 1st, 2nd...now im towards my 3rd unit purchase, i can tell my mindset are totally different with previous.

The true leeching is those who didnt or escape/refuse to pay the tax. Get the fact right.
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more like TS in the income bracket that beh song and jelly with T20

LOL

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