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post Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM, updated 7 months ago

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Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?

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Its political.

The downside of SST is well known. GST tax everything then manage exempt list. SST have to manage tax list and also an exempt list. Hence SST scope is always smaller than GST. Issue of double tax also higher. SST administrative cost is higher than GST. That's why countries always move from SST to GST.

Bolehland is the only country in the world moving the other direction. Boleh!


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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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If Anwar goes GST means Najib is right and PH been lying and wrong all along … PH worse decision is to terminate GST.
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post Jun 11 2025, 08:26 AM

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coz we can earn more from SST dik..

if wanna raise tax for another certain set of category like Alchohol in future... seeing that alchohol consumption is doing well.. we can raise them to 20%...

without affecting other items...
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:25 AM)
If Anwar goes GST means Najib is right and PH been lying and wrong all along … PH worse decision is to terminate GST.
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Jib's the one that demonised GST.
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:26 AM)
coz we can earn more from SST dik..

if wanna raise tax for another certain set of category like Alchohol in future... seeing that alchohol consumption is doing well.. we can raise them to 20%...

without affecting other items...
Can do the same with GST system. However its a lot more complicated today.

Ask layman who know what is taxed & what is not. Not many can answer. In GST system, most can understand.

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post Jun 11 2025, 08:29 AM

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Because election promise said no GST ma

If introduce GST marah, no keep promise

no introduce GST marah.

Pundek la
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i work in an import company (trading) _
the exemption process for our local customer in order to avoid double taxation ... is damn 7 messy and human capital consuming

fuck SST
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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Exactly. I concur. You pay tax as you consume.

Ego too big to u-turn and living in denial

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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jun 11 2025, 08:31 AM)
i work in an import company (trading) _
the exemption process for our local customer in order to avoid double taxation ... is damn 7 messy and human capital consuming

fuck SST
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Wait, SST is Saya Suka Tax, right? So what’s the problem? This main Supporters for PH just loves taxes. Look at how they hated GST, which is a simpler and. Ore efficient tax systems.
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:29 AM)
Can do the same with GST system. However its a lot more complicated today.

Ask layman who know what is taxed & what is not. Not many can answer. In GST system, most can understand.
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GST is Generally Senang Tax, right? I agree la. Simple and effective systems.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 08:33 AM)
Wait, SST is Saya Suka Tax, right?  So what’s the problem?  This main Supporters for PH just loves taxes.  Look at how they hated GST, which is a simpler and. Ore efficient tax systems.
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If SST means Saya suka Tax...

GST means Gua Sakau Tax...
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:35 AM)
If SST means Saya suka Tax...

GST means Gua Sakau Tax...
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Also can la. Same same!
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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answer is simple.

Legacy.

Because the powers that be if they want to keep GST, then people will not remember current ruling party for their success but they will remember the incumbent for his success.

Just like how DLP is being slowly diminished.

For me, is ok no issue, whatever pass govt does, if 1 or 2 is good, just keep it and continue.

Like DLP and GST. Obvously GST was abused during Bijian time, refunds didn't happen as supposed to, and they delayed that.

Bijian - did good in GST but implemented badly in terms of refunds
Mamakthir - did well in DLP
Moo Moo and useless Puas Takoyaki - did what? Postpone parliament everyday, sampah party.

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QUOTE(McDullDull @ Jun 11 2025, 08:35 AM)
Coz everything that came from zaman Jibby is bad and wrong.
Nothing can be right...
only zaman Madoni correct...
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Just reintro GST and rebrand as VAT. Majority wont understand the similarities
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GST name is bad for election.

SST with GST benefits or dreadfulness still better.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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Everyone must use AI to pay tax
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post Jun 11 2025, 08:55 AM

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Just implement GST but call it VAT. Easy

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agree, i skipped paying gst by paying cash for so many times. With SST, i can't at all. Miss that time sad.gif
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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because you all la vote for no GST, now demand GST pulak

M4A1: this is the government you voted for

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I remembered during GST time, every day got ktards posted about ahpek kedai runcit, kedai repair kereta have to close down coz hard to do GST. Hari2 kutuk GST. Now mana pergi all those? Why now many ktards hari2 mau bring back GST?
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GST is good for nation, everyone is taxable regardless new born baby or 90 yo old folk, and all bangla nepal etc also subject to be taxed as long as they consume. Gov lost a lot of income from many group of people because they are not submitted income tax and also SST is not tax on everything and taxable amount is much lesser than the GST.

Do not ever say Islxm is country should not apply VAT or GST. Saudi 15% VAT, Dubai 5%, Indonesia 11%, Oman 5% etc. Brunei has no tax but they have only 400k population, government has no pressure even if their citizen not paying tax to gov.
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jun 11 2025, 09:06 AM)
because you all la vote for no GST, now demand GST pulak

M4A1: this is the government you voted for

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Last time kj bring up in parliament

Since gst already in place, why not just lower to 3% instead of abolish and replace with sst

But you know i know


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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:25 AM)
If Anwar goes GST means Najib is right and PH been lying and wrong all along … PH worse decision is to terminate GST.
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:25 AM)
Its political.

The downside of SST is well known. GST tax everything then manage exempt list. SST have to manage tax list and also an exempt list. Hence SST scope is always smaller than GST. Issue of double tax also higher. SST administrative cost is higher than GST. That's why countries always move from SST to GST.

Bolehland is the only country in the world moving the other direction. Boleh!
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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Technically the issue is not categories but how its treated. GST equally has many tax codes with their own rates? I think up to 10? Zero rated i recall has 3 already?

SST is messy for manufacturers because some things you can get exempt some you cannot (input that is) and some you have to charge and some cannot. So its added paperwork they can do without.

GST is easy for manufacturers and other businesses as is pure pass thru. If the issue of refunds is solved it is almost perfect . End of the day consumer pay, manufacturers act as a collecting agent on behalf of govt same as distributors and traders.

But the keyword here is consumer pay. Consumer far exceeds manufactures or biz ppl. They will make noise. So end of the day ppl here might like , ppl elsewhere may not.

But i'm all for it, SST is a pain to manage for manufacturers and i work for one

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Because gst is launched under that criminal. Goods also has increased price.
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 11 2025, 10:15 AM)
Last time kj bring up in parliament

Since gst already in place, why not just lower to 3% instead of abolish and replace with sst

But you know i know


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Until today still got people talking about 3% GST

Anything lower than 6% means the collection is equivalent or maybe even less than SST

The main reason to implement GST is to increase tax collection

If the collection is lower than SST, then what is the point of introducing GST
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QUOTE(Ash55 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:32 AM)
GST custom department still got at cyberjaya  brows.gif
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Coz eventually GST will be re-implemented, just a matter of when...

Of coz if Madani wins again, probably won't be so soon...

PN or BN then yes...

QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jun 11 2025, 08:36 AM)
answer is simple.

Legacy.

Because the powers that be if they want to keep GST, then people will not remember current ruling party for their success but they will remember the incumbent for his success.

Just like how DLP is being slowly diminished.

For me, is ok no issue, whatever pass govt does, if 1 or 2 is good, just keep it and continue.

Like DLP and GST. Obvously GST was abused during Bijian time, refunds didn't happen as supposed to, and they delayed that.

Bijian - did good in GST but implemented badly in terms of refunds
Mamakthir - did well in DLP
Moo Moo and useless Puas Takoyaki - did what? Postpone parliament everyday, sampah party.
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Yes I also heard of the problem with refunding...

I think GST just need to really scope those essentials items on 0% and starts small like 3% for soft landing then only adjust accordingly...

But talk much also useless la, just enjoy the fiasco that Madani continue to bring la for now
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:15 AM)
Last time kj bring up in parliament

Since gst already in place, why not just lower to 3% instead of abolish and replace with sst

But you know i know


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No bro

Then we would have done everything all the hard work for nothing

Has to be 6. 6% minus the refund that should have been given actually is about double SST. Perfect

3% would be the same amount of noise as GST with the same effect as SST.

We got to go more than 3% for it to have a fiscal impact else its also for show
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from what i know , sst = can submit invoice that is not real

but gst = must submit real invoice
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:19 AM)
Until today still got people talking about 3% GST

Anything lower than 6% means the collection is equivalent or maybe even less than SST

The main reason to implement GST is to increase tax collection

If the collection is lower than SST, then what is the point of introducing GST
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SST is higher, but narrow categories.
Remember GST is all transactions.
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QUOTE(nelson969 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:21 AM)
from what i know , sst = can submit invoice that is not real

but gst = must submit real invoice
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That's why e-invoice are introduce bro
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:26 AM)
coz we can earn more from SST dik..

if wanna raise tax for another certain set of category like Alchohol in future... seeing that alchohol consumption is doing well.. we can raise them to 20%...

without affecting other items...
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nothing stopping gov from having GST higher specifically for alcohol or pork or car.

It's just that SST applied at vendor level, not consumer level for most items.
Therefore, 5% SST on your 5 bucks worth of carrot would not be 25 cents. It could be 20 cents only assuming retailer bought from wholesaler/farmer at RM4 for same amount.

That being said...... I still have to pay fucking SST for roti I bought at Hero Market bakery.... but not Hero market supermarket....
padahal they bake in the same place....owned by the same company... just sold at different corners of the same building..... shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 09:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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1) You so happy to pay more tax kah?

According to a study I read, if the GST is reintroduced, the people will have to bear an average RM700 increase in taxes per person, proving that the tax does not benefit ordinary citizens.

2) Reintroducing GST will disrupt everything again

Biz will incur additional costs. Look at e-invoice. Just changing to e-invoice already created so many problems and you want to reintroduce GST. E-invoice kautim first only then should think about reintro GST

3) Our custom is not ready

One of the reasons why GST during Najib time failed is due to late refunds. In fact, so many people experience no refunds until today. Why? Our customs is not ready back then and is also not ready today. You reintroduce GST, the same problem of late or no refunds will happen again. That is why e-invoice were introduce. It is to ease everything but even e-invoice is facing tons of hiccups today.

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jun 11 2025, 09:26 AM)
That's why e-invoice are introduce bro
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I feel that eventually, we gonna go full circle and just have GST, but it is named SST brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jun 11 2025, 09:26 AM)
That's why e-invoice are introduce bro
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it is a pre-requisite for the incoming GST.
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QUOTE(nelson969 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:21 AM)
from what i know , sst = can submit invoice that is not real

but gst = must submit real invoice
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Nope

The SST Tax invoice similarly has to have running numbers that are unique and traceable to your system

You submit something that when audit turns up nothing you get hefty fine also

Ironically using the systems and rules in place for GST kek


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cannot.. ini salah bijan.. if last time bijan never introduce GST, we may now have this policy..

madanon cannot follow wat bijan did last time, else muka nak letak mana???

MUKA madanon > all
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:27 AM)

3) Our custom is not ready

One of the reasons why GST during Najib time failed is due to late refunds. In fact, so many people experience no refunds until today. Why? Our customs is not ready back then and is also not ready today. You reintroduce GST, the same problem of late or no refunds will happen again. That is why e-invoice were introduce. It is to ease everything but even e-invoice is facing tons of hiccups today.
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Customs is ready

Customs DG said the refund issue was top driven not a system issue.

Too much was recognised as revenue and not set aside. Once it went into govt coffers its a bitch to take it out so they roll with the next month collection to refund previous month, slowly snowballing the problem

If govt set aside a correct amount as revenue and earmark enough for refunds, customs can cater for it

Our customs like LHDN is not stupid. Sure some parts need monitoring (cough cough port entry) but back end office ppl are sharp and if you talk to them they also willing to give you a win win solution for sticky issues
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 08:37 AM)
Betul la tu.  by ‘consensus’,APAD is better than SPAD. lol how well it is going now with APAD, and road accidents.  👍👍👍👍
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Actually wasnt the consensus that SPAD gone hampered long term planning via govt master plan and service level improvements?

WKS has been on record saying JPJ via APAD is still monitoring and strict as before?

We forgot liao the issue in 2021 where he was alleged to ask to go soft on overloading lorry drivers?

https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/1317...da-wee-ka-siong

His reply which was factual was that APAD still had the same powers as before in enforcing



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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:34 AM)
Customs is ready

Customs DG said the refund issue was top driven not a system issue.

Too much was recognised as revenue and not set aside. Once it went into govt coffers its a bitch to take it out so they roll with the next month collection to refund previous month, slowly snowballing the problem

If govt set aside a correct amount as revenue and earmark enough for refunds, customs can cater for it

Our customs like LHDN is not stupid. Sure some parts need monitoring (cough cough port entry) but back end office ppl are sharp and if you talk to them they also willing to give you a win win solution for sticky issues
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GST- Why refund? Already no money want some more refund for what. Just threaten audit if push for refund. Anyway Govt lost elections due to GST so no no need explore.

SST- Ambik je no need refund

E-Invois- exposes the grey economy of powers behind the scene running the shows.

Obvious choice leh - As Politician u pick which?



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because a b c d gst
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:19 AM)
Until today still got people talking about 3% GST

Anything lower than 6% means the collection is equivalent or maybe even less than SST

The main reason to implement GST is to increase tax collection

If the collection is lower than SST, then what is the point of introducing GST
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SST susceptible to accounting magic to cheat the system
GST with refund mechanism hard to cheat

GST with lower percentage but all parties (including those in the shadow economy) have to pay is still better than SST with higher percentage

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:27 AM)
1) You so happy to pay more tax kah?

According to a study I read, if the GST is reintroduced, the people will have to bear an average RM700 increase in taxes per person, proving that the tax does not benefit ordinary citizens.

2) Reintroducing GST will disrupt everything again

Biz will incur additional costs. Look at e-invoice. Just changing to e-invoice already created so many problems and you want to reintroduce GST. E-invoice kautim first only then should think about reintro GST

3) Our custom is not ready

One of the reasons why GST during Najib time failed is due to late refunds. In fact, so many people experience no refunds until today. Why? Our customs is not ready back then and is also not ready today. You reintroduce GST, the same problem of late or no refunds will happen again. That is why e-invoice were introduce. It is to ease everything but even e-invoice is facing tons of hiccups today.
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and SST can reduce tax and payments kan? pony tua say one. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(seinganchai @ Jun 11 2025, 09:47 AM)
GST- Why refund? Already no money want some more refund for what. Just threaten audit if push for refund. Anyway Govt lost elections due to GST so no no need explore.

SST- Ambik je no need refund

E-Invois- exposes the grey economy of powers behind the scene running the shows.

Obvious choice leh - As Politician u pick which?
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Well respectfully a good politician would pick GST and E-invoice and fix their weaknesses

GST has to refund, to make it simpler its a simple input vs output, claim for input, charge for output and if input exceeds output you get a refund. If you dont do that ppl in the middle of the value chain or pure exporters who are helping to implement GST will be unfairly penalised

SST yes ambik je no refund as you dont claim anything for input. Just file the paper work for getting your raw materials exempted. But its time and manpower consuming so harder

E-invoice regardless also must go on. Main driver of e-invoice is LHDN not customs actually. LHDN is looking for corporate tax dodgers which is a bigger quantum than indirect tax. This one is a big big chunk if underground

So my TLDR karangan answer is please 1 and 3 kek.

But yeah politician will pick the easiest
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8%~>10% SST no need refund but need E-Invoicing monitored;
6% GST need to refund later on;
Government earn more TAX revenues from which one ?
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So that they will have bullet to pancing votes

Near election cancel SST, say government prihatin.
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:48 AM)
SST susceptible to accounting magic to cheat the system
GST with refund mechanism hard to cheat

GST with lower percentage but all parties (including those in the shadow economy) have to pay is still better than SST with higher percentage
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Current SST cannot accounting magic liao. Manufacturers have to use the same rules and audit check and balances to declare, SST-03 form for SST vs GST-03 for GST. Penalties are just as stiff, audits just as frequent as during GST time. In fact maybe stricter since customs need to focus only on manufacturers and certain service providers

Ironically to make it hard to cheat they use GST compliance rules kek
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jun 11 2025, 08:29 AM)
Because election promise said no GST ma

If introduce GST marah, no keep promise

no introduce GST marah.

Pundek la
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:55 AM)
Current SST cannot accounting magic liao. Manufacturers have to use the same rules and audit check and balances to declare, SST-03 form for SST vs GST-03 for GST. Penalties are just as stiff, audits just as frequent as during GST time.  In fact maybe stricter since customs need to focus only on manufacturers and certain service providers

Ironically to make it hard to cheat they use GST compliance rules kek
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Too many loopholes in SST, also keep increasing sst instead of catching those shadow economy players promotes inflation

Eventually also need to move up to GST
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:19 AM)
Technically the issue is not categories but how its treated. GST equally has many tax codes with their own rates? I think up to 10? Zero rated i recall has 3 already?

SST is messy for manufacturers because some things you can get exempt some you cannot (input that is) and some you have to charge and some cannot. So its added paperwork they can do without.

GST is easy for manufacturers and other businesses as is pure pass thru. If the issue of refunds is solved it is almost perfect . End of the day consumer pay, manufacturers act as a collecting agent on behalf of govt same as distributors and traders.

But the keyword here is consumer pay. Consumer far exceeds manufactures or biz ppl. They will make noise. So end of the day ppl here might like , ppl elsewhere may not.

But i'm all for it, SST is a pain to manage for manufacturers and i work for one
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The problem with SST. Consumer pay, some sellers (mostly voted PH) collect & pocketed. With GST they cannot, they need to pay back to gov. So they geram with Najib. PMX Madani scared to bring it back because of these voters.





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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:42 AM)
Actually wasnt the consensus that SPAD gone hampered long term planning via govt master plan and service level improvements?

WKS has been on record saying JPJ via APAD is still monitoring and strict as before?

We forgot liao the issue in 2021 where he was alleged to ask to go soft on overloading lorry drivers?

https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/1317...da-wee-ka-siong

His reply which was factual was that APAD still had the same powers as before in enforcing
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So what WKS said if law la, right? And the current MOT agrees la and is a mere eunuch to WKS. Don’t have balls or backbone to change if wrong la. As I know, SPAD was dismantled after UG took over and APAD is formed as replacement.


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SST and GST no problem. The problem org kita, no smart its ok but......
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QUOTE(redondo88 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:57 AM)
The problem with SST. Consumer pay, some sellers (mostly voted PH) collect & pocketed. With GST they cannot, they need to pay back to gov. So they geram with Najib. PMX Madani scared to bring it back because of these voters.
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Hmm hard to say about voter impact but sellers nah, impossible to pocket.

The fact that we have nearly 3 times the amount of sales tax collected (with refunds included) means it was working. And the penalty for biz to pocket GST is extremely stiff. Stiffer than LHDN fine. LHDN is you are not paying your share of taxes from your profit. Customs fine for pocketing GST is way higher because you're essentially stealing govt money. With the audit files, GST03 reporting and unique tax invoice number it would be a very foolish guy to do so

Also sellers not incentived to pocket it unlike old forms of SST. Its pass thru no impact to them and their selling price.

But what the voters will think, god knows. /k may support you may find different feedback elsewhere
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QUOTE(redondo88 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:57 AM)
The problem with SST. Consumer pay, some sellers (mostly voted PH) collect & pocketed. With GST they cannot, they need to pay back to gov. So they geram with Najib. PMX Madani scared to bring it back because of these voters.
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SST got problem meh? What problem? The best FMand the smartest voters in Mesia cannot be both wrong AT YHE SAME TIME, right? Impossible! 😉
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Election la.

Remember that bijaN lost due to GST scare tactics by PH then.

Now, Madani more worried about bringing back GST due to earlier promises.

Anyhow, Madani will lose big time and very sure unable to form the gomen without another corporation with other parties. In 3 years they severed ties with many potential partners.

I guess PN will return with a vengeance in 2 years time.
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Rakyat wants GST!! Bring back GST ffs!
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Which rakyat want GST?

Some ktards only want it because they know it's going to be unpopular and it's all due to political reasons


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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 10:04 AM)
Hmm hard to say about voter impact but sellers nah, impossible to pocket.

The fact that we have nearly 3 times the amount of sales tax collected (with refunds included) means it was working. And the penalty for biz to pocket GST is extremely stiff. Stiffer than LHDN fine. LHDN is you are not paying your share of taxes from your profit. Customs fine for pocketing GST is way higher because you're essentially stealing govt money. With the audit files, GST03 reporting and unique tax invoice number it would be a very foolish guy to do so

Also sellers not incentived to pocket it unlike old forms of SST. Its pass thru no impact to them and their selling price.

But what the voters will think, god knows. /k may support you may find different feedback elsewhere
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Because the voters like to sing ABCDGSTea song la. The rhyme to that song was so addictive, especially if Nobita sang it in and that Teoh lady ‘rap’ it in parliament.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 10:02 AM)
So what WKS said if law la, right?  And the current MOT agrees la and is a mere eunuch to WKS.  Don’t have balls or backbone to change if wrong la.  As I know, SPAD was dismantled after UG took over and APAD is formed as replacement.
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No you mentioned SPAD was neutered in enforcement.

I dont thnk so. Current and previous transport minister has said so. I've given the news trail. SPADS effects were felt elsewhere

What is change and wrong and backbone and where does this eunuch come from? We just have to enforce whats there.

Why this going off track?
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 10:04 AM)
Which rakyat want GST?

Some ktards only want it because they know it's going to be unpopular and it's all due to political reasons
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I don’t know about others but I prefer GST cos it taxes everyone fairly. Everyone pays taxes with GST directly. No double standards or bias.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 10:06 AM)
Because the voters like to sing ABCDGSTea song la.  The rhyme to that song was so addictive, especially if Nobita sang it in and that Teoh lady ‘rap’ it in parliament.
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So you telling me the basis of this is majority of voters singing the song?

means majority agrees with this decision?

Hence we should be happy with status quo?

I'm ok, i'm in year 7 of SST, i would welcome a return to GST but if thats what the ppl dont want, i cant trump them
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:15 AM)
Last time kj bring up in parliament

Since gst already in place, why not just lower to 3% instead of abolish and replace with sst

But you know i know


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lower to 3%?

the refund process will cost gov more then they collected from 3%

without proper auto process for refund, gov actually spend alot to get tax guy to calculate the refund.
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 10:06 AM)
No you mentioned SPAD was neutered in enforcement.

I dont thnk so. Current and previous transport minister has said so. I've given the news trail. SPADS effects were felt elsewhere

What is change and wrong and backbone and where does this eunuch come from? We just have to enforce whats there.

Why this going off track?
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Eunuch cos if cannot do the right thing. Ask the enforcers of traffic and they likely tell you SPAD is more effective than APAD. SPAD has the authority to prosecute vs APAD which is toothless.
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 10:08 AM)
So you telling me the basis of this is majority of voters singing the song?

means majority agrees with this decision?

Hence we should be happy with status quo?

I'm ok, i'm in year 7 of SST, i would welcome a return to GST but if thats what the ppl dont want, i cant trump them
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I do not disagree. Consensus wins. I suppose the rakyat prefers to pay more dnd higher taxes nowadays but looking at this thread……
INB4, this does not represent the whole rakyat aspirations to pay more taxes.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 11:07 AM)
I don’t know about others but I prefer GST cos it taxes everyone fairly.  Everyone pays taxes with GST directly.  No double standards or bias.
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Nobody likes to pay more tax lah

Like I say before, some people is non-stop asking for GST to come back because it's for political reasons

The e-invoice issue still not kautim and people are already jumping the gun

My view is GST will come back someday but not today when we're not ready

Also, I would not like GST to come back when the next government is potentially PN who screw up badly during MCO

You want them to govern our coffers?
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 10:09 AM)
Eunuch cos if cannot do the right thing.  Ask the enforcers of traffic and they likely tell you SPAD is more effective than APAD.  SPAD has the authority to prosecute vs APAD which is toothless.
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Now if you started off with this statement and cited specifics then i think we would have saved a few posts here and there
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 10:11 AM)
I do not disagree.  Consensus wins.  I suppose the rakyat prefers to pay more dnd higher taxes nowadays but looking at this thread……
INB4, this does not represent the whole rakyat aspirations to pay more taxes.
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Again starting off with this instead of spouting a song that supposedly the majority are singing would be helpful

But i also dont know the rationale behind a water is wet comment when the bulk of my post you were replying is about the inherent inability of sellers to game GST

I'm like M4A1 or some sociopathic kid behind the computer i can understand, but older folks doing this, sorry not used to this sort of banter

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 10:11 AM)
Nobody likes to pay more tax lah

Like I say before, some people is non-stop asking for GST to come back because it's for political reasons

The e-invoice issue still not kautim and people are already jumping the gun

My view is GST will come back someday but not today when we're not ready

Also, I would not like GST to come back when the next government is potentially PN who screw up badly during MCO

You want them to govern our coffers?
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Really? Then why replace GST with a messier and more complex SST, LVGT, HGVT etc etc, which taxes more, then?
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Really?  Then why replace GST with a messier and more complex SST, LVGT, HGVT etc etc, which taxes more, then?
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GST

GST with refunds withheld scored 3 times more than peak SST

with refunds given should be double conservatively


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Really?  Then why replace GST with a messier and more complex SST, LVGT, HGVT etc etc, which taxes more, then?
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We have been using SST for decades before GST

So, all those years how we survive with so called complex system?

You so happy paying more taxes to government kah?


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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 10:14 AM)
Again starting off with this instead of spouting a song that supposedly the majority are singing would be helpful

But i also dont know the rationale behind a water is wet comment when the bulk of my post you were replying is about the inherent inability of sellers to game GST

I'm like M4A1 or some sociopathic kid behind the computer i can understand, but older folks not used to this
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Ok. If you were given an option of GST(6%)vs the SST(10%?) LVGT (duno what rate now) +HVGT(donnu ehat rate now also) + digital tax (what rate now?) plus god knows what else, which do you choose? No options to say you don’t want either.

I know I will choose which one without even blinking.

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We have been using SST for decades before GST

So, all those years how we survive with so called complex system?

You so happy paying more taxes to government kah?
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I don’t. That’s why I support GST cos everyone gets taxed, even tourists.
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GST

GST with refunds withheld scored 3 times more than peak SST

with refunds given should be double conservatively
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That is the system weaknesses, not GST weakness.
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Ok.  If you were given an option of GST(6%)vs the SST(10%?) LVGT (duno what rate now) +HVGT(donnu ehat rate now also) + digital tax (what rate now?) plus god knows what else, which do you choose?  No options to say you don’t want either.

I know I will choose which one without even blinking.
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GST

I speak as a guy working for a manufacturer and a citizen concerned for the fiscal health of the country. GST collects more as its broad based

I think i've said it few times including in my posts which you reply to earlier

You do read them right?
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That is the system weaknesses, not GST weakness.
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When did i say it was a GST weakness?

Customs DG already said its a top down directive, i mentioned it above when someone said customs not ready. They are ready

And why bring up weakness when the question was what brings in more.

GST brings in more. Its literally public records in AG financial reports
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 10:22 AM)
When did i say it was a GST weakness?

Customs DG already said its a top down directive, i mentioned it above when someone said customs not ready. They are ready

And why bring up weakness when the question was what brings in more.

GST brings in more. Its literally public records in AG financial reports
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Do not disagree but the weaknesses in the system should be blamed on the GST as an effective revenue income vs SST.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jun 11 2025, 08:32 AM)
Exactly. I concur. You pay tax as you consume.

Ego too big to u-turn and living in denial
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I’m not sure how it is in other sectors, but in my field — one round of getting scolding is more than enough. We learn, we avoid repeating the same mistake.
But this administration? They seem happy getting scolded - knowing they will get scolding.

Every time the government update the list — sure will be scolded.

You think tax consultants don’t need to attend courses and seminars just to keep up with the changes?
You think corporates or SMEs don’t have to send their accountants and HR to retrain just because someone felt like tweaking another list?

So much time and resources wasted just to absorb the impact of these brainless decisions.

Anyone with common sense would aim to manage a smaller, focused list.
But no — our government proudly goes the other way.

They know they’ll kena tiu every single time — and still go ahead anyway.
Really seems like they’re asking for it.
Butt itchy for a public scolding — again and again.

Sometimes, I start wondering whether the decisions were made to benefits the one giving talks & seminars - every year new list, every year new talk la - expenses on the conference room, training, etc.

Honestly, this Chinese poem sums it up way too well — it’s almost like it was written just for them :-

说你又不听,
听你又不懂,
懂你又不做,
做你又做错,
错你又不认,
认你又不改,
改你又不服,
不服你也不说,
说你又不听,
听你又不同。


Shuō nǐ yòu bù tīng,
Tīng nǐ yòu bù dǒng,
Dǒng nǐ yòu bù zuò,
Zuò nǐ yòu zuò cuò,
Cuò nǐ yòu bù rèn,
Rèn nǐ yòu bù gǎi,
Gǎi nǐ yòu bù fú,
Bù fú nǐ yě bù shuō,
Shuō nǐ yòu bù tīng,
Tīng nǐ yòu bù tóng.

Translated version

You’re told, but you don’t listen.
You listen, but you don’t understand.
You understand, but you don’t act.
When you act, you mess it up.
When you're wrong, you don’t admit it.
Even if you admit it, you don’t change.
When asked to change, you resist.
And when you resist, you still say nothing.
You get told again — and still don’t listen.
Even if you listen, you still disagree.

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I don’t.  That’s why I support GST cos everyone gets taxed, even tourists.
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If you're not happy, then why the heck you support GST

GST means everyone pays more tax including you

Don't bullshit here about everyone getting taxed lah

GST is just a more efficient tax but it's also a less equitable tax

GST imposes a higher relative burden on lower-income earners than on high-income earner

As for tourist, they can claim back refunds lah
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 10:29 AM)
If you're not happy, then why the heck you support GST

GST means everyone pays more tax including you

Don't bullshit here about everyone getting taxed lah

GST is just a more efficient tax but it's also a less equitable tax

GST imposes a higher relative burden on lower-income earners than on high-income earner

As for tourist, they can claim back refunds lah
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Like it or not, we pay taxes, be it SST or GST. No way out. So my preference is GST vs SST. It is not a matter of not paying taxes. It is an option of paying which version or system of taxation. I know I am more unhappy paying for SST vs GST.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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Even GST they cannot do it well.
Inclusive, exclusive, zero so messy.

Why cannot just be inclusive so the displayed price at stores is easy to read for consumers.

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Do not disagree but the weaknesses in the system should be blamed on the GST as an effective revenue income vs SST.
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Its not a system weakness. System implies the audit process ,customs backend processing and actual implementation rules are flawed. It isnt.

It was top down directive

Too much was recognised as revenue and not set aside. Once it went into govt coffers its too late to take out so they roll with the next month collection to refund previous month

The problem slowly snowballs into year 3 of GST collection 2018.

If govt set aside a correct amount as revenue and have customs keep sufficient for refunds this will never occur

This was PAC findings which showed that Najib didnt steal GST but too much collection was recognised as revenue

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/customs...vt-lacked-money

This is because “the collection from GST that was not transferred into the GST Refund Consolidated Fund, was actually spent for the purposes of government’s operating and development expenditure.” The previous government had also overestimated the net collection of GST, the PAC said.

Here is the link. You can find other PAC related findings in other related articles in the link

Saying its a weakness does the customs a disservice
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 11:33 AM)
Like it or not, we pay taxes, be it SST or GST.  No way out.  So my preference is GST vs SST.  It is not a matter of not paying taxes.  It is an option of paying which version or system of taxation.  I know I am more unhappy paying for SST vs GST.
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Why are you unhappy paying SST?

Like you say it's just a form of tax?

There is no tax that are better or worse

All taxes have their pros and cons

Fact is GST you pay more, and SST you pay less

So, where got people in the world happy paying more taxes to government?

Like I say before, people keep bring up GST because of political reasons only whistling.gif

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Pasal dulu gained power by attacking GST & misguiding b40.

If 2018 masuk Putrajaya time announce will retain GST, sure kena kutuk kaw2 + throw rotten eggs.

So terpaksa abolish. Namun there's a Chinese idiom, "on the back of tiger, cannot come down", best describe PH's position.
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GST had an ever-changing list of exceptions so not everything was taxed. Can tell OP never had to file GST.
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Pasal dulu gained power by attacking GST & misguiding b40.

If 2018 masuk Putrajaya time announce will retain GST, sure kena kutuk kaw2 + throw rotten eggs.

So terpaksa abolish. Namun there's a Chinese idiom, "on the back of tiger, cannot come down", best describe PH's position.
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Is that wrong?

I thought people like you keep saying they kencing manifesto

When they not kencing also wrong

Also, are you so happy to pay more tax to government?
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The way our government does things, both will be messy at the end. Choose your poison. It is not going to get better no matter which one you choose.
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Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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If Anwar goes GST means Najib is right and PH been lying and wrong all along … PH worse decision is to terminate GST.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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Italian VAT rates

22%
Standard

10%
Some foodstuffs; water supplies; some pharmaceutical products; domestic passenger transport; admission to cultural events; some social housing; renovation and repair of private dwellings; some construction work on new buildings; some supplies of new buildings (non-luxurious); some agricultural supplies; hotel accommodation; restaurants; admission to certain sports events; energy products (excluding district heating); firewood; collection of domestic waste; some waste water treatment; alcoholic beverages in bars and cafes; take away food; cut flowers and plants for decorative use and food production

5%
Some foodstuffs; some social services; certain passenger transport

4%
Some food products; certain medical equipment for disabled persons; certain books; newspapers and some periodicals; e-books with an international standard book number (ISBN) ; online journals newspapers; TV licence; some social housing; some agricultural supplies; certain social services; motor vehicles for the disabled; construction work on new buildings (for first housing); supplies of new buildings (for first housing)

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I think you ts the rakyat, PN BN n what ever other polical party oh hell create a new law to criminalize any talks or discussion or even the mentioning of PH cancel n then telan ludah implementing back. So madani can confidently implement it hack n remove the rest of shitting taxes. Apa pandan fan Lapsapji? Dia setuju GST dikembalikan
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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if all 5% collection ciput

if all 10% cakap tindas B40 pulak

so apa lu mahu?
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who can remember such long list?

Sales tax order is massive. Imagine updates....

That's why GST is easier to administer (at lower cost).

Having said that GST = Galanya Semua Tax.
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Last time during GST time, I keep saying GST is better but got so many zombies coming to attack me with all sorts of name. Strangely, they seem to have disappeared. Anyone know where they are now?

The top complain of GST is slow refund. So they all go to support NO refund. Since there is nothing to refund, there is no slow refund issue. This LGE very smart. Must vote for DAP next time.

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 10:35 AM)
Its not a system weakness. System implies the audit process ,customs backend processing and actual implementation rules are flawed. It isnt.

It was top down directive

Too much was recognised as revenue and not set aside. Once it went into govt coffers its too late to take out so they roll with the next month collection to refund previous month

The problem slowly snowballs into year 3 of GST collection 2018.

If govt set aside a correct amount as revenue and have customs keep sufficient for refunds this will never occur

This was PAC findings which showed that Najib didnt steal GST but too much collection was recognised as revenue

https://theedgemalaysia.com/article/customs...vt-lacked-money

This is because “the collection from GST that was not transferred into the GST Refund Consolidated Fund, was actually spent for the purposes of government’s operating and development expenditure.” The previous government had also overestimated the net collection of GST, the PAC said.

Here is the link. You can find other PAC related findings in other related articles in the link

Saying its a weakness does the customs a disservice
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Ok, as I know it is the weakness of the refund systems due to various reasons. I do not see any issue with GST collection except it was sabotage properly by some opposition until they cannot implement it now. I can be wrong though.
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problem start with exemption.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 10:37 AM)
Why are you unhappy paying SST?

Like you say it's just a form of tax?

There is no tax that are better or worse

All taxes have their pros and cons

Fact is GST you pay more, and SST you pay less

So, where got people in the world happy paying more taxes to government?

Like I say before, people keep bring up GST because of political reasons only  whistling.gif
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I don’t. I prefer to pay 6% vs SST(6,8,10%), LVGT, HVGT, digital tax, and what nots. And I see many of the roadside sellers and others are not paying any taxes whilst I pay taxes. With GST, I know those roadside or other traders pay taxes as well when they spend.
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I’m not sure how it is in other sectors, but in my field — one round of getting scolding is more than enough. We learn, we avoid repeating the same mistake.
But this administration? They seem happy getting scolded - knowing they will get scolding.

Every time the government update the list — sure will be scolded.

You think tax consultants don’t need to attend courses and seminars just to keep up with the changes?
You think corporates or SMEs don’t have to send their accountants and HR to retrain just because someone felt like tweaking another list?

So much time and resources wasted just to absorb the impact of these brainless decisions.

Anyone with common sense would aim to manage a smaller, focused list.
But no — our government proudly goes the other way.

They know they’ll kena tiu every single time — and still go ahead anyway.
Really seems like they’re asking for it.
Butt itchy for a public scolding — again and again.

Sometimes, I start wondering whether the decisions were made to benefits the one giving talks & seminars - every year new list, every year new talk la - expenses on the conference room, training, etc.

Honestly, this Chinese poem sums it up way too well — it’s almost like it was written just for them :-

说你又不听,
听你又不懂,
懂你又不做,
做你又做错,
错你又不认,
认你又不改,
改你又不服,
不服你也不说,
说你又不听,
听你又不同。


Shuō nǐ yòu bù tīng,
Tīng nǐ yòu bù dǒng,
Dǒng nǐ yòu bù zuò,
Zuò nǐ yòu zuò cuò,
Cuò nǐ yòu bù rèn,
Rèn nǐ yòu bù gǎi,
Gǎi nǐ yòu bù fú,
Bù fú nǐ yě bù shuō,
Shuō nǐ yòu bù tīng,
Tīng nǐ yòu bù tóng.

Translated version

You’re told, but you don’t listen.
You listen, but you don’t understand.
You understand, but you don’t act.
When you act, you mess it up.
When you're wrong, you don’t admit it.
Even if you admit it, you don’t change.
When asked to change, you resist.
And when you resist, you still say nothing.
You get told again — and still don’t listen.
Even if you listen, you still disagree.

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Yeah that sums up on point

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Why cannot we reduce leaks and wastage instead of hike tax? Why after hike still dun reduce income tax?
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Eh, you don’t have faith in the capability of the best FM in Mesia meh? Some say he is also the best in Batam and Spore wor! Must have faith la!
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Why cannot we reduce leaks and wastage instead of hike tax? Why after hike still dun reduce income tax?
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The gomen has issued a quarterly report on government dept audit. Do you see any reduction in these issue that you mentioned, as part of reformasi movement?
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The gomen has issued a quarterly report on government dept audit.  Do you see any reduction in these issue that you mentioned, as part of reformasi movement?
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Spending on administration increase kaw kaw since this government taking over. With the new civil servants pay, very likely this administrative cost continue to be 80% or more
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Spending on administration increase kaw kaw since this government taking over. With the new civil servants pay, very likely this administrative cost continue to be 80% or more
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I dunno. Did not read the audit report cos it is like a photocopy version each quarterly, with date change saja la, I think. 😎
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Eh, you don’t have faith in the capability of the best FM in Mesia meh?  Some say he is also the best in Batam and Spore wor!  Must have faith la!
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Personally I feel he single shamed the entire MY Type C population.
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Personally I feel he single shamed the entire MY Type C population.
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Why you say so? The best FM/PM with the best cabinet IN Malaysian history wor…. U sure or not?
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What do you mean by this?
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SST can go 10% later maybe 20% for high end stuff
GST boleh ke
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 11 2025, 11:15 AM)
Spending on administration increase kaw kaw since this government taking over. With the new civil servants pay, very likely this administrative cost continue to be 80% or more
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That’s why tax kaw kaw

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What do you mean by this?
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He tor Sui the entire Chinese race with the bad decisions made during his tenure as FM. The expectation was high. N what happened Afeter his tenure ended.

Someone abused position on the lhdn charges on Najib n son.
Reduced lrt line n MRT line spec n labeled it saving. Saving means sane spec but lower cost not reduced spec.
GST.
He was very vengeful against Sarawak. Vengeful against mca to the level he was willing to meddle the funds allocation for UTAR. My nephew studying at UTAR past time die due supported PH n defending them. After the UTAR episode. Quiet like a kitten

N oh still remember his own Fellon Musk side kick aka Tony the Puaka? I don't even want to start on him


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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 09:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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GST is GE issue. wait next GE ya...
the people must decide .

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 11 2025, 11:06 AM)
Ok, as I know it is the weakness of the refund systems due to various reasons.  I do not see any issue with GST collection except it was sabotage properly by some opposition until they cannot implement it now.  I can be wrong though.
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Not even Roblox says this.

I would be interested to see which gossip rag shares this

It's downright sabotaging the gst initiative
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QUOTE(9m2w @ Jun 11 2025, 09:19 AM)
Technically the issue is not categories but how its treated. GST equally has many tax codes with their own rates? I think up to 10? Zero rated i recall has 3 already?

SST is messy for manufacturers because some things you can get exempt some you cannot (input that is) and some you have to charge and some cannot. So its added paperwork they can do without.

GST is easy for manufacturers and other businesses as is pure pass thru. If the issue of refunds is solved it is almost perfect . End of the day consumer pay, manufacturers act as a collecting agent on behalf of govt same as distributors and traders.

But the keyword here is consumer pay. Consumer far exceeds manufactures or biz ppl. They will make noise. So end of the day ppl here might like , ppl elsewhere may not.

But i'm all for it, SST is a pain to manage for manufacturers and i work for one
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end users making noise is a normal thing. Coming this July also end users will feel the big jump in prices on everything. This is because without any input tax credit wholesalers will add an additional 10% on almost everything from the list including fruits.
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jun 11 2025, 11:37 AM)
He tor Sui the entire Chinese race with the bad decisions made during his tenure as FM. The expectation was high. N what happened Afeter his tenure ended.

Someone abused position on the lhdn charges on Najib n son.
Reduced lrt line n MRT line spec n labeled it saving. Saving means sane spec but lower cost not reduced spec.
GST.
He was very vengeful against Sarawak. Vengeful against mca to the level he was willing to meddle the funds allocation for UTAR. My nephew studying at UTAR past time die due supported PH n defending them. After the UTAR episode. Quiet like a kitten

N oh still remember his own Fellon Musk side kick aka Tony the Puaka? I don't even want to start on him
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people who are vengeful and always have personal vendetta are not fit to lead.

maybe they're good at selling the party ideals and rally support based on emotional hatred, but taking the big seat means every decision should be based on logic and common sense.

hence technocrats will always be the better choice taking the hot seat. It's better if the constitution can dilute powers given to MP positions where their decisions need to be approved by majority voting from appointed seasoned officials in the same field.

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jun 11 2025, 11:37 AM)
He tor Sui the entire Chinese race with the bad decisions made during his tenure as FM. The expectation was high. N what happened Afeter his tenure ended.

Someone abused position on the lhdn charges on Najib n son.
Reduced lrt line n MRT line spec n labeled it saving. Saving means sane spec but lower cost not reduced spec.
GST.
He was very vengeful against Sarawak. Vengeful against mca to the level he was willing to meddle the funds allocation for UTAR. My nephew studying at UTAR past time die due supported PH n defending them. After the UTAR episode. Quiet like a kitten

N oh still remember his own Fellon Musk side kick aka Tony the Puaka? I don't even want to start on him
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PMX or Nobita?
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PMX or Nobita?
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Nobita lah. Where got other FM like him one. One of a kind.
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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 11 2025, 10:26 AM)
I’m not sure how it is in other sectors, but in my field — one round of getting scolding is more than enough. We learn, we avoid repeating the same mistake.
But this administration? They seem happy getting scolded - knowing they will get scolding.

Every time the government update the list — sure will be scolded.

You think tax consultants don’t need to attend courses and seminars just to keep up with the changes?
You think corporates or SMEs don’t have to send their accountants and HR to retrain just because someone felt like tweaking another list?

So much time and resources wasted just to absorb the impact of these brainless decisions.

Anyone with common sense would aim to manage a smaller, focused list.
But no — our government proudly goes the other way.

They know they’ll kena tiu every single time — and still go ahead anyway.
Really seems like they’re asking for it.
Butt itchy for a public scolding — again and again.

Sometimes, I start wondering whether the decisions were made to benefits the one giving talks & seminars - every year new list, every year new talk la - expenses on the conference room, training, etc.

Honestly, this Chinese poem sums it up way too well — it’s almost like it was written just for them :-

说你又不听,
听你又不懂,
懂你又不做,
做你又做错,
错你又不认,
认你又不改,
改你又不服,
不服你也不说,
说你又不听,
听你又不同。


Shuō nǐ yòu bù tīng,
Tīng nǐ yòu bù dǒng,
Dǒng nǐ yòu bù zuò,
Zuò nǐ yòu zuò cuò,
Cuò nǐ yòu bù rèn,
Rèn nǐ yòu bù gǎi,
Gǎi nǐ yòu bù fú,
Bù fú nǐ yě bù shuō,
Shuō nǐ yòu bù tīng,
Tīng nǐ yòu bù tóng.

Translated version

You’re told, but you don’t listen.
You listen, but you don’t understand.
You understand, but you don’t act.
When you act, you mess it up.
When you're wrong, you don’t admit it.
Even if you admit it, you don’t change.
When asked to change, you resist.
And when you resist, you still say nothing.
You get told again — and still don’t listen.
Even if you listen, you still disagree.

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same as this....?


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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:20 AM)
Coz eventually GST will be re-implemented, just a matter of when...

Of coz if Madani wins again, probably won't be so soon...

PN or BN then yes...
Yes I also heard of the problem with refunding...

I think GST just need to really scope those essentials items on 0% and starts small like 3% for soft landing then only adjust accordingly...

But talk much also useless la, just enjoy the fiasco that Madani continue to bring la for now
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I am not praising Madani, don't get me wrong.

They've screwed up a lot, there are still a lot of laws of reforms they need to enact.

But in place of Madani who else?

That useless sampah PeeN and Puas?

those taliban kopi'Oah retards can't run shit in the government.

everyday talking Racing n Rejegen
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For sure some form of taxes will need to be increased as Malaysia has been over budgeting/overspending.

Be it SST, GST, XXXX APLJ Tax. Ultimately will need to pay more be it in diff name/term.

So ultimately, find more or use less money.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Jun 11 2025, 03:37 AM)
Why are you unhappy paying SST?

Like you say it's just a form of tax?

There is no tax that are better or worse

All taxes have their pros and cons

Fact is GST you pay more, and SST you pay less

So, where got people in the world happy paying more taxes to government?

Like I say before, people keep bring up GST because of political reasons only  whistling.gif
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For a salaried workers and tax evaders, HUGE difference.

With GST, those tax evaders also have to pay tax.

Therefore, the tax bracket of salaried worker got REDUCED. I think it was 2 or 3% lower.


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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jun 11 2025, 03:47 AM)
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Under GST, the Chinese will benefit more and yet LGE says 95% of them don't want benefit. And they say the Chinese are smart with money, I am not sure.


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Later no face
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Very conlanfirm true. It is all about EGO and FACE.

Those Gov people & politicians also does not know what saving time and resources means at all!
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Price hike, tax hike, fuel hike, utilities hike

Next GE, vote accordingly
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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maybe sked bodo civil servant kenot handle, like najib era last time.
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GST is good
But bijan abused it
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QUOTE(Kawekawe @ Jun 11 2025, 07:17 PM)
Price hike, tax hike, fuel hike, utilities hike

Next GE, vote accordingly
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Malaysia already end game lol, only left the worse or worst for u to vote. Last GE nobody win, end up country no cabinet for many days, last last barely run the country with rojak parties. When country is weak a leader who is struggling weakly for centuries take power. When country is dead puas will come in like crows picking on rotten bodies
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GST is just better. Too bad it has become some kind of political boogeyman
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ubah bersih GST!
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QUOTE(and85rew @ Jun 11 2025, 07:51 PM)
GST is good
But bijan abused it
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Bijan didn't abuse it. He was trying to retain his vote base by having an exemption list which make the GST much harder to implement and execute.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Jun 11 2025, 08:32 AM)
Exactly. I concur. You pay tax as you consume.

Ego too big to u-turn and living in denial
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just like most /ktards ego too big to u-turn and admit they were bodoh to support this.
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QUOTE(McDullDull @ Jun 11 2025, 08:35 AM)
Coz everything that came from zaman Jibby is bad and wrong.
Nothing can be right...
only zaman Madoni correct...
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BR1M also from zaman Najib so kena abolish? what is good we must accept not simply bantah? GST is better and simpler.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jun 11 2025, 06:52 PM)
I am not praising Madani, don't get me wrong.

They've screwed up a lot, there are still a lot of laws of reforms they need to enact.

But in place of Madani who else?

That useless sampah PeeN and Puas?

those taliban kopi'Oah retards can't run shit in the government.

everyday talking Racing n Rejegen
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BN still an option you know...Oh wait Zahid decide to serve loyally under Anwar...So nope...

Even BN decides to solo also still Zahid, so nope as well. UNLESS Zahid lose in GE but BN wins...Oh the probability...
If Tok Mat leads kan bagus...

PN wise most probably PAS won't govern la but Muyihiddin...Ah crap...

We are so cooked aren't we?

But you know, that's the very reason why Madani dare to go gung-ho like this coz they very well know that for sure lots of people think like you...

That Madani is the best(?) even though all bad apples and people will sort of force to vote them regardless(?)

I won't be surprised if next GE the voting % won't be as high as previous GE...
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:25 PM)
BN still an option you know...Oh wait Zahid decide to serve loyally under Anwar...So nope...

Even BN decides to solo also still Zahid, so nope as well. UNLESS Zahid lose in GE but BN wins...Oh the probability...
If Tok Mat leads kan bagus...

PN wise most probably PAS won't govern la but Muyihiddin...Ah crap...

We are so cooked aren't we?

But you know, that's the very reason why Madani dare to go gung-ho like this coz they very well know that for sure lots of people think like you...

That Madani is the best(?) even though all bad apples and people will sort of force to vote them regardless(?)

I won't be surprised if next GE the voting % won't be as high as previous GE...
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Oh you are wrong, I will go out.

I rather have a broken down government than a talibanie donkey camel age government imposing on you what to do with your life and everyday blaming minorities.

BN can't stand on its own, is either with PN or PH.

I don't think tok mat is strong enough to stand on his own.

Life is already so so hard, why would I want to make it harder not to vote and let those gaji buta Puas govern.


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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:25 PM)
I won't be surprised if next GE the voting % won't be as high as previous GE...
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I will draw turtle in the next GE
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If want keep face

Simple solution

Implement gst but change the name e.g. abc, ssd, htz, dll
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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the brain deads u supports to wear shorts in PJ and janji bukan puas
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GST --- lost all supporters.
SST --- the keep add-on features, more created formula, dedicated job expand, process evolved.

Expert Pro mode turn on --- tongue.gif
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Because ktards love to minum kencing madani.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Jun 12 2025, 08:19 AM)
Oh you are wrong, I will go out.

I rather have a broken down government than a talibanie donkey camel age government imposing on you what to do with your life and everyday blaming minorities.

BN can't stand on its own, is either with PN or PH.

I don't think tok mat is strong enough to stand on his own.

Life is already so so hard, why would I want to make it harder not to vote and let those gaji buta Puas govern.
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I certainly not mentioning you, and even judging by your previous response, I already know you are gonna vote Madani regardless anyway...

Anyway, mine also was just speculation...

Who knows, perhaps many will still vote just for the sake of don't want PN to govern...
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Jun 12 2025, 08:35 AM)
I will draw turtle in the next GE
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My advice, if you want to do that then don't queue early2, just go last min, no one queue-ing, can draw what ever turtle you want haha
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The most stupid thing is to draw or spoilt the vote, this will only enhance the traditional seats party winning chances. Those traditional seats will be very happy with all these spoilt vote as mostly will vote for the opposite of them, if you dont like them then use your vote wisely not wastefOOly.

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If Anwar goes GST means Najib is right and PH been lying and wrong all along … PH worse decision is to terminate GST.
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PH didnt terminate, but reduce it to 0%.. They can easily change the SST % to 0% and increase GST to what ever % they want..
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 12 2025, 10:00 AM)
I certainly not mentioning you, and even judging by your previous response, I already know you are gonna vote Madani regardless anyway...

Anyway, mine also was just speculation...

Who knows, perhaps many will still vote just for the sake of don't want PN to govern...
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Its like what ever shit happen, its not going to be more worst if PN is the gov right?
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Undilah PAS. They will implement GST 10% and RM2 = USD1!!!
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QUOTE(darkdkay @ Jun 12 2025, 10:28 AM)
Its like what ever shit happen, its not going to be more worst if PN is the gov right?
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**shrugs**

After seeing Madani now VS what we had hoped for, who knows anymore about more shit haha...

What makes me feel sad is that previous 2 GE, we had literally hope to vote for, but next GE?

There is still time for Madani to make it right wei, 2 freaking year to go, like someone's reply, if die die cannot GST, just change the name la and set it 3% or something...

Stop those CCP tracking...

Find way to make everyone life easier, economy better etc2...

Not here say no money and press the rakyat, while take those money to sponsor elsewhere...


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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 11 2025, 08:20 AM)
Now for SST, we have at least 5 categories: 0%, 5%, 6%, 8% and 10%

Why can't we just condense it all, and tax EVERYTHING under a singular Goods and Services tax rate? From an implementation, tax compliance and tax policing perspective, isn't this going to be easier?

For consumers also, you pay tax as you consume. Don't have this bullshit that this item exempted, that item exempted etc. That provides so much room for leakages to occur.

Which brain dead idiots run these policies?
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AGREE.

all companies still have the old GST program, software. we can just enable it back.

easy.

we know, PMX malu la. GST is synonym with Bijan. cannot follow Bijan's legacy
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 12 2025, 10:00 AM)
I certainly not mentioning you, and even judging by your previous response, I already know you are gonna vote Madani regardless anyway...

Anyway, mine also was just speculation...

Who knows, perhaps many will still vote just for the sake of don't want PN to govern...
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anybody can change.

like Nik Aziz allowed Puas to empower itself.

but at the moment, don't see any change in their position, and the cadres there are all used 90% of the space in their minds to think about dap, dap, dap everyday.

They absolutely forgot about fostering racial unity, development, employment, economy, amenities, solving social problems and issues.

So they are very sampah, to the lowest sampah. All gaji buta, sit down there, just blame dap and nons punya hobbies like beer and vernacular school. No solution whatsoever.
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Its like what ever shit happen, its not going to be more worst if PN is the gov right?
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If PN puas is good Singapore already let them in la, everyone know they're bunch of uneducated folks leecher, spending more than earning. In the end b40 suffer more
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 12 2025, 10:50 AM)
**shrugs**

After seeing Madani now VS what we had hoped for, who knows anymore about more shit haha...

What makes me feel sad is that previous 2 GE, we had literally hope to vote for, but next GE?

There is still time for Madani to make it right wei, 2 freaking year to go, like someone's reply, if die die cannot GST, just change the name la and set it 3% or something...

Stop those CCP tracking...

Find way to make everyone life easier, economy better etc2...

Not here say no money and press the rakyat, while take those money to sponsor elsewhere...
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cause got voters like hoonanoo

no matter what happen. vote is there

that is the reality now
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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:25 AM)
Its political.

The downside of SST is well known. GST tax everything then manage exempt list. SST have to manage tax list and also an exempt list. Hence SST scope is always smaller than GST. Issue of double tax also higher. SST administrative cost is higher than GST. That's why countries always move from SST to GST.

Bolehland is the only country in the world moving the other direction. Boleh!
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from the data with GST the GOV collected more revenue.
SO who is payin that extra ?? my guess ..the consumers means why pay more Taxes?

Here's a breakdown of the revenue collected under GST and SST in Malaysia, according to the Ministry of Finance:

GST Collection (April 2015 - May 2018): RM184.8 billion
SST Collection (September 2018 - 2023): RM150.4 billion


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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Jun 11 2025, 09:26 AM)
nothing stopping gov from having GST higher specifically for alcohol or pork or car.

It's just that SST applied at vendor level, not consumer level for most items.
Therefore, 5% SST on your 5 bucks worth of carrot would not be 25 cents. It could be 20 cents only assuming retailer bought from wholesaler/farmer at RM4 for same amount.

That being said...... I still have to pay fucking SST for roti I bought at Hero Market bakery.... but not Hero market supermarket....
padahal they bake in the same place....owned by the same company... just sold at different corners of the same building.....  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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My employer sells googs and services, but only pay SST for services.

To get around SST, just bundle service into goods.
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QUOTE(sonypshomer @ Jun 11 2025, 08:55 AM)
Just implement GST but call it VAT. Easy

- Lapiji
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they are implementing GST but call it SST
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QUOTE(Momo33 @ Jun 12 2025, 12:52 PM)
from the data with  GST  the GOV  collected more revenue. 
SO  who is payin that extra ?? my guess  ..the  consumers  means why pay more Taxes? 

Here's a breakdown of the revenue collected under GST and SST in Malaysia, according to the Ministry of Finance:

GST Collection (April 2015 - May 2018): RM184.8 billion
SST Collection (September 2018 - 2023): RM150.4 billion
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5 years SST collect less than 3 years GST

and now keep expanding the scope by phases

tax escalating is for sure
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Well...drop water face if GST ada balik.. whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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what some people dont understand is that when tax collect less, expenditure keep going up, the difference has to be made up by borrowing.

Borrowing = pay interest. Hence with SST, rakyat still end up paying in the end. Just a question of current gen or next gen.

Interest payment = RM50 BILLION a year.

SST expansion will close gap but still not enough.
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Now out from the Madanonz pee yem mouth....


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QUOTE(tahfeikei @ Jun 11 2025, 04:25 PM)
same as this....?


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Yes but the one you showed seemed like shorter version.
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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jun 15 2025, 09:32 PM)
Now out from the Madanonz pee yem mouth....


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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:25 AM)
If Anwar goes GST means Najib is right and PH been lying and wrong all along … PH worse decision is to terminate GST.
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Any increase of tax will be bad news to those that kena lah...doesnt matter GST, VAT, SST, etc

So lets find ways to earn more or use less jer.
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stupid Madani, this so bad for biz and create inflation for consumers

no input tax make this even worse than GST
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Jun 11 2025, 08:25 AM)
If Anwar goes GST means Najib is right and PH been lying and wrong all along … PH worse decision is to terminate GST.
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What PH doing now is also not what they have been preaching, so any different?
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