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That's Toyota supply chain self admit not so environmentally friendly.

Hydrogen lel

Toyota 2025.

Lol

nak plotek ICE spare part vendors lettew

toyolta lel

Toyota has huge advantage in drivetrain (engine + gearbox).

It's tough for them to throw those away & start fresh.

EV car sikit crash already total lost. Buy and throw.

Meanwhile reliable ICE car can last for many years.

Kesian

Japan has become so incompetent nowadays

I belip, especially coming from old Japanese men 100% truth right there

only toyota pickup can conquer the rough terrain of ladang kelapa sawit .
what else can do the job if not toyota ??
most importantly middle easterners have verified its ruggedness in the wild.

This post has been edited by teckyuan: Jun 10 2025, 10:40 PM

if use solar can consider green?

True. All terrorist there went with Toyota pick up

While I certainly not agree on single EV is as dirty as three hybrids, I do agree that there is no rush to phase out ICE car too quickly...

BUT, Toyota really should start more invests in EV as EV really is the future here.

lol ev is making global warmng worse.
all conned by ev makers.

Yes, the manufacturing of electric vehicles (EVs) does contribute to higher carbon emissions than the production of gasoline-powered cars. While EVs have a lower carbon footprint during operation, their manufacturing process, particularly the production of batteries, involves energy-intensive extraction, processing, and transportation of raw materials, leading to significant emissions.

Almost 4 tonnes of CO2 are released during the production process of a single electric car and, in order to break even, the vehicle must be used for at least 8 years to offset the initial emissions by 0.5 tonnes of prevented emissions annually.
https://earth.org/environmental-impact-of-b...ery-production/

Heard they negotiatiing to buy over bankrupt Neta.

Insta EV tech transfer and their factories ready to roll out toyoda new EVs…

But not sure if CCP will allow a foreign co to buy over motherland EV brand

This post has been edited by max_cavalera: Jun 10 2025, 11:29 PM

indirectly saying ev dont last long.

Already Toyota partnership with GAC.
And going into production is the bZ7, all-electric sedan which debut at the 2025 Shanghai Auto Show.
Designed specifically for the Chinese market through the GAC-Toyota joint venture.
The bZ7 is the first Toyota to feature Huawei's HarmonyOS cockpit system and possibly the Huawei ADS advanced driving system.

Last time wumao narrative also like that before beiyandiu is a thing. Now lalang liao.

Then y Toyota launch ev?
Lmao

In bolehland
- Petrol still cheap
- Hybrid more expensive than ICE
- EV got tax exemption and rebate

Past - ICE
Present - ICE, EV
Future - ICE, EV, Hydrogen

they won't. Look at Toyota line up esp their prius. It's a hybrid. It's like a snake oil seller peddling his own wares

Like the Chinese say “电车省油不省钱，油车省钱不省电”

https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/hybrids-are-better

Toyota- Mostly hybrid ICE or plus can electric charge or combine with hydrogen fuel.
Not really like Tesla or BYD kind of BEVs..

Toyota: EV is bad, EV is not the future, EV is not sustainability.
Toyota yesterday: We have 15 EV models masterplan for 2027

please google bZ5

Talk so much but hydrogen failed

Continue make cars that ppl understand, leave the push for new tech for others so it won't fail like Tesla pushes EV and make EV works lol

Toyota engine + Aisin gearbox. Definition of reliability.

Yes one & only BZ series. But They design BZ3, BZ5, BZ7 bcoz of China. Built also Join venture with BYD. Sold only in "China"..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_bZ5

It just about not to lose face & market in China. Change badge only..
Not that Toyota really built by itself..

since condemn ev...why launch?
hypocrite?

Don't think Hydrogen is the future though...

Maybe more future then yes...

But hydrogen better than EV?

This post has been edited by zidane28: Jun 11 2025, 09:14 AM

Bcoz they just want "big $$$$$$$$$$" from Chinese.. China dont care about environment.
BYD also help; Toyota put badge. If u given that choice. Just take it la.

In native Japan or even EU where CO2is concern. There is no sale.

1 Tesla vs 3 hybrid

topkek this toyoda can be malaysian politician already, sudah brapa kali pusing

toyota: EV 3 times as dirty as Hybrid
at the same time toyota: producing ICE

double standard BS i can even smell from my screen

cakap boycott tapi Toyota sendiri mau built EV hub at China, macam politician ni

EV is making the city cleaner, almost no carbon dioxide when travel around if compare with ICE car. Even with electricity generation, the power plant can use carbon capture storage to store all the carbon emission and emit lesser compare to ICE car.

Break even sure boleh more than 8 years, even the old tesla car battery was reuse as solar battery storage. The most crucial question is how do we recycle all the battery, until now no any big demand in the market and causing company reluctant to pour resources in.

Hypocrite isnt it?

Hydrogen until now has not proven its worth in US, especially in California, a lot of the Mirai owner has complain hydrogen is more expensive than petrol/diesel. The only way for future is Green hydrogen.

The hydrogen temporarily station at Putrajaya cost RM15mil to set up, just for 50kg storage only, the cost of petrol station cost mostly about RM3-4mil (large one), one DC charger maybe cost RM200k for 2 bay. How to breakeven in long run with the high storage cost of hydrogen.

And just by selling AT gearbox to other car manufacturers = huge profit.

Major gearbox manufacturers like Aisin & ZF, had thousands of patent registered.

China car manufacturers if wanna R&D their own AT gearbox, is at least 15-20 years behind.

Toyota- Mostly hybrid ICE or plus can electric charge or combine with hydrogen fuel.
Not really like Tesla or BYD kind of BEVs..

Consumers don't care about being environmental friendly.

Probably will prevail in Sarawak where they have green hydrogen production using hydro

https://maps.app.goo.gl/UVea8imLMQt23vPb9

Production is one thing, storage and transportation cost a lot more. Problem is who is going to develop all the hydrogen infrastructure for the whole sarawak. A large scale of hydrogen need a lot more tank for storage.

Mining rare earth is not environment friendly. Please stop using rare earth....

To me, Toyota is like a kid shouting for attention at an abandoned corner. After a while, the kid will crawl out to join the other boys because he has no one to play with.

They are no.1 car maker in the world in terms of volume sold. Not a kid but a world leader that others will listen to

see you in Toyota 2030

lemme guess, the 'other boys' are BYD, GWM, and Geely?

This post has been edited by Sichiri: Jun 11 2025, 12:35 PM

Toyota does not go into EV all out because Toyota does not believe that the EV is the future but more on hybrid for now. I think Toyota is working together with BMW developing the hydrogen engine.

People just does not realize that most electrical power is generated from coal and the pollution from coal is much deadlier than previously thought. Study shows that the the pollution from coal to power the EV is more than the pollution generated by car powered by petrol. Furthermore, soon car batteries probably will become another pollution problem.

One of my friend said, the only way that EV can be really green, apart of battery pollution is when the method of generate electricity is green as well...

Green method include hydro, solar and nuclear.

But those green method really not yet as established as coal...

I think ultimately Toyota ops for Hydrogen technology as their green technology is due to they can use back most of existing gasoline ICE engine parts for Hydrogen ICE Cars which in turn maintain the current Eco-system that they had built over the years while still cater to the green part...

Hydrogen also got its future, but same thing need to established the charging network 1st la...

The main thing is that the hydrogen can be filled like petrol but battery cannot be charge as instant

You trust the combustion of industrial grade coal generator which is closely maintained for peak profit efficiency or some 30 years old ICE under maintained 80% of the time?

Do you know the production, storage and transportation of hydrogen will always consume more energy than it can produce?

How much pollution from EV in 30 years?

they pretend like the whole supply chain of petrol they use is clean, ignoring pollution from oil & gas extraction, refining till distribution and delivery to end user

oh well

like vacuum tube maker make shit tonne of noise when semiconductor is a thing

in the end, PhD in vacuum tube can only be garbage collector

Same league as Nikon, Kodak, Olympia No.1 but stuck in an abandoned corner.

ICE engine probably not efficient as electrical engine but coal power plant also convert around 1/3 of energy from coal to electricity. another 6% loss during transmission before reaching your house

so energy loss from wellhead till petrol pump no need to count lo?

oh well, for some, petrol appear magically at petrol station

You read properly la My first sentence already said ICE engine is not efficient like EV

Sarawak got 3 premier was gifted from state government

But see what Abang Jo driving today

You mean you want Toyota to suffer the same fate like 400 Chinese EV makers that has ceased operations in China for the past 5 years?

of course ,no one's stopping them to transform into a museum piece

Toyota new CHR pon now BEV only

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_C-HR%2B