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Toyota argues single EV is as dirty as 3 hybrids!
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 Jun 11 2025, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 10 2025, 11:08 PM) While I certainly not agree on single EV is as dirty as three hybrids, I do agree that there is no rush to phase out ICE car too quickly... BUT, Toyota really should start more invests in EV as EV really is the future here. Toyota does not go into EV all out because Toyota does not believe that the EV is the future but more on hybrid for now. I think Toyota is working together with BMW developing the hydrogen engine. People just does not realize that most electrical power is generated from coal and the pollution from coal is much deadlier than previously thought. Study shows that the the pollution from coal to power the EV is more than the pollution generated by car powered by petrol. Furthermore, soon car batteries probably will become another pollution problem.  |
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Jun 11 2025, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 11 2025, 01:12 PM) One of my friend said, the only way that EV can be really green, apart of battery pollution is when the method of generate electricity is green as well... Green method include hydro, solar and nuclear. But those green method really not yet as established as coal... I think ultimately Toyota ops for Hydrogen technology as their green technology is due to they can use back most of existing gasoline ICE engine parts for Hydrogen ICE Cars which in turn maintain the current Eco-system that they had built over the years while still cater to the green part... Hydrogen also got its future, but same thing need to established the charging network 1st la... The main thing is that the hydrogen can be filled like petrol but battery cannot be charge as instant  |
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Jun 11 2025, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(msacras @ Jun 11 2025, 02:11 PM) You trust the combustion of industrial grade coal generator which is closely maintained for peak profit efficiency or some 30 years old ICE under maintained 80% of the time? How much pollution from EV in 30 years? |
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Jun 11 2025, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:17 PM) they pretend like the whole supply chain of petrol they use is clean, ignoring pollution from oil & gas extraction, refining till distribution and delivery to end user oh well ICE engine probably not efficient as electrical engine but coal power plant also convert around 1/3 of energy from coal to electricity. another 6% loss during transmission before reaching your house  |
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Jun 11 2025, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Jun 11 2025, 02:29 PM) so energy loss from wellhead till petrol pump no need to count lo? oh well, for some, petrol appear magically at petrol station You read properly la  My first sentence already said ICE engine is not efficient like EV |
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