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Toyota argues single EV is as dirty as 3 hybrids!
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 Jun 11 2025, 12:21 AM
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Jun 11 2025, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE(zidane28 @ Jun 10 2025, 11:08 PM) While I certainly not agree on single EV is as dirty as three hybrids, I do agree that there is no rush to phase out ICE car too quickly... Past - ICEBUT, Toyota really should start more invests in EV as EV really is the future here.  Present - ICE, EV Future - ICE, EV, Hydrogen |
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Jun 11 2025, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jun 10 2025, 10:10 PM) Show us the data first ... they won't. Look at Toyota line up esp their prius. It's a hybrid. It's like a snake oil seller peddling his own wares |
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Jun 11 2025, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(Hsing Tien @ Jun 10 2025, 11:22 PM) EV main purpose not carbon emission, is to save fuel money Like the Chinese say “电车省油不省钱，油车省钱不省电” |
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Jun 11 2025, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jun 10 2025, 10:10 PM) Show us the data first ...  https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/hybrids-are-better smallcrab liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(sunami @ Jun 11 2025, 12:20 AM) Then y Toyota launch ev? Toyota- Mostly hybrid ICE or plus can electric charge or combine with hydrogen fuel.Lmao Not really like Tesla or BYD kind of BEVs.. |
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Jun 11 2025, 08:47 AM
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Toyota: EV is bad, EV is not the future, EV is not sustainability. Toyota yesterday: We have 15 EV models masterplan for 2027 yhtan liked this post
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Jun 11 2025, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 11 2025, 09:43 AM) Toyota- Mostly hybrid ICE or plus can electric charge or combine with hydrogen fuel. please google bZ5Not really like Tesla or BYD kind of BEVs.. |
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Jun 11 2025, 08:48 AM
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Talk so much but hydrogen failed
Continue make cars that ppl understand, leave the push for new tech for others so it won't fail like Tesla pushes EV and make EV works lol |
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Jun 11 2025, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 10 2025, 10:22 PM) Toyota has huge advantage in drivetrain (engine + gearbox). Toyota engine + Aisin gearbox. Definition of reliability.It's tough for them to throw those away & start fresh. |
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Jun 11 2025, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(sunami @ Jun 11 2025, 08:47 AM) please google bZ5 Yes one & only BZ series. But They design BZ3, BZ5, BZ7 bcoz of China. Built also Join venture with BYD. Sold only in "China"..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_bZ5 It just about not to lose face & market in China. Change badge only.. Not that Toyota really built by itself.. |
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Jun 11 2025, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 11 2025, 10:08 AM) Yes one & only BZ series. But They design BZ3, BZ5, BZ7 bcoz of China. Built also Join venture with BYD. Sold only in "China".. since condemn ev...why launch?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_bZ5 It just about not to lose face & market in China. Change badge only.. Not that Toyota really built by itself.. hypocrite?  |
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Jun 11 2025, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 11 2025, 08:18 AM) Past - ICE Don't think Hydrogen is the future though...Present - ICE, EV Future - ICE, EV, Hydrogen Maybe more future then yes... But hydrogen better than EV? This post has been edited by zidane28: Jun 11 2025, 09:14 AM |
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Jun 11 2025, 09:17 AM
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QUOTE(sunami @ Jun 11 2025, 09:12 AM) since condemn ev...why launch? Bcoz they just want "big $$$$$$$$$$" from Chinese.. China dont care about environment.hypocrite? BYD also help; Toyota put badge. If u given that choice. Just take it la. In native Japan or even EU where CO2is concern. There is no sale.  |
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Jun 11 2025, 09:19 AM
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1 Tesla vs 3 hybrid
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Jun 11 2025, 09:32 AM
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topkek this toyoda can be malaysian politician already, sudah brapa kali pusing
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Jun 11 2025, 09:35 AM
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toyota: EV 3 times as dirty as Hybrid
at the same time toyota: producing ICE double standard BS i can even smell from my screen |
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Jun 11 2025, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 10 2025, 10:10 PM) cakap boycott tapi Toyota sendiri mau built EV hub at China, macam politician ni  QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Jun 10 2025, 11:20 PM) lol ev is making global warmng worse. EV is making the city cleaner, almost no carbon dioxide when travel around if compare with ICE car. Even with electricity generation, the power plant can use carbon capture storage to store all the carbon emission and emit lesser compare to ICE car.all conned by ev makers. Yes, the manufacturing of electric vehicles (EVs) does contribute to higher carbon emissions than the production of gasoline-powered cars. While EVs have a lower carbon footprint during operation, their manufacturing process, particularly the production of batteries, involves energy-intensive extraction, processing, and transportation of raw materials, leading to significant emissions. Almost 4 tonnes of CO2 are released during the production process of a single electric car and, in order to break even, the vehicle must be used for at least 8 years to offset the initial emissions by 0.5 tonnes of prevented emissions annually. https://earth.org/environmental-impact-of-b...ery-production/ Break even sure boleh more than 8 years, even the old tesla car battery was reuse as solar battery storage. The most crucial question is how do we recycle all the battery, until now no any big demand in the market and causing company reluctant to pour resources in. |
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Jun 11 2025, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 11 2025, 10:17 AM) Bcoz they just want "big $$$$$$$$$$" from Chinese.. China dont care about environment. Hypocrite isnt it?BYD also help; Toyota put badge. If u given that choice. Just take it la. In native Japan or even EU where CO2is concern. There is no sale. |
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Jun 11 2025, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(knwong @ Jun 11 2025, 08:18 AM) Past - ICE Hydrogen until now has not proven its worth in US, especially in California, a lot of the Mirai owner has complain hydrogen is more expensive than petrol/diesel. The only way for future is Green hydrogen.Present - ICE, EV Future - ICE, EV, Hydrogen The hydrogen temporarily station at Putrajaya cost RM15mil to set up, just for 50kg storage only, the cost of petrol station cost mostly about RM3-4mil (large one), one DC charger maybe cost RM200k for 2 bay. How to breakeven in long run with the high storage cost of hydrogen. |
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