1. Losing a tower/bunker means reduced honor. Alliance bunker is quite easy to defend where Hunter can get range inside the bunker while Horde tower, I have to turn on Aspect of The Monyet and start meleing any incoming enemy.

2. Tower gone means reduced marshalls too. So protecting towers is vital for your team winning chance.

3. Horde as usual, eat gnome for breakfast and human for lunch, reducing enemy resources is another way of win. This means when you killed 1 alliance, 1 reinforcements will be gone. Reduce their reinforcements up to 0 will ensure a win.

4. 3 hours AV will be a norm. No more 15 mins PVE race.

5. AV honors will be reduced and quite comparable with AB and WSG. So no more Honor grinding in AV. Those who going for pure PVP and epic battle, will queue for new AV.

6. Group queue reintroduced


Somebody should write an epic book on AV like -

Idiot's Guide to AV
Alterac Valley Bible
Alterac Valley Secrets Exposed


See you guys in new AV, and for Alliance, please stop AFKing. We need some challange in Bloodlust.

cant wait to curb stomp alliance in full glad crews. lawl to group q's. dawn of arena teams invading AV to hell.

what i've seen so far....ppl have stop playing avs and moved past it for farming honor. But its ab daily quest so could have made a difference. But loads of ppl complaining how long av takes now.

Edit - holy shit i just got 800honor from an av.

This post has been edited by Kurei: Nov 14 2007, 02:28 PM

because people arent used to not being able to EZ-mode farm honor now and they all go waa waa waaa.

sometimes people just forgotten that pvp is really that simple, which is to, player versus player. rewards are pretty much just icing on cake.

Well its pretty much a norm now that u use bg to farm honor and arena to serious pvp. I myself treat bg like a fun instance. Go in and just kill. Cbf guarding or winning. lol.

well thats mainly cuz ur honor capped. while the rest arent. but still, if all you think about bg is honor points, it will get old really really damn fast, and pretty much kill your fun.

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just played 2.3 av, and i have to say, blizz has done a VERY DAMN FINE job in correcting AV, and is on the right path of making it an actual BG.

and as for you whiners whining about av's lack of farmability, 400-600 honor in 20-30 mins, isnt so much different than pre 2.3, and mind you, its non-holiday AV.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 15 2007, 01:14 AM

While I understand why they changed AV, I must admit that I miss the old AV days. Tug of war over Snowfall for 3-4 hours. The only way to push is by either having the wolves + ground assault or even Lok/Ivus. Hell, I've been in games that last more than 24 hours, and this was before x realm. That was quite enjoyable, and employed a lot more tactics than the current rush zerg. i admit, I haven't tried 2.3, but from what I've read, its nothing like old AV either.

stalemates suck, nothing worthwhile to miss.
this AV do have tug of wars going on, but it aint gonna last over 24 hours, and thats great.

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oh as a matter of fact, ive won like 2 AV without killin vandarr, just lol zerg and kill them until reinforcements run out.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Nov 15 2007, 02:09 PM

Just won my first AV in weeks yesterday, earned 11g, 3 marks, 1080 honor and to realise that I'm still honor capped

But I thought that it's more fun now. Glad that 40 vs 40 is back. No more "You don't touch my GY and I dont touch yours. I don't kill you and you dont kill me, and we race to generals kk?"

40 vs 40 is shytcrazy.

I love what they've done to AV. True, it's nowhere near as epic as the original AV which could last for days. But the way it is now, even if a game is going horribly wrong, it won't take more than an hour (most probably less than half an hour).

Hooray for the return of PvP (and group effort) to AV!

Horde strat : Wipe them at Galv> IB def > Stealther ninja 2 mines > Cap watever towers you can reach > Keep fighting till alliance run out of reinforcement.

I barely see any match reach Vandaar after 2.3 patch. By the time horde reach SPGY, alliance almost finish all their reinforcement and horde holds 300-400 gap away from alliance.

cuz having more reinforcements > *

if you manage to stay above 550 reinforcements, taking out ALL GY AND TOWERS, AND killing van, you gain ALMOST 800 honor...
while alliance... lol 0.


yes... 0.
lol. /pity

how come the AV-All Stars isn't saying anything about the new av? I'm still waiting for his expert insight....

Somehow, my battlegroup go back to the old mentality. Zerg rush.
Maybe its just AV weekend.

Heh, void crystal prices skyrocketed to 25g per piece in my server before S3 release.
Managed to get 2 stacks of underpriced voids 2min before server shutdown.

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Added on November 30, 2007, 2:54 amGosh, AV has become AFK nightmare again for the past 2 weels/
Nubs sitting in caves and getting resilience gear.

This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Nov 30 2007, 02:54 AM