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 Habislah ICE, final nail started., Solid State Battery mass production...

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ameliorate
post May 27 2025, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ May 27 2025, 04:59 PM)
Engine moving parts won't breakdown easily with proper care and maintenance. The number failure for ICE is excessive usage without proper maintenance.

EV with multiple electronics will breakdown first. Shorts, weak battery, faulty sensors and more will force any EV into limb or protection modes.

By design, EV is simpler than ICE is correct but the operation is very complicated.

Ok older ICE, u only need 3 working sensors to start the car namely crank sensor, airflow or MAP and camshaft position sensor. That's all. The car will start and u drive to a workshop for major work done or DIY if capable.

On EV, it is mostly software and many many active sensors. U can DIY unless u have the parts and skill to do it.
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Similar argument people like you make when cars change from manual to auto transmission. You need to get with the times. Ev will get better and better, ice never improves.


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post May 27 2025, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ May 27 2025, 05:58 PM)
Fuel is expensive in Japan.
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the pint is industry moving to hybrids so soon ice only will be gone all go hybrid..no choice anymore

even our fuel cheap there are ppl that still buy hybrid..can save more fuel is what ppl care
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post May 27 2025, 08:29 PM

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Good. Ice will still win until oil run out
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post May 27 2025, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ May 27 2025, 08:24 PM)
Similar argument people like you make when cars change from manual to auto transmission. You need to get with the times. Ev will get better and better, ice never improves.
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ICE don't need improvements because it is perfect as it is. With a simple basic ECU, it will start up and run.

EV is like an alpha project and always kept evolving. Hardly will reach beta release any time soon. Because it is more software based, it has plenty of bugs.

I will move to EV if gomen lets me convert some of the old jalopies like the infamous VR4 or Pajero into EV. From here, I can pick the right controller, batteries and features.
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post May 27 2025, 10:03 PM

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post May 27 2025, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ May 27 2025, 09:56 PM)
ICE don't need improvements because it is perfect as it is. With a simple basic ECU, it will start up and run.

EV is like an alpha project and always kept evolving. Hardly will reach beta release any time soon. Because it is more software based, it has plenty of bugs.

I will move to EV if gomen lets me convert some of the old jalopies like the infamous VR4 or Pajero into EV. From here, I can pick the right controller, batteries and features.
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When global car sales on ICE is reducing year by year, car manufacturer will be reluctant to pour more fund into developing new ICE car, u will forever stick with old type of engine and transmission with minor facelift changes.

Don't forget the parts for ICE will be increase because the volume is declining, spare parts will be sacred and maintenance for ICE car will goes up.
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post May 27 2025, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ May 26 2025, 10:19 PM)
I thought ccp will be the first. Kena overtake by VW.
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Gotion is CCP
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post May 27 2025, 10:10 PM

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Soon big discount for lithium battery EV?
diffyhelman2
post May 27 2025, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 27 2025, 10:03 PM)
When global car sales on ICE is reducing year by year, car manufacturer will be reluctant to pour more fund into developing new ICE car, u will forever stick with old type of engine and transmission with minor facelift changes.

Don't forget the parts for ICE will be increase because the volume is declining, spare parts will be sacred and maintenance for ICE car will goes up.
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Right now ice cars still far surpass ev sales outside of China. Old trans and engine isn’t really a downside because ice engines have pretty much been perfected since the 90s. Just think why Toyota so reliable, is because they used proven old design for many many years.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 27 2025, 10:27 PM)
Right now ice cars still far surpass ev sales outside of China. Old trans and engine isn’t really a downside because ice engines have pretty much been perfected since the 90s. Just think why Toyota so reliable,  is because they used proven old design for many many years.
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Keep for further laugh.

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JonSpark
post May 28 2025, 12:45 AM

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post May 28 2025, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(empstar2 @ May 28 2025, 12:39 AM)
Keep for further laugh.

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yeah, nokia was doing fine until 3g data and Iphone came along. so far hard to see BYD and tesla as an iphone moment compared to a toyota. i can still pretty much use one to do 99% of the stuff EV does plus some other feature EV cant do. if FSD where totally autonomous driving can only be implemented on EV and not ICE, thats an iphone moment for ICE cars.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 28 2025, 01:06 AM)
yeah, nokia was doing fine until 3g data and Iphone came along. so far hard to see BYD and tesla as an iphone moment compared to a toyota. i can still pretty much use one to do 99% of the stuff EV does plus some other feature EV cant do. if FSD where totally autonomous driving can only be implemented on EV and not ICE, thats an iphone moment for ICE cars.
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Yi Long Ma keep saying FSD coming soon coming soon until people now have to say FSD and "totally autonomous driving" together in one sentence.
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ May 28 2025, 01:11 AM)
Yi Long Ma keep saying FSD coming soon coming soon until people now have to say FSD and "totally autonomous driving" together in one sentence.
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I laugh a bit when articles come up about tesla fsd or byd god eye and then in the same paragraph say china etc enforcing stricter laws where drivers eye must be on the road and hand must be on steering wheel with full attention when FSD/god eye mode is activated. seems it would be more tiring than just driving. or its like really advanced cruise control.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ May 28 2025, 01:15 AM)
I laugh a bit when articles come up about tesla fsd or byd god eye and then in the same paragraph say china etc enforcing stricter laws where drivers eye must be on the road and hand must be on steering wheel with full attention when FSD/god eye mode is activated. seems it would be more tiring than just driving. or its like really advanced cruise control.
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Who needs FSD when almost 20 years ago eFukt already posted a video titled, "Fucking While Driving,"?
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post May 28 2025, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(dawnreaver @ May 27 2025, 08:55 AM)
cheap EV
RM30k with
0-100 KM/H in 3.5 seconds,
1000KM range,
recharges from 0-80% in 10 minutes
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QUOTE(empstar2 @ May 27 2025, 11:05 AM)
10 years -15 years down the road u will have one..
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BYD just lowered their China prices, Seagull now Rmb56K (Myr33K) likely in anticipation for new models with better tech incoming.
0-100 within 7-8 seconds is fast enough, range say 600km WLTP and recharge to 80% in 10min

My estimate arriving in 3-5 years
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post May 28 2025, 01:47 AM

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ASSB NCM LFP
Costs US$150/kWh US$67/kWh US$50/kWh
Energy Density 350Wh/kg 200Wh/kg 100Wh/kg
Life Span 8,000 cycles 1,500 cycles 5,000 cycles
Charging Time Fastest Faster Fast
Fire Risk Lowest High Low

ASSB does not perform well in extreme cold temperature.

So, today's EV cars with NCM and LFP batteries, how.? Habis lah.!
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post May 28 2025, 02:29 PM

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EV cars with ASSB will be about 30%-50% more expensive than those with NMC or LFP batteries but longer range, lighter, last longer and much safer from self-combustion.

Hence VW will only be offering ASSB to premium EV cars first.

For non-premium EV car buyers, it will be worth it to pay more for ASSB. Hence habislah for today's EV car models with NMC and LFP batteries.
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post May 28 2025, 02:36 PM

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first nail only, need at least 10 years for final nail lah
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post May 28 2025, 08:13 PM

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I bet those EV heater never drive EV before.

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