TLDR:

- Honda forecast until 2030 will be the very early years of EV development.
- 2030-2050 will be the matured and peak period of EVs technology.
- Honda discover that by using electric motor to power the car, they can reduce the car cost massively by omitting/eliminating the costly CVT gearbox. The petrol/diesel engine will be used to just power the elecric motor and small size battery in the near future.
- Honda discovered the latest next gen hybrid tech can significantly reduce the overall cost production of each vehicles.
- ADAS comprehensive safety feature is significantly cheaper and more efficient to be implemented in EV vehicle instead of ICE vehicle.
- Expect Honda to transition to next gen hybrid more aggressively from 2025-2035 before slowly migrating to full EV in the distant future.

* min 31:30 Honda bos reconfirm, mid to long term perspective: EV is the BEST solution. For now they will focus on transitioning tech; next gen hybrid.

This post has been edited by IccyAsd: May 26 2025, 02:15 PM

Battery price cheap too in future?

yup. for future...

so now, just sit back rilex and vroom vrom with ICE...

This post has been edited by brkli: May 26 2025, 11:00 AM

Yay, so now i still continue enjoy with my ICE first

future - 2030 the early years so plenty of time to let it really matured first

neway thanks to those early adopter white mice feedbacks and comments to make it better for us.

This post has been edited by KevProp: May 26 2025, 11:02 AM

so 2030 only buy?

is it like the Nissan Kicks e-POWER instead of BEV?

They dun need oversized battery to power car. Use small engine cukup to charge battery. No need to find chargers or worry can’t finish the journey. Less wear and tear or battery degradation.

Yes. Japanese moving one step at a time towards this. For now next gen Hybrid will be key player until 2035

Maybe by that time got modular battery d.

You go to charging station, pay a fees, to change the battery instead of charging. Then continue on the road
Then maybe is even faster than ice pump petrol

i think the e-POWER is the best solution.. more practical compare to pure EV, at least during these few years in Malaysia

honda malaysia ke?

is not too late, still main hydrogen?

Might as well you bring a long one of those pasar malam portable generators



This post has been edited by h4r8_kIlLeR: May 26 2025, 11:08 AM

the inability to adapt to rapidly changing markets led to downfall

TLDR: Eh boleh cut cost, kita buat

Hahah

Early adopters of unproven technology also bodo...

looks like they going the range extender route like nissan kick

current batteries might be cheaper due to being "old tech" by then.
solid state batteries will be high end
sodium ion will be low end
but when they first appear the price chasm will be huge

Good, give us Honda City EV for RM90k pls
Not Made in China please

That would be the Nissan E-Power. But its never got traction since introduction.

Honda forecast HEV (Hybrid EV) is going to dominate the market by year 2030, BEV (Battery EV) is only about 10-20% of total sales. Honda still die die believe in Hybrid system.

petrol/diesel - electric is the best instead of plug in EV... no need charger.... proven technology.... can apply to any type of vehicles..

these technology already proven in mining industry for ages..

by then unker old liao. no need EV, drive jer your existing ICE.

Can reduce cost but still well over 100k kek then ckd issue here and there and quality not on par

can say goodbye to vtec after this

Every country Honda except Honda Malaysia
😂

This is Honda Global press briefing outlining Honda Global future goals and strategy… the policy will effect all Honda market region.

2035?

10 more years, or more

Japanese fanboi: next gen hybrid FTW!

CCP fanboi: PHEV & EV FTW!

Okay will revisit EVs after 2030.

Keep ICE cars for now 😁👍

they should focus more on hybridising their entire lineup

no more ICE option for low spec / mid spec

They know all these long time ago, they just don't want to do it because they want you to continue feed them $$$ to service the car.

Hybrid got 2 system to maintain and service. Good money maker for servicing for japanese carmaker 💸💸💸💸💸👀

sau pei lo, 2030-2050 baru mau peak?

CCP land now already peak la

mcm mana mau bertanding???

inb4 deisei abandon fuel cell project

Hybrid cheaper to provide yet milking from Hybrid they sell....

They could have battle with EV with their Hybrid by lowering price, but is ok Japanese Car is doomed anyway

By then Vtec can fetch a good price if well maintained

Belum peak lagi.

Solid state battery not yet masuk mass market yet…

Solid state battery game changer; 30-50% reduce battery weight = 40-80% more range efficiency for EVs. Longer range with almost double watt energy density. Very low chance of getting thermal runaway/fire.

Honda can give it to you... but Malaysia gov got different idea

anyway- why svck d1ck with japanese out-dated tech?
u gotto wake up on how much CCP shits around you la.

Honda eN1 rm150k got.

Lower end probably next gen hybrid the best you can get

Keyword is there.

Honda discover that by using electric motor to power the car, they can reduce the car cost massively by omitting/eliminating the costly CVT gearbox. The petrol/diesel engine will be used to just power the elecric motor and small size battery in the near future.

If CN cars can prove reliability as good as Toyota then I don't mind supporting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsTNoEbOVUE

well... already started.
btw... all similar driverless EV truck has also been used in some major port to handle container off loading from ship to yard.

China been doing that for quite some time now, can google about Nio battery swap technology.
I believe currently the Japs & Conti want to go for solid state battery which claim to charge faster and hold larger capacity for long distance.

well it is good if coming out from honda / toyota, maybe 2050 can see some real high tech stuff for once before our death

Toyota has long been a proponent of solid-state cells. It has said it believes EVs will not be suitable for mass adoption until solid-state batteries arrive. But even mighty Toyota has struggled to get solid-state cells into production. It first showed a prototype solid-state cell 15 years ago, in December 2010. Through most of the 2010s, it said it would put solid-state cells into production by 2020. In late 2023, the company announced that date had slipped to 2027.

looking at the pace, probably 2050, or will never happen

what honla and toyota before this say is dont buy any ev for now buy their hybrid wait until they catch up in 10 years time lol

thats what happen when they stuck, when world moving to digital era they didnt now have to come out with all sort of silly excuse to stop ppl buy ev and not their ice lol

I boughted Honda City Hybrid i-DCD 2nd gen Honda Hybrid system for RM89k back in 2018.

Honda City top of the line V-Spec was RM92k if i was not mistaken that time.

need cheap battery and advance solar technology to generate clean and cheap energy.

Honda is scaling investment on EV by 21 billion...

they are focusing on Hybrid more.....

that list of 2026 to name a few....would be in Civic , CRV, HRV and their other bigger MPV and SUVs lines...

They are in the midst to use their 4th gen hybrid engines that would be 2 emotors along their ICE engines.



Just to post a random few car sites.

https://electrek.co/2025/05/20/honda-commit...-as-sales-rise/

https://insideevs.com/news/760093/honda-ev-...ut-hybrid-push/

Its Honda. They already have EV cars.
Its the Toyota that still refused EV

Toyota invested heavily on hydrogen.

Instead, others straight away use EV.

ROI from hydrogen ecosystem, how?

nope, if u ask unker, now oni develop already late, coz u will be playing chasing game with CCP oni.

Should have all in on hydrogen, mcm ni baru ade hope.

wait till japan mega earthquake, car cannot jalan because no electricity.

How high is the risk for a megaquake now?

The chance of a larger quake occurring in the area in the next week or so is about one in several hundred times, seismologist Naoshi Hirata of the University of Tokyo said Thursday at a joint news conference with the JMA. The chance of a magnitude 8 or 9 earthquake occurring in the Nankai Trough within the next 30 years is 70 to 80 percent, he also said.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/japan-i...arthquake-alert

This post has been edited by Phoenix_KL: May 26 2025, 01:05 PM

unker also think toyota strategy is best

ICE/hybrid transition into Hydrogen hybrid then fully hydrogen.

whoever touch EV will be oni kena drag by CCP and tesla.

Ok don't buy hybrid
Don't buy EV
Continue use ICE cars.

See how after 2030

Again EV is Blu-ray. Hydrogen combustion is streaming. Waiting for the cost to go down. Only. Cost had gone down from 60kw to produce 1kg of hydrogen to 30kw. Target now is 10kw per kg of hydrogen. After this 5kw per h2kg? After that? EV electricity cost going down anytime soon?

PM X no inform any plans to increase RON 95 price YET.

Long live my manual Toyota well into 2030s.

go see nio how many minutes to change battery

Hopefully next month BMX dont do the ‘suprise! Madakafa!!’ Ron95 increase then 🤣

Nio battery swap is not modular.

I wish all EV makers can standardise their single big battery into universally compatible modular batteries.

Smaller EV use less modular batteries larger EV use more.

hydrogen is still EV just different form saja.

plus the market for Hydrogen declining right now

maybe hydrogen can put more focus on commercial

Plus Toyota know considering buy over CCP branded car from China.

Meanwhile CEO Batu..

nvm

Future or Failure?

hydrogen hahahahha

end up get sued by those buy into toyota promised future

focus on commercial first, need alot development like ev to be viable for consumer..too much issue for now

Ev companies can tahan so long boh…

Sticking with ICE probably a better deal, since China is flooding the market with EV cars. In about 8 years from now, when all the warranty run out, battery dead and software obsolete... boi those cars aren't moving anywhere anytime other than the scrap yard.

10 years old tesla model s still alive and kicking. only idiot will think battery will drop dead the following day after the 8 years warranty over.

your ipong battery still ok after 1 year warranty?

just wait 2nd generation EV in kambing .

Hatchback with 600km or 700km
Sedan with 800km above
SUV with 800km above
MPV with 500km above

at this moment EV still in war each other

masa smartphone keluar pun macam tu juga
Iphone & Samsung gaduh-gaduh.
in kambing Xiaomi ...all spec with good prices.

u think so easy like WIFI and USB standard?

each manufacturer had their own strength and agenda so who follow who? CCP gomen?

no to ev

Honda EV ada RV kah? Siapa cakap EV ada RV yg bagus.

Cars refresh typically 5-10 years. Even like the Honda Civic FC, the refresh was delayed because of Covid and the refresh was extended to 6 years before Civic FE came out.

Yes, 10 years for Tesla models, sure look at their car sales now. Even BYD out sale Tesla now.

Of cause there are other factors battery might not drop that on the 8th year, maybe cause the car hardly used etc... but even before 8th year, battery also causing issues to cars, either blowing up or cause cars to stall.

Hey, don't have to believe me, my ICE cars are holding resale value pretty well.

Tan Chong mah..bunch of old farts clinging to past successes like 120Y, Sunny and Sentra. Any new tech push aside..
Maciem P2 in future, sell car onli, batteries not included.



This post has been edited by pgsiemkia: May 26 2025, 03:41 PM

lol toyota already knew this 15 years ago.

who say cannot use after 10 years high mileage somemore and no more warranty on battery

smol generator to power small pack of batteries, naiisee

Not sure if I misunderstood, but I think Honda will be going with a hybrid EV instead of full EV. It will not only be for charging the battery or it would be very inefficient.

Instead of continuous switching of gears like on a CVT, they use the engine for pickup and vroom vroom. And then switch to the electric motor for cruising.

I think.

Meaning 20-30 years later? Makes sense la for me. That’s why I keep saying now is not the time.

These Japanese ICE makers are desperately hoping that it would be 20 to 30 years later because they have missed the boat, badly betting wrongly on wrong techs.

No expertise in new generation EV battery and EV software at all, what do you expect them to do? Of course they can hope only.

That's why they can only sell EVs made by China joint-venture manufacturers under their own brand at the moment.

No wrong or right. Many manufacturers also bet on EV many decades also, end up all failed badly, hence ICE reign till today. Who dare to say EV will win this time and won’t repeat previous failures?

EV will win this time because current EV models from China are already enjoying success because of their lower prices and very good performance. Just not too long ago you can only buy an EV for a few hundred thousand ringgit. Now you can get one for one hundred thousand ringgit. Lower if CKD policy replaces CBU policy in half a year's time.

When BlackBerry (the then number 1 mobile phone company in the world) CEO saw the iPhone announcement, he thought "Long way to go, current mobile network won't be able to keep up, we still got many years to sit back on our traditional product".

Less than 10 years later, BlackBerry got wrecked and forgotten.

No harm sticking to ICE, but to totally ignore EV is a mistake as well.

This post has been edited by Mixxomon: May 26 2025, 05:28 PM

You doubt the Chinese ability to make battery at cabbage prices?

EV is the future?

It in nowlah, what future

Live in cave is it?

Yeah, the future to their profits must be, but doing it wrong with their EV Hr-V.

Can reduce cost but selling price every year increase...

tesla first EV is around 2008. BYD first EV around 2009. and now is 2025, honda still talking like this?? still need another 10 years before honda get replaced by BYD and/or other car manufacturer??

Tesla show how to do it, others don't get it don't have a good product their EV can't sell so they blame the whole ev lol

Existing manufacturer has a vested interest not to develop to deeply into EV because it will cannibalize their existing market share. That's why you need a non automobile company like Tesla who has every interest to make it work.

Kodak did the same thing. They invented digital camera but did not develop further because it's eating their traditional film business. Others develop the technology and killed Kodak in the end.

This post has been edited by Mixxomon: May 26 2025, 05:43 PM

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2035 is only because of the government EV mandate by CCP China, California + 12 liberal US states, Canada, UK, the EU, Australia, etc, ie only new EV cars can be sold on 1 Jan 2036.

But there is pushback against the 2035 EV Mandate, eg, .......

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/senate-gop-set...nuclear-option/ - Senate votes to revoke California's EV emissions waivers - 22 May 2025
The Senate on Thursday voted to revoke three vehicle emissions waivers in California, a controversial move that the chamber's parliamentarian says Republican lawmakers may not have the right to make.

The vote was 51-44, with Democratic Sen. Elissa Slotkin of Michigan joining Republicans in voting in favor of revoking the waivers.

Ahead of the vote, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, called it "the nuclear option."

The three waivers the Senate revoked set stricter vehicle emissions standards than federal regulations. Two waivers relate to reducing tailpipe emissions from medium and heavy-duty vehicles, as well as limiting smog pollution from trucks.

The last is what's frequently called California's "EV mandate," a rule that aims to phase-out gas powered cars and require all new vehicle sales in California be zero emissions by 2035. The rule to phase out gas powered vehicles goes into effect in 2026.

California was granted the ability to enact stricter vehicle emissions standards than the federal government under the Clean Air Act in a process that involves receiving a waiver from the Environmental Protection Agency if the regulations meet certain requirements. The three waivers in question were approved by the Biden administration's Environmental Protection Agency in 2024. ...
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: May 26 2025, 05:50 PM

Yes.. future like in 2100..

to beat EV have to be Hydrogen ICE.

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/756263


Our analysis proved that batteries can last longer — because when the manufacturer [makes] the battery, it can last about 15 to 20 years. But the lifespan of the battery is reduced by the weather, driving conditions and recharging mechanisms,” says Jay.

By refurbishing hybrid batteries using this approach, HiiVolt can extend battery life by another three to five years — cutting down on both waste and cost.

Fuuu specialist in refurbishing batteries 3rd party sudah ada

Machem high skilled industry

They have the market cornered, sure they won't try to break it..making billions without competition anyone get comfy

Until Tesla come and sold a package, a car plus charging and the software in line with modern life..suddenly ppl are buying a Tesla than ice..it's such a threat need to spend money propaganda against ev and keep trying to stop or delay ppl buying ev lol

https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/756680

Revisions by BYD include paring the price of its Seagull hatchback to 55,800 yuan (US$7,780 or RM32,609), a 20% reduction to a model that was already the carmaker’s cheapest and one that had garnered global attention for its sub-US$10,000 price tag. The Seal dual-motor hybrid sedan saw the biggest price cut at 34%, or by 53,000 yuan to 102,800 yuan.