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post May 24 2025, 07:08 PM, updated 7 months ago

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JOHOR BAHRU (May 24): Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said the government is prepared to review the implementation of the e-Invoice system by the Inland Revenue Board (IRB) to ensure it does not place an undue burden on small companies.

“We will look into it because e-Invoicing is very important to prevent leakages and revenue loss.

“But for small companies, it can be quite burdensome. So, God willing, we will make improvements so that it does not become a burden,” he said when winding up his policy speech at PKR's national congress as the party president on Saturday.

Keke..... That's why I don't wanna start implementing e invoice. Kejap tukar tukar.
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JOHOR BAHRU: The government is prepared to review the implementation of the e-Invoice system by the Inland Revenue Board (IRB) to ensure it does not place an undue burden on small companies, says Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.

"We will look into it because e-Invoicing is very important to prevent leakages and revenue loss

"But for small companies, it can be quite burdensome. So, God willing, we will make improvements so that it does not become a burden,” he said when winding up his policy speech at the PKR 2024/2025 National Congress, which concludes on Saturday (May 24).

The e-invoicing initiative began in August 2024 for companies with an annual turnover or revenue of more than RM100 million. The second phase started on Jan 1 this year for businesses with annual sales of between RM25mil and RM100mil.

The third phase of the full implementation of e-invoicing will begin on July 1, involving all types of businesses, including micro, small and medium enterprises (MSMEs).

Anwar, who is also Finance Minister, said Malaysia is among the countries that provide the highest amount of subsidies.

"For example, with the (adjustment of electricity tariffs), 85% of users are not affected, but our way of explaining it was weak and as for gas subsidies, that's valid. Some small companies and others are still facing difficulties, even though provisions are in place to cover their losses.


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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 24 2025, 07:08 PM)
JOHOR BAHRU (May 24): Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said the government is prepared to review the implementation of the e-Invoice system by the Inland Revenue Board (IRB) to ensure it does not place an undue burden on small companies.

“We will look into it because e-Invoicing is very important to prevent leakages and revenue loss.

“But for small companies, it can be quite burdensome. So, God willing, we will make improvements so that it does not become a burden,” he said when winding up his policy speech at PKR's national congress as the party president on Saturday.

Keke..... That's why I don't wanna start implementing e invoice. Kejap tukar tukar.
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post May 24 2025, 07:22 PM

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Revenue above RM500k, implentation is July 2025..

Now only wanna talk review??

This post has been edited by Natsukashii: May 24 2025, 07:23 PM
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Lemma same as gst again later, after change system pay upgrade this that then tak guna


Who will refund the money?
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GST GST GST! Just f.king do it. 4% is good.
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Same, dowan spend2 upgrade infra what later uturn say not needed. Ayam MSME will wait for the final week only revisit this BS.

In the meantime offtopic abit, anybody got do the employee agreement stamping they're trying to enforce?
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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ May 24 2025, 07:22 PM)
Revenue above RM500k, implentation is July 2025..

Now only wanna talk review??
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E-invoice makes GST so easy friendly to use ..lol
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really troublesome la this einvoice. imagine small cap ayam company earning peanuts also must do. should only enforce for sdn bhd companies. enterprise no need
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QUOTE(zoozul @ May 24 2025, 09:09 PM)
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Taboule bang, big companies already started implementing it. If uturn later they retaliate back
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wow ron 95 remove. e invoice remove.

all this happen right after rafizi lost.

now i know why anwar want to remove rafizi. because everything he's doing musrt be the right thing. politicians cant stand other politicians doing the right thing.
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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ May 24 2025, 11:21 PM)
wow ron 95 remove. e invoice remove.

all this happen right after rafizi lost.

now i know why anwar want to remove rafizi. because everything he's doing musrt be the right thing. politicians cant stand other politicians doing the right thing.
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Seems like these two policy got a reason to sink together with
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QUOTE(buffa @ May 24 2025, 07:59 PM)
GST GST GST! Just f.king do it. 4% is good.
I dont care if PH u-turn on GST.
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Garverment want to kekal kuasa 5 tahun lagi keep things down sst no gst no invois.


Even minyak control price kennot naik too much or else lose putrajaya kerusi.


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QUOTE(billylks @ May 24 2025, 11:07 PM)
Taboule bang, big companies already started implementing it. If uturn later they retaliate back
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QUOTE(billylks @ May 24 2025, 11:07 PM)
Taboule bang, big companies already started implementing it. If uturn later they retaliate back
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Rumours from someone in this forum was min turnover of 500k, kena implemented e-invoice. Almost similar to GST. Then it defeats one of the purpose of e-invoice, which is to target the smaller industries.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ May 26 2025, 01:48 PM)
Rumours from someone in this forum was min turnover of 500k, kena implemented e-invoice. 
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My client kena implement this.

Ayam one of the vendors who help implement e-invoice to the billing systems. How do I summarise it? Chaotic!
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QUOTE(billylks @ May 26 2025, 01:55 PM)
My client kena implement this.

Ayam one of the vendors who help implement e-invoice to the billing systems. How do I summarise it? Chaotic!
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It is normal la when implementing new systems. I still recall the Y2K then. How we stayed up whole night to ensure nothing goes wrong….. that was the major implement cross the world that I implemented from ERP system in my life. Did some work on JD Edwards also but in the end, the company shifted to SAP. More suitable for manufacturing environments vs JD Edwards.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ May 26 2025, 01:59 PM)
It is normal la when implementing new systems.  I still recall the Y2K then.  How we stayed up whole night to ensure nothing goes wrong….. that was the major implement cross the world that I implemented from ERP system in my life.  Did some work on JD Edwards also but in the end, the company shifted to SAP.  More suitable for manufacturing environments vs JD Edwards.
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Actually to implement it is not a big deal.
But since many vendors involve (got many billing systems because got many products), so there are syncing problems.

The main vendor who claimed got experience in e-invoice is the slowest to implement their part. Now all are pending because of this incapable vendor. I say my client deserves it for selecting this vendor without going through a proper tender selection.
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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ May 24 2025, 07:22 PM)
Revenue above RM500k, implentation is July 2025..

Now only wanna talk review??
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Eh, I tot its 150k and above ?
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luckily cash business no need einvoice or whatever tax so leceh.
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QUOTE(billylks @ May 26 2025, 02:05 PM)
Actually to implement it is not a big deal.
But since many vendors involve (got many billing systems because got many products), so there are syncing problems.

The main vendor who claimed got experience in e-invoice is the slowest to implement their part. Now all are pending because of this incapable vendor. I say my client deserves it for selecting this vendor without going through a proper tender selection.
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So it is the system interfaces that is the issue. Not the e-invoicing process or SOP, if I hear you correctly.
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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ May 26 2025, 02:06 PM)
Eh, I tot its 150k and above ?
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Me too but I think one forummer plouffle (if I am not mistaken) mentioned that rumours saying it was min turnover of 500k.
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QUOTE(BL98 @ May 26 2025, 02:10 PM)
luckily cash business no need einvoice or whatever tax so leceh.
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Well, if you intend to get tax payback or tax exemption from purchases, you still have to get the e-invoices as proof of purchases.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ May 26 2025, 02:19 PM)
Me too but I think one forummer plouffle (if I am not mistaken) mentioned that rumours saying it was min turnover of 500k.
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GST sajelahh...
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Already said this puak is not competant to rule the country
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malao, u mean puak DAP? M4A1
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QUOTE(danabu @ May 24 2025, 07:09 PM)
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Company already invest over 100k on this...now you said review....really
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The sweet corn vendor at my local pasar malam also will start e-invoicing in July.

Guess what, harga jagung pun naik.
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QUOTE(ShadowR1 @ May 26 2025, 02:26 PM)
Wua, niamagefulat ... like this banyak pening leh ...
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Nvm. Just plan for compliance by end of year.
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The sweet corn vendor at my local pasar malam also will start e-invoicing in July.

Guess what, harga jagung pun naik.
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Low income country buat mcm high income country level 😆
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malao, u mean puak DAP? M4A1
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that time during GST ad got some small business choose to close down due to old uncle aunty dun wan trouble with the system

change back SST then another batch of closing down
now implement e invoice - many will close down summore

finally U turn lagi, another batch of closing down

bagus thumbsup.gif

some type can continue the protest of hak diminish again sebab less business pay tax hence the tongkat amount getting lesser thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(Najibaik @ May 26 2025, 03:18 PM)
that time during GST ad got some small business choose to close down due to old uncle aunty dun wan trouble with the system

change back SST then another batch of closing down
now implement e invoice - many will close down summore

finally U turn lagi, another batch of closing down

bagus  thumbsup.gif

some type can continue the protest of hak diminish again sebab less business pay tax hence the tongkat amount getting lesser  thumbsup.gif
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They can do like this... Existing onces stay untouched, only new biz after implementation date kena... yawn.gif
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As usual, dumb implementation.

My clients bought products from company then lhdn send them e-invoice payment , siao liao
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remove subsidy petrol, einvoice byk hal, GDP tipu
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QUOTE(fongsk @ May 26 2025, 02:21 PM)
Well, if you intend to get tax payback or tax exemption from purchases, you still have to get the e-invoices as proof of purchases.
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no pay tax, why need tax payback or tax exemption?

that's the beauty of cash business.

summor can get government handout and benefits as categorized as B40
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They can do like this... Existing onces stay untouched, only new biz after implementation date kena... yawn.gif
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will still got new tongkat shows up demanding tongkat for new business open
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 24 2025, 07:08 PM)
JOHOR BAHRU (May 24): Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said the government is prepared to review the implementation of the e-Invoice system by the Inland Revenue Board (IRB) to ensure it does not place an undue burden on small companies.

“We will look into it because e-Invoicing is very important to prevent leakages and revenue loss.

“But for small companies, it can be quite burdensome. So, God willing, we will make improvements so that it does not become a burden,” he said when winding up his policy speech at PKR's national congress as the party president on Saturday.

Keke..... That's why I don't wanna start implementing e invoice. Kejap tukar tukar.
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I think it will not cancel, it is meant to cover up big loophole in current system and detect tax evader near real time.

QUOTE(Carlos_Santan @ May 24 2025, 09:46 PM)
really troublesome la this einvoice. imagine small cap ayam company earning peanuts also must do. should only enforce for sdn bhd companies. enterprise no need
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Even u ada enterprise, your target customer is sdn bhd/berhad, they mau e-invoice, end up u have to generate e-invoice for them also. Unless LHDN stated your revenue per year is below RM150k lah.

QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ May 24 2025, 11:21 PM)
wow ron 95 remove. e invoice remove.

all this happen right after rafizi lost.

now i know why anwar want to remove rafizi. because everything he's doing musrt be the right thing. politicians cant stand other politicians doing the right thing.
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Rafizi punya department didn't handle LHDN, it is MOF controlling LHDN.
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QUOTE(malaozhai @ May 26 2025, 02:29 PM)
Already said this puak is not competant to rule the country
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the top 1% not affected as usal

while the 99% bottom feeders have to learn new implementation all the time

when saman that time which group pay the most?


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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 26 2025, 04:08 PM)
I think it will not cancel, it is meant to cover up big loophole in current system and detect tax evader near real time.
Even u ada enterprise, your target customer is sdn bhd/berhad, they mau e-invoice, end up u have to generate e-invoice for them also. Unless LHDN stated your revenue per year is below RM150k lah.
Rafizi punya department didn't handle LHDN, it is MOF controlling LHDN.
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the rumour was DAP punya idea behind this
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QUOTE(h@ksam @ May 26 2025, 08:10 PM)
the rumour was DAP punya idea behind this
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DAP can control LHDN so powderful? laugh.gif

LHDN all the while memang want to implement this lah, regardless who become the government.
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The government has announced the rescheduling of its e-invoicing implementation for businesses with annual income below RM5 million, stating that it acknowledges the need for sufficient preparation time and other constraints faced by taxpayers, particularly Micro, Small, and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs).

The Ministry of Finance has decided that taxpayers with annual income or sales below RM500,000 are currently exempted from e-invoicing implementation.

The e-invoicing implementation by phase for taxpayers with annual income or sales exceeding RM1 million up to RM5 million is postponed to January 1, 2026.

The e-invoicing implementation phase for taxpayers with annual income or sales up to RM1 million is postponed to July 1, 2026


https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2025/06/05...-to-jan-1-2026/
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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Jun 5 2025, 08:35 PM)
The government has announced the rescheduling of its e-invoicing implementation for businesses with annual income below RM5 million, stating that it acknowledges the need for sufficient preparation time and other constraints faced by taxpayers, particularly Micro, Small, and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs).

The Ministry of Finance has decided that taxpayers with annual income or sales below RM500,000 are currently exempted from e-invoicing implementation.

The e-invoicing implementation by phase for taxpayers with annual income or sales exceeding RM1 million up to RM5 million is postponed to January 1, 2026.

The e-invoicing implementation phase for taxpayers with annual income or sales up to RM1 million is postponed to July 1, 2026
https://www.businesstoday.com.my/2025/06/05...-to-jan-1-2026/
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I think they mistaken 1 mil and 5 mil as 100k to 500k

Smh even they also copy and paste shit everywhere including fmt
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is this confirmed? further timeline delays?
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QUOTE(nelson969 @ Jun 5 2025, 08:38 PM)
I think they mistaken 1 mil and 5 mil as 100k to 500k

Smh even they also copy and paste shit everywhere including fmt
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1mil to 5mil - change to 1st Jan 2026
500k to 1mil - change to 1st Jul 2026(new phase)
500k and below - no E-Invoice
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500k and below - no E-Invoice

Comfirm.??
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So those who kena say slightly above 500k. What's to stop you from closing your business, opening a new one and taking over the original and clear the previous accounts?
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Whilst we talk about companies, how about individual claims for income tax? Do we need e-invoice to be able to considered for tax exemption, eg for purchases like health watches, EVs, E-motors etc…

Anyone has any ideas? Remember that even normal residents is supposedly to be under the e-invoice scheme by end Dec-25. With this scrapping for those under 500k income, how about normal citizens for income tax claims/tax deduction?
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 6 2025, 09:18 AM)
Whilst we talk about companies, how about individual claims for income tax?  Do we need e-invoice to be able to considered for tax exemption, eg for purchases like health watches, EVs, E-motors etc…

Anyone has any ideas?  Remember that even normal residents is supposedly to be under the e-invoice scheme by end Dec-25.  With this scrapping for those under 500k income, how about normal citizens for income tax claims/tax deduction?
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I don't think need e invoice for personal income tax relief. If you see what sst plus e invoice is it's basically gst. A way to pass tax to the consumer.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 6 2025, 09:31 AM)
I don't think need e invoice for personal income tax relief. If you see what sst plus e invoice is it's basically gst. A way to pass tax to the consumer.
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Thanks for clarifying. Cos the earlier directive was we must key in the e-invoice numbers in our tax declaration or smoothing like this and everyone has a digital ID which they can do so.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 26 2025, 09:29 PM)
DAP can control LHDN so powderful? laugh.gif

LHDN all the while memang want to implement this lah, regardless who become the government.
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Once the system is fully in force, they can just write a query to find out which person/company that has been f**king them all this while.
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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Jun 6 2025, 09:44 AM)
Once the system is fully in force,  they can just write a query to find out which person/company that has been f**king them all this while.
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Yes, no more backdated large amount of purchase invoice.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 6 2025, 09:31 AM)
I don't think need e invoice for personal income tax relief. If you see what sst plus e invoice is it's basically gst. A way to pass tax to the consumer.
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Thanks for clarifying.  Cos the earlier directive was we must key in the e-invoice numbers in our tax declaration or smoothing like this and everyone has a digital ID which they can do so.
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In future u need e-invoice to claim tax relief, especially purchase of laptop/smartphone, books, gym subscription, dental/medical, insurance etc.

Won't be surprise LHDN will enforce this to prevent people create fake invoice to claim tax relief.
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Once the system is fully in force,  they can just write a query to find out which person/company that has been f**king them all this while.
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Then found out is boss punya sdn bhd. How? Whistle blow? It will be funny to see tis.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 6 2025, 09:55 AM)
In future u need e-invoice to claim tax relief, especially purchase of laptop/smartphone, books, gym subscription, dental/medical, insurance etc.

Won't be surprise LHDN will enforce this to prevent people create fake invoice to claim tax relief.
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That was my understanding as well.
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KUALA LUMPUR: The Inland Revenue Board (LHDN) today announced that the implementation phase for e-invoices for taxpayers with annual income or sales exceeding RM1 million but not exceeding RM5 million has been postponed to Jan 1, 2026.

In a statement here, LHDN also announced that taxpayers with an annual income or sales below RM500,000 are exempted from the implementation of the e-Invoice system.

"The implementation phase for taxpayers with annual income or sales up to RM1 million has been postponed to July 1, 2026," LHDN said.

The board added that the decision was made after the government recognised the commitments of taxpayers, particularly Micro, Small, and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs), in meeting e-invoice legal requirements, which necessitate adequate preparation time and face numerous implementation challenges.

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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 26 2025, 09:29 PM)
DAP can control LHDN so powderful? laugh.gif

LHDN all the while memang want to implement this lah, regardless who become the government.
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e-Invois under LHDN meh
then how come GST was under Kastam

have you ever heard Najib BN wanted to introduce e-Invois?

essentially with GST in place, there's no need for separate e-Invois mah

why Mahathir Tokong LGE abolished GST, and Mahaidani want to bring e-Invois, is this not LPPL?

govt deficit no money then no money lah, why abolished GST in the first place? Lapizi LGE Mahathir Anwar semua bodo
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 6 2025, 11:22 AM)
e-Invois under LHDN meh
then how come GST was under Kastam

have you ever heard Najib BN wanted to introduce e-Invois?

essentially with GST in place, there's no need for separate e-Invois mah

why Mahathir Tokong LGE abolished GST, and Mahaidani want to bring e-Invois, is this not LPPL?

govt deficit no money then no money lah, why abolished GST in the first place? Lapizi LGE Mahathir Anwar semua bodo
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e-invoice database store in LHDN server, GST place under Kastam because of Najib arrangement, he task Kastam to study worldwide VAT/GST.

e-invoice has been under LHDN planning regardless who in power, the main purpose is to catch the under radar tax evader.

GST back then shouldn't be abolish, in fact they should reduce 1-2% and increase the threshold limit, then slowly amend it. GST and petrol subsidies is politician archilles heel
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 6 2025, 09:18 AM)
Whilst we talk about companies, how about individual claims for income tax?  Do we need e-invoice to be able to considered for tax exemption, eg for purchases like health watches, EVs, E-motors etc…

Anyone has any ideas?  Remember that even normal residents is supposedly to be under the e-invoice scheme by end Dec-25.  With this scrapping for those under 500k income, how about normal citizens for income tax claims/tax deduction?
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with e-invoice, the company who sold the product/service will have to provide the details to LHDN.. consumer don have to do anything..

the kindergarten that my children go to already asking for my TIN..
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with e-invoice, the company who sold the product/service will have to provide the details to LHDN.. consumer don have to do anything..

the kindergarten that my children go to already asking for my TIN..
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Thanks. I always thought it is the consumer to update this for tax deduction in LHDN systems. Look at the fast food receipt. They want u to scan and update urself to get a copy of the e-invoice.

In those regular situations like kindy, CC, etc, maybe they added in as part of software.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 6 2025, 09:55 AM)
In future u need e-invoice to claim tax relief, especially purchase of laptop/smartphone, books, gym subscription, dental/medical, insurance etc.

Won't be surprise LHDN will enforce this to prevent people create fake invoice to claim tax relief.
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Definitely going to be enforce in the future for personal relief. Too many cases of people sharing receipt for computer purchase, mobile phone.
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QUOTE(seather @ Jun 6 2025, 11:33 AM)
with e-invoice, the company who sold the product/service will have to provide the details to LHDN.. consumer don have to do anything..

the kindergarten that my children go to already asking for my TIN..
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if u don't need the e-invoice, u don't have to provide TIN number to them.

Many merchant misunderstand the concept of e-invoice and start asking around TIN number, normally B2C no need, B2B normally will request for e-invoice in order to claim as tax deductible expense.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 6 2025, 07:07 PM)
if u don't need the e-invoice, u don't have to provide TIN number to them.

Many merchant misunderstand the concept of e-invoice and start asking around TIN number, normally B2C no need, B2B normally will request for e-invoice in order to claim as tax deductible expense.
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I think you still have to. The kindy has to key in the customer name and TIN as part of input, if I am not mistaken. This is for traceability purposes.
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I think you still have to.  The kindy has to key in the customer name and TIN as part of input, if I am not mistaken.  This is for traceability purposes.
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For b2c I think no need, but if the c wants to claim tax deductable then..
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For b2c I think no need, but if the c wants to claim tax deductable then..
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So here's the problem. Below 500 mil, don't need to do e invoice.

So if my customer want receipt with e invoice I don't have the system to do it.
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So here's the problem. Below 500 mil, don't need to do e invoice.

So if my customer want receipt with e invoice I don't have the system to do it.
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Below 500k ezempted for now, but the issue is also need to explain to customer your annual revenue

The implementation is just topkek
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I think you still have to.  The kindy has to key in the customer name and TIN as part of input, if I am not mistaken.  This is for traceability purposes.
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You can always say you don't have a TIN yet and the seller has to send the transaction using a consolidated TIN.
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You can always say you don't have a TIN yet and the seller has to send the transaction using a consolidated TIN.
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Just go to LHDN website, key in the IC and it will give you the TIN..
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I think you still have to.  The kindy has to key in the customer name and TIN as part of input, if I am not mistaken.  This is for traceability purposes.
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You only need to give your full name and either yr IC or Tin will do. Of cos you can provide both if you want

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 7 2025, 12:38 AM)
So here's the problem. Below 500 mil, don't need to do e invoice.

So if my customer want receipt with e invoice I don't have the system to do it.
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below 500k lar.
You are not required to provide einv

QUOTE(coconutxyz @ Jun 6 2025, 08:29 PM)
For b2c I think no need, but if the c wants to claim tax deductable then..
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As at now. Normal inv still can claim for personal relief as not yet fully implement E-Invoice
But with current 500k exemption, there will be a lot company not under E-Invoice.
Me not so sure Lhdn can implement next stage of controlling personal relief, other income and etc
It kind of reduced the purpose of e-inv with 500k exemption

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gst is the easiest

why they dun use it ?
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gst is the easiest

why they dun use it ?
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If not how to kencing on their voters? Already promised abolish gst, but didn't promise won't implement new tax system, especially the sohai sst and e invoice
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At this rate they are fucking around, my as well release najib. Let him be the guy to bring gst back then put him under house arrest. Everyone happy
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why they dun use it ?
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it is not the system that is at fault....it is the person implementing it....

and there are ppl here who still thinks that person is great like old mamak.....

a simple read shows people's concern when introduce....but what followed was not of it's purpose but for other intentions....mismanagement....corruption, leakage, wastage spending.....etc.

not really system issue....mostly the human....and it is none other than sg buloh VVIP resident.
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QUOTE(Heroicage @ Jun 7 2025, 08:35 AM)
it is not the system that is at fault....it is the person implementing it....

and there are ppl here who still thinks that person is great like old mamak.....

a simple read shows people's concern when introduce....but what followed was not of it's purpose but for other intentions....mismanagement....corruption, leakage, wastage spending.....etc.

not really system issue....mostly the human....and it is none other than sg buloh VVIP resident.
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Let’s face facts. Even before implementation, PH has gone to town painting fake stories about how GST membebankan rakyat, price go up etc etc. that killed the GST plan !

Implementation stage comes later, which was poor as well. I do not disagree.

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Do small small things ok la...this one straight kacua periuk nasi everyone. Flip open your account book and calculate everything out.

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QUOTE(Heroicage @ Jun 7 2025, 08:35 AM)
it is not the system that is at fault....it is the person implementing it....

and there are ppl here who still thinks that person is great like old mamak.....

a simple read shows people's concern when introduce....but what followed was not of it's purpose but for other intentions....mismanagement....corruption, leakage, wastage spending.....etc.

not really system issue....mostly the human....and it is none other than sg buloh VVIP resident.
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as mamak said accurately : Melayu Mudah Lupa.

during GST time, kastam was sending out teams of officers going around saman every vendor who didn't comply. They even stick a non-removable type sticker on your front door, sort of like a marker showing that you've been marked.

when you submit quarterly returns with negative balance, meaning kastam should refund you immediately for your claim, you will have a hard time to get the refund, probably never if PH didn't abolish it and closed down their operations.


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QUOTE(h@ksam @ Jun 7 2025, 09:44 AM)
as mamak said accurately : Melayu Mudah Lupa.

during GST time, kastam was sending out teams of officers going around saman every vendor who didn't comply. They even stick a non-removable type sticker on your front door, sort of like a marker showing that you've been marked.

when you submit quarterly returns with negative balance, meaning kastam should refund you immediately for your claim, you will have a hard time to get the refund, probably never if PH didn't abolish it and closed down their operations.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 6 2025, 09:18 AM)
Whilst we talk about companies, how about individual claims for income tax?  Do we need e-invoice to be able to considered for tax exemption, eg for purchases like health watches, EVs, E-motors etc…

Anyone has any ideas?  Remember that even normal residents is supposedly to be under the e-invoice scheme by end Dec-25.  With this scrapping for those under 500k income, how about normal citizens for income tax claims/tax deduction?
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Thanks for clarifying.  Cos the earlier directive was we must key in the e-invoice numbers in our tax declaration or smoothing like this and everyone has a digital ID which they can do so.
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I think it's like this, seller issue e-inv. In the e-inv, has your IC/TIN. Then when you do income tax, it automatically already has the data.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 7 2025, 12:38 AM)
So here's the problem. Below 500 mil, don't need to do e invoice.

So if my customer want receipt with e invoice I don't have the system to do it.
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Below 500k ezempted for now, but the issue is also need to explain to customer your annual revenue

The implementation is just topkek
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For those who don't provide e-invoice, aren't the seller/supplier need to provide the IC/TIN/BRN so that the buyer issues self billed e-invoice? Or it's not necessary?


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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jun 7 2025, 02:03 PM)
I think it's like this, seller issue e-inv. In the e-inv, has your IC/TIN. Then when you do income tax, it automatically already has the data.
For those who don't provide e-invoice, aren't the seller/supplier need to provide the IC/TIN/BRN so that the buyer issues self billed e-invoice? Or it's not necessary?
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Yes, that was my understanding as well. To ‘close off the loops from issuance to closing. Anyway, let’s wait for LHDN announcement.
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Here we go again ,our famous u turn culture kick in

The whole point of e invoice is the enforcement target those company sme , revenue below 1 million or 500k

Those are the typical company who always under report their income and enjoy the subsidized to the max,few examples:

Aircon contractor, wire man, cctv installer, small renovation contractor, small tyre shop, workshop, small hand phone accessories shop.

And yes they are using cheap ron 95 to travel around doing business.

And under report their income every year

Most company with more than 1 million revenue, normally are sdn bhd setup ,with proper book audit yearly.
You enforce e invoice on them,
There is nothing to see inside their book,no differences

But when you enforce e invoice inside these contractor ?
Yes suddenly you see their business are so good alr compare to previously few years

At first I ready popcorn to see how this freelancer or contractor facing e invoice
But our lovely government delay the show again

How disappointed
Delay delay then elections come, sure delay again?

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I think it's like this, seller issue e-inv. In the e-inv, has your IC/TIN. Then when you do income tax, it automatically already has the data.
For those who don't provide e-invoice, aren't the seller/supplier need to provide the IC/TIN/BRN so that the buyer issues self billed e-invoice? Or it's not necessary?
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As per lhdn guidelines, self bill e invoice only for those foreigner seller, agent commission, not business owner sell you things(like end user trade in mobile phone to mobile phone shop), etc

If the seller itself is business owners, we can't self billed e invoice

I think the lhdn logic is, they are aiming all business owner issue e invoice at end of the implementation, now those 500k and below exempted is just temporary political compromise.

I guess.
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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jun 7 2025, 02:03 PM)
I think it's like this, seller issue e-inv. In the e-inv, has your IC/TIN. Then when you do income tax, it automatically already has the data.
For those who don't provide e-invoice, aren't the seller/supplier need to provide the IC/TIN/BRN so that the buyer issues self billed e-invoice? Or it's not necessary?
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Self billed only required for few categories, cannot simply issue also

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If not how to kencing on their voters? Already promised abolish gst, but didn't promise won't implement new tax system, especially the sohai sst and e invoice
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Well, sst ain't new and technically e-invoice is not a tax nor it's a tax system. Arguably e-invoice does make it harder to dodge taxes.
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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 7 2025, 09:09 AM)
Let’s face facts.  Even before implementation, PH has gone to town painting fake stories about how GST membebankan rakyat, price go up etc etc.  that killed the GST plan !

Implementation stage comes later, which was poor as well. I do not disagree.
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What weed are you smoking. Before implementation, PH went to town, then that killed the GST plan? Then you Said implementation came later?

So are you saying if pH didnt went against GST, the implementation will be smooth?
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SST has loopholes so einvoice supposedly close the loopholes

GST is the best system cause no loophole and easy to use

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post Jun 7 2025, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 7 2025, 07:59 PM)
What weed are you smoking. Before implementation, PH went to town, then that killed the GST plan? Then you Said implementation came later?

So are you saying if pH didnt went against GST, the implementation will be smooth?
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Even before it was implemented, the public already against GST. The fake news by PH was too effective. Factual.

If PH did not go do fake claims about GST, then you can blame poor implementation. But for this GST case, it was a failed project before implementation due to fake news. And because of the fake claims by PH, none of the PH1.0 and now dare to implement cos they will be found out for kincing :..:
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post Jun 7 2025, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(fongsk @ Jun 7 2025, 08:04 PM)
Even before it was implemented, the public already against GST.  The fake news by PH was too effective.  Factual.

If PH did not go do fake claims about GST, then you can blame poor implementation.  But for this GST case, it was a failed project before implementation due to fake news.  And because of the fake claims by PH, none of the PH1.0 and now dare to implement cos they will be found out for kincing :..:
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No you're wrong about why GST was a failed project. Despite objections from anyone GST was implemented. Kinda successfully depending on whose point of view. Some of issues were late refunds and unnatural price hiked due to some people took advantage i.e. tak mau temporarily lost money while waiting for refund

What you got right was that pH now didn't dare bring back GST. Thus they went for e-invoice in order to cover the weakness of sst.

Bare in mind, e-invoice was not a feasible method years ago but now, not that difficult
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post Jun 8 2025, 06:31 AM

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QUOTE(tupai @ Jun 7 2025, 10:22 PM)
No you're wrong about why GST was a failed project. Despite objections from anyone GST was implemented. Kinda successfully depending on whose point of view. Some of issues were late refunds and unnatural price hiked due to some people took advantage i.e. tak mau temporarily lost money while waiting for refund

What you got right was that pH now didn't dare bring back GST. Thus they went for e-invoice in order to cover the weakness of sst.

Bare in mind, e-invoice was not a feasible method years ago but now, not that difficult
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Well, I disagree with you on that, though. When a program is not supported, it is bound to fail. Even the latest PADU failed cos not many believed in that and everyone was worried about the security of the database. That PADU db became a rojak cos less than 50 % registered and even lesser updated the systems inputs.

As for e-invoice, it has been on plan long time already and not by PH. E-invoice was supposed to complement GST to go after those who do not fall into the GST scope (ie those SME) and also those who evade taxes. Hence it was set low at 150k turnover for businesses and also for general public(ie LHDN).


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post Jun 8 2025, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(milolauda @ Jun 7 2025, 06:04 AM)
gst is the easiest

why they dun use it ?
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Because its akin to ludah kat langit at the end kena sendiri. It just shows no matter who is the opposition they will justvoppose oppose oppose no matter if the idea is good or not.


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post Jun 8 2025, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(coconutxyz @ Jun 7 2025, 03:08 PM)
Self billed only required for few categories, cannot simply issue also
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If I call a bangla plumber.. or even local plumber (freelance), or local wireman, there is no need self bill e-inv? Sometimes they issue regular resit, or if not, I just get them sign payment received, stated their details and contact. So no need self billed e-invoice?

If I'm correct, this e-invoice is actually pointless because it's them who under report their income.

QUOTE(sansaboy @ Jun 7 2025, 02:43 PM)
Here we go again ,our famous u turn culture kick in

The whole point of e invoice is the enforcement target those company sme , revenue below 1 million or 500k

Those are the typical company who always under report their income and enjoy the subsidized to the max,few examples:

Aircon contractor, wire man, cctv installer, small renovation contractor, small tyre shop, workshop, small hand phone accessories shop.

And yes they are using cheap ron 95 to travel around doing business.

And under report their income every year

Most company with more than 1 million revenue, normally are sdn bhd setup ,with proper book audit yearly.
You enforce e invoice on them,
There is nothing to see inside their book,no differences

But when you enforce e invoice inside these contractor ?
Yes suddenly you see their business are so good alr compare to previously few years

At first I ready popcorn to see how this freelancer or contractor facing e invoice
But our lovely government delay the show again

How disappointed
Delay delay then elections come, sure delay again?
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Right, so I can be doing air-cond business and under report my income, buyer also don't issue self-billed invoice, since for these kind of things, does not fall under self-billed e-invoice part, and I also can always say I'm below rm1m.

Like my friend always say, to which I also agree, people who pay tax is the one they want to be strict towards and want to monitor/control more. Meanwhile, the real ones who under report, still enjoy under reporting.

This post has been edited by Natsukashii: Jun 8 2025, 06:41 PM
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post Jun 8 2025, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(coconutxyz @ Jun 7 2025, 03:08 PM)
Self billed only required for few categories, cannot simply issue also
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It is said that self-billed will be needed for: Acquisitions of goods or services from individual taxpayers who are not engaged in business (applies only if other self-billed circumstances are not relevant)

That itself sort of says every expenses must be e-invoice for tax paying company.

If no e-invoice, then need to issue self-billed e-invoice.



This post has been edited by Natsukashii: Jun 8 2025, 06:46 PM
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post Jun 8 2025, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jun 8 2025, 06:45 PM)
It is said that self-billed will be needed for: Acquisitions of goods or services from individual taxpayers who are not engaged in business (applies only if other self-billed circumstances are not relevant)

That itself sort of says every expenses must be e-invoice for tax paying company.

If no e-invoice, then need to issue self-billed e-invoice.
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Yes pretty much

So the only issue is dunno whether they conduct business or not
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post Jun 8 2025, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ May 24 2025, 07:22 PM)
Revenue above RM500k, implentation is July 2025..

Now only wanna talk review??
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So anwar gov = old bn gov = bad students (those who avoid taxes, compliances, steal electricity) earn more 😂

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post Jun 8 2025, 09:01 PM

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I still kena July 2025

None of my companies sales below 5mil zzzzz despite Covid time


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post Jun 8 2025, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Natsukashii @ Jun 8 2025, 06:40 PM)
If I call a bangla plumber.. or even local plumber (freelance), or local wireman, there is no need self bill e-inv? Sometimes they issue regular resit, or if not, I just get them sign payment received, stated their details and contact. So no need self billed e-invoice?

If I'm correct, this e-invoice is actually pointless because it's them who under report their income.
Right, so I can be doing air-cond business and under report my income, buyer also don't issue self-billed invoice, since for these kind of things, does not fall under self-billed e-invoice part, and I also can always say I'm below rm1m.

Like my friend always say, to which I also agree, people who pay tax is the one they want to be strict towards and want to monitor/control more. Meanwhile, the real ones who under report, still enjoy under reporting.
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If, the counterparty is not einvoice (example: retail) then it's fine.
but things u buy from companies with einvoice, they will file under self bill. Or request for your tin number and stuff.

So if they buy bulk under individual name then do biz under enterprise, then below threshold and sell service to individual, then many is below radar

 

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