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post May 24 2025, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 24 2025, 04:31 PM)
no marney no need say, got marney buy jer tesla and enjoy

never driven one go try it..the acceleration so syiok
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Yes, acceleration so syiok until so many road accidents, .......

- 車禍率遙遙領先于同行,天天往綠化帶上撞,小米汽車獲封"綠化帶戰神"稱號 | 虛假宣傳把用戶當傻子,上千名車主維權退車,雷軍人設崩塌 = The accident rate is far ahead of its peers. Xiaomi cars crash into green belts every day. Xiaomi cars are named "Green Belt God of War" | False propaganda treats users as fools. Thousands of car owners return their cars for rights protection. Lei Jun's personality collapses - 15 May 2025
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post May 25 2025, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 24 2025, 05:35 PM)
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Yes, acceleration so syiok until so many road accidents, .......

- 車禍率遙遙領先于同行,天天往綠化帶上撞,小米汽車獲封"綠化帶戰神"稱號 | 虛假宣傳把用戶當傻子,上千名車主維權退車,雷軍人設崩塌 =  The accident rate is far ahead of its peers. Xiaomi cars crash into green belts every day. Xiaomi cars are named "Green Belt God of War"  | False propaganda treats users as fools. Thousands of car owners return their cars for rights protection. Lei Jun's personality collapses - 15 May 2025
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 24 2025, 06:03 PM)
This one give idiot ride a bicycle also can crash hahaha
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Typical "victim blaming" by EV lovers - Chainah Numbawan; Xiaomi Numbawan.
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post May 25 2025, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE((theberry @ Dec 19 2024, 09:51 PM)
LATEST MODEL 2024 all drop price JENG

when malaysia follow?
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selling price                                76,800 rmb
+ assuming insurance                10,000 rmb
- government subsidy                15,000 rmb
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                                                71,800 rmb ~ RM 45k in malaysia
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SOS : government subsidy 15k rmb
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sos kicap
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202412/1324752.shtml
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Dec 19 2024, 11:16 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://auto.sina.cn/info/cx/2024-12-17/det...s8914911.d.html - Google Translated: It has enough space, great handling, and can be as cheap as 41,500 yuan. Wouldn’t you like a Toyota Corolla like this? - 17 Dec 2024 = 35% off MSRP or 35% discount.

Even Nissan Sylphy is 33% off MSRP and Honda Civic is 21% off MSRP in CCP China. Why new ICE-V cars all lelong sale.? ...

= because in the 7 Tier-1 cities like Shanghai, buyers of new ICE-V cars have to pay about RMB100k for the license plate fee and wait >6 months for registration. ... In Tier-3 cities, it's about RMB30k and >2 months, respectively.
....... Buyers of new NEV cars are exempted.

On top of that, nearly all used ICE-V cars have to be scrapped bc CCP China just introduced more stringent annual  car inspection (macam by Puspakom/JPJ) for 6 yo or older cars in Jan 2024(.?), in order to purposely fail them or scrap them, eg any failure detection via OBD, eg sensor failure = fail inspection.
....... Used ICE-V cars <6 yo = car inspection every 2 years.

If you are man in China, you dare to buy the above discounted new ICE-V cars.
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QUOTE(trusol @ May 25 2025, 01:10 AM)
100k is gov CBU policy at the moment. Next year CKD policy no 100k minimum limit then see what's going to happen. In China, EVs already cheaper than ICEs.

EVs maintenance very, very low lah and nothing much to repair also whereas ICEs now and then will give you a huge repair bill because it has too many moving parts, far costlier than whatever fuel subsidy savings.
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Not really true that in CCP China, EV cars are cheaper than ICE-V cars. The comparable compact sedan BYD Qin Plus EV price in CCP China is RMB109,800, while the Toyota Corolla 1.5l price in CCP China is RMB75,600, after 35% discount due to poor sales.
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post May 25 2025, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Moderna @ May 24 2025, 09:57 PM)
Most dealers don’t even want to take EVs. A friend has to sell his 2 year+ byd to distributor for 60% below purchase price because he was moving abroad.
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Fyi, .......

https://www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-resp...-maker-says-one - Tesla Responds to Cybertruck Owners Who Lost 50% of Their Vehicle’s Value in 1 Year – The EV Maker Says, “One More Post Like This and You Will be Getting $0”
Tesla has responded to Cybertruck owners who have seen a 50% decline in their vehicle's value. The EV maker attempted to humorously address the issue in response to a dedicated Tesla fan who says his Cybertruck lost half its value in a year.
- 8 April 2025

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post May 25 2025, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 25 2025, 12:48 PM)
Why cannot in us, if drive Tesla even easier with access to supercharger
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 25 2025, 01:02 PM)
why want to drive fast on public road? dont get any trophy
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US interstate highway speed limit is 70mph = 112 kmh. Drive EV car at 112 kmh will lose about 25% or more range, esp in cold weather = severe range anxiety. Not so much range anxiety if drive ICE-V car at 112 kmh because BIG fuel tank and gas/petrol stations are much more numerous and nearby than EV charging stations.

Also, pump gas/petrol = about 5 minutes, ...
.... fast charge electric = about 30 minutes.
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post May 25 2025, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 24 2025, 05:35 PM)
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Yes, acceleration so syiok until so many road accidents, .......

- 車禍率遙遙領先于同行,天天往綠化帶上撞,小米汽車獲封"綠化帶戰神"稱號 | 虛假宣傳把用戶當傻子,上千名車主維權退車,雷軍人設崩塌 =  The accident rate is far ahead of its peers. Xiaomi cars crash into green belts every day. Xiaomi cars are named "Green Belt God of War"  | False propaganda treats users as fools. Thousands of car owners return their cars for rights protection. Lei Jun's personality collapses - 15 May 2025
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 25 2025, 04:36 PM)
in the history of human being, humans has been crashing their vehicle of any type

ferrari these days make cars in 1000hp or can find very light weight cars that have power to weight ratio of a bugatti

these are all fast vehicles. and ppl would crash them if not careful

a powderful ev is not the problem, its actually wonderful can buy ev that powderful for little money all thanks to chainah
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The above video says Porsche, Ferrari, etc spent years and US$ millions in R&D to formulate their powerful sportscars to be reliable and stable for drivers whereas Xiaomi just copy from Porsche and Ferrari and did little R&D in putting out its powerful sportscars = unreliable and unstable for drivers.

It is a well known fact that CCP China EV carmakers mostly copy technology from the West and Japan = did little R&D = they just put out their new EV cars on the market and let the drivers be their R&D guinea pigs.

In this = cutting corners, Chainah Numbawan, eg Xiaomi SU7 sportcars can't corner properly.
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post May 25 2025, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 25 2025, 04:43 PM)
then go drive a ice car lor what so hard lol

nobody force anyone to buy ev..also you dont need to speak for ev owners hahahaha

ppl dont need you to tell them what and how hahahaha
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In CCP Chainah, most people are forced to buy new EV cars.

In California and 12 other liberal US states, people will be forced to buy new EV cars in 2036. Similarly for the EU.

In the UK, the ZEV Mandate is forcing car-makers to sell more EV cars than ICE-V cars. In 2036, UK people will be forced to buy new EV cars.
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Gemini AI Overview:

The UK's Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) mandate requires car manufacturers to increase the percentage of zero-emission vehicles (EVs) in their sales, with the aim of phasing out the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030 and all new cars and vans by 2035. The mandate targets are increasing each year, starting with 22% in 2024 and rising to 80% by 2030. Hybrid cars are allowed to be sold until 2035, and small-scale carmakers are exempt from the mandate.

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post May 25 2025, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Dec 19 2024, 11:16 PM)
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Fyi, .......

https://auto.sina.cn/info/cx/2024-12-17/det...s8914911.d.html - Google Translated: It has enough space, great handling, and can be as cheap as 41,500 yuan. Wouldn’t you like a Toyota Corolla like this? - 17 Dec 2024 = 35% off MSRP or 35% discount.

Even Nissan Sylphy is 33% off MSRP and Honda Civic is 21% off MSRP in CCP China. Why new ICE-V cars all lelong sale.? ...

= because in the 7 Tier-1 cities like Shanghai, buyers of new ICE-V cars have to pay about RMB100k for the license plate fee and wait >6 months for registration. ... In Tier-3 cities, it's about RMB30k and >2 months, respectively.
....... Buyers of new NEV cars are exempted.

On top of that, nearly all used ICE-V cars have to be scrapped bc CCP China just introduced more stringent annual  car inspection (macam by Puspakom/JPJ) for 6 yo or older cars in Jan 2024(.?), in order to purposely fail them or scrap them, eg any failure detection via OBD, eg sensor failure = fail inspection.
....... Used ICE-V cars <6 yo = car inspection every 2 years.


If you are man in China, you dare to buy the above discounted new ICE-V cars.
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 25 2025, 05:09 PM)
Lord unker xi didn't force anyone buy ev..like in norway incentives stops yet ppl still buy EV there.. if can pay for fuel and want ice then buy it.. just ppl want EV then they buy it

If want ppl buy EV only so easy just ban all ice cars.. why still allowed then to be sold hahahaha my solution easy even ai cannot think of it hahahahah
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My above repost fyi, ie CCP Chainah forcing EV cars onto the people is mainly by heavily penalizing buyers of new ICE-V cars, not by giving incentiving EV subsidies to buyers of new EV cars.
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post May 25 2025, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 25 2025, 05:17 PM)
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In CCP China, BYD seldom honor the above EV warranties by giving all kinds of excuses to the car owners. Sue BYD in court also no use bc to CCP, BYD is "anak saya baik orang nya". Maybe not in Malaysia because CCP China would "no face".
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post May 25 2025, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 25 2025, 05:28 PM)
We here also penalize ppl with high taxes and force ppl to buy Perodua and proton.. so?
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What about over there in Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, USA, Canada, the EU, etc, ie they got penalize ICE-V car buyers and reward EV car buyers maciam in CCP Chainah.?
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post May 26 2025, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 25 2025, 05:23 PM)
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In CCP China, BYD seldom honor the above EV warranties by giving all kinds of excuses to the car owners. Sue BYD in court also no use bc to CCP, BYD is "anak saya baik orang nya". Maybe not in Malaysia because CCP China would "no face".
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 25 2025, 05:28 PM)
How you know.. you stay there?
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My repost below fyi, ie I know from CCP China news, .......

QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Dec 28 2024, 11:44 PM)
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Fyi, ie real life usage, EV battery degradation of BYD EV cars is often >5% per year, and not <2% per year as hyped by the EV media, .......

Google Translated: The threshold for free battery replacement is high and you want to see the test report.

  Many BYD car owners question whether the "lifetime warranty" service for car batteries is not worthy of its name, and expect the manufacturer to be more transparent about replacement standards and test results. ...

Battery test does not report

  Consumers of family cars will also face the problem of battery capacity decay. Will the battery "warranty" be smooth?

  Mr. Xia, a citizen, told reporters that he bought a BYD "Yuan" pure electric car in March 2020. "The data promoted by the brand at that time was that it could run about 410 kilometers on a single charge." Mr. Xia's new car was actually measured to run about 370 kilometers. Although there is a gap, he can also accept the possible deviation between the experimental data and the measured data. In the past two years, the car's endurance has declined year by year. "Now it can only run about 220 kilometers on the highway and about 280 kilometers on urban roads." Mr. Xia said that when he bought the car, the salesperson said that the vehicle could be replaced for free if it was 100,000 kilometers or more than 6 years old. Since the car has run more than 120,000 kilometers, he came to the BYD 4S store, hoping to replace the battery for free. But the 4S store reported: After inspection by the factory, the battery data is normal and will not be replaced. What confuses Mr. Xia is that everything is "the final say" of the other party. How much has the battery decayed, and to what extent will it be replaced? The 4S store has no clear answer. "Moreover, I asked for a battery test report, but was rejected."

  Mr. Zhou, a citizen, had a similar experience. Mr. Zhou also has a BYD "Yuan" pure electric car, which was purchased in December 2020. Now, the vehicle's mileage has reached more than 120,000 kilometers, and its endurance has dropped significantly. "I drive about 160 kilometers to and from get off work. If I turn around at noon, I will encounter the problem of insufficient power. Now I can only drive about 200 kilometers." He called the BYD customer service hotline and then went to a BYD 4S store for battery testing. The store replied: There is no problem with the test results and it can continue to be used. "I have never been able to get a specific written test report." Mr. Zhou believes that according to the "BYD Auto Three Guarantees Certificate and Maintenance Service Manual", during the three-guarantee validity period of 2 years or 50,000 kilometers, the capacity attenuation limit of lithium iron phosphate batteries/ternary batteries is 15%, and the attenuation limit of 6 years or 150,000 kilometers is 25%. "My car has reached the battery replacement standard." The 4S store replied to the reporter that the battery attenuation data currently detected is less than 25%. ....

https://www.chinanews.com.cn/sh/2024/04-17/10200374.shtml - - Many BYD car owners question whether the "lifetime warranty" service for car batteries is not worthy of its name - 17 April 2024

280km/370km = 24% battery degradation after about 3 years = about 8% degradation per year.

P S - Tesla EV batteries are oversized by about 20%, in order to satisfy US government regulations of 8 years of warranty or about 150,000km mileage.
....... BYD EV car batteries are probably oversized by only 10% = in the 1st year of usage, <2% battery degradation, but thereafter a substantial rise in battery degradation of >5% per year.
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post May 26 2025, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 25 2025, 06:20 PM)
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What about  over there in Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, USA, Canada, the EU, etc, ie they got penalize ICE-V car buyers and reward EV car buyers maciam in CCP Chainah.?
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 25 2025, 06:34 PM)
fuel no subsidy in thailand and by helping ev they import less oil means less money and more money for other things

good thing or not up to a country to decide
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What about(ism) fuel subsidy in Indonesia, Brunei, Saudi Arabia, IKuwait, Iran, Venezuela, etc, major crude oil producers like Malaysia.
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post May 26 2025, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 25 2025, 05:23 PM)
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In CCP China, BYD seldom honor the above EV warranties by giving all kinds of excuses to the car owners. Sue BYD in court also no use bc to CCP, BYD is "anak saya baik orang nya". Maybe not in Malaysia because CCP China would "no face".
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 26 2025, 04:19 PM)
Really ah so why didn't sue them until bankrupt yet?
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My repost for your "amnesia".
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post May 26 2025, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(((lurkingaround @ May 25 2025 @ 05:23 PM)
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In CCP China, BYD seldom honor the above EV warranties by giving all kinds of excuses to the car owners. Sue BYD in court also no use bc to CCP, BYD is "anak saya baik orang nya". Maybe not in Malaysia because CCP China would "no face".
QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 26 2025, 04:29 PM)
Then sue them then until bankrupt... Oops too bad byd still selling well hahaha
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In CCP China's kangaroo courts, BYD car owners who sue BYD would likely go bankrupt instead after counter-sued by BYD, .......

https://news.qq.com/rain/a/20250115A08MQ900 - Google Translated: Recently, BYD sued the self-media "Longzhu-JiChe" for defamation, and the court ruled that "Longzhu-JiChe" should compensate BYD 2.0187 million yuan and make a public apology. - 15 Jan 2025
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QUOTE(keyser soze @ May 26 2025, 04:36 PM)
battery degradation is depends on charging source. If you every day charge outside with quick DC charger battery sire die faster. Charge at home with 11kwh or lower charger.
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This is already common knowledge among EV car drivers in CCP China, eg public fast charging fees are often cheaper than slow charging due to much lower demand for fast charging.
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 26 2025, 04:46 PM)
Didn't win mah like one woman sue Tesla end up didn't win also.. just show mAh no good evidence and string case how to win hahahaha

Ppl think can be so easy but big corporation got more budget and smarter hahaha
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Fyi, ie courts in CCP China mostly do not rely on evidence but on CCP's political agenda, eg to dominate the global car market by hook or by crook with CCP China subsidized EV cars, eg BYD, .......

User: Does the CCP China government control the courts?

Gemini AI Overview

Yes, the CCP exercises significant control over China's courts. This control is exerted through various mechanisms, including the CCP's Central Political and Legal Affairs Commission, which effectively oversees the judicial system.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
- Central Political and Legal Affairs Commission (PLA):
This commission is the CCP's main body for overseeing legal and judicial affairs, ensuring the judiciary operates in accordance with the CCP's political agenda.
- Supreme People's Court (SPC):
As the highest court, the SPC is subject to the control of the PLA, making it a key element in the CCP's judicial oversight.
- CCP Member Judges:
Judges who are also members of the CCP are required to adhere to party discipline, prioritizing the CCP's interests and orders over legal considerations.
- Party Dominance:
The CCP dominates the decision-making process in legal matters, including personnel appointments in all legal institutions, ensuring the CCP's influence throughout the judicial system.
- Political Loyalty:
Judges are expected to prioritize political loyalty over other considerations, potentially compromising their impartiality.
- Use of Law for Suppression:
The CCP uses the legal system to suppress dissent and control citizens, targeting individuals who challenge the government's authority.
- Vague Charges:
Individuals are often arrested and detained on vague charges, without access to legal counsel or communication with their families, further reinforcing the CCP's control.

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 27 2025, 06:24 PM)
If don't trust court then don't go don't sue them hahahaha
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Hence, in CCP China and their kangaroo courts, the buying public are mostly treated as tools by the CCP and their "anak saya baik orangnya" like BYD, SAIC, Huawei, Xiaomi, NIO, GWM, XPeng, etc, .......

Gemini AI Overview

The term "leek" (韭菜) used in China in relation to EV car buyers is a colloquial term used to describe someone who is perceived as being easily manipulated or taken advantage of, much like how leeks are a food crop that can be easily grown and harvested. In the context of the EV market, it often refers to early adopters who may have paid more for a product, or who may be perceived as being easily swayed by marketing or trends, rather than being informed and strategic consumers.

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 27 2025, 07:09 PM)
just admit it if result not in favor say ppl bullshit, if win say its the truth

this is anak saya bodo orangnya  hahahahaha
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Please prove that got buying-public leeks have win court cases against the CCP and their "anak saya baik orangnya" like BYD, etc.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ May 26 2025, 04:41 PM)
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In CCP China's kangaroo courts, BYD car owners who sue BYD would likely go bankrupt instead after counter-sued by BYD, .......

https://news.qq.com/rain/a/20250115A08MQ900 - Google Translated: Recently, BYD sued the self-media "Longzhu-JiChe" for defamation, and the court ruled that "Longzhu-JiChe" should compensate BYD 2.0187 million yuan and make a public apology.  - 15 Jan 2025
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 27 2025, 07:42 PM)
please prove that court siding with these companies
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Oredi proven in many court cases like the above.
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QUOTE((PowerSlide @ May 27 2025 @ 07:09 PM)
just admit it if result not in favor say ppl bullshit, if win say its the truth

this is anak saya bodo orangnya  hahahahaha
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Please prove that got buying-public leeks have win court cases against the CCP and their "anak saya baik orangnya" like BYD, etc.
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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ May 27 2025, 08:08 PM)
so court didnt side with the buyer then court is deemed unfair hahahahahaha

so go court vs companies the customers the one always must win? hahahahahaha
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Mana u punya proof, mana.?
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