But the alternative is what? Unprecedented kleptocracy, tong simen, money politics at obscene levels, turning blind eye to corruption and power abuse to solicit political backing, bailouts of cronies, abuse of retirement funds, mega projects that benefit elite groups, dnaa of high profile cases, planes go missing whilst air force is jolly, not to mention wayang after wayang being played out as if rakyat so dumb? So how? Which actually is worse?

Look you can vote whoever you wish. I am just pointing out the fact that if one thinksPAS is bad then the alternative as we see it is even worse. So it's pointless to say one party is bad when the others all have equal or worse tendencies.

And I am not recommending one votes for PAS but we must consider a coalition that may include them like it or not. As part of coalition they can't just do things purely as an Islamic party but rather they will have to take into account the interest of coalition partners. And the reality we see today is that parties like PAS can never form a federal govt without some degree of support from nons electorate. Fact. So why should nons feel threatened by them. I think it should be the other way around.
And whether a coalition with PAS in it will end committing all those excesses and abuses typical of bn & Co is left to be seen but purely speculative at this point.
Don't forget that in the past dap and Pas were in same coalition. Lol.

You are missing one very crucial pov: in the current political climate nons actually are in a commanding position and essentially kingmakers simply because the malay electorate is divided.
Nons must assert their kingmaker role and not allow their thinking to be dominated by warlords or conversely to be intimidated by Pro religious groups. Nons call the shots and PN or bn need to court the support of nons in order to govern. In short it must be made clear to both sides bn or PN that unless they walk the talk and toe the line its game over. If nons are not able to take that clear stand and command of the opportunity then they have naively and foolishly sacrificed their kingmaker position all for the sake of sacred cows. The Malays mind is dominated by warlords  or political persona as such their votes are locked in and cannot move away from their traditional parties be it  UMNO or PAS or their splinter.
As kingmaker the votes of nons should never become a fixed deposit for any particular  party. Instead the message to all political parties should reflect the nature of a kingmaker which is this : do the right thing and safeguard our interest and we will vote you into power. But if you refuse to walk the line and become rogue by undermining our interest then you will be voted out. This message should be consistent to all political parties whether it is DAP or even PAS. These all need to recognise who the kingmaker is and kow tow accordingly.
But nons are in the danger of succumbing to warlord mentality when they continue to support a party blindly that no longer acts in their interest but instead choose to fulfill the interest of certain political persona or warlord so to speak. Its time to get back on track.
Truth is that  warlords feel uneasy and threatened by those who are in kingmaker position because the kingmakers deny warlords of the absolute power they crave. And we know power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Let's analyse deeper. What is the root cause of this warlord mentality? It is idolatry. Its taking a certain political figure and giving your allegiance to that person or party irrespective of the moral consequence and implication of their actions in which case such have become an idol to those that continue to support them.  Point in case Jibby. But anyone or anything can degenerate into an idol including DAP.

So instead of condemning whichever party for their weaknesses which is evident in all sides the focus should be on engaging and addressing those weaknesses. Why feel intimidated when one is in a commanding position?
As for PAS irrespective of who the leaders are the electorate they represent is the more important consideration for its their votes that count. Leaders in PAS come and go some good and some not so good. I mean look at Samsuri. In comparison look at where Mat Sabu and Amanah is today. Merely surviving on the electoral crumbs of DAP. And it was poor foresight for DAP to sponsor Amanah as a a splinter. Look where it has lead to?

You are just regurgitating what we already know. Save your breath. I did not say PAS is perfect. But at least not as bad as these:
Worst kleptocracy and now in the process of covering it up, the guilty ppl as getting away. Not to mention all the other corruption and power abuse cases.
How about all those who have disappeared or had their lives ended, some in a concrete filled drum? You OK with that?
You support obscene levels of money politics, buying over of mp/coalition?
Political cronyism? Abuse of Macc OK? Erosion of judicial independence?
There are too many incidents that glaringly point to the denial of justice and truth/honesty and instead we are dished out deceit. The key issue is justice denied. Without justice no country can progress.
How about Altantuya? I only came to know about it because Pmx brought it up those days. Yes talking about it in ceram ah. Yet look at him today. Not a squeak. The silence is deafening after being so vocal.
If pas has committed sins then present govt is guilty of greater sin.

19000 lol. Is that all. Ku nan say 5mil is loose change. So this is next to nothing. No party is perfect. But compare to umno no need not talk. You fail to understand systemic, widespread and embedded corruption.
If PAS prop up Najib how come he got booted into prison when they were part of govt? Not consistent.

Pls give example of any kind of actual loss you have suffered thru your allegations of racism. Eg denied job, entry into uni etc.
Do you actually know what real racism is about and who is responsible for those policies?

This post has been edited by SharpSword: May 27 2025, 06:25 PM

PAS muafakat with Jibby when they r not in govt so it's just political manoeuvring. But it's different when you become govt cause you have responsibility to uphold justice. And what counts is what actually took place. The fact that Jibby got booted into jail when they were in govt proves PAS can be guided and persuaded to do the right thing when the occasion demands. But the same cannot be said of ph. The real test is when one is given the reins of power then you will know what they are really about. Before that it's just pure rhetoric.

And now it is PKR, dap together with umno going to set Jibby and Co free. Just look at Rosmah.lol. Ridiculous. Downright shameful. So we are concerned with what actually takes place and not outward appearances or say one thing and do another.
You still haven't answered my question. In what way have you suffered because of racism/discrimination from PAS? Tell lahh

This post has been edited by SharpSword: May 28 2025, 12:12 AM

What unbelievable stupidity. Who is desperate to be in govt and hold PM ship? Not ph? Lol. Then why need to form govt with their nemesis umno. Ph has been exposing all their wrong doings ever since. Imagine all their campaigning lines is mainly against the corrupt practices of Umno but finally they form govt together. What a joke. And who are the ones have to publicly apologise to GPS? Can't be more desperate than that. Lol. Look who is talking cock.
OK lah I can't be bothered to continue this conversation seeing you are Najib licker. Bye.