UN aviation body rules Russia downed Malaysian airliner - Report

KUALA LUMPUR - The United Nation (UN) aviation council on Monday (May 12) ruled that Russia was responsible for the downing of a Malaysian airliner over Ukraine that killed all 298 passengers and crew, including 196 Dutch citizens and 38 Australian citizens or residents, the Dutch and Australian governments said in separate statements, Reuters reported.

According to the report, both governments said the Council of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) would, in the coming weeks, consider what form of reparation was in order.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur on July 17, 2014, was shot down over eastern Ukraine amid intense fighting between pro-Russian separatists and Ukrainian forces.

In November 2022, the report said Dutch judges convicted two Russian men and a Ukrainian man in absentia of murder for their role in the attack.

Moscow called the ruling "scandalous" and said it would not extradite its citizens, said the report.

Reuters reported that the case was launched in 2022 by Australia and the Netherlands.

"The decision is an important step towards establishing the truth and achieving justice and accountability for all victims of Flight MH17, and their families and loved ones," Dutch Foreign Minister Caspar Veldkamp was quoted as saying.

"This decision also sends a clear message to the international community: states cannot violate international law with impunity."

The Netherlands and Australia want the ICAO Council to order Russia to enter into negotiations over reparations, he added.

Australia Foreign Minister Penny Wong reportedly said her government welcomed the decision and urged ICAO to move swiftly to determine remedies.

"We call upon Russia to finally face up to its responsibility for this horrific act of violence and make reparations for its egregious conduct, as required under international law," Wong was quoted as saying.

ICAO lacks regulatory power but holds moral suasion and sets global aviation standards overwhelmingly adopted by its 193-member states, said the news report.

Bernama has reached out to Malaysia Airlines for comment. - BERNAMA

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/3024361/u...aysian-airliner

Now what? Pay compensation?

0 chance. Puting say the report not recognised

Nowadays you don't know who you can trust and who not

Now only confirm? I thought this has been public knowledge since long time ago?

meanwhile PMX still going to russia..shake hand with Puting..taking photos together like nothing is happening.

eh how many here wanna still support russia that shot down our airlines... mari mari give your post of treasonous denial

I am only surprised it took so long.

I believe the missile was shot by the rebels in the Luhansk/Donetsk region. However, getting claims from them would be difficult since official position is that these belong to Ukraine. Also neither rebel groups have enough money to pay. So the only logical conclusion, legally incorrect as it is, is to seek reparations from Russia.

Anyone could have come to this conclusion within a few minutes. Why take so long?

It wasn't confirm already? 11 years only announce?

Good la, our PMX went to Russia today, see how will he ask putin compensation

When you everyday in illusion.


Official and non official lor.

But UN said, more power la.

just read that this is an announcement of an announcement.

actual written findings to be published at a later unspecified date.

lol.

Can ask pampasan from allfather putin?

Based on some phony recordings?
LOL

Even if it's done by the separatist, they are still Ukrainians

How can they say it is Russia? Dumbfounded

i am of the same view as you. the rebels of the 2 regions are still part of Ukraine.

very easy to say its Russia. All they needed to do is boot Russia from the council (which they did). Then just decide lah.

Same thing with Pinoy "win" in SCS case. Might makes right.

If want to do, please don't take more than 10 years and then issue announcement of an announcement. sigh...

Do that's why PMX go Russian to Discus Math in the gangsta way?

Is Malaysia going to war with Russia for this ?

Wumao will continue to deny and support Putin, because CCP said Russia can do no wrong. Even if it is true, so what? As if they have any tinge of patriotism.

Crashed in 2014.
Debris recovered in Teal (as of 2020), decision made with insufficient evidence. Sad.

Anwar to visit Russia on Putin’s invitation, says PMO
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...tation-says-pmo

So was this discussed between PMX & puting?

PM Anwar On Official Visit To Russia From Tomorrow

KUALA LUMPUR, May 12 (Bernama) -- Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim will undertake an official visit to Russia from tomorrow until Friday at the invitation of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

According to the Prime Minister’s senior press secretary Tunku Nashrul Abaidah, the visit will include stops in Moscow from Tuesday to Thursday, and Kazan, Tatarstan, from Thursday to Friday.

“In Moscow, the Prime Minister will deliver a speech at the Moscow State Institute of International Relations University (MGIMO), hold meetings with Russian business leaders and engage with the Malaysian diaspora in the capital.

“The Prime Minister will also attend the 16th International Economic Forum ‘KazanForum’ at the invitation of Rustam Minnikhanov, the Rais (Head) of the Republic of Tatarstan,” he said during the Prime Minister’s Office Daily Briefing, broadcast live via the Facebook pages of Anwar Ibrahim and PMO Malaysia today.

Tunku Nashrul said that while in Kazan, the Prime Minister will deliver a keynote address during the KazanForum plenary session on Friday, deliver a speech at the Strategic Vision Group meeting, and hold a meeting with the Rais of Tatarstan.

Tunku Nashrul added that upon returning from the visit, the Prime Minister will attend the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA 2025), themed “Innovate Today, Thrive Tomorrow”, which is scheduled to take place from May 20 to 24.

“The Prime Minister emphasised that LIMA 2025 is not merely an exhibition of assets and technology, but a strategic platform to foster collaboration between the government, industry and educational institutions by bringing together key players in the defence and commercial aviation sectors, including in MRO (maintenance, repair and overhaul), IoT (Internet of Things), satellite and space technology.

“The Prime Minister has also directed that this edition of LIMA focus on empowering local companies, especially small and medium enterprises, to break into international markets through innovation,” he said.

He added that LIMA will also stimulate economic growth by attracting foreign direct investment and boosting tourism and international trade.

“The Prime Minister prays that all preparations go smoothly and welcomes the participation of exhibitors, investors and visitors from both domestic and international arenas to make LIMA 2025 one of the most meaningful editions in the event’s history,” he said.

-- BERNAMA

Source: https://www.bernama.com/en/general/news.php?id=2421899

very convenient timing for such an announcement, i must say.

Wumao come protest for papa

Pmx will raise MH17 in his speech? Got ball onot?

Not like the article said 2 out of the three convicted are russians, right?

Kesian in the end, normies like us that suffer from their collateral war.

Malaysia don’t care. Someone here drooling over opportunity to visit Putin.

Deleted.

This post has been edited by Mattrock: May 14 2025, 09:13 AM

Kan ?

Refor mati

And yet BMX is to visit Moscow.

also can blame pilot and ppl that approve to fly there has no common sense flying in warzone.

luckily our PM is not as NPC as you guys.
after 39, if you cant recover from NPC state, you are forever NPC.

good luck and all the best.

His aid edi potek potek him for not discussing this as an agenda. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Honestly, he shd cancel this trip to other time. Malaysian lives lost and if he does not address this, it is a failure on his part as a leader of Malaysians. Do take time read the comments in this article…… it reflects what Malaysians are thinking now….
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/743119

Dowan to pay up then just sanction them lor. Now got real reason.

And yet PMX goes to Russia to say Hi to the murderer behind MH17

This is very disrespectful to the victims of MH17


Kelakuan PMX betul ke ?

This time Penunggang is right, ask proper apology to the victims of MH17.

Anwar likes Putin

so, need to wait till next PM to see any contrition

This post has been edited by Redhunt: May 14 2025, 12:51 PM

UN and EU cannot be trusted even abit on matters regarding Russia.

oh, so you trust Russia?

lol

I trust on the observation how bias UN and EU is being against Russia for a long time now.

Basically they group up and try to gang bully Russia while EU leaders love to role play pretending heroes while depending on Russia for energy.

Honestly I can see that before Trump 2nd term, EU is basically trying to lick USA's previous administrations which are heavily anti-Russia for such a long time since Reagan era that now Trump administration want to be friends back with Russia by flipping the whole board reset which made EU countries now scrambling like headless chickens but still trying to act tough.

Examples are look at Ursula von de Leyen, Macron, Starmer, Merz, Carney and the rest who absolutely cannot even stand on equal ground with Trump and USA but always like to pretend they have the upperhand when making speeches.

This is pure shameless hypocrisy.

Let's not even begin to get into the Ukraine-Russia conflict issues on how shameless EU is acting in their decisions.

PS: Forgot to add most recent evidence on how untrustworthy EU investigations are you just need to see the Nord Stream bombing being inconclusive when clearly many EU countries are involved evidently in the bombing, so they cover it up as inconclusive no further action and Russia still bad guy. Hell they even wanted to say Russia bomb its own Nord Stream pipelines to play victim. Hilarious.

This post has been edited by Etude8891: May 14 2025, 01:11 PM

I totally second this...
What if an independent country conducted the investigation or was part of the investigation? Made it independent, away from the interest of ANY countries involved directly or indirectly to the Russo-Ukraine conflict?

The outcome would have potentially be different.

China or India for eg.
instead :In the MH17 Joint Investigation Team (JIT), the Netherlands, Australia, Malaysia, Belgium and Ukraine work together on the criminal investigation into the plane crash.

This post has been edited by sivanesanveeraya: May 14 2025, 01:57 PM

Why type m tend to sokong russia?

Putin loves such naive gullible people

Lucky you're not an European, cause you would be opening your doors when he comes knocking asking for salt, and wondering the next day why you are now kicked out of your own house.

This post has been edited by Redhunt: May 14 2025, 02:03 PM

Then ruski ladies kambing as compensation?

India and China are part of the ICAO Council. It's not like the investigation team issued the finding without their management's approval.

PMX visit buat tak tau tak dgr?

Then what? Hefty compensation incoming? I don't think so.

Got check their background?
I can say Zelensky shot down MH17

No proof whatsoever, just based on some belingcat journalist, then can say whatever they want la

Sorry i aint stoopid

And you sir are sounding a whole lot like a liberal brainwash, clearly ignoring the full situation and adhering closely to tired narrative of Putin being the ultimate villian of the world, 2nd coming of Hitler narrative.

Go reflect and think again who is the one truly gullible.

This post has been edited by Etude8891: May 14 2025, 03:25 PM

he is
go ask a Ukrainian if you want a second opinion

you're a supporter of the clear villain. Well, there were many supporters of Hitler too.

This post has been edited by Redhunt: May 14 2025, 03:34 PM

Ukrainians are brainwashed by Zelensky's state media since 2022 ffs.



You are exactly the target demographic that the Ukrainian side narrative love to use since 2022 but so much more people are finally waking up to the fact that Ukraine is just manipulating the media and continually playing victim especially with a leader such as Zelensky who literally wants to war to go on forever to hold on to his position while causing more destruction to Ukraine as time goes by.

This post has been edited by Etude8891: May 14 2025, 03:38 PM

Putin loves you, like Hitler loves his supporters

This post has been edited by Redhunt: May 14 2025, 03:36 PM

The case centered on allegations that the conduct of the Russian Federation in the downing of the aircraft by a surface-to-air missile over eastern Ukraine constitutes a breach of Article 3 bis of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, which requires that States “refrain from resorting to the use of weapons against civil aircraft in flight."

BUK made in Russia, not denying that.

Usage in Ukraine, by a certain parties.

Russia is blamed to be at fault? c'mon...

So, microchips powering the drones that attacked Ukraine in the recent Russia-Ukraine war, are from the top semiconductor companies listed on Nasdaq and NYSE. Should ICAO now accuse vice versa?
https://kse.ua/about-the-school/news/kse-in...nctions-regime/


We should wait and see who voted for and against the ICAO judgement. Waiting for the actual results...
The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) has 193 member states, hitting 98 countries, will give you a majority vote.

This post has been edited by sivanesanveeraya: May 14 2025, 03:41 PM

Ta ka more important than muruah

Yes, they're so innocent that russia refused to extradite them to the Netherlands, while allowing a fourth (also russian) suspect to appear with a lawyer and this one was acquitted.

?

The Assembly countries also elect 36 States to serve on the ICAO Council, a governing body responsible for Secretariat oversight, and for the ongoing diplomatic and technical decision making through ICAO while the Assembly is not in session.

Con9lan7firm is fucking Russia dog shot down yet the USA haters still denying.

Tragedi MH17: Jangan mudah terheret permainan kuasa besar
Oleh Mohd Zaini Samsu Hadi - 14 May 2025

KUALA LUMPUR – Setiausaha Politik kepada Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, Muhammad Kamil Abdul Munim membidas kenyataan Ketua Penerangan Pas, Ahmad Fadhli Shaari berhubung gesaannya agar Perdana Menteri tidak mendiamkan diri dalam isu tragedi pesawat MH17 semasa mengadakan lawatan rasmi ke Rusia ketika ini.

Menerusi hantaran di laman X, Kamil yang juga Timbalan Ketua Angkatan Muda Keadilan (AMK) menegaskan, semua pihak tidak seharusnya mudah terheret dengan permainan kuasa-kuasa besar dengan membantu menghalakan peluru musuh ke arah kita.

Katanya, mempolitikkan tragedi MH17 adalah tingkat paling bawah untuk membenih dan mengaut laba politik murahan.

“’Kebetulan’ laporan ICAO (Majlis Pertubuhan Penerbangan Awam Antarabangsa) tersebut hanya dikeluarkan lewat malam semalam, sehari sebelum Perdana Menteri tiba di Moscow. Undangan kepada PM bukan dipanjangkan oleh Kremlin pada minggu lalu, tetapi beberapa bulan sebelum ini.

“Malah, semasa kunjungan PM ke Vladivostok tahun lalu undangan yang sama telah disampaikan.

“Justeru, apa yang penting adalah laporan tersebut tidak seharusnya dieksploit dan ditunggang oleh pihak-pihak yang picisan dan dangkal isu,” katanya di laman sosial tersebut.

Semalam, Belanda dan Australia menggesa ICAO supaya mendesak Rusia memulakan rundingan berhubung insiden tembakan jatuh terhadap pesawat Malaysia Airlines MH17 pada 2014.

Menurut kerajaan Belanda, ICAO memutuskan pada Ahad bahawa Russia bertanggungjawab terhadap nahas pesawat MH17 dan telah melanggar Konvensyen Chicago 1944 mengenai Penerbangan Awam Antarabangsa.

Menteri Luar Belanda, Caspar Veldkamp menyambut baik keputusan itu dan menegaskan bahawa ICAO kini perlu meneliti kemungkinan pampasan.

Mengulas lanjut, Muhammad Kamil menegaskan, Malaysia sudah tentu akan terus mendukung segala usaha bagi menegakkan keadilan buat mangsa dan waris tragedi MH17.

Malah katanya, rekod Malaysia di pentas dan arena diplomasi kekal cemerlang, bijaksana dan tegas seperti yang ditonjolkan dalam pelbagai siri lawatan dan kunjungan rasmi Perdana Menteri.

“Malaysia tidak berhasrat untuk berganjak dari posisi ini. Dan Insya-Allah, kunjungan rasmi ke Rusia ini tentunya akan membuahkan hasil, meneruskan momentum serta memberi laba kepada negara dan rakyat lantas meletakkan Malaysia sebagai negara yang tegas, bermaruah dan berwibawa,” tambahnya.

Terdahulu, Ahmad Fadhli menerusi hantaran di Facebook berkata, kehadiran perdana menteri ke negara itu berlaku dalam waktu yang sangat sensitif, susulan keputusan rasmi ICAO sebuah badan di bawah Pertubuhan Bangsa-Bangsa Bersatu (PBB) yang menetapkan bahawa Rusia bertanggungjawab atas insiden penembakan pesawat Malaysia Airlines MH17 di ruang udara Ukraine pada Julai 2014. – MalaysiaGazette

Source: https://malaysiagazette.com/2025/05/14/trag...an-kuasa-besar/

Admit shj no bola

This post has been edited by yed: May 14 2025, 04:28 PM

Your beloved PM polsec say don't politicized this matter.

If they can use freelance journalist "Bellingcat"(with no official government accountability) to charge few Russians (who was also ex-FSB),
extradite to Netherlands,

Your Ktards logik think Russia would give them a fuck?

BTW here is a link from UK "CIA gave funding to Bellingcat"

"NED money has gone to UK investigative groups Bellingcat, Finance Uncovered and openDemocracy, as well as media freedom and training organisations Index on Censorship, Article 19, the Media Legal Defence Initiative, and the Thomson Reuters Foundation."

https://www.declassifieduk.org/cia-sidekick...k-media-groups/

This post has been edited by judas: May 14 2025, 05:18 PM

because the procedure itself takes ages to clarify.

Akin to i touch someone buttock no cam seen, no fingerprint, then kecam until my moyang is pervert or not also get dragged out from grave to talk.

end of day, its either kantoi that someone is actually a kokokai, and because payment dispute hence kacau bilau until now not yet settle, but life goes on, reputation saupei-ed, who knows what else followed.

Weird then, for such a conspiratorial court, that the only russian suspect allowed to attend could get himself acquitted.

In Moscow, PM Anwar hails Russia as a great friend of Malaysia
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...malaysia/176800

Son of MH17 captain calls for justice following ruling
By ALLISON LAI
Nation
Thursday, 15 May 2025


Proud boys: Wan Amran (middle) on vacation with Wan Yusuf Irfan (left) and his brother Wan Uzair in this old photo courtesy of Mariam Yusof, the boys’ mother.

PETALING JAYA: As a United Nations agency declared that Russia was responsible for the tragic downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, Wan Yusuf Irfan Wan Amran paid tribute to his late father Wan Amran Wan Hussin, who captained the plane.

He described July 17, 2014, as the most painful day of his life, marking the loss of his father in what he termed the “senseless downing” of the flight and “an act of violence that claimed 298 innocent lives and shattered countless families”.

“Over a decade has passed, yet not a day goes by without thoughts of him,” said Wan Yusuf Irfan, who was nine years old when the plane was brought down by a Russian surface-to-air missile as it flew over a disputed part of Ukraine.

“His laughter, his discipline and his quiet strength are deeply missed,” Wan Yusuf Irfan said of his father, a day after the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) ruled that Russia was responsible for the air disaster.

Commenting on the ruling, he said it had reignited calls for justice and compassion for all affected families, and that the authorities should show more “resolve and compassion” following the ruling.

“MH17 was not just a plane; it was our national carrier, carrying our people under our flag.

“The ICAO findings and international investigations have made it clear – Russia was responsible.

“And still, the authorities have failed to act with the resolve and compassion expected in the face of one of the worst aviation tragedies in history,” he said.

Wan Yusuf Irfan, who is following in his father’s footsteps and pursuing an aviation career, said his father’s mentorship was “stolen” not just by those responsible for the attack, but also by what he said is a system that failed to defend his father after his death.

He said the Transport Ministry’s response following ICAO’s findings has been “cold, procedural and lacking in even the most basic forms of human compassion.”

“We, the next of kin, have been treated as if we are just a footnote in a long-forgotten chapter.

“There has been no significant recognition, no clear path toward justice and certainly no meaningful compensation that reflects the scale and gravity of this international atrocity.

“Compensation should be paid not just as a financial obligation, but as a national duty and a symbol of dignity,” he said, adding that that families should not have to chase what is rightfully theirs.

On Tuesday, Transport Minister Anthony Loke said the ministry would issue a statement regarding the ICAO’s findings.

Flight MH17 was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down by a Russian missile while flying over eastern Ukraine, where Ukrainian forces were fighting with pro-Russian separatists.

Reiterating his father’s service to the nation, Wan Yusuf Irfan said: “Captain Wan Amran served Malaysia with pride. He was not just a pilot. He was a son of this nation, and he died carrying our flag in the sky.

“It is heartbreaking to know that his service and his sacrifice have not been met with the respect and protection they deserve.”

In a heartfelt plea, he called for the government to acknowledge the moral and emotional responsibilities owed to the victims and their families.

“We do not ask for pity. We ask for justice. We ask for memory. We ask for compassion. We ask to be seen,” he added.

Source: https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2025...ollowing-ruling

Malaysian prime minister Anwar Ibrahim raised the issue of downing of a Malaysian Airlines flight with Russian president Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of his bilateral visit to Moscow that was overshadowed by the UN report on the 2014 crash.

The UN aviation council ruled that Russia was responsible for the downing of the flight MH17 which killed 289 people nearly 11 years ago.

The Kremlin has always denied any responsibility into the aviation tragedy, for which the victims of the families have continued to call for justice.

Moscow last week rejected the International Civil Aviation Organisation Council's (ICAO) ruling, calling it biased.

On Wednesday, Mr Anwar said Mr Putin expressed condolences to the families of those killed, which included 196 Dutch citizens, 43 Malaysians, and 38 Australian citizens or residents.

Mr Putin insisted on a meticulous and thorough investigation on the incident that was free from political influence, Mr Anwar said.

"I mentioned that this is a report made by ICAO, to which he (Putin) replied that from the beginning, he had requested that the investigation be independent and thorough,” the Malaysian premier said on Facebook.

"Malaysia remains resolute in ensuring accountability and a just resolution for the victims and their families who continue to bear the weight of this tragedy," he said.

He said Mr Putin dismissed claims that Russia was reluctant to cooperate in the investigation, and said that the Kremlin was prepared to engage with bodies it deemed impartial.

“Russia is ready to provide all cooperation to ensure that the report was more credible or authoritative,” he told reporters.

Talks became a significant talking point during Mr Anwar’s three-day visit to Russia which was aimed at strengthening cooperation in areas such as trade and investment, agriculture, education, aerospace and energy.

On Wednesday, the son of the pilot on the fateful Malaysian Airlines flight demanded justice into the e “senseless downing” of the flight.

He called it “an act of violence that claimed 298 innocent lives and shattered countless families”, according to Malaysian outlet The Star.

This post has been edited by sivanesanveeraya: May 16 2025, 09:01 AM

"Mr Putin insisted on a meticulous and thorough investigation on the incident that was free from political"

So ask aliens to do the investigation instead?

MH17 – When will we hear the truth?
Posted on May 18, 2025, Sunday at 6:01 AM

I REFER to the AFP’s report as quoted by The Borneo Post on May 14, 2025.

At long last, there appears to be some sort of a closure to the investigations of a tragic event in the history of civil aviation: the downing of a Malaysian plane in July 2014, and with it, the loss of precious human lives, among them 43 Malaysians.

Where? Over that part of Ukraine known as Donetsk, now annexed and controlled by Russia.

The investigations into the shooting down of the MH17 had found evidence that the Russian weapons had been used to destroy the Malaysian plane.

For no good reason!

There was no war between Malaysia and Russia. And even if there had been a war, that’s not a reason to fire at any civilian aircraft.

The report by AFP, as quoted by The Borneo Post on May 14, 2025, also points to Russia’s culpability in the payment of damages for the destruction of the aircraft.

Not too sure what that means – we need some clarification.

The question is: would these ‘damages’ include payments to the relatives of the victims?

After all, they were all the employees of the Malaysian Airlines, and they died in the course of duty.

There must be terms and conditions of service, and these must be recognised by the employers.

There is something vague in the media report, though; it needs a clarification in terms of the distribution of compensation money.

Always supposing that the compensation money will be forthcoming.

For confirmation of the media report, I think the Malaysian government, specifically the Ministry of Transport, should convey the news – if this has not been done – to the relatives of the deceased employees of Malaysia Airlines.

I’m sure that they want to know of the latest development of the case.

For example, they would like to know what exactly that they are waiting for, not so much the award of damages but more importantly, the acceptance of culpability by whoever was responsible for the untimely deaths of their loved ones.

That closure matters much more to a bereaved family than the money as such.

Since the media report was published mid-week, we have been waiting for a statement from the relevant authorities reacting to the report.

I am surprised that since news about the Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim’s current visit to Russia broke at midweek, there has been no statement from the Malaysian government about Russia’s admission of guilt.

The Russians had rejected the finding of the investigators and thereby dismissed the ruling of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) of the United Nations UN).

Why? Because these investigations had been ‘carried out by a team headed by the Netherlands, without the participation by Russia’.

This appears to be ‘business as usual’ in Russia – anything that makes their government look bad is simply ignored.

It looks like the UN agency, or the UN itself, is facing a credibility gap!

Be that as it may, I suggest that the Human Rights Commission of Malaysia (Suhakam) should, if it had not done so, initiate a move to help the relatives of the victims by arranging a meeting between those relatives and the relevant authorities or even with the Russian officials in Kuala Lumpur to find out for sure if the relatives would be entitled to the award of damages at all, or whether the damages would only meant for the loss of the aircraft itself, not to be shared among the relatives of the employees.

Nothing to be ashamed of for asking for some clarification on this matter from the relevant authorities.

Just so that there is no waste of time waiting and then getting frustrated in the process at the end of the day.

I am sure the Government of Malaysia would not mind if Suhakam would make such a worthy move.

Meanwhile, the government would do a good service if the Transport Ministry issued a statement acknowledging that the Russian Embassy in Kuala Lumpur had been duly contacted through the diplomatic channel about the media report above.

The current visit by our Prime Minister to Russia provides a golden opportunity for him to find out the truth about the payment of damages, as diplomatically as possible.

Frankly, the Malaysian public would like to know if he brought the topic up at all.

My guess is that he has whispered in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s ears to the effect.

As Malaysia wishes to be a member of BRICS, with Russia being the leader of the group, one expects that the matter of the shooting down of a Malaysian plane by the Russians would be one among the top priority on the agenda of the visit to Russia.

I certainly hope so.

Source: https://www.theborneopost.com/2025/05/18/mh...hear-the-truth/

You can read the evidence from Bellingcat.

Source: MH17 - The Open Source Evidence

… mh17 lives lost and the mofo still go engage friendly diplomacy with suspect country… disrespectful..

Should have distanced our country from both Ukraine and Russia.

Sos?

Belingcat? No wonder, it was CIA funded



https://www.declassifieduk.org/cia-sidekick...k-media-groups/

U want aliens to be falling out of windows?

Yet, many in this don't blame russia.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jul 10 2025, 01:34 PM

In geopolitical theatrical, whose fist is bigger, wins. There is no right or wrong.

How come is Russia responsible?

Why need to label separatist as 'Pro-Russia'?

Why not saying as 'Pro-Russia' separatist fighting 'Pro-NATO' Ukrainian?

Why not saying those separatist as 'Ukrainian national' separatist?

'IF' separatist is Ukrainian, kenapa bukan Ukraine responsible?

How come not blaming Ukraine Gov for not secure their own air space?

Landmark court ruling on downing of MH17
David Crowe
July 10, 2025 — 4.00am

London: Europe’s peak court on human rights has found Russia responsible for the downing of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 in a missile attack, issuing a landmark verdict on state conduct that killed 298 passengers and crew.

In the first judgment of its kind after years of legal dispute, the European Court of Human Rights held unanimously that Russia and its agents engaged in “manifestly unlawful” conduct in the July 2014 attack.

The decision was part of a broader ruling that also found Russia and its leaders responsible for years of human rights abuses, including torture and summary executions, since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

“Taken as a whole, the vast volume of evidence before the court presented a picture of interconnected practices of manifestly unlawful conduct by agents of the Russian state… on a massive scale across Ukraine,” it found.

The court named the Russian armed forces, other state authorities and its separatist groups as responsible.

The Netherlands and Ukraine brought the action against Russia in the peak human rights court over four cases dating to 2014, seeking rulings to defeat Russian arguments that it was not responsible for abuses and that separatists had brought down MH17 without state involvement.

The sweeping decision, issued on Wednesday (Thursday AEST) in Strasbourg by 17 judges from across Europe, found Russia responsible for summary executions, torture, the use of rape as a weapon of war, religious persecution, forced labour and other breaches.

MH17 was shot down on July 17, 2014, while in flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur and travelling over eastern Ukraine, where separatists backed by Russia were fighting Ukrainian forces in the months after the Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea.

The victims included 38 Australians, including Perth grandfather Nick Norris and three of his grandchildren, Mo, Otis and Evie.

The court judgment includes a detailed analysis of the Buk-Telar ground-to-air missile system being used in Ukraine, dismissing arguments that the separatists were not agents of the Russian state.

“The court agreed that the evidence suggested that the missile had been intentionally fired at flight MH17 most likely in the mistaken belief that it had been a military aircraft,” the court said in a statement.

“It was not necessary for the court to decide exactly who had fired the missile, since Russia was responsible for the acts of the Russian armed forces and of the armed separatists.

The victims included 38 Australians, including Perth grandfather Nick Norris and three of his grandchildren, Mo, Otis and Evie.

The court judgment includes a detailed analysis of the Buk-Telar ground-to-air missile system being used in Ukraine, dismissing arguments that the separatists were not agents of the Russian state.

“The court agreed that the evidence suggested that the missile had been intentionally fired at flight MH17 most likely in the mistaken belief that it had been a military aircraft,” the court said in a statement.

“It was not necessary for the court to decide exactly who had fired the missile, since Russia was responsible for the acts of the Russian armed forces and of the armed separatists.

“The court accepted the evidence of the Dutch government that a Buk-Telar acting alone could not distinguish between military and civilian aircraft.

“The court found that no measures had been taken by Russia to accurately identify military targets, in breach of the principles of distinction and precautions.”

Australia has backed the proceedings at the human rights court over many years, while also supporting separate actions that sought to hold key individuals to account on criminal grounds.

The District Court of The Hague decided the criminal case in November 2022 by sentencing Leonid Kharchenko, Sergey Dubinskiy and Igor Girkin to life imprisonment for the murder of 298 people.

A fourth man, Oleg Pulatov, was acquitted because the court ruled there was not enough evidence about his role in firing the missile.

In the civil case, the European Court of Human Rights confirmed Russia’s involvement in the destruction of flight MH17 in January 2023, but it has taken since then to issue a comprehensive judgment on Russia.

The decision is the first time an international court has found Russia guilty of international human rights abuses since the February 2022 invasion, and the first judgment of its kind on MH17.

The judgment covered four cases, including one brought by the Netherlands against Russia in 2020 over MH17. The other three were brought by Ukraine against Russia in 2014 over human rights violations by separatists in eastern Ukraine and the abduction of children.

Source: https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/euro...710-p5mdu8.html

This post has been edited by haya: Jul 10 2025, 01:41 PM

because got brain dead people claim not shot from russia territory

pmx also echo want "fair" judgement

'High Class' + 'Moral high ground' European confuse again
More than 10 years ago, shxt happened and Ukraine gov no give a shxt.
How come now need the Ukrainian separatist (& Russia ) give a shxt....

Human rights? What human rights?

(just reply, not target at u)

EU position on the massacre in Odessa

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/docume...-008919_EN.html

Coz separatist are Ukrainian.

U can argue that Russia provided support to those separatist. (Just like NATO provide military support to Ukrainian that did something MSM wouldn't want to cover).

But still the separatist are Ukrainian.

How come it is Russia responsible but not 'Ukrainian'.

Now only confirm because Russian delegation are coming to Malaysia..

What is the coincidence?

Propaganda la.. macam2