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post May 1 2025, 03:25 PM, updated 8 months ago

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Something Alarming Is Happening to the Job Market
-A New Sign That AI Is Competing with College Grads


The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/economy/archive/2025/04/job-market-youth/682641/

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Total Unemployment Numbers - Fresh Grad Unemployment Numbers = Graduate Gap Unemployment

Summary: Compared 1990 (40 years ago) to 2025(Current) Fresh grad employment has reduced as much as 4X.
Also taking in consideration the large increase of paper mills producing grads and population surged in a period of 40 years.

Study shows that the value of education investment has significantly reduced to date! It also means that degrees around half a century ago (50 years) has 4X more chances of landing you a job than it is today.

**Study also show that 5 skilfull ChatGPT users without degrees now can perform the job of 20 traditional degree holders (grads)

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Something strange, and potentially alarming, is happening to the job market for young, educated workers.
According to the New York Federal Reserve, labor conditions for recent college graduates have “deteriorated noticeably” in the past few months, and the unemployment rate now stands at an unusually high 5.8 percent. Even newly minted M.B.A.s from elite programs are struggling to find work. Meanwhile, law-school applications are surging—an ominous echo of when young people used graduate school to bunker down during the great financial crisis.
What’s going on? I see three plausible explanations, and each might be a little bit true.

The first theory is that the labor market for young people never fully recovered from the coronavirus pandemic—or even, arguably, from the Great Recession. “Young people are having a harder time finding a job than they used to, and it’s been going on for a while, at least 10 years,” David Deming, an economist at Harvard, told me. The Great Recession led not only to mass layoffs but also to hiring freezes at many employers, and caused particular hardships for young people. After unemployment peaked in 2009, the labor market took time to heal, improving slowly until the pandemic shattered that progress. And just when a tech boom seemed around the corner, inflation roared back, leading the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates and cool demand across the economy. White-collar industries—especially technology—were among the hardest hit. The number of job openings in software development and IT operations plunged. The share of jobs posted on Indeed in software programming has declined by more than 50 percent since 2022. For new grads hoping to start a career in tech, consulting, or finance, the market simply isn’t that strong.

A second theory points to a deeper, more structural shift: College doesn’t confer the same labor advantages that it did 15 years ago. According to research by the San Francisco Federal Reserve, 2010 marked a turning point, when the lifetime-earnings gap between college grads and high-school graduates stopped widening. At the same time, the share of online job postings seeking workers with a college degree has declined.
To be clear: College still pays off, on average. The college wage premium was never going to rise forever, and the fact that non-college workers have done a little better since 2010 isn’t bad news; it’s actually great news for less educated workers. But the upshot is a labor market where the return on investment for college is more uncertain.
The third theory is that the relatively weak labor market for college grads could be an early sign that artificial intelligence is starting to transform the economy.

“When you think from first principles about what generative AI can do, and what jobs it can replace, it’s the kind of things that young college grads have done” in white-collar firms, Deming told me. “They read and synthesize information and data. They produce reports and presentations.”
Consider, then, a novel economic indicator: the recent-grad gap. It’s the difference between the unemployment of young college graduates and the overall labor force. Going back four decades, young college graduates almost always have a lower—sometimes much lower—unemployment rate than the overall economy, because they are relatively cheap labor and have just spent four years marinating in a (theoretically) enriching environment.

But last month’s recent-grad gap hit an all-time low. That is, today’s college graduates are entering an economy that is relatively worse for young college grads than any month on record, going back at least four decades.


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The strong interpretation of this graph is that it’s exactly what one would expect to see if firms replaced young workers with machines. As law firms leaned on AI for more paralegal work, and consulting firms realized that five 22-year-olds with ChatGPT could do the work of 20 recent grads, and tech firms turned over their software programming to a handful of superstars working with AI co-pilots, the entry level of America’s white-collar economy would contract. The chaotic Trump economy could make things worse. Recessions can accelerate technological change, as firms use the downturn to cut less efficient workers and squeeze productivity from whatever technology is available. And even if employers aren’t directly substituting AI for human workers, high spending on AI infrastructure may be crowding out spending on new hires.

Luckily for humans, though, skepticism of the strong interpretation is warranted. For one thing, supercharged productivity growth, which an intelligence explosion would likely produce, is hard to find in the data. For another, a New York Fed survey of firms released last year found that AI was having a negligible effect on hiring. Karin Kimbrough, the chief economist at LinkedIn, told me she’s not seeing clear evidence of job displacement due to AI just yet. Instead, she said, today’s grads are entering an uncertain economy where some businesses are so focused on tomorrow’s profit margin that they’re less willing to hire large numbers of entry-level workers, who “often take time to learn on the job.”

No matter the interpretation, the labor market for young grads is flashing a yellow light. It could be the signal of short-term economic drag, or medium-term changes to the value of the college degree, or long-term changes to the relationship between people and AI. This is a number to watch.


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Gov should tax company that uses AI more for displacing so many jobs
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Some youngsters are going trade school for 2 years and then find a decent blue collar job...
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 1 2025, 03:36 PM)
Gov should tax company that uses AI more for displacing so many jobs
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Mana boleh, we need this business if not more people unemployed.

Even our government use it, look at RTM during Raya.

Look at our government portal/social media page semua AI buat punya
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ May 1 2025, 03:26 PM)
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QUOTE(Jigoku @ May 1 2025, 03:42 PM)
Mana boleh, we need this business if not more people unemployed.

Even our government use it, look at RTM during Raya.

Look at our government portal/social media page semua AI buat punya
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more like gov contractor guna AI

Gov servant aren't that bright.
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the ai said....

While there isn't a definitive number for 2024, projections suggest that AI could displace a significant portion of jobs in the coming years.

For example, McKinsey Global Institute estimates that automation could displace between 400 and 800 million jobs globally by 2030.

The World Economic Forum also suggests that by 2025, 85 million jobs might be displaced, while 97 million new roles may emerge.
https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence...s-creating-jobs

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AI can replace those non-college degree jobs. Usually low level blue collar jobs or white collar jobs.

Usually those things you watch a youtube video for DIY.

But even something more complicated will reach its limits very quickly with AI.
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 1 2025, 04:36 PM)
Gov should tax company that uses AI more for displacing so many jobs
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Sometimes you think the gomen got no fucking idea what they're doing.

Improve min. wage / term of employment and say to take care of employees.
Remove allocation for foreign worker to shift jobs for local workers.

Then bila companies say struggling with workforce, they got told to use AI/automation/industry 4.0 (ergo not really employing the above group in the end),
here's some government incentives / grants / tax breaks.
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Not learn to maneuver AI

But using AI to create slandering content maki dapig

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AI must pay income tax.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ May 1 2025, 03:51 PM)
AI can replace those non-college degree jobs. Usually low level blue collar jobs or white collar jobs.

Usually those things you watch a youtube video for DIY.

But even something more complicated will reach its limits very quickly with AI.
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that's bcoz AGI isn't out yet. AGI + robotics = big revolution
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QUOTE(keybearer @ May 1 2025, 03:56 PM)
Sometimes you think the gomen got no fucking idea what they're doing.

Improve min. wage / term of employment and say to take care of employees.
Remove allocation for foreign worker to shift jobs for local workers.

Then bila companies say struggling with workforce, they got told to use AI/automation/industry 4.0 (ergo not really employing the above group in the end),
here's some government incentives / grants / tax breaks.
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well, most politicians are indeed clueless.

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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ May 1 2025, 04:15 PM)
that's bcoz AGI isn't out yet. AGI + robotics = big revolution
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The cost will be very high.

Again, it will be best used for "undesirable" jobs. Easy jobs but high pay because nobody wants to do it. Or dangerous jobs, but high pay.

Most kuli jobs are so low paying that it will be cheaper just to continue exploiting people lol.
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 1 2025, 03:36 PM)
Gov should tax company that uses AI more for displacing so many jobs
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Now u ask company go back old route using cheap labour after transformation?

LELELELELEL
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Suddenly tertiary education industry becomes irrelevant overnight. Ppl just need to learn how to input chatgpt prompt, and everyone else becomes no value. Just wait till Ai becomes sentient and start to have survivability instinct, human will vanish
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QUOTE(LDP @ May 1 2025, 03:42 PM)
Some youngsters are going trade school for 2 years and then find a decent blue collar job...
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This could be the way out
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Oredi say , by 2030 /K will be a very quiet place pt1. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(cakoilembutgebu @ May 1 2025, 04:24 PM)
Suddenly tertiary education industry becomes irrelevant overnight. Ppl just need to learn how to input chatgpt prompt, and everyone else becomes no value. Just wait till Ai becomes sentient and start to have survivability instinct, human will vanish
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Article says 5 high school leavers (SPM level) with sufficient ChatGPT skill perform the job of 20 traditional uni grads..

Will people attend universities to get degrees after this?

Maybe not all jobs but lots of industries will be affected.
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/ktards already earning 20k before age of AI. Irrelevant

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ May 1 2025, 04:30 PM)
/ktards already earning 20k before age of AI. Irrelevant
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With AI today, it's no longer as easy to earn like before anymore.

That's how they suppress salaries now for the fresh grads.
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If a degree holder can't learn how to use AI tools better than some randos, you deserved being unemployed.
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ May 1 2025, 05:40 PM)
If a degree holder can't learn how to use AI tools better than some randos, you deserved being unemployed.
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Make that 2 experienced degree holders that are skilled in Chat GPT vs 5 SPM leavers skilled in Chat GPT vs 20 traditional degree holders

Which solution has the best cost savings?
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To make this more clear.

40 Years ago when the world's combined population was probably lesser than today and not as many educated people who completed tertiary education from paper mills as much as today, they were 4X more as employable and in demand as today.

Is the education system WRECKED?
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QUOTE(LDP @ May 1 2025, 03:42 PM)
Some youngsters are going trade school for 2 years and then find a decent blue collar job...
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yes indeed...and some also undergo maritime training to become qualified seafarers.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ May 1 2025, 05:31 PM)
With AI today, it's no longer as easy to earn like before anymore.

That's how they suppress salaries now for the fresh grads.
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Luck on our side already made /20k club liao right?
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QUOTE(knwong @ May 1 2025, 03:36 PM)
Gov should tax company that uses AI more for displacing so many jobs
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digital tax.. owai..
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QUOTE(Ayambetul @ May 1 2025, 04:23 PM)
Now u ask company go back old route using cheap labour after transformation?

LELELELELEL
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Everyday mc la
Emak sakit
Datuk passaway
Smoking break
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All kind of lj reason, now this AI kasi kick out all this.. so still wanna use back cheap labor?

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Duh, nowadays a lot profitable factory uses automation, AI, no need so much HR

also, third grade uni mass produce 3rd grade grads want glamour and high paying jobs. Construction, agriculture industry still short of manpower

surprise pikachu

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QUOTE(soul78 @ May 1 2025, 04:25 PM)
Oredi say , by 2030 /K will be a very quiet place pt1. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ May 1 2025, 05:31 PM)
With AI today, it's no longer as easy to earn like before anymore.

That's how they suppress salaries now for the fresh grads.
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not easy? i though can one man show do everything with AI? can even one person setup who scam call "fleet" .. how not easy??

unemployment is high, but u are implying that young graduate these days still want to be "employed". with AI and various platform we have now, they can create their own stuff with minimal resources and earn living. just like when computer, and the internet, and then social media came along, it killed a lot of boomers rice bowl, but young ppl just starting, they will eventually navigate through the future.

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Surprised pikachu

How many public uni now and then 40yrs ago?

5 then vs now, how many?

Are we creating the economy the employers to hire? It's an opposite direction overdrive

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Sinkie being their KIASI'ness will be the 1st one to feel this hard...

then eventually will trickle down to us...

but no doubt sinkies will get hit hard first...
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Thanks to ai, that number will go up in the next few years

Itu lah nak anak sangat. Now tangung. Once grab does drone delivery the entry level rider job pun hilang
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Who need to worried about AI?

Those without skill but tokok and take high celery
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