QUOTE(anakkk @ Apr 26 2025, 01:29 PM)
true, it's been happening for a long timefact remains...
NO ONE TALKS BOUT IT
it'll continue
News Villagers in Sabah find themselves listed as, Muslims without their knowledge
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Apr 26 2025, 03:20 PM
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Apr 26 2025, 03:22 PM
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Apr 26 2025, 03:46 PM
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Lasict and insecure, that's why they did the dirty trick.
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Apr 26 2025, 05:32 PM
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No choice, sabah indigenous nons also have high TFR, not like peninsular malaysia, type c and type i are "breeding" themselves to extinction.
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Apr 26 2025, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(FappyBird @ Apr 26 2025, 03:08 PM) Not a Muslim country, say how many god damn time already.Just because West Malaysia Muslim breed like rabbits, and the law set so you can never leave, doesn't mean you can try that BS in EM. JonSpark and Slowpokeking liked this post
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Apr 26 2025, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(FappyBird @ Apr 26 2025, 05:58 PM) First tell to their face every time they claim Muslim Country. You have already been conditioned to believe the BS.Do not give them an inch. JonSpark liked this post
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QUOTE(Chowda @ Apr 26 2025, 06:00 PM) First tell to their face every time they claim Muslim Country. You have already been conditioned to believe the BS. I mean they gonna outbreed us anyway. Too tired to care about the country anymoreDo not give them an inch. hamsterdam and Penamer liked this post
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Apr 26 2025, 06:05 PM
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Fucking scum, so peaceful, not forced konon.
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Apr 26 2025, 06:17 PM
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Penipu nombor satu di dunia. Peaceful R Konon.
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Apr 26 2025, 06:18 PM
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The part I don't understand why the victims need to go through unnecessary ordeal to rectify mistake made by other parties?
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Apr 27 2025, 04:51 AM
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Ohh, no wonderla fastest growing... Lol!
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Apr 27 2025, 06:12 AM
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Anwar project ic part II
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Apr 27 2025, 07:37 AM
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Apr 27 2025, 08:42 AM
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I know of orang asals in Selangor getting stipends even after the Ustaz who converted them decades ago, died. These are not practicing muslims. Even used the Zakat money to buy carlsbergs. I engage them to catch wild animals in my plantation. These guys eat most things. They only work when they feel like they want to.
Remember Zakat collection in states like Selangor is higher than even Penang Gomen annual budget. I guess these ustazs have KPIs and these "converts" can't say no to free money. Systems in place are probably easy to abuse. QUOTE(china_dude 02 @ Apr 27 2025, 07:37 AM) Yeah right. 👇QUOTE(china_dude 02 @ Apr 26 2025, 01:23 PM) According to records held by the department, Marni was said to have embraced Islam in 2009. The form in question, which carried her name and identification card number, included a headscarf-wearing photograph taken years earlier for a health card application. The findings also extend to individuals who had formally converted. One such case involves Jurni Andawa, a farmworker from Kampung Mosopoh who embraced Islam in 2009. He told JHEAINS officers that he had been promised a one-off payment of RM1,000 upon conversion, which he never received. Instead, he was given RM300 monthly for three years. He also said he only learned recently that financial incentives tied to his conversion may have been processed by JHEAINS using zakat funds — information he had never been made aware of before. https://www.thevibes.com/articles/news/1074...their-knowledge |
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Apr 27 2025, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(Slowpokeking @ Apr 26 2025, 06:05 PM) Not forced but scammed. This case is scamming then act act donnoQUOTE(sankai80 @ Apr 26 2025, 06:18 PM) The part I don't understand why the victims need to go through unnecessary ordeal to rectify mistake made by other parties? To make it so hard they give up?QUOTE(Ewww! @ Apr 27 2025, 04:51 AM) Anything can |
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Common stories during 00s
Even got vids that they do it and very prideful about changing the religion without permission. |
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Apr 27 2025, 12:11 PM
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The only solution is to stop religion identification, in ic and in all system. Just let god do his thing with his follower not man made system.
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Apr 27 2025, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(china_dude 02 @ Apr 26 2025, 01:23 PM) SEVERAL villagers in the interior Sabah district of Nabawan discovered they were officially listed as Muslims despite never converting to the religion, raising serious concerns about identity manipulation. Does that earn a ticket afterlife?lolAmong those affected is 38-year-old Marni Pangeran, a Christian mother of four who only discovered her status had changed during a routine verification at the Sabah Islamic Religious Affairs Department (JHEAINS) office. According to records held by the department, Marni was said to have embraced Islam in 2009. However, she maintains that she never converted and was unaware of any such documentation. “I was born a Christian and I have always been a Christian. I never signed any forms or gave my thumbprint,” she said when she visited the department’s office in Nabawan. The form in question, which carried her name and identification card number, included a headscarf-wearing photograph taken years earlier for a health card application. The document also contained a thumbprint she denies is hers. JHEAINS has since confirmed it will review Marni’s case following her formal denial after she lodged a police report. Another three individuals, all of whom are active members of a church in Nabawan, have also been identified in the JHEAINS database as Muslims. Their church leaders expressed shock when notified by officials. The individuals were not present at the department office when the findings were confirmed and their names are being withheld to protect their identities. The discovery was made during checks conducted by the Pertubuhan Kebudayaan dan Kebajikan Murut Malaysia. It’s president, Raymond Ahuar, said the findings raised serious questions about how religious records were altered without the individuals’ knowledge or consent. “These are active Christians. Their names appearing in the Islamic database is alarming. “It may reflect either manipulation or a systemic loophole that is being exploited.” Marni’s case may reflect a broader pattern. Marni said she was initially offered RM1,000 a month by two individuals from a company, as part of what she believed was a legitimate employment opportunity. The payments eventually stopped, and she was never informed that her identity had been used for other purposes such as her conversion to Islam. According to Raymond, several individuals in Nabawan’s Murut community — an indigenous ethnic group in Sabah — were reportedly enticed with small cash incentives or vague job promises in exchange for handing over identification documents. “These are vulnerable communities. They do not control the finances or operate the companies their names are linked to. They were used.” In a separate case, 39-year-old Jenifer Ansakoi discovered that she had been classified as Muslim when reissuing her lost identity card. Four of her sons are officially Christian, but her two youngest children — now in Form 1 and Year 1 — were listed as Muslims under the Islamic patronymic “bin Abdullah”. However, a check with JHEAINS revealed that her name was not in their system, suggesting the error may have originated with the National Registration Department (JPN). She has been advised to pursue rectification through JPN. The findings also extend to individuals who had formally converted. One such case involves Jurni Andawa, a farmworker from Kampung Mosopoh who embraced Islam in 2009. He told JHEAINS officers that he had been promised a one-off payment of RM1,000 upon conversion, which he never received. Instead, he was given RM300 monthly for three years. He also said he only learned recently that financial incentives tied to his conversion may have been processed by JHEAINS using zakat funds — information he had never been made aware of before. The full extent of the issue in Nabawan remains unclear, but Raymond believes the problem may go far beyond isolated incidents. He is urging members of the Murut community, particularly in the interior district, to verify their religious status with JHEAINS, especially if they had previously submitted personal documents for employment or business-related matters or they simply have doubts. “This isn’t just about administrative errors. It’s about identity and the rights of people whose faith has been altered without their consent.” Raymond also emphasised that every Malaysian — regardless of race or religion — has a duty to safeguard Islam as the official religion of the Federation. For cases where individuals are found to be registered in the JHEAINS system as Muslims but dispute the record, the department has advised that complaints or challenges be brought to the Syariah Court. – April 26, 2025 https://www.thevibes.com/articles/news/1074...their-knowledge |
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