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post Apr 21 2025, 06:40 AM, updated 8 months ago

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I think the math checks out no?


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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 21 2025, 06:40 AM)
I think the math checks out no?


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interest tak masuk?
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They dont know 70:30.

But suprising withdraw 11k kwsp still left so much balance, he didnt instruct the bank to allocate to pay principle.
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post Apr 21 2025, 07:12 AM

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LOL at the comments. Say cannot have interest. Then can buy ASNB and expect untung


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post Apr 21 2025, 07:14 AM

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Ehh. Kamu kena bayar bank interest.

Macam pinjam 35k then bayar 35k Kah?
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post Apr 21 2025, 07:16 AM

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Rumah 35k ??
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what kind of rumah 35k i take 2 pay cash
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is like that lo, last time help my dad pay for the 42k flat, montly pay 300, after 10 years already paid 30k+, but still have 30k to pay off after 10 years.

QUOTE(lahart @ Apr 21 2025, 07:16 AM)
Rumah 35k ??
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low cost flat 20 years ago is that price.

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That’s why full flexi housing loan was best, ayam clear 30yrs loan in 7 years.
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post Apr 21 2025, 07:39 AM

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post Apr 21 2025, 08:05 AM

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When sign agreement and bank loan hentam Signature only is it?
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post Apr 21 2025, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 07:29 AM)
That’s why full flexi housing loan was best, ayam clear 30yrs loan in 7 years.
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what difference full flexi and semi flexi?
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hmmm, is a common thing -- the ratio like 20% to principal, while 70% to interest -- correct me if i am wrong, and slowly increase the 20% to like ? finish interest hahaha biggrin.gif
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kesimpulan: mathematic gagal
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Bayar Bulan only Rm200....WTF.....Rm150 are bank intrest...Rm50 are house Installment.....Rm50 per month..you pay 17 years sure still kanasai....
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QUOTE(azbro @ Apr 21 2025, 08:05 AM)
When sign agreement and bank loan hentam Signature only is it?
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B40 don't no math la.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 21 2025, 08:19 AM)
B40 don't no math la.
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B40 mindset is expect loan 30 years, but finish pay in 10 years with minimum installment. if more, then meroyan.
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post Apr 21 2025, 08:25 AM

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I wish I can find a house in kl with that price.
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you can check wif bank for clarification no?
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bank is just legal ah long
interest cekik darah
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post Apr 21 2025, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Apr 21 2025, 08:17 AM)
Bayar Bulan only Rm200....WTF.....Rm150 are bank intrest...Rm50 are house Installment.....Rm50 per month..you pay 17 years sure still kanasai....
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If based on your RM50 principle payment for 17 years + the guy already dump 11k EPF into his loan…the guy should left with 13k principle left to clear


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tu baru bayar interest kot..
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Apr 21 2025, 08:31 AM)
bank is just legal ah long
interest cekik darah
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tolong rekomen kalau ade org lain yg sanggup pinjam 500k dan bayar ansuran 30thn.

tqvm
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post Apr 21 2025, 08:38 AM

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Late payment, compounded late payment interest

Owed fire Insurance for years


Malaysia, even 30+ still think like 6 years old
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not even worth a facepalm. there's many of those out there.

moving along now...
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35k loan i assume if loan 30 years gonna end up pay 2.5 times of the total house price.

87.5k total if you pay on time.


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QUOTE(soul78 @ Apr 21 2025, 08:08 AM)
what difference full flexi and semi flexi?
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Full flexi u can take out money or pay extra whenever u want, no need inform bank in advance.

The way my previous full flexi work is I just dump all my salary into the current account, the balance in current account will offset the loan principal automatically. I can withdraw from this current account any time or any amount as I wish. That way your uninvested money will always work for you to reduce loan interest.

Even when your deposit already fully cover the loan balance, it’s up to you whether u wish to officially clear the loan or just leave it as is (loan still exist but zero interest charged).
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QUOTE(lahart @ Apr 21 2025, 07:16 AM)
Rumah 35k ??
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Like some1 comment.
Also back then 25 years alot landed double storeh at cheras/kl area below 50k only
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QUOTE(Manuk1188 @ Apr 21 2025, 08:13 AM)
hmmm, is a common thing -- the ratio like 20% to principal, while  70% to interest -- correct me if i am wrong, and slowly increase the 20% to like ? finish interest hahaha  biggrin.gif
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Your interest is based on how much you owe, after settle interest, remaining installment goes to principal.

In the beginning it appears all installment went to interest cause the amount you owe in beginning is high.

If you park cash into loan 100%, your interest is 0.
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QUOTE(lawliet88 @ Apr 21 2025, 08:45 AM)
Like some1 comment.
Also back then 25 years alot landed double storeh at cheras/kl area below 50k only
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cannot be 25 years.
in 1990s cheras/ampang area still around 70k to 100k.
in 2000s norm is around 200k.
in 2010 it is around 300k
in 2020s it become 500k and above.

it has be 40 years before, then maybe 35k
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Apr 21 2025, 08:38 AM)
Late payment, compounded late payment interest

Owed fire Insurance for years
Malaysia, even 30+ still think like 6 years old
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This make sense.
There may be yearly fire insurance auto renewal + other additional insurance which the homeowner didn't pay extra and let it park under the loan.
Another things is MRTA/MLTA which add-up all the loan amount.

No wonder FinancialFaiz pissed-off with this kind of news. Always blame banks but not the loantaker ownself.
All his effort to educate ppl about loans like throwing water onto the floor.
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Apr 21 2025, 08:38 AM)
Late payment, compounded late payment interest

Owed fire Insurance for years
Malaysia, even 30+ still think like 6 years old
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Ok late payment makes a lot sense then
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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 21 2025, 08:48 AM)
cannot be 25 years.
in 1990s cheras/ampang area still around 70k to 100k.
in 2000s norm is around 200k.
in 2010 it is around 300k
in 2020s it become 500k and above.

it has be 40 years before, then maybe 35k
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the 35K is likely refer to low cost apartment
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 07:29 AM)
That’s why full flexi housing loan was best, ayam clear 30yrs loan in 7 years.
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how much was your loan?
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 08:42 AM)
Full flexi u can take out money or pay extra whenever u want, no need inform bank in advance.

The way my previous full flexi work is I just dump all my salary into the current account, the balance in current account will offset the loan principal automatically. I can withdraw from this current account any time or any amount as I wish. That way your uninvested money will always work for you to reduce loan interest.

Even when your deposit already fully cover the loan balance, it’s up to you whether u wish to officially clear the loan or just leave it as is (loan still exist but zero interest charged).
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old flexi loan can have zero interest if money dumped =/> loan balance, new flexi loan will only offset 70% loan balance as bank realized the disadvantage of old flexi loan
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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 21 2025, 07:48 AM)
cannot be 25 years.
in 1990s cheras/ampang area still around 70k to 100k.
in 2000s norm is around 200k.
in 2010 it is around 300k
in 2020s it become 500k and above.

it has be 40 years before, then maybe 35k
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About 30 Years ago.
Rumah Low Cost during Mahathir time.
My House at Lorong Nipah 6. Lorong Nipah 7 - 15 are those Rm35k low cost house. My Father that time also interest to buy but not qualified, his Salary was too high.


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QUOTE(JasonthegreatTWO @ Apr 21 2025, 07:12 AM)
LOL at the comments.  Say cannot have interest.  Then can buy ASNB and expect untung
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Lol I immediately think about this because interest = haram.
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must be do not aware about the rate changes due to OPR and still paid with an old amount.
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35k loan is definitely non flexi loan
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Amortization chart definitely check out correctly
And yes, he hasnt instruct bank to deduct principle, and maybe his term loan cant clear principle only

https://www.calculator.net/amortization-cal...ulate#calresult

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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Apr 21 2025, 08:23 AM)
B40 mindset is expect loan 30 years, but finish pay in 10 years with minimum installment. if more, then meroyan.
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you are wrong. true B40 mindset is take loan already then don't pay back. then when bank/ahlong come and collect money or confiscate assets, they cry father cry mother then ask for a certain religious group to help nego blush.gif
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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 21 2025, 08:56 AM)
old flexi loan can have zero interest if money dumped =/> loan balance, new flexi loan will only offset 70% loan balance as bank realized the disadvantage  of old flexi loan
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In the end bank still smarter
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QUOTE(azbro @ Apr 21 2025, 08:05 AM)
When sign agreement and bank loan hentam Signature only is it?
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This is the same gang as the PTPTN whom borrow and don't pay....
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QUOTE(JasonthegreatTWO @ Apr 21 2025, 07:12 AM)
LOL at the comments.  Say cannot have interest.  Then can buy ASNB and expect untung
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Interest in another way.

Loop hole.

Topkek ariba riba anggallelelele
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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 21 2025, 08:56 AM)
old flexi loan can have zero interest if money dumped =/> loan balance, new flexi loan will only offset 70% loan balance as bank realized the disadvantage  of old flexi loan
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Too bad for new borrower, that’s why ayam said full flexi WAS the best. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(lawliet88 @ Apr 21 2025, 08:45 AM)
Like some1 comment.
Also back then 25 years alot landed double storeh at cheras/kl area below 50k only
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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 21 2025, 08:48 AM)
cannot be 25 years.
in 1990s cheras/ampang area still around 70k to 100k.
in 2000s norm is around 200k.
in 2010 it is around 300k
in 2020s it become 500k and above.

it has be 40 years before, then maybe 35k
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Dad bought double story house for around 60k-70k in the early 90s.

Can't say exactly where, but its a 15-20 drive to KLCC if there is zero jam (impossible nowadays la).

The houses in my area, if you tried to buy second hand are worth 500k to 1 mil. No joke. 60k-70k jump to 500k-1 mil.

QUOTE(kons @ Apr 21 2025, 08:48 AM)
cannot be 25 years.
in 1990s cheras/ampang area still around 70k to 100k.
in 2000s norm is around 200k.
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Also, like what happened with these years. 70k to 200k+ is an insane jump for 10 years.

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When BLR/interest rate turun, need to apply to decrease interest rate with bank. When naik, bank send you letter stated they will increase the loan repayment.

So everytime you need to apply to decrease in accordance to BLR/interest rate. Is this apply to all loan types?
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QUOTE(Ickythump @ Apr 21 2025, 07:20 AM)
what kind of rumah 35k i take 2 pay cash
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low cost flat ler bro...

my father has 2, both priced 30+k 20 years ago. now one 100k kekpot but the other one....bulan2 rm700 sewa

i mean rm700 for a fucking cage is kinda ok...but i tell ya, these "low cost" ones sure byk porblem and very slow one to sell cost need approval to sell from gov

that includes "low cost terrace" built years ago
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Apr 21 2025, 09:15 AM)
Dad bought double story house for around 60k-70k in the early 90s.

Can't say exactly where, but its a 15-20 drive to KLCC if there is zero jam (impossible nowadays la).

The houses in my area, if you tried to buy second hand are worth 500k to 1 mil. No joke. 60k-70k jump to 500k-1 mil.
Also, like what happened with these years. 70k to 200k+ is an insane jump for 10 years.
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now the houses here likely around 700k ~ 800k.
mine corner lot should be around 1m plus
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Apr 21 2025, 09:38 AM)
Late payment, compounded late payment interest

Owed fire Insurance for years
Malaysia, even 30+ still think like 6 years old
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Coz expect to be treated like 6 year old.

want something?... simply cry and throw tantrum.

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Apr 21 2025, 09:15 AM)
Dad bought double story house for around 60k-70k in the early 90s.

Can't say exactly where, but its a 15-20 drive to KLCC if there is zero jam (impossible nowadays la).

The houses in my area, if you tried to buy second hand are worth 500k to 1 mil. No joke. 60k-70k jump to 500k-1 mil.
Also, like what happened with these years. 70k to 200k+ is an insane jump for 10 years.
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I always feel property was never cheap or affordable in any era. For majority, yes can afford but not like the kind that can afford 10-20 properties kind.

Thats y most majority of us don't inherit 10-20 properties hahahahaa. If it was that affordable, majority of us would be sitting on 20-30 properties from our grandparents, then our parents etc.

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B40 fail in math.
Pergi tengok building bank yang beasr dan cangih tu. You faham wang dah pergi mana.
RM200 per month, better than bayar sewa.
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Apr 21 2025, 07:14 AM)
Ehh. Kamu kena bayar bank interest.

Macam pinjam 35k then bayar 35k Kah?

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this is the way.

no riba. no interest. fair & square.

ayam sure you also want this kind loan scheme yes? icon_idea.gif
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Checks out.

It is frustrating, but Bank Negara and other banks are seriously worst than Arlong when it comes to House Loan, more than half of the loan period are majority you're paying the interests 1st, and because of that, the interests keep piling up because your principal only decrease only a small amount each year.

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Win win laa..bank get profit RM 50k..his house 17 years MV now how much? Must be more than 100k.
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 21 2025, 06:40 AM)
I think the math checks out no?


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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 21 2025, 09:48 AM)
cannot be 25 years.
in 1990s cheras/ampang area still around 70k to 100k.
in 2000s norm is around 200k.
in 2010 it is around 300k
in 2020s it become 500k and above.

it has be 40 years before, then maybe 35k
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my father bought a subang condo unit for about ~30k during 1980s before construction, now if want to buy the same unit it's already ~250k

if it's the terrance house / link house even worse, 70k~100k, now it's already at least 750k, some if refurbished fully can go to 1mil
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Don't complain bank itu ah long when you no money to buy house/car. Kalau capable fork out itu 35k sendiri.

House loan is mortgage amortisation. Masa sign loan document itu hentam sign saja?

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pay loan for 17 years never once look at the bank statement
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QUOTE(chinteck79 @ Apr 21 2025, 09:51 AM)
pay loan for 17 years never once look at the bank statement
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More like when sign loan agreement buta buta
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QUOTE(cms @ Apr 21 2025, 09:31 AM)
I always feel property was never cheap or affordable in any era. For majority, yes can afford but not like the kind that can afford 10-20 properties kind.

Thats y most majority of us don't inherit 10-20 properties hahahahaa. If it was that affordable, majority of us would be sitting on 20-30 properties from our grandparents, then our parents etc.
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No one talking about buying 10-20 properties.

But let just take my father example. He bought a double story house for 60k-70k in the 1990s

The houses in my taman now is going for 500k to even 1 mil.

That is a 10x increase in price. But has salary increase x10? I don't think sooo.

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QUOTE(hteekay @ Apr 21 2025, 09:38 AM)
Checks out.

It is frustrating, but Bank Negara and other banks are seriously worst than Arlong when it comes to House Loan, more than half of the loan period are majority you're paying the interests 1st, and because of that, the interests keep piling up because your principal only decrease only a small amount each year.
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yes and i am wondering why cant the bank negara instruct local banks to have 50% principal and 50% interest from the beginning until to the end. if cant 50/50 at least 40/60 lol
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 21 2025, 09:38 AM)
this is the way.

no riba. no interest. fair & square.

ayam sure you also want this kind loan scheme yes?  icon_idea.gif
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You loan me RM100k now.

I pay you back RM100k 50 years later. If you and me pass away, I ask my son to pay your son RM100k 50 years later rolleyes.gif
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LOL at the comments.  Say cannot have interest.  Then can buy ASNB and expect untung
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Late payment, compounded late payment interest

Owed fire Insurance for years
Malaysia, even 30+ still think like 6 years old
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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 21 2025, 08:56 AM)
old flexi loan can have zero interest if money dumped =/> loan balance, new flexi loan will only offset 70% loan balance as bank realized the disadvantage  of old flexi loan
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 21 2025, 09:38 AM)
this is the way.

no riba. no interest. fair & square.

ayam sure you also want this kind loan scheme yes?  icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 21 2025, 09:38 AM)
this is the way.

no riba. no interest. fair & square.

ayam sure you also want this kind loan scheme yes?  icon_idea.gif
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Butbutbut ayam want high interest on FD juga.

How ar? Bank get moneh from sky?

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yes and i am wondering why cant the bank negara instruct local banks to have 50% principal and 50% interest from the beginning until to the end. if cant 50/50 at least 40/60 lol
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You loan me RM100k now.

I pay you back RM100k 50 years later. If you and me pass away, I ask my son to pay your son RM100k 50 years later  rolleyes.gif
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Butbutbut ayam want high interest on FD juga.

How ar? Bank get moneh from sky?
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I did ask this question to the anti Islamic Bank / anti riba dudes on FB & on TikTok.

i was labelled as kafir/munafiqun because I toyed with what has been written in the Quran.
i asked them: which part is riba if i borrow RM100k then later payback exactly RM100k? But the loan repayment tenure is UP TO ME, for as long I try to fulfill the loan repayment.

TROLOLOLOL.

I really hate these anti riba hyprocytes. The only solution is Islamic Bank but they say it's backdoor riba. rolleyes.gif

From which source will bank able to sustain/make profit you ask if borrow RM100k, payback RM100k?

that one I don't care LOL.


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yes and i am wondering why cant the bank negara instruct local banks to have 50% principal and 50% interest from the beginning until to the end. if cant 50/50 at least 40/60 lol
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I did ask this question to the anti Islamic Bank / anti riba dudes on FB & on TikTok.

i was labelled as kafir/munafiqun because I toyed with what has been written in the Quran.
i asked them: which part is riba if i borrow RM100k then later payback exactly RM100k? But the loan repayment tenure is UP TO ME, for as long I try to fulfill the loan repayment.

TROLOLOLOL.

I really hate these anti riba hyprocytes. The only solution is Islamic Bank but they say it's backdoor riba.  rolleyes.gif 

From which source will bank able to sustain/make profit you ask if borrow RM100k, payback RM100k?

that one I don't care LOL.
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young time teacher ask to study math properly dont want...wanna become lalabeng mat rempit

grown up become bodo dunno calculate loan...amortization...knnmcb
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Normal lah, 17 years ago at year 2008 probably housing loan interest around 5-6%, house 35k, 35 years loan instalment total RM84k.

For the first 10 years, majority of the instalment are serving the interest
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young time teacher ask to study math properly dont want...wanna become lalabeng mat rempit

grown up become bodo dunno calculate loan...amortization...knnmcb
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this is why every month i see bank transaction for my house its damn tiok. i pay RM2.8k/mth, then interest RM2.1k/mth. so basically im only clearing RM700/mth in principal zzzz

thats why my pama back then offered to give me some cash to reduce the principal back then. i need to throw in more monies inside principal to reduce the interest ed sweat.gif
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 21 2025, 11:34 AM)
this is why every month i see bank transaction for my house its damn tiok. i pay RM2.8k/mth, then interest RM2.1k/mth. so basically im only clearing RM700/mth in principal zzzz

thats why my pama back then offered to give me some cash to reduce the principal back then. i need to throw in more monies inside principal to reduce the interest ed  sweat.gif
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Min instalment ✅
Longest tenure ✅
Binggung✅

Win liow lo
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Where got min installment, the installment amount will be same, just the allocation for the principal is higher compare to lower as per current ratio.


secondly, bank can have tongkat for the longest period until when ?
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 21 2025, 11:35 AM)
Take their offer. Pay them interest is better than letting bank shareholders rich
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yeah but i feel damn bad la, like stealing their retirement money so i declined their offer last time. so now i just pay more every month so the principal reduce faster (but obviously not fast enough)
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 21 2025, 11:39 AM)
yeah but i feel damn bad la, like stealing their retirement money so i declined their offer last time. so now i just pay more every month so the principal reduce faster (but obviously not fast enough)
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No one talking about buying 10-20 properties.

But let just take my father example. He bought a double story house for 60k-70k in the 1990s

The houses in my taman now is going for 500k to even 1 mil.

That is a 10x increase in price. But has salary increase x10? I don't think sooo.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 08:42 AM)
Full flexi u can take out money or pay extra whenever u want, no need inform bank in advance.

The way my previous full flexi work is I just dump all my salary into the current account, the balance in current account will offset the loan principal automatically. I can withdraw from this current account any time or any amount as I wish. That way your uninvested money will always work for you to reduce loan interest.

Even when your deposit already fully cover the loan balance, it’s up to you whether u wish to officially clear the loan or just leave it as is (loan still exist but zero interest charged).
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So, example I use full flexi loan and buy a 300k house, I paid 30k dp and just need to have at least 270k in my current account. Then the loan interest will reduce a lot because I basically already have270k and can settle immediately or just leave it as it is?
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QUOTE(FappyBird @ Apr 21 2025, 12:06 PM)
So, example I use full flexi loan and buy a 300k house, I paid 30k dp and just need to have at least 270k in my current account. Then the loan interest will reduce a lot because I basically already have270k and can settle immediately or just leave it as it is?
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Yes, but from what I heard nowadays most banks no longer provide full flexi housing loan. The second best choice would be semi flexi loan (terms may differ among different banks, so must ask or read their terms clearly).
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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Apr 21 2025, 12:04 PM)
I did ask this question to the anti Islamic Bank / anti riba dudes on FB & on TikTok.

i was labelled as kafir/munafiqun because I toyed with what has been written in the Quran.
i asked them: which part is riba if i borrow RM100k then later payback exactly RM100k? But the loan repayment tenure is UP TO ME, for as long I try to fulfill the loan repayment.

TROLOLOLOL.

I really hate these anti riba hyprocytes. The only solution is Islamic Bank but they say it's backdoor riba.  rolleyes.gif 

From which source will bank able to sustain/make profit you ask if borrow RM100k, payback RM100k?

that one I don't care LOL.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 12:12 PM)
Yes, but from what I heard nowadays most banks no longer provide full flexi housing loan. The second best choice would be semi flexi loan (terms may differ among different banks, so must ask or read their terms clearly).
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Currently, mine was semi flexi

I asked my banker and she said this is provided by bank side.

Never asked me if I want what kind loan or what. I also forgot I got ask can change or not but I guess might just settle quickly after 3year limit.
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QUOTE(FappyBird @ Apr 21 2025, 12:17 PM)
Currently, mine was semi flexi

I asked my banker and she said this is provided by bank side.

Never asked me if I want what kind loan or what. I also forgot I got ask can change or not but I guess might just settle quickly after 3year limit.
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U never compare different banks when taking housing loan? If compare sure need to ask for clarification. biggrin.gif

Last time when I get different banks offer, MBB officer said my PBB full flexi not worth it as it charges RM10/month for the facility. But I did my calculations and it’s totally worth it for amount of interest I could save, and ultimately actually saved. Cannot just trust bank officer, they tokok just promote own bank only. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(sykz @ Apr 21 2025, 09:24 AM)
When BLR/interest rate turun, need to apply to decrease interest rate with bank. When naik, bank send you letter stated they will increase the loan repayment.

So everytime you need to apply to decrease in accordance to BLR/interest rate. Is this apply to all loan types?
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no, the BLR up or down is only impacted those flexi or semi flexi loan. the rate will be adjusted by bank automatically but bear in mind that some bank will not do it immediately

there are some old loan typically before 2007 which is term loan that its interest rate is fixed.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 12:38 PM)
U never compare different banks when taking housing loan? If compare sure need to ask for clarification.  biggrin.gif

Last time when I get different banks offer, MBB officer said my PBB full flexi not worth it as it charges RM10/month for the facility. But I did my calculations and it’s totally worth it for amount of interest I could save, and ultimately actually saved. Cannot just trust bank officer, they tokok just promote own bank only. biggrin.gif
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Ohh really??? That's sadding news.
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As I know, it is applicable to most bank.
anyway, please cross check with your bank. they shall provide the details.
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It was all done through poorpety agent
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QUOTE(JasonthegreatTWO @ Apr 21 2025, 07:12 AM)
LOL at the comments.  Say cannot have interest.  Then can buy ASNB and expect untung
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QUOTE(FappyBird @ Apr 21 2025, 12:06 PM)
So, example I use full flexi loan and buy a 300k house, I paid 30k dp and just need to have at least 270k in my current account. Then the loan interest will reduce a lot because I basically already have270k and can settle immediately or just leave it as it is?
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personal opinion is dont settle the flexi loan even have the money to offset the whole loan balance.
the reason to do so is because we not sure when we will need to use that money in future
once u settle the loan, means all the money cannot be used flexibly anymore.

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 21 2025, 11:34 AM)
this is why every month i see bank transaction for my house its damn tiok. i pay RM2.8k/mth, then interest RM2.1k/mth. so basically im only clearing RM700/mth in principal zzzz

thats why my pama back then offered to give me some cash to reduce the principal back then. i need to throw in more monies inside principal to reduce the interest ed  sweat.gif
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if your parents money is placed in bank saving acc or FD which the interest rate is lower than your mortgage rate , then you might consider to use their money to offset the loan balance by paying the interest gap to your parents.

No points to use your parents' money if their money is inside EPF or ASNB etc which have higher interest rate
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Apr 21 2025, 08:31 AM)
bank is just legal ah long
interest cekik darah
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Huh? 4-5% per annum cekik darah? How much is your yearly inflation?
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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 21 2025, 12:54 PM)
if your parents money is placed in bank saving acc or FD which the interest rate is lower than your mortgage rate , then you might consider to use their money to offset the loan balance by paying the interest gap to your parents.

No points to use your parents' money if their money is inside EPF or ASNB etc which have higher interest rate
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its ready to be used, since its just one of the investment returns they closed off recently
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Yeah i get it. So lets find ways to make more money or just use less. Else it would be worst in the future.
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Of course individual should try to make/save more money...

But these kinda trend should be also be controlled by government...

Cannot be always up to individual responsibility

Government is also responsible.

If what the other guy said is true, in the 90s house prices 70k to 100k, in 2000s become 200k, then government has answer why price can x2 in a decade, but salary remain stagnant.

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QUOTE(gamehype @ Apr 21 2025, 01:46 PM)
Of course individual should try to make/save more money...

But these kinda trend should be also be controlled by government...

Cannot be always up to individual responsibility

Government is also responsible.

If what the other guy said is true, in the 90s house prices 70k to 100k, in 2000s become 200k, then government has answer why price can x2 in a decade, but salary remain stagnant.
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I prefer government to regulate and control number of properly launches. No need to regulate interest rate. That one let banks to fight along them
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The golden rule is when u see house price 30k it’s actually 60k
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QUOTE(AgogoLatoto @ Apr 21 2025, 02:14 PM)
The golden rule is when u see house price 30k it’s actually 60k
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For someone that bought RM1mil property and intend to sell after 30 years…you reckon he can sell the old house for >RM2mil? To recoup his “investment”
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 21 2025, 02:11 PM)
I prefer government to regulate and control number of properly launches. No need to regulate interest rate. That one let banks to fight along them
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I want government to control how many units 1 person can own

Remember this book

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I don't know if this guy really had 23 property by 30, but this is what government should control. No one should have 23 property or even 13 property no matter how rich they are. It is these kinda people that drive up our property prices.
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QUOTE(gamehype @ Apr 21 2025, 02:19 PM)
I want government to control how many units 1 person can own

Remember this book

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I don't know if this guy really had 23 property by 30, but this is what government should control. No one should have 23 property or even 13 property no matter how rich they are. It is these kinda people that drive up our property prices.
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This one I disagree. If I have big piece of land and I want to build many houses on it…to house my workers…government shouldn’t regulate that
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For someone that bought RM1mil property and intend to sell after 30 years…you reckon he can sell the old house for >RM2mil? To recoup his “investment”
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After 30 years baru habis bayar? Hell no.
If u finish pay earlier than maybe can cover the loss from interest, make small money from that amt. otherwise, no. Who wanna buy 2mil property?


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QUOTE(gamehype @ Apr 21 2025, 02:19 PM)
I want government to control how many units 1 person can own

Remember this book

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I don't know if this guy really had 23 property by 30, but this is what government should control. No one should have 23 property or even 13 property no matter how rich they are. It is these kinda people that drive up our property prices.
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If gomen introduce inheritance tax, increase property tax. Habis dia

He is smart if make use of the bumi discounts and loans loopholes
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 21 2025, 02:21 PM)
This one I disagree. If I have big piece of land and I want to build many houses on it…to house my workers…government shouldn’t regulate that
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Then he can build worker hostel. Not buy property from open market.

I am very specific here. I am talking about people who buy property from the open market to speculate.

Also. If. If la. Meaning you don't have that big piece of land la brother. Bro, there is no need to argue on behalf of the rich people. They won't fight on your behalf.

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If gomen introduce inheritance tax, increase property tax. Habis dia

He is smart if make use of the bumi discounts and loans loopholes
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just use loophole to avoid inheritance tax easy peasy. This tax is pretty old and many riches edi avoiding it with loopholes
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Aiyoyo if like that they probably push u to the bank with best commission to them instead of best bank offer….
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But well...the house luckily only 100k so yea sadding really

QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 21 2025, 12:47 PM)
personal opinion is dont settle the flexi loan even have the money to offset the whole loan balance.
the reason to do so is because we not sure when we will need to use that money in future
once u settle the loan, means all the money cannot be used flexibly anymore.
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I know, need to calculate the value lo
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If gomen introduce inheritance tax, increase property tax. Habis dia

He is smart if make use of the bumi discounts and loans loopholes
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personal opinion is dont settle the flexi loan even have the money to offset the whole loan balance.
the reason to do so is because we not sure when we will need to use that money in future
once u settle the loan, means all the money cannot be used flexibly anymore.
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Yes, but for some time there were many news of people’s bank account money being stolen.

So when we can settle the loan and still have more than enough for any emergency, then it’s peace of mind to just clear the loan.
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Apr 21 2025, 07:14 AM)
Ehh. Kamu kena bayar bank interest.

Macam pinjam 35k then bayar 35k Kah?
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That’s why full flexi housing loan was best, ayam clear 30yrs loan in 7 years.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 21 2025, 03:42 PM)
not possible anymore , because in your boomer time central bank interest started at 15% and gradually decreasing every year to eventually fed zero percent. now interest rate rising, banks will rugi if they let you redeem early.
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Ayam not boomer lah  biggrin.gif
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I know. but basically worldwide interest rates was decreasing from 80s to 2020. so it was OK for banks to let you redeem early, as their bond portfolio assets would be increasing in price. now that interest rates are going to be same or higher, they wont let ppl redeem old loans early unless you pay a penalty which would basically wipe out any savings you get.

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When you take loan with such and such interest rate, you imagine like buying car where your premium decreased with each payment.

In reality, most of our payment each month goes to the interest part and small percentage goes to the loan principle. After so many years you found out the loan decrement is only very little. I think you just use Islamic banking when you know from day one how much you need to pay. It is like they buy the house first and you agree to buy at selling price and pay the bank gradually.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 03:34 PM)
Yes, but for some time there were many news of people’s bank account money being stolen.

So when we can settle the loan and still have more than enough for any emergency, then it’s peace of mind to just clear the loan.
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I heard of people bank account money kena stolen

Haven't heard of home loan flexi account kena withdrawn or stolen...FYI you need to pay a fee to withdraw
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 21 2025, 05:12 PM)
I heard of people bank account money kena stolen

Haven't heard of home loan flexi account kena withdrawn or stolen...FYI you need to pay a fee to withdraw
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Not with my full flexi, My PBB full flexi is just a current account. No fees needed to move funds. Bank won’t ask any question even if the account is emptied.

Edit: for example, loan balance RM200k, so if I have RM200k in this current account, the outstanding loan principal that will be charged interest is zero. Any money put into this current account will automatically offset loan principal, no need inform bank no matter how we put in or withdraw money.

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I wish I can find a house in kl with that price.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 05:18 PM)
Not with my full flexi, My PBB full flexi is just a current account. No fees needed to move funds. Bank won’t ask any question even if the account is emptied.

Edit: for example, loan balance RM200k, so if I have RM200k in this current account, the outstanding loan principal that will be charged interest is zero. Any money put into this current account will automatically offset loan principal, no need inform bank no matter how we put in or withdraw money.
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Full flexi instead rate better than semi flexi?
If no, go for semi. U will think twice before withdraw since it come with rm50 processing fee
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 21 2025, 04:03 PM)
When you take loan with such and such interest rate, you imagine like buying car where your premium decreased with each payment.

In reality, most of our payment each month goes to the interest part and small percentage goes to the loan principle. After so many years you found out the loan decrement is only very little. I think you just use Islamic banking when you know from day one how much you need to pay. It is like they buy the house first and you agree to buy at selling price and pay the bank gradually.
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Flexi loan provide flexibility compared to fixed loan
Can pay more to reduce principal and withdrawal when needed
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QUOTE(abelyap @ Apr 21 2025, 06:16 PM)
Full flexi instead rate better than semi flexi?
If no, go for semi. U will think twice before withdraw since it come with rm50 processing fee
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Back then I never heard of semi-flexi, only conventional housing loan or full flexi loan from the banks that I applied. sweat.gif

There’s only one fee, RM10/month for this full flexi facility. No other charges, we are free to move money in and out as we like.

Iinm my interest was BLR+1.x% back then.

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 05:26 PM)
Back then I never heard of semi-flexi, only conventional housing loan or full flexi loan from the banks that I applied.  sweat.gif

There’s only one fee, RM10/month for this full flexi facility. No other charges, we are free to move money in and out as we like.

Iinm my interest was BLR+1.x% back then.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 06:26 PM)
Back then I never heard of semi-flexi, only conventional housing loan or full flexi loan from the banks that I applied.  sweat.gif

There’s only one fee, RM10/month for this full flexi facility. No other charges, we are free to move money in and out as we like.

Iinm my interest was BLR+1.x% back then.
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When the loan? Back in 2010 i already use semi flexi under PBB
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Apr 21 2025, 08:31 AM)
bank is just legal ah long
interest cekik darah
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QUOTE(KenM @ Apr 21 2025, 06:28 PM)
my loan was done in 2010, semi flexi…so should have existed before that..
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QUOTE(abelyap @ Apr 21 2025, 06:30 PM)
When the loan? Back in 2010 i already use semi flexi under PBB
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I checked my statement, I took the loan from PBB on 2013. So, it seems they started to offer full flexi by the time I borrowed tongue.gif
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pls keep more bifoti unaware of how bank interests works

my bank stocks dividend will thank them for many years

just received 14k from rhb few days ago.. hnghhhh

now waiting for dividends from other banks (bimb, mbb, cimb)
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I checked my statement, I took the loan from PBB on 2013. So, it seems they started to offer full flexi by the time I borrowed tongue.gif
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I got another loan under PBB in 2023, still hv semi flexi
Full flexi with monthly rm10 does not make sense unless ur saved interest from money moving in out is so much that it cover rm10 fee

Every rm1000 will caused rough 10 cents interest per day
So rm10 mean rm100000 over the 30 days. Average 3k
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QUOTE(abelyap @ Apr 21 2025, 06:40 PM)
I got another loan under PBB in 2023, still hv semi flexi
Full flexi with monthly rm10 does not make sense unless ur saved interest from money moving in out is so much that it cover rm10 fee

Every rm1000 will caused rough 10 cents interest per day
So rm10 mean rm100000 over the 30 days. Average 3k
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QUOTE(abelyap @ Apr 21 2025, 06:40 PM)
I got another loan under PBB in 2023, still hv semi flexi
Full flexi with monthly rm10 does not make sense unless ur saved interest from money moving in out is so much that it cover rm10 fee

Every rm1000 will caused rough 10 cents interest per day
So rm10 mean rm100000 over the 30 days. Average 3k
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RM2.8k x 4.3% = RM120.40

So by having around RM2.8k in the account, that already offset the interest as much. hmm.gif

The flexibility/liquidity that I get over the years, surely I saved much more than that petty Rm120/year.

Edit: without such convenient flexibility, surely u will also keep a few thousand somewhere else like saving account that pay no interest just for normal spending. So why not just keep in this current account and as u can still spend it as u need? wink.gif

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 21 2025, 05:36 PM)
I checked my statement, I took the loan from PBB on 2013. So, it seems they started to offer full flexi by the time I borrowed tongue.gif
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2010, they had full flexibility but business was just starting, didn’t take the risk..
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QUOTE(sihamsedap @ Apr 21 2025, 06:38 PM)
pls keep more bifoti unaware of how bank interests works

my bank stocks dividend will thank them for many years

just received 14k from rhb few days ago.. hnghhhh

now waiting for dividends from other banks (bimb, mbb, cimb)
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The bank should explain to every person that success make a loan.

Doesn’t need complicated but simple write down. That should prevent such idiot b40 from posting stupid thing.
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so far , there were full flexi, semi-flexi and fixed rate mortgage offered in the past. but I believe nowadays, only full flexi and semi-flexi available in the market.

as I know, most of mortgage before 2005 was fixed rate. so, when that time BLR came down due to 2008 US stock crisis, those smart will engage with the bank to lower the rate. else jump ship to other bank which ppl called it refinance

meanwhile, semi-flexi and full flexi become popular after 2006.
typical features of full flexi is no need inform bank regarding money deposit or withdrawal. As a compensation to bank, a monthly fee of RM10 is imposed. For a short period, CIMB offered no fee charges.

for semi-flexi, additional deposit has to trigger bank earlier as advance payment , pre-payment or you name it (different name with different purpose). Same goes to withdrawal. No monthly fee required but bank charge withdrawal fee of RM50 each time. During the market promo, there was some lucky peoples managed to grab bank promo with withdrawal fee of RM25 (unsure any lower fee that time)

in 2015, BLR evolved to BR subsequently again to SBR in 2022. Anyway, actual rate is around 4.3-4.5% currently, depends on many factors like loan amount, tenure , DSR etc.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 10 2023, 03:20 PM)
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Seems, the Rule Of 78 is still being applied by Malaysian banks for long term housing loans. .......

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/ruleof78.asp - Rule of 78: Definition, How Lenders Use It, and Calculation
By CAROLINE BANTON Updated March 06, 2021
Reviewed by THOMAS J. CATALANO

What Is the Rule of 78?

The Rule of 78 is a method used by some lenders to calculate interest charges on a loan. The Rule of 78 requires the borrower to pay a greater portion of interest in the earlier part of a loan cycle, which decreases the potential savings for the borrower in paying off their loan. ...

In 1992, the legislation made this type of financing illegal for loans in the United States with a duration of greater than 61 months. ....

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I think the math checks out no?


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QUOTE(hteekay @ Apr 21 2025, 09:38 AM)
Checks out.

It is frustrating, but Bank Negara and other banks are seriously worst than Arlong when it comes to House Loan, more than half of the loan period are majority you're paying the interests 1st, and because of that, the interests keep piling up because your principal only decrease only a small amount each year.
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My repost above fyi.

Pro-business politics has allowed this "ahlongness" by banks in Malaysia to continue.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 21 2025, 08:21 PM)
The bank should explain to every person that success make a loan.

Doesn’t need complicated but simple write down. That should prevent such idiot b40 from posting stupid thing.
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QUOTE(elloy @ Apr 21 2025, 06:18 PM)
sudah bayar lebih 40 k
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=108293530
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My repost above fyi.

Pro-business politics has allowed this "ahlongness" by banks in Malaysia to continue.
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Nothing wrong with interest levied to amount drawndown. It's daily rest, monthly rest all levied to principal owing.

You don't want incur/ tanggung interest you pare down your principal owing at early stage la.

There is no free money. Bank money drawndown for you is money loan to you, owned by someone. Nothing is free, except gov loan maybe

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Apr 21 2025, 06:17 PM)
Flexi loan provide flexibility compared to fixed loan
Can pay more to reduce principal and withdrawal when needed
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Even the fixed loan also can pay lump sum to reduce loan principle. Not sure about current practice but last time you need to notify bank that you want to pay lump sum off the monthly installment. This will deduct the loan principle.

Flexi loan is something different last time I understood. Say that you paid huge sum to reduce principle but later you run short of money and you can even reduce monthly payment when required. I don't know the detail because never use that kind of facility. biggrin.gif
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The ignorants should at least play this calculator:

https://www.calculator.net/amortization-calculator.html
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With flexi loan account, you can take all FD 3% and put in flexi can save 4.5%… assuming you are not renting the property else will be taxed higher (not worth it)… if own stay then okay … even better make the account your saving account or salary account
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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 22 2025, 08:48 AM)
With flexi loan account, you can take all FD 3% and put in flexi can save 4.5%… assuming you are not renting the property else will be taxed higher (not worth it)… if own stay then okay … even better make the account your saving account or salary account
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Even if FD & home loan interest is the same %, the calculations are different....it is always makes for sense to pay off the home loan as the savings are huge
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 22 2025, 09:16 AM)
Even if FD & home loan interest is the same %, the calculations are different....it is always makes for sense to pay off the home loan as the savings are huge
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Lol, as if opportunities come knocking day and night, end up spent day and night.

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Apr 21 2025, 06:59 AM)
They dont know 70:30.

But suprising withdraw 11k kwsp still left so much balance, he didnt instruct the bank to allocate to pay principle.
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MOST OF THEM dunno about this I tell you

banks purposedly make it difficult for normies

"just follow the instruction " the bank says cool2.gif
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QUOTE(lahart @ Apr 21 2025, 07:16 AM)
Rumah 35k ??
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QUOTE(Ickythump @ Apr 21 2025, 07:20 AM)
what kind of rumah 35k i take 2 pay cash
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all these from 1995 punya . rumah murah under PKNS. you need to be b40, never buy property before in malaysia
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 22 2025, 09:16 AM)
Even if FD & home loan interest is the same %, the calculations are different....it is always makes for sense to pay off the home loan as the savings are huge
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No. Pay off not beneficial. Put money in to reduce interests make sense. Cash flow is important. If got better opportunities can switch instantly. No point to pay off if no benefit.
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Who ask to pay rm200, try RM 2000, or cash buy, RM 35k only.
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all these from 1995 punya . rumah murah under PKNS. you need to be b40, never buy property before in malaysia
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Landed single storey rumah murah which are still standing today, I remember rm40k.

Many renovated, extended 2 sty lol
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Just typical property buyer
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QUOTE(Zot @ Apr 22 2025, 08:40 AM)
Even the fixed loan also can pay lump sum to reduce loan principle. Not sure about current practice but last time you need to notify bank that you want to pay lump sum off the monthly installment. This will deduct the loan principle.

Flexi loan is something different last time I understood. Say that you paid huge sum to reduce principle but later you run short of money and you can even reduce monthly payment when required. I don't know the detail because never use that kind of facility.  biggrin.gif
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Semi:
Withdrawal anytime with 3 days processing + rm50 fee
No need inform bank. So deposit more auto reduce principal

Clear 1st property in 3 years, 2nd in 8 years and 3rd in 9 years
Property loan is cheap loan and value for money. So those complaint about the interest kind of ignorant
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I think this is partly failure of our education system. This housing loan, car loan, credit card loan should be taught in Form 4 school already, to educate people about danger of taking loan without ability to pay.

95% of Malaysians don't know about loan Amortization when they borrow money from bank.

My relatives also ask same question why pay house loan for more than 10 years still got so much money left to pay? and bank smarter ask her to co-loan and refinance until his children need to co-pay. Loan trap for like 30-40 years!!!
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 22 2025, 09:16 AM)
Even if FD & home loan interest is the same %, the calculations are different....it is always makes for sense to pay off the home loan as the savings are huge
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depends

for T5 ,more interest charges better , can deduct in their profit and loss account for their property rental income to reduce income tax.

They also can put that money to generate more than bank interest charges (4.5%) at EPF or stock market dividends. (5-6%)

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Apr 22 2025, 01:59 PM)
I think this is partly failure of our education system. This housing loan, car loan, credit card loan should be taught in Form 4 school already, to educate people about danger of taking loan without ability to pay.

95% of Malaysians don't know about loan Amortization when they borrow money from bank.

My relatives also ask same question why pay house loan for more than 10 years still got so much money left to pay? and bank smarter ask her to co-loan and refinance until his children need to co-pay. Loan trap for like 30-40 years!!!
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Car loan and credit card loan are easy because they're direct calculations. Housing loan are more complicated that it needed to be.. you try ask the bank officer how they calculate, you'll be even more confuse listening to them "explaining" it.
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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 21 2025, 12:41 PM)
no, the BLR up or down is only impacted those flexi or semi flexi loan. the rate will be adjusted by bank automatically but bear in mind that some bank will not do it immediately

there are some old loan typically before 2007 which is term loan that its interest rate is fixed.
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Singapore banks more advance, you can lock your loan interest for few years ahead.... say now interest was low during covid time, you can lock your 2% repayment rate for next few years but it will readjust after the lock period has elapsed.

Not sure why no Malaysia banks offer this
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Apr 21 2025, 06:59 AM)
They dont know 70:30.

But suprising withdraw 11k kwsp still left so much balance, he didnt instruct the bank to allocate to pay principle.
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70:30, you meant account 1 and account 2? Can elaborate what is this 70:30?

QUOTE(p4n6 @ Apr 22 2025, 08:48 AM)
With flexi loan account, you can take all FD 3% and put in flexi can save 4.5%… assuming you are not renting the property else will be taxed higher (not worth it)… if own stay then okay … even better make the account your saving account or salary account
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Why if renting the property, the taxed will be higher? Can elaborate this?
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QUOTE(hteekay @ Apr 22 2025, 02:11 PM)
Car loan and credit card loan are easy because they're direct calculations. Housing loan are more complicated that it needed to be.. you try ask the bank officer how they calculate, you'll be even more confuse listening to them "explaining" it.
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Why if renting the property, the taxed will be higher? Can elaborate this?
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Home loan interest can be deducted from rental income.
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 22 2025, 02:22 PM)
Home loan interest can be deducted from rental income.
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Why do you need to declare rental income?
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Why do you need to declare rental income?
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Same reason as why you need to declare employment income.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Apr 21 2025, 11:06 PM)
QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Oct 10 2023, 03:20 PM)

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Seems, the Rule Of 78 is still being applied by Malaysian banks for long term housing loans. .......

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/ruleof78.asp - Rule of 78: Definition, How Lenders Use It, and Calculation
By CAROLINE BANTON Updated March 06, 2021
Reviewed by THOMAS J. CATALANO

What Is the Rule of 78?

The Rule of 78 is a method used by some lenders to calculate interest charges on a loan. The Rule of 78 requires the borrower to pay a greater portion of interest in the earlier part of a loan cycle, which decreases the potential savings for the borrower in paying off their loan. ...

In 1992, the legislation made this type of financing illegal for loans in the United States with a duration of greater than 61 months. ....

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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=108293530
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My repost above fyi.

Pro-business politics has allowed this "ahlongness" by banks in Malaysia to continue.
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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 22 2025, 08:35 AM)
Nothing wrong with interest levied to amount drawndown. It's daily rest, monthly rest all levied to principal owing.

You don't want incur/ tanggung interest you par down your principal owing at early stage la.

There is no free money. Bank money drawndown for you is money loan to you, owned by someone. Nothing is free, except gov loan maybe
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Since 1992, US banks are prohibited from using Rule 78 for house loans because it is very unfair to house-buyers, eg when they later want to pay off part of their house loan, later refinance their house loan, etc, as shown in the OP.

Hence the "indecent" profits of Malaysian banks = more tax revenue for the government. Eg .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...es-11c-divshare - 2025/feb/26 - Public Bank ends FY24 with higher net profit of RM7.15bil, declares 11c div/share
.... The group said pre-tax profit increased 4.6% year-on-year (y-o-y) to RM8.93bil in FY24. ...
= govt tax = RM8.9 billion - RM7.1 billion = RM1.8 billion = part of it indirectly paid by house-buyers through Rule 78..
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if the rental income is higher than the sum of loan facility interest, maintenance fee, quit rent, assessment, house insurance, house rent out's agent fee etc, then landlord has the obligation to declare as an income to LHDN.
anyway, u know malaysian style la
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QUOTE(@@@@@@@@@@ @ Apr 22 2025, 01:25 PM)
Who ask to pay rm200, try RM 2000, or cash buy, RM 35k only.
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Most house loans given by banks to house-buyers are based on the monthly instalment not > 1/3 of their monthly salary = bank's due diligence. So how to pay RM2,000 if his monthly salary in the kampung (eg Felda) was only about RM800 17 years ago.?
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Apr 22 2025, 02:13 PM)
Singapore banks more advance, you can lock your loan interest for few years ahead.... say now interest was low during covid time, you can lock your 2% repayment rate for next few years but it will readjust after the lock period has elapsed.

Not sure why no Malaysia banks offer this
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different country different business strategy ba
if a bank starts to introduce such offer, other bank might follow, provided this has higher benefit to bank
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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 22 2025, 02:34 PM)
if the rental income is higher than the sum of loan facility interest, maintenance fee, quit rent, assessment, house insurance, house rent out's agent fee etc, then landlord has the obligation to declare as an income to LHDN.
anyway, u know malaysian style la
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If the property is bought cash? Then every single rental is taxed kao2 by gomen?
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If the property is bought cash? Then every single rental is taxed kao2 by gomen?
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Of course, because your "untung bersih" is more already mah haha
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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 22 2025, 02:34 PM)
if the rental income is higher than the sum of loan facility interest, maintenance fee, quit rent, assessment, house insurance, house rent out's agent fee etc, then landlord has the obligation to declare as an income to LHDN.
anyway, u know malaysian style la
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QUOTE(hteekay @ Apr 22 2025, 02:42 PM)
Of course, because your "untung bersih" is more already mah haha
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How does gomen catch owners who don’t declare their rental income?

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How does gomen catch owners who don’t declare their rental income?
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if u are renting out to homeowners , shouldn't be a problem

but if you are renting out to biz owners, by this July , dont think u can dont declare already
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 22 2025, 02:47 PM)
if u are renting out to homeowners , shouldn't be a problem

but if you are renting out to biz owners, by this July , dont think u can dont declare already
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Ok good to hear that.
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Apr 22 2025, 01:59 PM)
I think this is partly failure of our education system. This housing loan, car loan, credit card loan should be taught in Form 4 school already, to educate people about danger of taking loan without ability to pay.

95% of Malaysians don't know about loan Amortization when they borrow money from bank.

My relatives also ask same question why pay house loan for more than 10 years still got so much money left to pay? and bank smarter ask her to co-loan and refinance until his children need to co-pay. Loan trap for like 30-40 years!!!
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about the education system part, do you prefer your citizen become smart if you are the top leading of the nation ?
not talk about the big commitment of house or car loan,
just look at the daily spending behaviour of some low income citizens who buy goods from those 24 hours convenience shops in day time , while 99 speedmart are available anywhere.
the government should educate the citizen, shouldn't it ?

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If the property is bought cash? Then every single rental is taxed kao2 by gomen?
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only those rich but not smart will buy cash
have you see all the super rich buy thing in cash ? they will fully utilize the bank facility

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How does gomen catch owners who don’t declare their rental income?
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Stamped tenancy agreement.
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if u are renting out to homeowners , shouldn't be a problem

but if you are renting out to biz owners, by this July , dont think u can dont declare already
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becoz of e-invoicing implementation ?

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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 22 2025, 02:34 PM)
if the rental income is higher than the sum of loan facility interest, maintenance fee, quit rent, assessment, house insurance, house rent out's agent fee etc, then landlord has the obligation to declare as an income to LHDN.
anyway, u know malaysian style la
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Negative, must also get rebate

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Apr 22 2025, 01:31 PM)
Landed single storey rumah murah which are still standing today, I remember rm40k.

Many renovated, extended 2 sty lol
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those were the days lah. when u need to fork out huge amount for deposit. then interest high like F. 8% and above is a norm

but no 35 years loan lah of course
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becoz of e-invoicing implementation ?
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yea, most business registered company tenant will definitely request from landlord
either way if landlord is privately own or under company or holding, you will need to produce that invoice
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 22 2025, 02:44 PM)
How does gomen catch owners who don’t declare their rental income?
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if you go stamp duty a rental agreement with LHDN to officiate the agreement with your tenant, immediately LHDN will have your name under their system.

so later if you don't declare during filling up income tax eFiling, you will be under their radar.
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 22 2025, 02:53 PM)
Stamped tenancy agreement.
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and also rental payment all will be e-invoiced to all landlord, with that LHDN automatically will know people have rental income.

and during income tax submission, the rental income is left blank ...
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QUOTE(theozis @ Apr 22 2025, 02:53 PM)
only those rich but not smart will buy cash
have you see all the super rich buy thing in cash ? they will fully utilize the bank facility
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LOL. Here are the advantages of buying cash than taking loan - from my past experience

1. Very fast handover - less than 1 month can take key compared to 6 months if taking bank loan. I rent out faster so that 5 months head start is a big win
2. You have better negotiation power - developer allow me to quote my asking price so dare I tekan them lower than market rate
3. Jump queue - I was 3rd in the queue when I register my interest for a unit. When the 1st buyer loan didn't get approve, the developer sell straight to me bypassing the 2nd in-line cos he knows that 2nd buyer also want to take bank loan route
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 22 2025, 03:20 PM)
LOL. Here are the advantages of buying cash than taking loan - from my past experience

1. Very fast handover - less than 1 month can take key compared to 6 months if taking bank loan. I rent out faster so that 5 months head start is a big win
2. You have better negotiation power - developer allow me to quote my asking price so dare I tekan them lower than market rate
3. Jump queue - I was 3rd in the queue when I register my interest for a unit. When the 1st buyer loan didn't get approve, the developer sell straight to me bypassing the 2nd in-line cos he knows that 2nd buyer also want to take bank loan route
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1. this applies to developer purchase with CCC units only
2. currently doesn't quite apply dy especially for Johor Bahru units
3. now lain, u will have 1st priority


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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 22 2025, 02:44 PM)
How does gomen catch owners who don’t declare their rental income?
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Rental Agreements/Contracts by the property owners need to be stamped by the government, in order to have legal effect.
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 22 2025, 03:26 PM)
1. this applies to developer purchase with CCC units only
2. currently doesn't quite apply dy especially for Johor Bahru units
3. now lain, u will have 1st priority
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1. Agree. 2nd hand market probably different dynamics
2. True. Last time can still get referral $$ if I refer buyer to developer. Now property market hot again, no more such referral program
3. Yupe. Any new launches they will invite you first - cos you have good purchase history with them.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 22 2025, 06:04 PM)
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Rental Agreements/Contracts by the property owners need to be stamped by the government, in order to have legal effect.
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I asked a lawyer friend before. Even though it's not stamped by LHDN, the agreement is still legal binding and admissible in court when there's dispute
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A document which is not stamped or insufficiently stamped is not void or unenforceable for that reason alone. However, such document may be rejected as evidence if it is required to be produced before the Court. In that event, the party who wishes to produce the unstamped or insufficiently stamped document will have to pay the stamp duty payable and penalty before such document can be received as evidence.
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QUOTE((otua @ Jun 6 2017, 06:15 PM)
according to Section 52 of the Evidence Act where it states that unless such documents is stamped, evidencewise it is inadmissable

http://lampiran.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/Sta...at_01072014.pdf
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4315455


QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 22 2025, 06:58 PM)
I asked a lawyer friend before. Even though it's not stamped by LHDN, the agreement is still legal binding and admissible in court when there's dispute
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70:30, you meant account 1 and account 2? Can elaborate what is this 70:30?
Why if renting the property, the taxed will be higher? Can elaborate this?
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Maybe other forumer had explain but i didnt go through whole thread, i just answer

Mortgage have the thing call payment allocation.

There are 2 component in mortgage account principle and interest

Principle is the money you borrow
Interest is calculated daily by % per annum * principle balance / 12 month *30 days.

In beginning of the loan, over a month / 30 days, the interest will be high because the principle balance is at 100%, naturally monthly interest is also high.

So payment paid to the mortgage account will use to pay off interest first and remaining balance will paid off principle.

As time goes by, the principle % will drop further and further eventually remaining 10% principle. Then the interest is low, but your monthly payment the same. So more will be allocated to pay principle after deducting lower interest.

General rule is roughly 30:70 when principle is 100%. Meaning out of your total payment, 70% of it goes to pay the interest and 30% pay to the principle. This will reverse overtime near maturity of the mortgage to 90% paying to principle and 10% paying interest.

Full flexi account advantage is people can park their money in flexi account to offset interest charge. The yield is usually higher than fd because mortgage interest rate > fixed deposit.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 22 2025, 07:20 PM)
As one quoted above

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…In that event, the party who wishes to produce the unstamped or insufficiently stamped document will have to pay the stamp duty payable and penalty before such document can be received as evidence.


It won’t be totally inadmissible
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QUOTE((me_1980s @ Jun 6 2017, 06:21 PM)
The agreement is still legit just inadmissible in court. As such, it's your words against his.

Solution: Back stamp it in case you need it in the future. Pay the penalty and collect the penalty upfront from the landlord in case anything happens in the future.
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 22 2025, 08:59 PM)
As one quoted above
It won’t be totally inadmissible
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Another repost from the same link, ie admissable in court only if stamped by LHDN, even if back-stamped and kena pay penalty/fine for late stamping, inclusive of back taxes by the owner if applicable.
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Ok good to hear that.
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What good?hahaha .IRBM have every records of your asset purchased cars land house.. loan agreement etc....practically anything that get stamped..that include your utility bill details.

Let say record shows u have 4 houses..tax time no rental income declared..so they may ask u to explain status of the assets..if u say no one stay then need to explain lo..if they not convince then good luck..u may risk being audit for the past years submission too

Don't ever think to run..even without stamped agreement they know every tricks in the book. True story

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QUOTE(gogocan @ Apr 22 2025, 10:36 PM)
What good?hahaha .IRBM have every records of your asset purchased cars land house.. loan agreement etc....practically anything that get stamped..that include your utility bill details.

Let say record shows u have 4 houses..tax time no rental income declared..so they may ask u to explain status of the assets..if u say no one stay then need to explain lo..if they not convince then good luck..u may risk being audit for the past years submission too

Don't ever think to run..even without stamped agreement they know every tricks in the book. True story
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Also, IINM, any sum >RM25k being moved by bank account holders have to be reported by the bank to Bank Negara, eg money being deposited, withdrawn, transferred, etc.
....... Similarly in USA, it's any sum >US$10k.
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Maybe other forumer had explain but i didnt go through whole thread, i just answer

Mortgage have the thing call payment allocation.

There are 2 component in mortgage account principle and interest

Principle is the money you borrow
Interest is calculated daily by % per annum * principle balance / 12 month *30 days.

In beginning of the loan, over a month / 30 days, the interest will be high because the principle balance is at 100%, naturally monthly interest is also high.

So payment paid to the mortgage account will use to pay off interest first and remaining balance will paid off principle.

As time goes by, the principle % will drop further and further eventually remaining 10% principle. Then the interest is low, but your monthly payment the same. So more will be allocated to pay principle after deducting lower interest.

General rule is roughly 30:70 when principle is 100%. Meaning out of your total payment, 70% of it goes to pay the interest and 30% pay to the principle. This will reverse overtime near maturity of the mortgage to 90% paying to principle and 10% paying interest.

Full flexi account advantage is people can park their money in flexi account to offset interest charge. The yield is usually higher than fd because mortgage interest rate > fixed deposit.
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That’s why full flexi housing loan was best, ayam clear 30yrs loan in 7 years.
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Full settlement like me lagi shiok.

Settle, slowly bayar balik family member, no need even gip fak to those interest la, contract la, breach clause fine la, etc etc.

Buying 1 house for 500k and repay back time 1mil in total is the biggest sohaism ever. It makes sohai and sorhems all because sudah assume that's the life, they go for the most unaffordable unit they can go for.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 23 2025, 12:03 AM)
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Also, IINM, any sum >RM25k being moved by bank account holders have to be reported by the bank to Bank Negara, eg money being deposited, withdrawn, transferred, etc.
....... Similarly in USA, it's any sum >US$10k.
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each transaction rite? not daily accumulates
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Apr 22 2025, 02:14 PM)
70:30, you meant account 1 and account 2? Can elaborate what is this 70:30?
Why if renting the property, the taxed will be higher? Can elaborate this?
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Assume you working class, tax about 20-30% for every penny you earn.

Renting property out minus interest & opex = income which is taxable.

Moving FD 3% to Flexiloan 4.5%, you get 1.5% only extra return.

Pay less interest = pay more principal = more taxable income.

20% - 1.5% = pay 18.5% more if moving money to flexi from FD.

If you can adjust just right no extra income minus cost then no problem.

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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Apr 23 2025, 06:32 AM)
Full settlement like me lagi shiok.

Settle, slowly bayar balik family member, no need even gip fak to those interest la, contract la, breach clause fine la, etc etc.

Buying 1 house for 500k and repay back time 1mil in total is the biggest sohaism ever. It makes sohai and sorhems all because sudah assume that's the life, they go for the most unaffordable unit they can go for.
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So u are calling other ppl who may not have rich family members to finance their house purchase as sohem?

Also, while u save on housing loan interest, ur family members who finance you with zero interest informal loan is the one that lose interest/potential investment income on their cash. Everyone is sohem except you… great blush.gif
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Takyah susah2 pun... if you are prepared to buy a house, just think you are actually buying 2 houses then settle.

35k is 70k... you pay 40800 for 17years now balance 30k...
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 23 2025, 09:55 AM)
So u are calling other ppl who may not have rich family members to finance their house purchase as sohem?

Also, while u save on housing loan interest, ur family members who finance you with zero interest informal loan is the one that lose interest/potential investment income on their cash. Everyone is sohem except you… great  blush.gif
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Relax...the guy actually owns multiple Airbnb property in London

Usually when family members that agree to help finance other family members purchasing large ticket items are doing quite well themselves...
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Relax...the guy actually owns multiple Airbnb property in London

Usually when family members that agree to help finance other family members purchasing large ticket items are doing quite well themselves...
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Everyone else is sohem to him because others don’t have rich family to finance their prop purchase with zero interest. That’s his comment.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 23 2025, 10:24 AM)
Everyone else is sohem to him because others don’t have rich family to finance their prop purchase with zero interest. That’s his comment.
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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Apr 23 2025, 06:32 AM)
Full settlement like me lagi shiok.

Settle, slowly bayar balik family member, no need even gip fak to those interest la, contract la, breach clause fine la, etc etc.

Buying 1 house for 500k and repay back time 1mil in total is the biggest sohaism ever. It makes sohai and sorhems all because sudah assume that's the life, they go for the most unaffordable unit they can go for.
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Not everyone has family members whom millionaire and willingly dump high amount of moneh to your properties unless your family is running underground or scamming business whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Apr 23 2025, 10:29 AM)
Not everyone has family members whom millionaire and willingly dump high amount of moneh to your properties unless your family is running underground or scamming business  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Dirty money need to be laundered first before can start to purchase high ticket items...not easy

Remember there is such thing as old money here. It's common to hear parents/grandparents buy property for their family members
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a lot launderer have money, but hard to purchase property
car, number plate all easy, and those days insurance policy, I think insurance policy now also kena clamp down
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each transaction rite? not daily accumulates
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Yes, eg if we want to deposit RM40k into our bank account, deposit RM20k two times, in order to bypass the mandatory RM25k threshold for notification to Bank Negara by our bank, eg rental proceeds of a factory owner..
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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Apr 23 2025, 06:32 AM)
Full settlement like me lagi shiok.

Settle, slowly bayar balik family member, no need even gip fak to those interest la, contract la, breach clause fine la, etc etc.

Buying 1 house for 500k and repay back time 1mil in total is the biggest sohaism ever. It makes sohai and sorhems all because sudah assume that's the life, they go for the most unaffordable unit they can go for.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 23 2025, 09:55 AM)
So u are calling other ppl who may not have rich family members to finance their house purchase as sohem?

Also, while u save on housing loan interest, ur family members who finance you with zero interest informal loan is the one that lose interest/potential investment income on their cash. Everyone is sohem except you… great  blush.gif
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 23 2025, 10:17 AM)
Relax...the guy actually owns multiple Airbnb property in London

Usually when family members that agree to help finance other family members purchasing large ticket items are doing quite well themselves...
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 23 2025, 10:24 AM)
Everyone else is sohem to him because others don’t have rich family to finance their prop purchase with zero interest. That’s his comment.
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To add, it's always wise for consumers to minimize bank borrowings, the latter of whom are like Ah Longs wrt profit margins, eg if can afford, buy the house in cash and if cannot afford to buy it cash, save more for the house deposit and borrow less, eg 30% deposit:70% loan or 40% deposit:60% loan, ie avoid 10% deposit:90% loan.

For the latter, once committed to the house loan and has already repaid the monthly instalments for a few years (= repaying mostly the interest portion), it is not wise to partially settle the house loan with extra cash, eg EPF withdrawal, annual bonuses, inheritance, etc, ... or to refinance the house loan to get some cash money when house prices have risen substantially. IOW, just continue repaying the house loan and not change anything = "Do not fix what ain't broken.".
....... Better use the extra cash as savings (= no need buy medical insurance) or for self-pampering.

There are people who think they are very smart by buying a first home with maximum bank loan and then a few years later upgrading to buy a bigger home by "trading" in their first home, eg after naik pangkat = salary increase.
....... Similarly for those buying new cars with maximum bank loan and changing to newer cars every 2 to 3 years by trading in.

These foolish people are contributing to the huge annual profits of banks, eg Public Bank's net profit in 2024 is RM7.1 billion.
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P S - For wise people, buying a home is often a once in a life time event. So they wisely wait to "buy the dip" when home prices are at the lower scale, esp during a regional or world recession which had happened in 1985, 1997, 2008, etc.
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QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 23 2025, 01:55 AM)
So u are calling other ppl who may not have rich family members to finance their house purchase as sohem?

Also, while u save on housing loan interest, ur family members who finance you with zero interest informal loan is the one that lose interest/potential investment income on their cash. Everyone is sohem except you… great  blush.gif
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Chill bro, let me redo the reply into a more understandable format.

I might has emphasize on the note Sorhem, because that's what I've seen people always do. My motto is always like this.

If my max loan could let me purchase a 500k flat, I would put 250k to 300k flat as the target, which means I am more than capable enough to support myself in long run, instead of maximizing my loan just to afford something that will strech me to death.

And just like one of the Ktard response, the debate is obviously there. Family member that loan to me is losing their interest, and has no obligation to really loan to me. But his arguement is also correct, that

1. Those that could afford to pinjam is obviously a more well to do family.
2. The beauty of having a CCP partner is their sight on money value is different. They're more open to accept quick settle, less loan and interest involve, kind of solution, compared to the Malaysian's hutang maximus kalau mampui takyah bayar balik attitude.
3. Not everyone (In my case, as I takes my CCP side family as my family, not my entirely rotten AfraidKenaban bloodline) in as investor minded as those sudahlah poorfag, always dream win toto damacai, stingy and full of excuse, day day tmr bank kosong peeps.

Further emphasizing my situation, my pinjam is to establish a business overseas, as in Airbnbs when it was in its peak.

A very sohai math, I boughted a studio for 250+ k pounds here in London back then, and with the fixtures, it cost me 280k in total. My loan was 200k, with 5 years mortage. I'll take the interest aside, but that's a 40k bayar balik bank promise.

Back then, Airbnb has no regulation that max rent is 90 days, max ads tenure online is 180days shit, so I can put the studio out for 365days availability.

My room cost back then is 50quid for normal days, and 99quid for weekend, and when summer, it increases to set price of 149 per night, and 300pounds on bank holidays.

My gross is roughly 1500-2000 per month profit from that at low season, and can say that I am betting just to work things out. But well, fate change from there and my studio in demand, and I move on from cheapo whole studios to expensive studios.
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 23 2025, 12:46 PM)
not easy to purchase cash in Malaysia
a lot launderer have money, but hard to purchase property
car, number plate all easy, and those days insurance policy, I think insurance policy now also kena clamp down
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Interesting. How does one using insurance policy to launder money? Insurance companies no need to do KYC meh?
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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 23 2025, 02:17 AM)
Relax...the guy actually owns multiple Airbnb property in London

Usually when family members that agree to help finance other family members purchasing large ticket items are doing quite well themselves...
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Thanks, and yeah. Just to clarify, its not like im a poorfag, tertiba wanna buy a half mil worth house in the UK so I ask my both side family to pinjam uang so I can avoid the annual loan interest etc. I did plan my things, and did ask and check if they're willing. Only when they're willing i went ahead and do it.

Also, pinjam is pinjam, family pinjam you bit bit interest or zero interest, that's really your own conscience what you're doing. I would be an ingrate and degenerate combo if I pinjam 200k yuan from wife unker, and after a year kasi balik, a 5k angpow also no kasik unker as pocket money. (2.5% interest equivalent) then you had social and attitude and ungrateful problem d.

Don't you think?

QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 23 2025, 02:24 AM)
Everyone else is sohem to him because others don’t have rich family to finance their prop purchase with zero interest. That’s his comment.
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Well, had you ever think that the premises of asking family to thorlong is on the assumption that they got extras to help you, or willing to help even if that money is akin to throw salt into the sea?

You dont need to have a rich family to finance you, you need to have a family that willing to help you achieve something, on the premises of understanding and feels that you not paying the bank interest is better than you gotta give the bank profit.

Personal reputation too.

This is what Malaysian lacks.
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if you loan max and pay just the monthly that sounds about right

bare in mind during this time the interest are not fixed and its variable based on BNM rate
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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Apr 23 2025, 02:29 AM)
Not everyone has family members whom millionaire and willingly dump high amount of moneh to your properties unless your family is running underground or scamming business  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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bukake a little bit mate.

What's dirty money, and what's not? Do you think that your part time 50 hinggit by thorlong people walk their dog is clean money? Do you think your side business profit 500 hinggit a month is clean money just because you lipok LHDN?

Everything is just a POV. And here in the UK, you kasi taruk your tax maximus, trust me, day day transfer 100k pounds from UK back to HK through CCP to bekam RMB also takper, won't cari you pesal.

Just like right now, its honestly time to taruk. Do you know that the rates for 1pound is now around 9.7 to 9.8 rmb? Can you imaginashun how happy I am, for saving the pounds note under my mattress and sofa until now I can cash them up? I menabung these fucking notes for over several years, lipok my tax kaokao just for today.

Simply transfer 1m pound to HSBC hongkong, they'll bekam 9.7m RMB. at most the transaction fees is just several thousand pounds. Purely untung at least 1mil from the difference)

With money, you earn more money. But are they dirty money?

Not really. I pay tax you know? Top bracket leh!

QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 23 2025, 02:32 AM)
Dirty money need to be laundered first before can start to purchase high ticket items...not easy

Remember there is such thing as old money here. It's common to hear parents/grandparents buy property for their family members
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Deswai background is important. And where you money comes, and who you pinjam from, is important.

Mind you, my entire Malaysia bloodline, combined together not even exceed 30k pounds, which is equivalent to almost 150-160k ringgit. (mainly from my parents, and uncle. Mom side all saupei not a cent help)

My waifu side, although her uncle and aunts (waifu parent divorce, she follow mom so she had 4 aunts and 4 uncle in law) weren't any big bawses or educated people, forking out 300-500k yuan is still manageable for them, and she's like the only dotter of the house, hence CCP side thorlong quite a big amount, naik 100k pound.
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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Apr 23 2025, 08:30 PM)
Chill bro, let me redo the reply into a more understandable format.

If my max loan could let me purchase a 500k flat, I would put 250k to 300k flat as the target, which means I am more than capable enough to support myself in long run, instead of maximizing my loan just to afford something that will strech me to death.


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bro can introduce 250-300k property in kl?

edit - that is comparable to a 500k shoebox?



This post has been edited by wanted111who: Apr 23 2025, 08:57 PM
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Assume you working class, tax about 20-30% for every penny you earn.

Renting property out minus interest & opex = income which is taxable.

Moving FD 3% to Flexiloan 4.5%, you get 1.5% only extra return.

Pay less interest = pay more principal = more taxable income.

20% - 1.5% = pay 18.5% more if moving money to flexi from FD.

If you can adjust just right no extra income minus cost then no problem.
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our Mortgage Loan is part of the tax relief for efilling? Otherwise, our income will still be tax 20-30%, and now if we declare rental income, meaning it shall tax more right? So shall be 20% + depending on which income tax bracket = the final taxed percentage. Or I am not getting you?
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some people memang gila punya. like no loan they'll die.
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ Apr 23 2025, 12:55 PM)
bro can introduce 250-300k property in kl?

edit - that is comparable to a 500k shoebox?
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example bro, example.

Furthermore, set the price aside, if you need to stretch only can afford a 500k prop, and there's no lower in kl, for example, don't you think thats the sign that indicates you to keluar and look outside kl?

Even the gwailou here in the uk, some of them work in London daily but took train from brighton go and forth, because props in brighton is 200k pounds, like 1/3 of Londonistan.

Also, dun tell me transport here is gooding, life different, excuses sort. If one is saupei bifotis, live like a bifotis, not terperasan half a bifotis.
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Apr 23 2025, 09:00 PM)
our Mortgage Loan is part of the tax relief for efilling? Otherwise, our income will still be tax 20-30%, and now if we declare rental income, meaning it shall tax more right? So shall be 20% + depending on which income tax bracket = the final taxed percentage. Or I am not getting you?
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Your taxable remtal income = rental income - all costs inc bank interest

Unless you raise the tax bracket after including rental income, total tax percentage wise shall remain the same i.e. 250k and 300k are on same tax braxket.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Apr 23 2025, 01:35 PM)
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To add, it's always wise for consumers to minimize bank borrowings, the latter of whom are like Ah Longs wrt profit margins, eg if can afford, buy the house in cash and if cannot afford to buy it cash, save more for the house deposit and borrow less, eg 30% deposit:70% loan or 40% deposit:60% loan, ie avoid 10% deposit:90% loan.

For the latter, once committed to the house loan and has already repaid the monthly instalments for a few years (= repaying mostly the interest portion), it is not wise to partially settle the house loan with extra cash, eg EPF withdrawal, annual bonuses, inheritance, etc, ... or to refinance the house loan to get some cash money when house prices have risen substantially. IOW, just continue repaying the house loan and not change anything = "Do not fix what ain't broken.".
....... Better use the extra cash as savings (= no need buy medical insurance) or for self-pampering.

There are people who think they are very smart by buying a first home with maximum bank loan and then a few years later upgrading to buy a bigger home by "trading" in their first home, eg after naik pangkat = salary increase.
....... Similarly for those  buying new cars with maximum  bank loan and changing to newer cars every 2 to 3 years by trading in.

These foolish people are contributing to the huge annual profits of banks, eg Public Bank's net profit in 2024 is RM7.1 billion.
.
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P S - For wise people, buying a home is often a once in a life time event. So they wisely wait to "buy the dip" when home prices are at the lower scale, esp during a regional or world recession which had happened in 1985, 1997, 2008, etc.
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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Apr 23 2025, 08:30 PM)
Chill bro, let me redo the reply into a more understandable format.

I might has emphasize on the note Sorhem, because that's what I've seen people always do. My motto is always like this.

If my max loan could let me purchase a 500k flat, I would put 250k to 300k flat as the target, which means I am more than capable enough to support myself in long run, instead of maximizing my loan just to afford something that will strech me to death.

And just like one of the Ktard response, the debate is obviously there. Family member that loan to me is losing their interest, and has no obligation to really loan to me. But his arguement is also correct, that

1. Those  that could afford to pinjam is obviously a more well to do family.
2. The beauty of having a CCP partner is their sight on money value is different. They're more open to accept quick settle, less loan and interest involve, kind of solution, compared to the Malaysian's hutang maximus kalau mampui takyah bayar balik attitude.
3. Not everyone (In my case, as I takes my CCP side family as my family, not my entirely rotten AfraidKenaban bloodline) in as investor minded as those sudahlah poorfag, always dream win toto damacai, stingy and full of excuse, day day tmr bank kosong peeps.

Further emphasizing my situation, my pinjam is to establish a business overseas, as in Airbnbs when it was in its peak.

A very sohai math, I boughted a studio for 250+ k pounds here in London back then, and with the fixtures, it cost me 280k in total. My loan was 200k, with 5 years mortage. I'll take the interest aside, but that's a 40k bayar balik bank promise.

Back then, Airbnb has no regulation that max rent is 90 days, max ads tenure online is 180days shit, so I can put the studio out for 365days availability.

My room cost back then is 50quid for normal days, and 99quid for weekend, and when summer, it increases to set price of 149 per night, and 300pounds on bank holidays.

My gross is roughly 1500-2000 per month profit from that at low season, and can say that I am betting just to work things out. But well, fate change from there and my studio in demand, and I move on from cheapo whole studios to expensive studios.
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agree on the above two posts.

that is why IF you cannot put 30% DP for your house, it means you CANNOT afford it. Worse are those who have 0% DP and feel so happy about it.

so if you want to buy a 500k house, make sure you have saved at least 150k for it.

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bro can introduce 250-300k property in kl?

edit - that is comparable to a 500k shoebox?
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plenty. even cyberjaya has 170k lelong for a 800 sqft apartment.

plenty around and price will be cheaper than 250k...
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plenty. even cyberjaya has 170k lelong for a 800 sqft apartment.

plenty around and price will be cheaper than 250k...
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Malaysian: Where got cheap house in KL?

Also Malaysian: Who stay jaibajaya? Sohai la stay there.

Also another Malaysian: Which sorhem ride public transport to work in KL?

Also another another Malaysian: I keluar coz i cannot tahan sardin with people in KL.

Haih....

Malaysian. Excuse berlambaks, duit taraks. no money die die wanna go out. go out no car die die must buy kancil, got kancil no face die die godcar vios. got godcar vios die die wan cibik. rinse repeat, all sorhai.
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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 23 2025, 10:58 PM)
agree on the above two posts.

that is why IF you cannot put 30% DP for your house, it means you CANNOT afford it. Worse are those who have 0% DP and feel so happy about it.

so if you want to buy a 500k house, make sure you have saved at least 150k for it.
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meanwhile, some kawanks of mine also in airbnb business and rentals lcly they got over 50 props in portfolio, all rented out la, this and that, but if two three unit no tenant sudah cry fademader how to cover. Almost 90% of their shits still in loan tenure.

Also in meantime while they're on the above deepshit, got muka laugh at me say who sorhai go pay settle the prop and has no tenant also still can smile.

Dei... You got tenant also need month month pinjam uang to pay bank. My case is no tenant for half year also i no need pay any sorhem. Who happier?
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QUOTE(AfraidIGotBan @ Apr 24 2025, 08:15 AM)
meanwhile, some kawanks of mine also in airbnb business and rentals lcly they got over 50 props in portfolio, all rented out la, this and that, but if two three unit no tenant sudah cry fademader how to cover. Almost 90% of their shits still in loan tenure.

Also in meantime while they're on the above deepshit, got muka laugh at me say who sorhai go pay settle the prop and has no tenant also still can smile.

Dei... You got tenant also need month month pinjam uang to pay bank. My case is no tenant for half year also i no need pay any sorhem. Who happier?
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Is there a cycle of non-peak with Airbnb in London?
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That’s why full flexi housing loan was best, ayam clear 30yrs loan in 7 years.
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Your taxable remtal income = rental income - all costs inc bank interest

Unless you raise the tax bracket after including rental income, total tax percentage wise shall remain the same i.e. 250k and 300k are on same tax braxket.
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I see. Make sense. Thank you boss
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Malay anti interest rate. Haram to charge any when borrow, use on personal matters, and pay back period is long at 30 years or more. Free money. Bank adjust a little therefore, Islamic loan.

Borrower think they can outsmart a bank. Lol

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Hi sifu's2,

If want to declare LHDN rental income, need to key in full amount of rental or nett rental (rental - mortgage - maintenance fees - other cost related to the property?

let say,
rental rm1500
mortgage - rm1000
maintenance fee - rm150

amount need to be declared, rm1500-rm1150 = rm350 monthly kan?

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QUOTE(BRUNO75 @ Apr 24 2025, 11:19 AM)
Hi sifu's2,

If want to declare LHDN rental income, need to key in full amount of rental or nett rental (rental - mortgage - maintenance fees - other cost related to the property?

let say,
rental rm1500
mortgage - rm1000
maintenance fee - rm150

amount need to be declared, rm1500-rm1150 = rm350 monthly kan?
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just nett after all minus out, just make sure u got the spreadsheet ready if you kena audit on how you get that figure nett

others fee you can minus out are, quit rent, assessment, insurance
mortgage part can only minus out the interest, not the sum you are paying to the bank

knwong those days the insurance policy can pay in cash, and they pay it off one shot , with extra discounts and what not, few years later up to them to surrender or not
especially those investment link insurance policy
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Is there a cycle of non-peak with Airbnb in London?
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there's plenty of limitation, hence i ported out, operating sendiri with own sites etc. if rely on airbnb cannot cari makan jor. but i got that big air coz i got close to 50 studios in my portfolio to lcly. if not i still have to rely on that shit site.
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 24 2025, 11:38 AM)
just nett after all minus out, just make sure u got the spreadsheet ready if you kena audit on how you get that figure nett

others fee you can minus out are, quit rent, assessment, insurance
mortgage part can only minus out the interest, not the sum you are paying to the bank

knwong those days the insurance policy can pay in cash, and they pay it off one shot , with extra discounts and what not, few years later up to them to surrender or not
especially those investment link insurance policy
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okay faham,,just completed my tax submission..Terima kasih tuan for your sharing
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what house 35k

already cheap AF wanna complain, cheaper than a perodua axia lmao
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 24 2025, 11:38 AM)
just nett after all minus out, just make sure u got the spreadsheet ready if you kena audit on how you get that figure nett

others fee you can minus out are, quit rent, assessment, insurance
mortgage part can only minus out the interest, not the sum you are paying to the bank

knwong those days the insurance policy can pay in cash, and they pay it off one shot , with extra discounts and what not, few years later up to them to surrender or not
especially those investment link insurance policy
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I would have thought if one wants to launder money it needs to be launder fast. Put in insurance and surrender/withdraw at loss few years later doesn’t sound efficient
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post Apr 30 2025, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 30 2025, 12:53 PM)
I would have thought if one wants to launder money it needs to be launder fast. Put in insurance and surrender/withdraw at loss few years later doesn’t sound efficient
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these ppl have too much to launder hahahah
no need fast, as long other party accept cash, anything goes

 

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