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Raddus
post Apr 2 2025, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(Iconia18 @ Apr 2 2025, 09:41 AM)
Not as simple as that. Its probably a rigid straight line carbon steel pipeline coated with other linings. So the weak point will not be exactly on the pressure applied side. It can be nearby pipe joints which is typically the weak part of the connection.

Basically u move pipe 100 meter away pun the whole pipe section can move.

If its water pipe then its ok for small leak at the joints. But gas pipeline is a big no no.
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saw some drone image, the gas pipeline is actually sticking out of the ground where the crater is

somehow the pipe just snap in half

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post Apr 2 2025, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Apr 2 2025, 10:36 AM)
problem is this case the digging did by some small time contractor with little knowledge working
on high risk area, their method of digging must like when your excavator bucket hit something, that's the max point of the digging
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A long fully operational pipeline is very heavy and need structural supports along the way.
Not referring to this pipeline in particular, but if a support is disturbed or shifted due to soil movement (tremors ke, soil erosion ke) or a pipe itself kena mechanical shocks, it places big mechanical stress on the piping, and the weakest point, especially welded joints might give way.
My 2 sen opinion jer.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:06 AM)
this pipeline carry the processed gas, so H2S isn't a concern  I think

unless there is line carrying raw gas from production platform then there is risk of H2S

but anyhow, majlis is still damn sohai kebal bodo for approving this
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Sometimes it depends on sale spec. Because its hard to reduce h2s until below 5 ppm. For utilization by industry the small h2s will just burn into sulfur dioxide a anyway. So they can accept that.

But still like you said. Its questionable approving residential area within couple of meters from gas line.

I even saw road already built crossing the line? If that is true thats even more irresponsible.


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post Apr 2 2025, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:40 AM)
even it is pipe rupture, you still need an ignition source. natural gas don't auto ignite at ambient temperature

so it is a vapor cloud explosion, the nearby house should be the ignition source.
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It's always vapour cloud that ignites. You throw a lighted match in a bucket of diesel and the match probably just dies off. Heat up the diesel to generate enough fumesand it may be a different story.

I've mentioned about its high auto ignition temperature and the need for an ignition source.

My theory is the leaks cause gas to acculumate, and the gas travelled until it caught a source of ignition. In a housing estate, there aren't many intrinsically safe devices being used, so it can easily find a source of ignition. A TNB meter? Anything.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Medusakia @ Apr 2 2025, 08:41 AM)
Bila tengok video ni. 1 yang aku terfikir... lepas tengok pulak tempat kejadian selepas kebakaran. Mana agaknya mesen2 dan pekerja2 ni. Adakah api terlalu panas sampai depa pun jadi abu? Ke diorang dah tau gas bocor jadi depa dah lari siap siap?

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post Apr 2 2025, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Apr 2 2025, 10:50 AM)
It's always vapour cloud that ignites. You throw a lighted match in a bucket of diesel and the match probably just dies off. Heat up the diesel to generate enough fumesand it may be a different story.

I've mentioned about its high auto ignition temperature and the need for an ignition source.

My theory is the leaks cause gas to acculumate, and the gas travelled until it caught a source of ignition. In a housing estate, there aren't many intrinsically safe devices being used, so it can easily find a source of ignition. A TNB meter? Anything.
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a burning incense, a hot engine surface and etc

thousand of potential spark point in a residential area.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:52 AM)
a burning incense, a hot engine surface and etc

thousand of potential spark point in a residential area.
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Bingo.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:55 AM

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Do we know already which company that fuck up and who gave them permission? Kamon /k.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:52 AM)
a burning incense, a hot engine surface and etc

thousand of potential spark point in a residential area.
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cigarette bud. owai..
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:36 AM)
usually gas company will put additive, ayam forget the name, but it smell really terrible so that people will notice the leak
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If you are talking about smell detection, yeah sure you can 'detect' a leak if you are there or the wind blows your direction, the concentration is sufficient, etc. So you can report it to authorities (BOMBA).

But the operators monitoring the pipe flows will not detect the 'neglegible' leaks. It is 'accepted' there will be leaks, whether it is 'harmless' or not, etc before a decision is made to shut the pipes down for maintenance.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(brkli @ Apr 2 2025, 10:56 AM)
cigarette bud. owai..
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if it is a cigarette when dude was chilling outside, dude need year of stay in ICU if not KO on the spot
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Apr 2 2025, 10:34 AM)
Small leaks are hard to detect. Especially for high capacity, high pressure gas.

The leak rate can be discounted as an error of calibration.

100t/h flowrate at 50barg, you won't notice 50kg/h leaks.
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I dono la... If even you can come out thing like that then i dont think a million or billion dollar industry wont just dont care about it and never find a solution for this. Gas pipe line is not new also and it is not something that can be taken lightly for its safety. Even a small leakage can cause explosion and fatality. I pretty sure these industries know how important to detect early leakage big or small.

Korek then leak then boom terus this 1 i can understand la... korek then leak then boom 1 or 2 days later really susah to make sense. But still i can't say i am right also la... Better wait report out see la...
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:40 AM)
even it is pipe rupture, you still need an ignition source. natural gas don't auto ignite at ambient temperature

so it is a vapor cloud explosion, the nearby house should be the ignition source.
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back hoe operated korek korek while smoking cigarette lo.....

typical construction site behaviour, brought into oil and gas environment
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Apr 2 2025, 11:03 AM)
back hoe operated korek korek while smoking cigarette lo.....

typical construction site behaviour, brought into oil and gas environment
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Actually has anyone bothered to chekc if they have a missing backhoe and foreign worker who hasn't checked in.....
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Apr 2 2025, 11:05 AM)
Actually has anyone bothered to chekc if they have a missing backhoe and foreign worker who hasn't checked in.....
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dude probably already check and now in thailand chilling
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(kevintth @ Apr 2 2025, 08:50 AM)
I thought they already put so many AWAS signboards on the grass, yet people still go and dig around it?
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You never play minesweeper?

Those with flag are the danger area, you just have to dig around area without flag confirm safe cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Apr 2 2025, 10:43 AM)
saw some drone image, the gas pipeline is actually sticking out of the ground where the crater is

somehow the pipe just snap in half

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Interesting pic, but we dont know if that is the gas pipe or some other pipe beside the gas pipe. There might be more than 1 pipe running the same route.

For now, we can speculate but can't be sure until more details are out.
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Apr 2 2025, 11:03 AM)
back hoe operated korek korek while smoking cigarette lo.....

typical construction site behaviour, brought into oil and gas environment
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Dey, the backhoe's diesel engine is already a source of ignition.
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QUOTE(Iconia18 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:47 AM)
Sometimes it depends on sale spec. Because its hard to reduce h2s until below 5 ppm. For utilization by industry the small h2s will just burn into sulfur dioxide a anyway. So they can accept that.

But still like you said. Its questionable approving residential area within couple of meters from gas line.

I even saw road already built crossing the line? If that is true thats even more irresponsible.
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There are many residential neighbourhoods built like this.
All the way from Subang to Kota Kemuning to Klang.

Heck, I can even tell you how these lines cross the road in some places.
Heck, there's one underneath Kesas itself.
Heck, how do you think it is tapped into factories for consumption?

It is not questionable for this practice, it is the practical way.
Got exclusion zone already.
Exclusion zone is taken cared of. no trees no big roots etc. no piling inside.
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 11:05 AM)
dude probably already check and now in thailand chilling
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Salah.

The backhoe and bangala already to the moon already brows.gif

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