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mushigen
post Apr 2 2025, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Apr 2 2025, 10:08 AM)
This is not BLEVE which is Boiling Liquid Expansion Vapor Explosion.

BLEVE is only for liquid containers that is heated to a point that the vapors contained within suddenly expands outwards when the containement failed and the expanded vapor ignited.

Something like your tong gas which is liquidfied gas, you put fire outside until the heated tong vaporised all the liquid inside, causing high pressure. Then the tong cracked under intense heat and pressure, the resulting vapor released is what is called a BLEVE.

This is a pressurised gas line rupture, and the gas ignited. There was no fire before the rupture, else we can see smoke everywhere before the explosion.

Based on the still standing building beside the site of release that is not black in color, there was no large release of gas before ignition, or else everything around it will be caught in the explosion and either burned or shatter.

Thus I will conclude it is a pipe rupture, gas sudden released and subsequent ignition of the fuel/air rich mixture. Thus is my amateur conclusion.
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Fully agree with your BLEVE theory. You need a surrounding fire to cause BLEVE too. There was no report of a fire prior to the main fire, and that was a live pipeline which means rupture from overpressuing was unlikely as there must be an alarm and relief system for the line.

I'm scratching my head looking for the source of ignition. NG has very high auto ignition temperature way above the temperature at which NG is stored or transported in the pipeline. Maybe the invisible gas cloud had travelled outside of the leaking point and caught a source of ignition.

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post Apr 2 2025, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:36 AM)
usually gas company will put additive, ayam forget the name, but it smell really terrible so that people will notice the leak
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Mercaptans.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(pinamorita @ Apr 2 2025, 10:36 AM)
problem is this case the digging did by some small time contractor with little knowledge working
on high risk area, their method of digging must like when your excavator bucket hit something, that's the max point of the digging
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A long fully operational pipeline is very heavy and need structural supports along the way.
Not referring to this pipeline in particular, but if a support is disturbed or shifted due to soil movement (tremors ke, soil erosion ke) or a pipe itself kena mechanical shocks, it places big mechanical stress on the piping, and the weakest point, especially welded joints might give way.
My 2 sen opinion jer.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:40 AM)
even it is pipe rupture, you still need an ignition source. natural gas don't auto ignite at ambient temperature

so it is a vapor cloud explosion, the nearby house should be the ignition source.
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It's always vapour cloud that ignites. You throw a lighted match in a bucket of diesel and the match probably just dies off. Heat up the diesel to generate enough fumesand it may be a different story.

I've mentioned about its high auto ignition temperature and the need for an ignition source.

My theory is the leaks cause gas to acculumate, and the gas travelled until it caught a source of ignition. In a housing estate, there aren't many intrinsically safe devices being used, so it can easily find a source of ignition. A TNB meter? Anything.
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post Apr 2 2025, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 2 2025, 10:52 AM)
a burning incense, a hot engine surface and etc

thousand of potential spark point in a residential area.
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Bingo.
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Apr 2 2025, 11:03 AM)
back hoe operated korek korek while smoking cigarette lo.....

typical construction site behaviour, brought into oil and gas environment
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Dey, the backhoe's diesel engine is already a source of ignition.
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Apr 2 2025, 10:56 AM)
If you are talking about smell detection, yeah sure you can 'detect' a leak if you are there or the wind blows your direction, the concentration is sufficient, etc. So you can report it to authorities (BOMBA).

But the operators monitoring the pipe flows will not detect the 'neglegible' leaks. It is 'accepted' there will be leaks, whether it is 'harmless' or not, etc before a decision is made to shut the pipes down for maintenance.
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If the leak is downstream of flow meter, the flow won't change. If big leak, flow may even increase and the control valve will act to compensate.

If leak is upstream of flow meter, reading may momentarily drop but may be compensated by control valves movement.
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Apr 2 2025, 11:44 AM)
Yes, this is true.

However normally supplier and client have their own flowmeters, and also designated flow for each client.

So for instance in this case, client will experience sudden drop in pressure and flow, will attempt to compensate and will probably call the supplier to ask wtf going on.

Supplier will experience a sudden high flow and drop in pressure. Their own controls will compensate and reduce the flow and to build up pressure. They will check if any client is pulling too much.

At this point, if the bomba havent called them yet, they would have to quickly deduce that they might have a pipe burst somewhere and shut their valves and follow their emergency procedure.

However, this is only for large leaks relative to the normal flows. If they are only supplying 100kg/h, even a 10kg/h leak is considered big. If the suppliers are pushing 100t/h flows, 50kg/h leaks might not be noticeable and will be compensated by AUTO controls.
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Yup, 50kg per hour loss is usually not detectable by operator.
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post Apr 2 2025, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(FreedomSeeker @ Apr 2 2025, 11:01 AM)
I dono la... If even you can come out thing like that then i dont think a million or billion dollar industry wont just dont care about it and never find a solution for this. Gas pipe line is not new also and it is not something that can be taken lightly for its safety. Even a small leakage can cause explosion and fatality. I pretty sure these industries know how important to detect early leakage big or small.

Korek then leak then boom terus this 1 i can understand la... korek then leak then boom 1 or 2 days later really susah to make sense. But still i can't say i am right also la... Better wait report out see la...
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Korek then boom days later is not something unusual. If a pipeline suffers cracks, they can get worse over time due to pressure and vibration from the flow.

Meanwhile, hydrocarbons leak out and accumulate. If it's LPG, it should explode earlier as LPG is heavier than air and will accumulate at low points (harder for wind to disperse). If gas, may take a while as it's lighter and doesn't accumulate as easily as lpg. All it needs is to reach above lower explosive limit and a source of ignition.

 

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