Wow, the anti-Dota crowd seems to be in full force here (as usual)

1. Replace the word "MAP" with "MOD" and you effectively ruled out CS as well.

4. CS used real-life gun names without permission (Hence the reason the retail version had them changed), and they were still allowed for use in tourneys.

Like I said in the thread in the Warcraft 3 forum, CS is still the exception to the rule that Mods don't do well on the international stage due to lack of support.

Again, lots of ppl who played CS competitively during its heyday last time didn't have ori or even a copy at home for that matter.

I find your statement funny, because if you replace "DOTA" with "Starcraft" and "Malaysian" with "Korean", your statement actually insults the most profitable gaming nation in the world.

Now, I don't agree that we should all be like the Koreans who still think its 1998, but it certainly isn't the pessimistic "stagnant" picture you paint us to have.

That's right, just dismiss a mod because its a mod. Its nice to know that modders are only capable of making ornate versions of Musical Chairs in your eyes.


I'm tempted to just ban the lot of you for a week for constantly doing this everytime this subject pops up (The anti-dota forumers i mean).

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Added on November 26, 2007, 2:36 pmBased on your reasoning, let's look at FIFA 08. Last I checked, in football, you only played on one field (aka the "map"). Am I to believe that FIFA is less of a game than CS now?

This post has been edited by H@H@: Nov 26 2007, 02:36 PM

1. Doesn't change the fact that its a mod that has a following. CS's popularity may be a freak aversion in this case, but that's no reason to write it off.

4. Well you brought up the whole copyright issue. I was just saying that, for mods, its rarely an issue.


Having an original copy never was and will never be a requirement to participate in a tournament.


And this anti-Dota movement brings up the same old arguments over and over again. Its just a map; Its killing the local gaming community; Its not a game; Dotards are llamas, etc. This is bordering on trolling since its constantly being repeated (Most of which is laced with malice). You guys don't like the game (We get it), but you bring that to a whole new level of hate.

Also, this is to prevent stupid flame wars from erupting because of such posts. More often than not, its the anti-Dota crowd that throws the first rock.

The pro/anti Dota crowd have shown that they both can't coexist together, therefore any discussions have been disallowed. Not my fault that some of you can't seem to discuss this in a peaceful manner.

News flash, in the world of pro-gaming, its all about focusing on one game and ignoring the rest. That's just how it works.

In order for someone to be good in something, they have to focus solely on that one thing and nothing else. This takes months to pull off as well. How many "pro-gamers" out there you know who actively take part in multiple games simultaneously? Its either "He's a CS pro-gamer", a "Starcraft pro" or "FIFA champion"... Nowhere do you ever hear stuff like "FPS pro" or "Super Uber in every-game Pro"

That is the nature of this business.


Again, you guys are bringing up the "Dota is killing other games" argument and really now... Its getting old.

Dota being a pro game has nothing to do with killing off other games. Starcraft has dominated the Pro scene in Korea and they still have a very healthy MMO population.
Dota being the only game installed in a cafe isn't an absolute. There are plenty of cafes who stock other games.
Dota being famous doesn't suddenly make every other game irrelevant. If someone only focuses on Dota, what makes you think they'll suddenly be interested in other games if Dota ceases to exist?
Dota doesn't steal potential gamers from other games. With the amount of hate you guys have for Dota players, why the hell do you even want them to partake in the games you play?
Dota didn't kill your mum.
Dota didn't drown your dog.
Dota isn't the root of all evil.

Get over it.

You know, its funny how you're using a red herring to justify your statements.

Let's put it this way, why would there be a correlation between the lack of participation in Dawn of War tournaments due to Dota? Let me point out a few flaws in that connection you made:
1) Dota and DoW are not even in the same genre. What makes you think the disappearance of DotA will suddenly cause them to turn to DoW instead? Also, one key argument made by anti-Dota pundits is that said DotA players are too crap to play RTS' so that pretty much bolsters my point.
2) Lack of participation in a DoW tournament just means a lack of DoW players. Saying, "Dota's stealing them" is like Jack Thompson saying "GTA is increasing gun crimes among the youth!" This is what is known as a strawman argument. Making something out of something not relevant.

Look, I know you love DoW to death and hence hate Dota to the core, but that's what happens when you live in a country where the "gaming" population follows the trend more than what they really like. The only thing we can do is move on. Blaming the "pretty boy who gets all the girls" game isn't going to do any good.


All I have to say is, you guys need to stick to one line of argument. Either say:
a) Dota players are nubs who can't handle a real man's game like an RTS
or
b) A lot of Dota players are actually "stolen" from the RTS genre due to popularity

Using both just invalidates your whole case.

Had a really rough day today... and what do I come back to?

Very interesting point and something I've been trying to downplay for a long time.

This is why I don't really get that "into" competitive gaming... Its not worth it. I'll just be busy playing games for fun


Anyway, guys, can you please stop bringing up "Dota is not a game" arguments. Seriously, if you want to argue why Dota isn't suitable for tournaments and whatnot, argue about its gameplay elements or balance issues... Not just dismiss it solely over the fact that it requires another game to run.

Because that's like you saying "Mods aren't games and are lame"... And there's nothing I hate more than anti-mod bigotry.

So, I'll let this continue even with all the "My game can beat your game in a punch up fight" discussions but anymore talks on "Dota is just a custom map" and prepare yourself for the banhammer. You want to talk about that, take it to a new thread.