.... Since the estimated price of a battery is $80/kWh or RM377.56/kWh in 2030, we will use it to compare the average yearly cost over 7 years between the BYD Atto 3, BYD Seal, Chery Omoda E5, GMW Ora Good Cat and the Tesla Model 3 with a full battery replacement. ...
In Thailand, the (refurbished) battery replacement cost for BYD Atto 3 Standard is about RM40k. .......
Car models that are most compared against BYD Seal are BYD Seal, Mazda 6, Mazda 3 Sedan, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Corolla GR Sport and Tesla Model 3. These 6 model are top BYD Seal alternatives in terms of price, performance, features, engine, economy, dimensions, safaty & security.
Degraded 70% battery... Have minimum value of usd5k.
Up to you to adjust the numbers or replace with relevant numbers in 8 years.
Yeah. I take it as similar as the need to overhaul an engine after 8 years of use. Probably lose some FC at that point, a bit louder etc2. Probably not necessary since most people can live with the decrease in performance.
Yeah. I take it as similar as the need to overhaul an engine after 8 years of use. Probably lose some FC at that point, a bit louder etc2. Probably not necessary since most people can live with the decrease in performance.
If we get jackpot. Basically it drops to 65% before 8years... Than a free 100% is swapped? Or they just swap a 70% for you. Lulz.
Do you even need to replace battery after 8 years?
my 7 years old honda city hybrid idcd battery still running fine, although the max range I got decreased like ~1-2% per year LOL
so i think hybrid/EV battery would last pretty much > 8 years. Maybe reach ~20th year then battery health will be like <70% already. but it's still drivable though with less max range compare to Year 1.
Yeah. I take it as similar as the need to overhaul an engine after 8 years of use. Probably lose some FC at that point, a bit louder etc2. Probably not necessary since most people can live with the decrease in performance.
The overhaul process involves various complex procedures and mechanical work. This is because each engine problem requires different methods and solutions. In summary, the cost of a car overhaul is determined based on the services performed during the engine overhaul process. For local cars, the price of a top overhaul is typically around RM800-RM3000, while the cost of a full overhaul can reach up to RM5000. If many engine components are replaced or the process takes longer, the cost of the car engine overhaul may also increase. ...
= a full engine overhaul for an 8-yo car should be <RM10k, whereas a (refurbished) battery replacement for BYD Atto 3 Standard costs around RM40k - this is not counting the more frequent replacement of the EV electric motor which should cost about RM20k for a new one. .
Some EV reference, .......
QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Dec 21 2024, 03:25 PM)
. Proton X70 ICE-V car = from RM99k.
Proton eMAS 7 EV car = rebadged Geely Galaxy E5 = from RM110k. Proton eMAS 7 on 1 Jan 2026 = from RM130k.?, since no more EV tax exemption.
If you pay RM30k more, what is the ROI on petrol and maintenance costs saving.?
Will insurance premium be higher for Proton eMAS 7.?
How long can the EV battery and electric motor last before needing replacement.? .......
after 15 months and 27k km, wonder ever need to replace
15 months battery degrade 2.29%
So if we consider battery degration to be linear.
Per month, the battery degrades at a rate of 0.152%. Per annum it is 1.83%
Per decade its 18.3%.
So battery health at 10 year mark is 81.7%
Again this is based on the rate that the battery degrades on a linear scale.
But we all know it is not..
Also, as someone else pointed out, battery degradation is non-linear. The most degradation usually happens in the first year or two, then tapers off. Most EV models haven't been around long enough to draw significant conclusions about long term
Per month, the battery degrades at a rate of 0.152%. Per annum it is 1.83%
Per decade its 18.3%.
So battery health at 10 year mark is 81.7%
Again this is based on the rate that the battery degrades on a linear scale.
But we all know it is not..
Also, as someone else pointed out, battery degradation is non-linear. The most degradation usually happens in the first year or two, then tapers off. Most EV models haven't been around long enough to draw significant conclusions about long term
if u look at the curve carefully (or use a ruler) , it is already starting to taper off
after 15 months and 27k km, wonder ever need to replace
QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 13 2025, 04:30 PM)
15 months battery degrade 2.29%
So if we consider battery degration to be linear.
Per month, the battery degrades at a rate of 0.152%. Per annum it is 1.83%
Per decade its 18.3%.
So battery health at 10 year mark is 81.7%
Again this is based on the rate that the battery degrades on a linear scale.
But we all know it is not..
Also, as someone else pointed out, battery degradation is non-linear. The most degradation usually happens in the first year or two, then tapers off. Most EV models haven't been around long enough to draw significant conclusions about long term
Below are long term real life experience of EV battery degradation in CCP China.
QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Mar 13 2025, 04:36 PM)
if u look at the curve carefully (or use a ruler) , it is already starting to taper off
. My reposts fyi, .......
QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Aug 29 2024, 03:27 PM)
. Fyi, .......
https://batteryuniversity.com/article/why-m...s-an-ev-battery - Sep 2018 - why-mobile-phone-batteries-do-not-last-as-long-as-an-ev-battery .... The EV battery also ages and the capacity fades, but the EV manufacturer must guarantee the battery for eight years. This is done by oversizing the battery. When the battery is new, only about half of the available energy is utilized. This is done by charging the pack to only 80% instead of a full charge, and discharging to 30% when the available driving range is spent. As the battery fades, more of the battery storage is demanded. The driving range stays constant but unknown to the driver, the battery is gradually charged to a higher level and discharged deeper to compensate for the fade.
Once the battery capacity has dropped to 80%, the oversize protection is consumed and the battery maintenance system (BMS) applies a full charge and discharge. This exposes the EV battery to a similar stress level of a mobile phone and the driver begins noticing reduced driving range. Battery replacement may become necessary but the cost will be steep and higher than a combustion engine." ...
= new Tesla EV cars have a "grace battery capacity" or unused capacity of 20%, in order to satisfy US government requirement for battery warranty of at least 8 years or 100,000 mileage or 160,000 km, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of battery capacity over the warranty period. So, for the first few years, new Tesla EV cars suffer little to no battery degradation/aging/capacity fade. .
https://chejiahao.autohome.com.cn/info/15424287 - Google Translated: I've been driving my BYD Yuan EV for almost 5 years. How much does it cost to replace the battery? Car owner: I'd better change the car - 9 June 2024 .... However, the price of the new battery surprised Mr. Wang - as high as 67,840 yuan(= RM42k), not including other costs such as labor and refrigerant. This price is almost a quarter of the cost of his original purchase. Compared with the maintenance cost of fuel vehicles with the same mileage, the maintenance cost of electric vehicles is undoubtedly too high. Such high maintenance costs made Mr. Wang begin to consider whether to give up electric vehicles and return to fuel vehicles. ...
. The BYD Yuan EV that Mr. Wang bought in 2018 was originally an optimistic attempt at new energy vehicles. The vehicle won his favor with its affordable price and good endurance performance. The official nominal range is 305 kilometers, and the actual situation is about 260 kilometers under ideal conditions. This is enough for Mr. Wang's daily city commuting. However, the problems gradually exposed by electric vehicles during use, especially the rapid decay of battery life, made Mr. Wang begin to doubt his initial choice.
As time goes by, the battery capacity of BYD Yuan EV continues to decline. By 2020, the battery's charging capacity can only reach 85%, and by 2022, this figure has further dropped to 65%. The degradation of battery performance directly affects the actual use of the vehicle, especially in winter, when the battery performs worse in low temperature environments, and the cruising range is greatly reduced, making the vehicle almost unable to meet the needs of long-distance travel.
By 2023, the situation had deteriorated further, and the BYD Yuan EV's battery pack could not even charge properly. The vehicle's speed was severely limited, sometimes as slow as an ant crawling, which made Mr. Wang's daily travel extremely inconvenient. With no other options, he could only send the vehicle to the nearest 4S shop for inspection, and the result was as expected - the battery pack had reached the end of its life and needed to be replaced with a new battery. ...
= in 4th year, the BYD Yuan EV or Atto 3 battery had degraded to 65% = practically unusable. = in the 5th year, the battery could not be properly charged = forced to replace EV battery = cost him RMB68k or RM42k.
So, maybe BYD Thailand was previously profit-gouging Thai customers with it's Atto 3 battery replacement price of THB656k or RM84.4k when it's price in China was only RM42k. ....... Or maybe the THB656k price was for a new battery, not a refurbished one. .
P S - BYD's EV battery warranty excludes rideshare use like GRAB and Uber/Lyft.
EDIT: Please see my reply below to 'trusol', ie BYD Atto 3 (or Yuan Plus) battery replacement price is around RMB63k = RM39k in China. .
. Fyi, ie real life usage, EV battery degradation of BYD EV cars is often >5% per year, and not <2% per year as hyped by the EV media, .......
Google Translated: The threshold for free battery replacement is high and you want to see the test report.
Many BYD car owners question whether the "lifetime warranty" service for car batteries is not worthy of its name, and expect the manufacturer to be more transparent about replacement standards and test results. ...
Battery test does not report
Consumers of family cars will also face the problem of battery capacity decay. Will the battery "warranty" be smooth?
Mr. Xia, a citizen, told reporters that he bought a BYD "Yuan" pure electric car in March 2020. "The data promoted by the brand at that time was that it could run about 410 kilometers on a single charge." Mr. Xia's new car was actually measured to run about 370 kilometers. Although there is a gap, he can also accept the possible deviation between the experimental data and the measured data. In the past two years, the car's endurance has declined year by year. "Now it can only run about 220 kilometers on the highway and about 280 kilometers on urban roads." Mr. Xia said that when he bought the car, the salesperson said that the vehicle could be replaced for free if it was 100,000 kilometers or more than 6 years old. Since the car has run more than 120,000 kilometers, he came to the BYD 4S store, hoping to replace the battery for free. But the 4S store reported: After inspection by the factory, the battery data is normal and will not be replaced. What confuses Mr. Xia is that everything is "the final say" of the other party. How much has the battery decayed, and to what extent will it be replaced? The 4S store has no clear answer. "Moreover, I asked for a battery test report, but was rejected."
Mr. Zhou, a citizen, had a similar experience. Mr. Zhou also has a BYD "Yuan" pure electric car, which was purchased in December 2020. Now, the vehicle's mileage has reached more than 120,000 kilometers, and its endurance has dropped significantly. "I drive about 160 kilometers to and from get off work. If I turn around at noon, I will encounter the problem of insufficient power. Now I can only drive about 200 kilometers." He called the BYD customer service hotline and then went to a BYD 4S store for battery testing. The store replied: There is no problem with the test results and it can continue to be used. "I have never been able to get a specific written test report." Mr. Zhou believes that according to the "BYD Auto Three Guarantees Certificate and Maintenance Service Manual", during the three-guarantee validity period of 2 years or 50,000 kilometers, the capacity attenuation limit of lithium iron phosphate batteries/ternary batteries is 15%, and the attenuation limit of 6 years or 150,000 kilometers is 25%. "My car has reached the battery replacement standard." The 4S store replied to the reporter that the battery attenuation data currently detected is less than 25%. .... https://www.chinanews.com.cn/sh/2024/04-17/10200374.shtml - - Many BYD car owners question whether the "lifetime warranty" service for car batteries is not worthy of its name - 17 April 2024
280km/370km = 24% battery degradation after about 3 years = about 8% degradation per year.
P S - Tesla EV batteries are oversized by about 20%, in order to satisfy US government regulations of 8 years of warranty or about 150,000km mileage. ....... BYD EV car batteries are probably oversized by only 10% = in the 1st year of usage, <2% battery degradation, but thereafter a substantial rise in battery degradation of >5% per year. .
Hmm... Let's wait for the original Malaysian ev adopters to use their byd attos for the next few years and we see how the complaints are when the replacement bill hits them.
i cant say about other EVs but definitely not tesla, as the battery health is already below 100% after a week of delivery and constantly dropped over time
if u have EV having 100% battery health for say 6 months then only started to drop then yes, it is over 100% at the beginning
i cant say about other EVs but definitely not tesla, as the battery health is already below 100% after a week of delivery and constantly dropped over time
if u have EV having 100% battery health for say 6 months then only started to drop then yes, it is over 100% at the beginning
. It's likely that Tesla has programmed their cars' computer to show whatever they want to show, ie minimal EV battery degradation for the first few years wrt their 20% oversized battery.
Eg Tesla cars' computer will not tell the owner that their EV battery capacity is actually 120%, not just 100%. .
. It's likely that Tesla has programmed their cars' computer to show whatever they want to show, ie minimal EV battery degradation for the first few years wrt their 20% oversized battery.
Eg Tesla cars' computer will not tell the owner that their EV battery capacity is actually 120%, not just 100%. .
The overhaul process involves various complex procedures and mechanical work. This is because each engine problem requires different methods and solutions. In summary, the cost of a car overhaul is determined based on the services performed during the engine overhaul process. For local cars, the price of a top overhaul is typically around RM800-RM3000, while the cost of a full overhaul can reach up to RM5000. If many engine components are replaced or the process takes longer, the cost of the car engine overhaul may also increase. ...
= a full engine overhaul for an 8-yo car should be <RM10k, whereas a (refurbished) battery replacement for BYD Atto 3 Standard costs around RM40k - this is not counting the more frequent replacement of the EV electric motor which should cost about RM20k for a new one. .
. Since Tesla cars' EV battery are oversized by 20%, shouldn't the above battery degradation after 150k miles or after 8 years be about 85%-20%=65% = to reflect actual battery degradation or battery health = Tesla would have to replace millions of EV batteries for free, under warranty. ....... Hence, Tesla cars' computers only show about 85% EV battery degradation or battery health after 150k miles or after 8 years = Tesla no need to replace battery under warranty.
Theoretically, Tesla can oversize their EV battery by 100% = EV battery degradation or battery health will only be about 95% after 150k miles or after 8 years, as shown by their onboard computer. .
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 13 2025, 05:52 PM
I have never heard electric motor need to be replaced.
. Fyi, .......
- How often do Tesla's motors fail? - 22 Nov 2022 00::00 - Topic 00:08 - Intro 00:26 - Survey Data 01:12 - Model Respondent by % 01:25 - Motor Failure by model 02:47 - Motor failure by the range 04:26 - Tesla's warranty 04:58 - Motor replaced under warranty 05:12 - Estimated cost for replacement 05:12 - Estimated cost for replacement 05:59 - Estimated failure rate 06:59 - Conclusion .
- How often do Tesla's motors fail? - 22 Nov 2022 00::00 - Topic 00:08 - Intro 00:26 - Survey Data 01:12 - Model Respondent by % 01:25 - Motor Failure by model 02:47 - Motor failure by the range 04:26 - Tesla's warranty 04:58 - Motor replaced under warranty 05:12 - Estimated cost for replacement 05:12 - Estimated cost for replacement 05:59 - Estimated failure rate 06:59 - Conclusion .
. Since Tesla cars' EV battery are oversized by 20%, shouldn't the above battery degradation after 150k miles or after 8 years be about 85%-20%=65% = to reflect actual battery degradation = Tesla would have to replace millions of EV batteries for free, under warranty. ....... Hence, Tesla cars' computers only show about 85% EV battery degradation after 150k miles or after 8 years = Tesla no need to replace battery under warranty.
Theoretically, Tesla can oversize their EV battery by 100% = EV battery degradation will only be about 95% after 150k miles or after 8 years, as shown by their onboard computer. .
. Since Tesla cars' EV battery are oversized by 20%, shouldn't the above battery degradation after 150k miles or after 8 years be about 85%-20%=65% = to reflect actual battery degradation or battery health = Tesla would have to replace millions of EV batteries for free, under warranty. ....... Hence, Tesla cars' computers only show about 85% EV battery degradation or battery health after 150k miles or after 8 years = Tesla no need to replace battery under warranty.
Theoretically, Tesla can oversize their EV battery by 100% = EV battery degradation or battery health will only be about 95% after 150k miles or after 8 years, as shown by their onboard computer. .
QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Mar 13 2025, 05:49 PM)
whatever suit your narrative
. It is actually Tesla's narrative, ie EV is actually Yilong Ma's/CCP's scayemm. .
Huh? ICE engine overhaul at 8 years?! You don’t do scheduled service during the 8 years?
Most peugeot cars/engines (to some extend VW and Ford engines) will have to be overhauled way before the 8 years period despite meticulous service/maintenance
This post has been edited by Boy96: Mar 13 2025, 07:34 PM
Rather angkat BYD Seal Performance. Heavy discount right now
I saw model 3 Performance RV macam very kuat, someone selling 2024 year for rm230k.. seal performance one new 199k now selling 149k , same 2024 year also lol
PM Palestine tried very hard to help Proton and Perodua.
Mana tahu both came up with shitty EV, especially Perodoa EMO. Dah lah harga mahal, takde battery pula tu. The lease is a scam.
Doubt he will be that generous. Country still generate significant income from car tax. CKD until 2027, only CBU end of this year. I doubt BYD/Tesla will set up something here.
QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 13 2025, 08:43 PM)
I saw model 3 Performance RV macam very kuat, someone selling 2024 year for rm230k.. seal performance one new 199k now selling 149k , same 2024 year also lol
Kesian those first batch but it's good time to buy one right now. Sime Motor still plenty of 2024 stocks.
Most peugeot cars/engines (to some extend VW and Ford engines) will have to be overhauled way before the 8 years period despite meticulous service/maintenance
Lmao Who buys cars like that. Must be very rich and have a spare car.
Any /k here tukar battery for Tesla or BYD dy? Don’t wanna hear the tokok pancing story form these paid website. Got beiyandiu owner complain in rednote car in garage for more than 3 months dy after accident. Even things like this got issue liao how to trust can solve battery issue o
Eg BYD Seal, you need to pay like RM600-700k for the equivalent performance. Like BMW M3 CS.
RM30k over 5-7 years is quite worth it.
QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 13 2025, 06:10 PM)
Tried model 3 performance and Sealion 4.5s
For similar performance , i need to pay 600k and above for ICE No brainer And this is coming from a petrolhead
QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 13 2025, 07:53 PM)
Model 3 Performance RM240k, roadtax RM1.5k
BMW M340i RM400k, roadtax RM2.1k in UK these 2 cars are the same price (BMW £61k, Tesla £60k)
So buy in malaysia already untung kaw2 upfront
Actually the thrill u get from EV is like sekejap saja? I hear say EV u go whack 160-180 km/h ur range become 1/4 of what it’s claimed. At least the M340i u whack that speed on NSH you still get like 70-80% of the range your tank holds compare to driving 110.
If you calculate the cost of battery per year like that, it is almost same as fueling up an ICE car.
If think of it like that lets say the battery is RM30K and if you use that RM30K to invest for 10 years, you profit out of the car.
The car would not have have any resale value anymore after 10 years because the cost of battery is already RM30K and the car might have depreciated way below that in 10 years time.
A good example and proof of the buy use and throw away stage now.
Actually the thrill u get from EV is like sekejap saja? I hear say EV u go whack 160-180 km/h ur range become 1/4 of what it’s claimed. At least the M340i u whack that speed on NSH you still get like 70-80% of the range your tank holds compare to driving 110.
I guess it depends on how often you whack NSE + drive 160-180kmh.
Last time young that time I used to want to drive fast all the time. Now I drive 80kmh only.
EV is convenient for my sort of driving because any sort of gap can just go for it, no hesitation.
Actually the thrill u get from EV is like sekejap saja? I hear say EV u go whack 160-180 km/h ur range become 1/4 of what it’s claimed. At least the M340i u whack that speed on NSH you still get like 70-80% of the range your tank holds compare to driving 110.
If you are into highway high speed then get the m340i if you can cough out the rm260k difference. For me recently tried driving that fast on the highway but seems impossible to do so unlike before MCO. Current gov put in so many new AES camera + sniper under the bridge + fast lane hoggers. Just very frustrating experience.
This post has been edited by Boy96: Mar 13 2025, 10:23 PM
I saw model 3 Performance RV macam very kuat, someone selling 2024 year for rm230k.. seal performance one new 199k now selling 149k , same 2024 year also lol
For me, the best car is still my 2nd hand Hyundai getz. Cheap, good, plenty parts, mekanik bawah pokok can settle. No need power, I go industrial address everyone is lubang big big or traffic jam gila babi .
If you are into highway high speed then get the m340i if you can cough out the rm260k difference. For me recently tried driving that fast on the highway but seems impossible to do so unlike before MCO. Current gov put in so many new AES camera + sniper under the bridge + fast lane hoggers. Just very frustrating experience.
Thrill means the acceleration.
Extended time driving 160-180kmh makes you very fatigue easily.
The acceleration you get when you the toll gate.
For M3 CS, you need RM600-700k (or even more) to enjoy it.
. It's likely that Tesla has programmed their cars' computer to show whatever they want to show, ie minimal EV battery degradation for the first few years wrt their 20% oversized battery.
Eg Tesla cars' computer will not tell the owner that their EV battery capacity is actually 120%, not just 100%. .
just like that. no head no tail buta buta just throw out accusation
If you are into highway high speed then get the m340i if you can cough out the rm260k difference. For me recently tried driving that fast on the highway but seems impossible to do so unlike before MCO. Current gov put in so many new AES camera + sniper under the bridge + fast lane hoggers. Just very frustrating experience.
This is true. Hard to do more than 110km/h these days due to alphard hoggers.
QUOTE(15cm @ Mar 13 2025, 11:31 PM)
lolz petrol who subsidise?
Government will still continue subsidise petrol even after rationalisation, for 80% of the population.
This is true. Hard to do more than 110km/h these days due to alphard hoggers. Government will still continue subsidise petrol even after rationalisation, for 80% of the population.
my apartment allows resident to install charger at their parking lot. got 1 taycan and several teslas. all got charger at their parking lot. as long as JMB approve, no issue for high rise resident to own ev and still can charge at home.
Show you one statistic data. The EV lithium battery cost history 2013 $806 per kw and until 2024 it is $115 per kw. This translate to aveage 15% decrease in price. If we take the average decrease of 10% from 2025-2030, by 2030 the price per kw will be only $60. 2030 vs 2013 the price is anticipated to drop a whopping 92.5%.
If you buy an EV now BYD Atto 3 battery cost is RM 22,835 and battery price decrease 10% (this is very conservative rate as I do not take 15%). After 8 years the battery replacement cost should be RM 11k.
Bear in mind that battery cost is keep dropping over the year. It is GUARANTEE that after 8 years from now you won't need to pay 2025 price in 2032. It is definitely cheaper price by 2032.
If you calculate the cost of battery per year like that, it is almost same as fueling up an ICE car.
If think of it like that lets say the battery is RM30K and if you use that RM30K to invest for 10 years, you profit out of the car.
The car would not have have any resale value anymore after 10 years because the cost of battery is already RM30K and the car might have depreciated way below that in 10 years time.
A good example and proof of the buy use and throw away stage now.
Thailand already got people take used BYD Atto 3 battery as their solar battery. 10 years later I probably will do same thing for my solar system too.
Car models that are most compared against BYD Seal are BYD Seal, Mazda 6, Mazda 3 Sedan, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Corolla GR Sport and Tesla Model 3. These 6 model are top BYD Seal alternatives in terms of price, performance, features, engine, economy, dimensions, safaty & security.
= BYD Seal is not comparable to BMW M3 CS.
Apples and oranges. .
He said Seal Performance. Not a Seal. I want to see Mazda 6, Corolla, GR Sport go 0-100 in 3.8 seconds.
if you project battery to be efficient in future and more mature tech, it should be cheaper like any other tech.
Battery can become cheaper, but manufacturers have no incentives to push for battery replacement while you all changing new cars can bring more profits.
Kind of like how modern smartphones are often time changed instead of repair/service.
We need some 3rd party players commit to retrofit newer battery techs into older EVs, at a reasonable price.
Solar EV just gimmick. U need to park under the hot sun for a week to fully charge the battery. And most ppl park indoor most of the time
yes. that solar panel is very damn slow to charge the battery. not efficient also. nissan already use for nissan leaf 10 years ago and still the technology not progress so much.
Battery can become cheaper, but manufacturers have no incentives to push for battery replacement while you all changing new cars can bring more profits.
Kind of like how modern smartphones are often time changed instead of repair/service.
We need some 3rd party players commit to retrofit newer battery techs into older EVs, at a reasonable price.
If there are money to be made, sure there will be people doing it. Later complain old EV with retrofit battery catch fire pula...
Battery can become cheaper, but manufacturers have no incentives to push for battery replacement while you all changing new cars can bring more profits.
Kind of like how modern smartphones are often time changed instead of repair/service.
We need some 3rd party players commit to retrofit newer battery techs into older EVs, at a reasonable price.
similar to printer right? buy new printer instead of ink is cheaper
Show you one statistic data. The EV lithium battery cost history 2013 $806 per kw and until 2024 it is $115 per kw. This translate to aveage 15% decrease in price. If we take the average decrease of 10% from 2025-2030, by 2030 the price per kw will be only $60. 2030 vs 2013 the price is anticipated to drop a whopping 92.5%.
If you buy an EV now BYD Atto 3 battery cost is RM 22,835 and battery price decrease 10% (this is very conservative rate as I do not take 15%). After 8 years the battery replacement cost should be RM 11k.
Bear in mind that battery cost is keep dropping over the year. It is GUARANTEE that after 8 years from now you won't need to pay 2025 price in 2032. It is definitely cheaper price by 2032.
While battery can get cheaper, it may not be completely passed on to consumers. However future is bright if got cash. Just be aware, we as consumers do not want my pussy or balls being grabbed by the evil car manufacturers.
In any case, once the EV car becomes same price as ICE car. Will not drop too much one. They want profit also.
my apartment allows resident to install charger at their parking lot. got 1 taycan and several teslas. all got charger at their parking lot. as long as JMB approve, no issue for high rise resident to own ev and still can charge at home.
. How are the cables of their EV wall chargers installed at their individual parking lots, ie from the TNB meters, wrt their individual TNB monthly bills.? . .
Show you one statistic data. The EV lithium battery cost history 2013 $806 per kw and until 2024 it is $115 per kw. This translate to aveage 15% decrease in price. If we take the average decrease of 10% from 2025-2030, by 2030 the price per kw will be only $60. 2030 vs 2013 the price is anticipated to drop a whopping 92.5%.
If you buy an EV now BYD Atto 3 battery cost is RM 22,835 and battery price decrease 10% (this is very conservative rate as I do not take 15%). After 8 years the battery replacement cost should be RM 11k.
Bear in mind that battery cost is keep dropping over the year. It is GUARANTEE that after 8 years from now you won't need to pay 2025 price in 2032. It is definitely cheaper price by 2032.
. Remember, EV is a CCP China money-scam and most of the market for EV battery materials are controlled/manipulated by CCP China = CCP China has a selfish interest in lowering the price of EV battery materials like Lithium Carbonate, in order to increase global adoption of EV cars, which global EV car market CCP China intends to dominate..
So, once global adoption of EV cars reaches >50% with CCP China EV car and EV battery makers dominating the global EV car market, CCP China will then likely start increasing the prices of EV battery materials = more profits for CCP China = typical cheap sale to bait-waterfish scam tactic.. .
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 14 2025, 02:23 PM
Car models that are most compared against BYD Seal are BYD Seal, Mazda 6, Mazda 3 Sedan, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Corolla GR Sport and Tesla Model 3. These 6 model are top BYD Seal alternatives in terms of price, performance, features, engine, economy, dimensions, safaty & security.
= BYD Seal is not comparable to BMW M3 CS.
Apples and oranges. .
QUOTE(masamura @ Mar 14 2025, 09:36 AM)
He said Seal Performance. Not a Seal. I want to see Mazda 6, Corolla, GR Sport go 0-100 in 3.8 seconds.
. I want to see BYD Seal Performance top Mazda 6's topspeed of 240km/h. .
Performance not only acceleration..it include top speed, braking power, stability etc
QUOTE(masamura @ Mar 14 2025, 10:03 AM)
There's no problem with the braking from 100 to 0 and there's no problem with the stability. Top speed is electronically capped at 190kmh.
. Fyi, .......
https://delta-q.com/industry-news/ev-design...-and-top-speed/ - EV Design Considerations: Acceleration & Top Speed Dec 15, 2021 .... The top speed of an electric vehicle will be limited to the maximum rotating speed of the motor. ... . It's likely another EV scam tactic to say that EV carmakers purposely limited their topspeed to save battery range, similar as them saying EV is to save the environment or reduce air pollution/clean air. .
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 14 2025, 03:01 PM
Battery can become cheaper, but manufacturers have no incentives to push for battery replacement while you all changing new cars can bring more profits.
Kind of like how modern smartphones are often time changed instead of repair/service.
We need some 3rd party players commit to retrofit newer battery techs into older EVs, at a reasonable price.
in future i think EV car manufacturer will entice new buyer with battery recycling trade in program, they can take back the battery and do recycling. By doing this they can keep repeating customer in 5-10 years.
https://delta-q.com/industry-news/ev-design...-and-top-speed/ - EV Design Considerations: Acceleration & Top Speed Dec 15, 2021 .... The top speed of an electric vehicle will be limited to the maximum rotating speed of the motor. ... . It's likely another EV scam tactic to say that EV carmakers purposely limited their topspeed to save battery range, similar as them saying EV is to save the environment or reduce air pollution/clean air. .
Doesn’t matter. *Yawn*
I have a Conti, a Japanese and a BYD SP. Enjoy your evening.
This post has been edited by masamura: Mar 14 2025, 07:07 PM
On what road can you go 240kmh before you see another sohai driving 100 on all the lanes? In Malaysian roads, acceleration is king.
. Fyi, in terms of 0-30km/h acceleration at traffic lights, even 120cc kapchai/s is king on Malaysian roads.
On near empty Malaysian highways, we can temporarily go above 180km/h and up to 240km/h for short speed bursts when needed, eg to rush to the KLIA airport at 3am to catch a very important early morning flight.
Of course, it is discouraged for car drivers to go above the speed limit unnecessarily. .
P S - BYD Seal Performance topspeed is only 180km/h. .
. Fyi, in terms of 0-30km/h acceleration at traffic lights, even 120cc kapchai/s is king on Malaysian roads.
On near empty Malaysian highways, we can temporarily go above 180km/h and up to 240km/h for short speed bursts when needed, eg to rush to the KLIA airport at 3am to catch a very important early morning flight.
Of course, it is discouraged for car drivers to go above the speed limit unnecessarily. .
P S - BYD Seal Performance topspeed is only 180km/h. .
Seal performance can definitely go above 180 although I’ve only pushed it to 196. It advertises itself at 180 but definitely can go way above
. Fyi, in terms of 0-30km/h acceleration at traffic lights, even 120cc kapchai/s is king on Malaysian roads.
On near empty Malaysian highways, we can temporarily go above 180km/h and up to 240km/h for short speed bursts when needed, eg to rush to the KLIA airport at 3am to catch a very important early morning flight.
Of course, it is discouraged for car drivers to go above the speed limit unnecessarily. .
P S - BYD Seal Performance topspeed is only 180km/h. .
Seal performance can sustain 190km/h for a short while before power throttled due to hot motor. That's what I read in BYD Owner's group. Correct me if I'm wrong
Seal performance can definitely go above 180 although I’ve only pushed it to 196. It advertises itself at 180 but definitely can go way above
. Post below fyi, ie sustaining any speed above its topspeed of 180km/h for more than a few minutes will likely destroy its drive motor,.... besides many sudden burst of acceleration at 150-170km/h for many overtakings, eg on the highway, will likely destroy its EV battery. Hence the auto-throttling by BYD. .
QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 15 2025, 02:23 PM)
Seal performance can sustain 190km/h for a short while before power throttled due to hot motor. That's what I read in BYD Owner's group. Correct me if I'm wrong
That's right. .
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 15 2025, 05:08 PM
While battery can get cheaper, it may not be completely passed on to consumers. However future is bright if got cash. Just be aware, we as consumers do not want my pussy or balls being grabbed by the evil car manufacturers. In any case, once the EV car becomes same price as ICE car. Will not drop too much one. They want profit also.
Other than battery the cost to produce an EV is much cheaper than ICE because EV has much lesser components and very less wear and tear part. In future when EV battery cost down then the car price will go down. You said it won't drop much but sorry to say the Chinese carmaker especially the one who make most EV will force their competitor to drop price.
BYD Seal Performance: RM31,148 total cost, or RM4,450 per year on average
quite cheap wo, not i expected 50~80k.
Itu Mercidis hybrid or ev. After 8 years koyak, sell 400k car for 60k. Sometimes components rosak b4 5-6 years like bmw, even during warranty, no spare part. Keta duduk wokshop more than been driven esp 330e, X5e..
Itu Mercidis hybrid or ev. After 8 years koyak, sell 400k car for 60k. Sometimes components rosak b4 5-6 years like bmw, even during warranty, no spare part. Keta duduk wokshop more than been driven esp 330e, X5e..
now talking about byd lo, entry price already low, means if the car not much major problems for 10years then quite worth already.
if those bmw/mini cooper/merc ev sure another level already, genuine people(not second hand property/insurance agent) who buying these brands wont care much about the resale value.
now talking about byd lo, entry price already low, means if the car not much major problems for 10years then quite worth already.
if those bmw/mini cooper/merc ev sure another level already, genuine people(not second hand property/insurance agent) who buying these brands wont care much about the resale value.
Merc/BMW hybrids and EV mmg for T1/T5 and not M40/T20 wannabes, however byk want to tayang and end up crying by roadside waiting for apek/aneh tow truck driver. Can't change attitude or thinking but jumping in with eyes closed mmg sure die.
Entry price for BYD and adik beradik from CCP is low but exit is high when car has no value while in wokshop and still hutang bank. Cannot pump and dump, buy another car becos CCRIS already blocked with 1 car loan. So even easy entry need to think baik2. Better listen to this bideo below b4 making the jump.
What you think?
This post has been edited by pgsiemkia: Mar 17 2025, 12:49 PM
Other than battery the cost to produce an EV is much cheaper than ICE because EV has much lesser components and very less wear and tear part. In future when EV battery cost down then the car price will go down. You said it won't drop much but sorry to say the Chinese carmaker especially the one who make most EV will force their competitor to drop price.
one thing is oversubsidize(China) and get the competitor into bankruptcy, to remove competitor. after that... price go back up... no competitor left to challenge. Last time See Honda, Toyota... cheap cars... after that... now they also expensive cars.
Yes, cost for certain EV parts, battery will drop ... but dont expect them to be cheaper by alot for a long long time.
Wow! Drop so much already? Imagine 5 years later, with China speed and China research with the help of China AI agents, the battery probably going to cost only 10% of the car and last thrice as long.
This post has been edited by Penamer: Mar 17 2025, 12:59 PM
one thing is oversubsidize(China) and get the competitor into bankruptcy, to remove competitor. after that... price go back up... no competitor left to challenge. Last time See Honda, Toyota... cheap cars... after that... now they also expensive cars. Yes, cost for certain EV parts, battery will drop ... but dont expect them to be cheaper by alot for a long long time.
I don't think so. China economy is like a man, unlike a woman who is only interested in make up and jewellery to look nice outside so that can market it at highest price to her suitors. The man will grind the gym daily to make tech muscles bigger and stronger and faster to attract amois and aweks customers, to the extent of subsidising them lunch and dinner and a bed to sleep at night.
The way to build muscles is to 内卷 internal competition between Chinese players until only the best survives.
Merc/BMW hybrids and EV mmg for T1/T5 and not M40/T20 wannabes, however byk want to tayang and end up crying by roadside waiting for apek/aneh tow truck driver. Can't change attitude or thinking but jumping in with eyes closed mmg sure die.
Entry price for BYD and adik beradik from CCP is low but exit is high when car has no value while in wokshop and still hutang bank. Cannot pump and dump, buy another car becos CCRIS already blocked with 1 car loan. So even easy entry need to think baik2. Better listen to this bideo below b4 making the jump.
What you think?
so far EV in china already running more than 7 years, i think not much problems already. but again, i wont suggest EV as your primary car, keep the ICE/diesel cars as long journey car, and use EV as secondary daily car.
Electric vehicles are the only technical path that meets the needs of a "zero-carbon smart society." When the four major factors of policy, technology, cost, and experience all point to electric vehicles, the demise of fuel vehicles is inevitable.
I don't think so. China economy is like a man, unlike a woman who is only interested in make up and jewellery to look nice outside so that can market it at highest price to her suitors. The man will grind the gym daily to make tech muscles bigger and stronger and faster to attract amois and aweks customers, to the extent of subsidising them lunch and dinner and a bed to sleep at night.
The way to build muscles is to 内卷 internal competition between Chinese players until only the best survives.
Yes China will have competition. just like Nissan, Toyota, Honda emerged as their countries' top winners. but now you see Nissan bankrupt. While we still see Mitsubishi, Mazda and few other smaller Japanese brand... China went thru so many rounds of EV/local car company going broke.
They may like to corner the market... but they also need to earn money one. Legacy ICE auto, makes money by services after car is sold. They make money for replacement parts.
The EV car manufacturers also will want to make money for replacement parts. Next time, when you change the Denza Suspension(Suspension-wise, the Denza D9 Advanced comes with a Frequency Selective variable damping suspension)... you think it will cost like a China car... or like German Mercedes Airmatic?
Essentially my long story short, Yes, even if China wants to compete... as they gain foothold in the market... you shall see them skimp on spec, material, and charge kau kau for replacement and warranties.
The batteries is one big thing, and as long as car batteries is not fully interchangeable between brands... consumers will be locked in for minimum 10-20 years. and when your first car is Xpeng... likely the 2nd EV would also be Xpeng.
so far EV in china already running more than 7 years, i think not much problems already. but again, i wont suggest EV as your primary car, keep the ICE/diesel cars as long journey car, and use EV as secondary daily car.
. My repost above fyi, ie CCP China EV cars can have battery degradation of >5% per year but their EV carmakers often reject claims on battery warranty with various excuses, eg by refusing to furnish battery health report to the claimants or complainants. .
Other than battery the cost to produce an EV is much cheaper than ICE because EV has much lesser components and very less wear and tear part. In future when EV battery cost down then the car price will go down. You said it won't drop much but sorry to say the Chinese carmaker especially the one who make most EV will force their competitor to drop price.
If ICE car sales reduce by year, u can see ICE parts will be getting more expensive due to cost of scale. Then u will see ICE car did not have much innovation or improvement over the years, to build a new ICE engine will cost them R&D of hundred millions or billions.
. It's likely that Tesla has programmed their cars' computer to show whatever they want to show, ie minimal EV battery degradation for the first few years wrt their 20% oversized battery.
Eg Tesla cars' computer will not tell the owner that their EV battery capacity is actually 120%, not just 100%. .
QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Mar 13 2025, 05:17 PM)
up to u to believe
. Fyi, .......
https://electrek.co/2025/03/17/tesla-fans-e...utopilot-crash/ - Tesla fans expose Tesla’s own shadiness in attempt to defend Autopilot crash - 17 March 2025 A group of Tesla fans and investors has inadvertently exposed Tesla’s shadiness regarding crashes involving Autopilot by attempting to claim that the advanced driver-assist system was not active in a crash test.
It was not only active, but it also disengaged itself less than a second before the crash—a known shady behavior of Tesla’s Autopilot.
Yesterday, we reported on a crash test video that demonstrates the difference between camera-based and lidar-based advanced driver assist (ADAS) systems by famous engineering Youtuber Mark Rober.
The video included a series of tests in which a Tesla Model Y on Autopilot went against a vehicle equipped with an ADAS system powered by a lidar sensor.
The last test was the headline-grabbing one as it tested to see if the vehicles would stop for a Wile E. Coyote-style fake road wall in the middle of the road, but it was simply to illustrate the clear advantage of lidar in this case.
The other tests involving fog and rain where lidar outperformed Tesla’s vision-based system were obviously the more relevant and newsworthy tests. ...
. In NHTSA’s investigation of Tesla vehicles on Autopilot crashing into emergency vehicles on the highway, the safety agency found that Autopilot would disengage within less than one second prior to impact on average in the crashes that it was investigating:
“On average in these crashes, Autopilot aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact.”
This would suggest that the ADAS system detected the collision but too late and disengaged the system instead of applying the brakes. ....
Is the above way Tesla programmed it's Autopilot correct and safe for the drivers or only benefits Tesla from being blamed.? .
Don't ever think car manufacturers stupid to lose money than getting profit. Get back by subsidy is ok. No subsidy you take all the cost. Company is to make money from you not losing money.
If ICE car sales reduce by year, u can see ICE parts will be getting more expensive due to cost of scale. Then u will see ICE car did not have much innovation or improvement over the years, to build a new ICE engine will cost them R&D of hundred millions or billions.
. Fyi, in CCP China where the people are being "forced" by government mandates and subsidies, to buy new EV cars, new ICE-V cars are being sold at a discount of about 30% due to little demand, eg Toyota Corolla and Nissan Sylphy. It should be similar discounts for ICE-V car spare parts in CCP China but not so for most of the Rest Of The World .......
QUOTE((theberry @ Dec 19 2024, 09:51 PM)
LATEST MODEL 2024 all drop price JENG
when malaysia follow?
selling price 76,800 rmb + assuming insurance 10,000 rmb - government subsidy 15,000 rmb ----------------- 71,800 rmb ~ RM 45k in malaysia SOS : government subsidy 15k rmb sos kicap https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202412/1324752.shtml
QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Dec 19 2024, 11:16 PM)
. Fyi, .......
https://auto.sina.cn/info/cx/2024-12-17/det...s8914911.d.html - Google Translated: It has enough space, great handling, and can be as cheap as 41,500 yuan. Wouldn’t you like a Toyota Corolla like this? - 17 Dec 2024 = 35% off MSRP or 35% discount.
Even Nissan Sylphy is 33% off MSRP and Honda Civic is 21% off MSRP in CCP China. Why new ICE-V cars all lelong sale.? ...
= because in the 7 Tier-1 cities like Shanghai, buyers of new ICE-V cars have to pay about RMB100k for the license plate fee and wait >6 months for registration. ... In Tier-3 cities, it's about RMB30k and >2 months, respectively. ....... Buyers of new NEV cars are exempted.
On top of that, nearly all used ICE-V cars have to be scrapped bc CCP China just introduced more stringent annual car inspection (macam by Puspakom/JPJ) for 6 yo or older cars in Jan 2024(.?), in order to purposely fail them or scrap them, eg any failure detection via OBD, eg sensor failure = fail inspection. ....... Used ICE-V cars <6 yo = car inspection every 2 years.
If you are man in China, you dare to buy the above discounted new ICE-V cars. .
one thing is oversubsidize(China) and get the competitor into bankruptcy, to remove competitor. after that... price go back up... no competitor left to challenge. Last time See Honda, Toyota... cheap cars... after that... now they also expensive cars. Yes, cost for certain EV parts, battery will drop ... but dont expect them to be cheaper by alot for a long long time.
In China gov is subsidizing their local car brand but please do not over thinking that the Chinese gov is so dumb that they subsidize the oversea market too. In overseas market the Chinese EV makers are still capable to sell their EV at very attractive price and over the time the price get cheaper. FYI, BYD just cut the Atto3 price to match the emas7 price.
And also in future the car battery tech getting more advance. When more people adopt the EV car the cost of production will continuing go down. You mention price will go back up, yes many enterpreneuers hope to do so but in reality they are find so hard to increase price. If they increase price then people move on to other product or brand right away. Look at our Msia market, why CRV CX5 doing badly compare to the past? It is because the Chinese rivals are offering higher spec at low price. People move to Chinese car immediately.
https://electrek.co/2025/03/17/tesla-fans-e...utopilot-crash/ - Tesla fans expose Tesla’s own shadiness in attempt to defend Autopilot crash - 17 March 2025 A group of Tesla fans and investors has inadvertently exposed Tesla’s shadiness regarding crashes involving Autopilot by attempting to claim that the advanced driver-assist system was not active in a crash test.
It was not only active, but it also disengaged itself less than a second before the crash—a known shady behavior of Tesla’s Autopilot.
Yesterday, we reported on a crash test video that demonstrates the difference between camera-based and lidar-based advanced driver assist (ADAS) systems by famous engineering Youtuber Mark Rober.
The video included a series of tests in which a Tesla Model Y on Autopilot went against a vehicle equipped with an ADAS system powered by a lidar sensor.
The last test was the headline-grabbing one as it tested to see if the vehicles would stop for a Wile E. Coyote-style fake road wall in the middle of the road, but it was simply to illustrate the clear advantage of lidar in this case.
The other tests involving fog and rain where lidar outperformed Tesla’s vision-based system were obviously the more relevant and newsworthy tests. ...
. In NHTSA’s investigation of Tesla vehicles on Autopilot crashing into emergency vehicles on the highway, the safety agency found that Autopilot would disengage within less than one second prior to impact on average in the crashes that it was investigating:
“On average in these crashes, Autopilot aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact.”
This would suggest that the ADAS system detected the collision but too late and disengaged the system instead of applying the brakes. ....
Is the above way Tesla programmed it's Autopilot correct and safe for the drivers or only benefits Tesla from being blamed.? .
so what is this to do with battery?
anyway, tesla FSD is on 'supervised' mode required the owner to take over any moment
there is one case one guy on FSD every morning and let the car drove itself over 300km almost every morning from 3 am to 6am and sleeping at the back seat, then accident and dieded, so u blame tesla for false advertisement?
Most EV battery cars have high discharge cycles. The car will be older then 10 years before the battery needs to be replaced. Likely u will have change the car by then because nothing last forever.
If you change your handphone every 2-3 years, it is the same concept. Just bigger and more exp.
This post has been edited by lkyoong: Mar 19 2025, 02:49 PM
anyway, tesla FSD is on 'supervised' mode required the owner to take over any moment
there is one case one guy on FSD every morning and let the car drove itself over 300km almost every morning from 3 am to 6am and sleeping at the back seat, then accident and dieded, so u blame tesla for false advertisement?
. The guy died mainly because of how Tesla has programmed it's Autopilot computer system, ie when the Autopilot detected the collision but too late (= <1 second), it disengaged itself instead of auto-applying the brakes = the guy's Tesla crashed at speed.
Similarly Tesla drivers are being scammed by how Tesla programs it's computer system that indicates EV battery capacity and battery health/degradation wrt to it's 20% oversized EV battery. .
. The guy died mainly because of how Tesla has programmed it's Autopilot computer system, ie when the Autopilot detected the collision but too late (= <1 second), it disengaged itself instead of auto-applying the brakes = the guy's Tesla crashed at speed.
Similarly Tesla drivers are being scammed by how Tesla programs it's computer system that indicates EV battery capacity and battery health/degradation wrt to it's 20% oversized EV battery. .
so if detected 10 second early but u sleeping at back seat will this save u?
so if detected 10 second early but u sleeping at back seat will this save u?
. Yes, if Tesla had rightly programmed it's Autopilot computer system to auto-apply the brakes when an impending collision has been detected, instead of disengaging itself <1 second before the collision.
Fyi, .......
- Self Driving Collision (Analysis) - 8 Feb 2022 In today's video I give a in-depth walkthrough of my FSD Beta 10.10 (2021.44.30.15) accident in Downtown San Jose into a Green Bollard. I also include new camera angles not seen in the long version. .
. Yes, if Tesla had rightly programmed it's Autopilot computer system to auto-apply the brakes when an impending collision has been detected, instead of disengaging itself <1 second before the collision.
Fyi, .......
- Self Driving Collision (Analysis) - 8 Feb 2022 In today's video I give a in-depth walkthrough of my FSD Beta 10.10 (2021.44.30.15) accident in Downtown San Jose into a Green Bollard. I also include new camera angles not seen in the long version. .
the fuck u r comparing slow turtle driving with highway speed over 100km/h? FSD IS TO BE SUPERVISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the fuck u r comparing slow turtle driving with highway speed over 100km/h? FSD IS TO BE SUPERVISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
. Even if FSD was unsupervised and driving with highway speed over 100 km/h, if Tesla Autopilot had auto-applied the emergency brakes 0.8 second before the detected collision = lower chance of death, ... .... instead of disengaging itself 0.8 second before the detected collision = Autopilot not auto-applying the emergency brakes = higher chance of death. .......
https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ - Tesla FSD Timeline ↓ Elon Musk Quotes on FSD .... February 2019 We will be feature complete full self driving this year. The car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year. I'm certain of that. That is not a question mark. It will be essentially safe to fall asleep and wake up at their destination towards the end of next year. ... .
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 20 2025, 05:08 PM
. Even if FSD was unsupervised and driving with highway speed over 100 km/h, if Tesla Autopilot had auto-applied the emergency brakes 0.8 second before the detected collision = lower chance of death, ... .... instead of disengaging itself 0.8 second before the detected collision = Autopilot not auto-applying the emergency brakes = higher chance of death. .......
https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ - Tesla FSD Timeline ↓ Elon Musk Quotes on FSD .... February 2019 We will be feature complete full self driving this year. The car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year. I'm certain of that. That is not a question mark. It will be essentially safe to fall asleep and wake up at their destination towards the end of next year. ... .
A report from US organisation Consumer Reports – which performs a similar role to Australia's Choice - found that the Tesla Model 3 took significantly longer to come to a complete stop from just under 100km/h than rivals.
The compact electric sedan took 152 feet or just over 46 metres - which, according to the report, is fractionally longer than it takes a big Ford F-150 truck to come to a complete halt. ...
= Tesla Model 3 takes 46m to manually stop from 100km/h to 0km/h in dry conditions.
- 2016 Tesla Model S 90D 0-100km/h & braking performance - 23 March 2016
= The Tesla Model S takes 37m or 2.8 seconds to manually stop from 100 km/h to 0 km/h. = The Tesla Model 3 should take around 3 seconds to do the same.
So, 0.8 second can do quite a lot in an emergency auto-braking stop by the Autopilot, ie reduce the collision impact force by about 1/4, wrt life or death. .
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Mar 20 2025, 10:57 PM
A report from US organisation Consumer Reports – which performs a similar role to Australia's Choice - found that the Tesla Model 3 took significantly longer to come to a complete stop from just under 100km/h than rivals.
The compact electric sedan took 152 feet or just over 46 metres - which, according to the report, is fractionally longer than it takes a big Ford F-150 truck to come to a complete halt. ...
= Tesla Model 3 takes 46m to manually stop from 100km/h to 0km/h in dry conditions.
- 2016 Tesla Model S 90D 0-100km/h & braking performance - 23 March 2016
= The Tesla Model S takes 37m or 2.8 seconds to manually stop from 100 km/h to 0 km/h. = The Tesla Model 3 should take around 3 seconds to do the same.
So, 0.8 second can do quite a lot in an emergency auto-braking stop by the Autopilot, ie reduce the collision impact force by about 1/4, wrt life or death. .
Shit post, 0.2s make a lot of difference ya
Anyway I admire your dedication to dig out old post from 2016 and 2018 to prove your point. With this dedication you should get PhD in shit posting easily
Anyway I admire your dedication to dig out old post from 2016 and 2018 to prove your point. With this dedication you should get PhD in shit posting easily
. How can posting that has proven my point be shit posting.? ....... Isn't 0.8 second < 1 second.?
Who is shit posting.?
Who manipulated it's self-driving computer system to shit on people, ie purposely programmed it to disengage itself <1 second before a detected collision, instead of auto-applying the brakes.? .
. How can posting that has proven my point be shit posting.? ....... Isn't 0.8 second < 1 second.?
Who is shit posting.?
Who manipulated it's self-driving computer system to shit on people, ie purposely programmed it to disengage itself <1 second before a detected collision, instead of auto-applying the brakes.? .
0.8s can stop shit at over 100kmh, it disengage to enable u to swirl to left and right. if u sleeping GG for u
. Yes, if Tesla had rightly programmed it's Autopilot computer system to auto-apply the brakes when an impending collision has been detected, instead of disengaging itself <1 second before the collision.
Fyi, .......
- Self Driving Collision (Analysis) - 8 Feb 2022 In today's video I give a in-depth walkthrough of my FSD Beta 10.10 (2021.44.30.15) accident in Downtown San Jose into a Green Bollard. I also include new camera angles not seen in the long version. .
QUOTE((yeapsc73 @ Mar 20 2025, 02:02 PM)
the fuck u r comparing slow turtle driving with highway speed over 100km/h? FSD IS TO BE SUPERVISED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
QUOTE(yeapsc73 @ Mar 21 2025, 02:07 PM)
0.8s can stop shit at over 100kmh, it disengage to enable u to swirl to left and right. if u sleeping GG for u
. Even at <50 km/h in the above Youtube video, the alert driver could do shit after Tesla Autopilot disengaged itself <1 second before the detected collision, ie the car still collided with the plastic green bollard = he was not able to swerve left of right in time to avoid the collision.
. Even at <50 km/h in the above Youtube video, the alert driver could do shit after Tesla Autopilot disengaged itself <1 second before the detected collision, ie the car still collided with the plastic green bollard = he was not able to swerve left of right in time to avoid the collision.
Who is shit posting here.? .
noob driver like u r, or else everytime jam break please pray abam lori behind u dont ram your ass
i cant say about other EVs but definitely not tesla, as the battery health is already below 100% after a week of delivery and constantly dropped over time
if u have EV having 100% battery health for say 6 months then only started to drop then yes, it is over 100% at the beginning
QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Mar 13 2025, 05:13 PM)
. It's likely that Tesla has programmed their cars' computer to show whatever they want to show, ie minimal EV battery degradation for the first few years wrt their 20% oversized battery.
Eg Tesla cars' computer will not tell the owner that their EV battery capacity is actually 120%, not just 100%. .
A report from US organisation Consumer Reports – which performs a similar role to Australia's Choice - found that the Tesla Model 3 took significantly longer to come to a complete stop from just under 100km/h than rivals.
The compact electric sedan took 152 feet or just over 46 metres - which, according to the report, is fractionally longer than it takes a big Ford F-150 truck to come to a complete halt. ...
= Tesla Model 3 takes 46m to manually stop from 100km/h to 0km/h in dry conditions.
- 2016 Tesla Model S 90D 0-100km/h & braking performance - 23 March 2016
= The Tesla Model S takes 37m or 2.8 seconds to manually stop from 100 km/h to 0 km/h. = The Tesla Model 3 should take around 3 seconds to do the same.
So, 0.8 second can do quite a lot in an emergency auto-braking stop by the Autopilot, ie reduce the collision impact force by about 1/4, wrt life or death. .
It is obvious because those batteries are heavy:
QUOTE
EV batteries typically weigh between 300 and 1,000 kg (660 to 2,200 lbs). This weight contributes to the overall mass of the vehicle and varies depending on the car model and the battery's size and composition. The weight also affects the vehicle's range, with heavier batteries generally providing longer ranges.
Even your brake and tires need to be replaced often.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Mar 20 2025, 05:08 PM)
. Even if FSD was unsupervised and driving with highway speed over 100 km/h, if Tesla Autopilot had auto-applied the emergency brakes 0.8 second before the detected collision = lower chance of death, ... .... instead of disengaging itself 0.8 second before the detected collision = Autopilot not auto-applying the emergency brakes = higher chance of death. .......
https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ - Tesla FSD Timeline ↓ Elon Musk Quotes on FSD .... February 2019 We will be feature complete full self driving this year. The car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year. I'm certain of that. That is not a question mark. It will be essentially safe to fall asleep and wake up at their destination towards the end of next year. ... .
I think at this point, everyone knows Elon Musk's words have to take with handful of salt wan.
It would be good based on those real experience of using EV long time and making repair for accidents. Owning a car is not an asset but liability. I want to go for EV but from price point, it doesn't look like much saving 🤔
. Even if FSD was unsupervised and driving with highway speed over 100 km/h, if Tesla Autopilot had auto-applied the emergency brakes 0.8 second before the detected collision = lower chance of death, ... .... instead of disengaging itself 0.8 second before the detected collision = Autopilot not auto-applying the emergency brakes = higher chance of death. .......
https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ - Tesla FSD Timeline ↓ Elon Musk Quotes on FSD .... February 2019 We will be feature complete full self driving this year. The car will be able to find you in a parking lot, pick you up, take you all the way to your destination without an intervention this year. I'm certain of that. That is not a question mark. It will be essentially safe to fall asleep and wake up at their destination towards the end of next year. ... .
QUOTE(Sichiri @ Apr 19 2025, 09:45 AM)
I think at this point, everyone knows Elon Musk's words have to take with handful of salt wan.
. Even CCP China CEOs copied Elon Musk's above marketing hype or deception on the consumers, .......
QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Apr 2 2025, 03:24 PM)
. Example of the marketing hype by Huawei's CEO, .......
https://www.sohu.com/a/758702038_120129765 - Google Translated: Driving Question: Sleeping on the M7 Expressway! Yu Chengdong publicly said that he was playing with his phone and sending messages while driving? 2024-02-19 19:20
.... This reminds me of Yu Chengdong's WeChat Moments during the Spring Festival, in which he publicly stated that he lowered his head to play with his phone and send messages while driving at high speed, and even used a slightly mocking tone. As a senior executive of Huawei, there seems to be no consideration for driving safety between the lines. ...
However, the propaganda of various companies seems to have changed. From the AEB dispute to the intelligent driving system competition, ordinary consumers have the illusion that "buying a car with intelligent driving can reduce the difficulty of driving". Yu Chengdong even said that "it is difficult to crash", and many consumers also buy cars for this reason. However, this slightly extreme propaganda method has misled many consumers, especially new car drivers, into thinking that the vehicle can completely avoid all dangers. ...
Conclusion: Back to the incident at the beginning, this user dared to sleep while driving on the highway. This behavior of entrusting his life to the vehicle is probably due to his immense trust in the assisted driving capabilities of the (Huawei Aito M7)QM7, and this trust is inevitably inseparable from the marketing and publicity of the car company to the target users. Looking at Yu Chengdong's circle of friends, if this is also the marketing effect he wants to achieve, it can be said to be a catastrophic accident. In my opinion, before the official arrival and implementation of L3, this kind of publicity that threatens life safety is simply a robbery. .
Zhang Jinhua, President of the China Society of Automotive Engineers, also commented that the current maturity of driver assistance technology has deviated from the dynamics of marketing. “The blurring of boundaries in marketing and the distortion of user perception have become a growing problem, with some drivers confusing driver assistance with autonomous driving.” Road accidents caused by drivers who misuse driver assistance functions have occurred time and again and have caused great concern in society, he said. .... .
This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Apr 19 2025, 04:12 PM
Contrary to popular belief, most EV brake hardly required replacement due to use of regeneration braking
I thought regenerative braking is similar to using low gear when going down the hill, you still need conventional brake on EV to brake.
The concept is the same thing as using low gear to prevent brake from overheating because of excessive use when going down places like Cameron highland.
Edit: nevermind, I was wrong, I google it already, seem it does use less braking by 50%.
This post has been edited by smsid: Apr 19 2025, 04:12 PM
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