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post Feb 19 2025, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(LonelyHart16 @ Feb 19 2025, 06:19 PM)
Why Malaysia law side with TNB? How is this fair or even legal?

If someone stole my identity to do illegal things, why I am responsible for the damage?

What is this crazy logic? Gomen no care? TNB bribed gomen?
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Politicians often take sides with the corporations and the elites who owns the establishments.

That is why the entire world is rigged from top down at least to protect the ones with interests.

This is like if you parked your car in someone's car park owned privately but your car got stolen. Instead of blaming the theft, the owner of the car park gets prosecuted instead of the theft?

Like they say the theft tapped on the wire branch before going through the electric meter, should the owner of the property whose account under the meter is the one guilty?

What is the electricity is tapped at the main trunk wire before the branching into individual homes? Will TNB still pick scapegoats to blame?
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post Feb 19 2025, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(GHBZDK @ Feb 19 2025, 06:30 PM)
Why tnb never sekat
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Yes the smart meters these days can be read daily remotely. If the amount accumulates beyond the deposit credit limit threshold, TNB should already be alarmed.

But you see the problem here lies is that none of the individual meters were recording the stolen electricity.

The theft tapped the stolen electricity supply from the incoming wire before going through the meter.

So who to blame?

Straight accusing the landlord is wrong, if the landlord tempered with the meter that is another story but instead the renting tenant got away free?

That is finding easy way scapegoat to pay for the losses.
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post Feb 19 2025, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(new in IT @ Feb 19 2025, 06:31 PM)
No wonder TNB engineer so high pay.
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Also R&R problem.
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post Feb 19 2025, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Feb 19 2025, 06:57 PM)
The cables infra before your unit meter belong to TNB. If the tapping is before the TNB’s meter and it serves another unit, it is not your issue.

If it taps before the TNB’s meter and goes to your unit, you will be at fault.

For Selangor’s PBT, there are no more overhead cables allowed (all buried underground), hence the tapping before the meter is quite impossible unless it was carried out during the construction.
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Like I said the analogy, someone parked in a private car park owned by the landlord, when the car stolen instead of prosecuting the theft you go after the landlord of the carpark?

Also if people tap and steal water from the pipe from outside your house, just because it is stolen closest to the branch that goes into your house before the meter, you the landlord kena saman?

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Why they dare not pursue the theft directly which is the tenant renting from the landlord?

Got insider job that he/she knows between TNB contractors which will be spilled out?

Now thinking carefully, this electricity thefts might have something to do with insider job just like TM cable thefts recently.

This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: Feb 19 2025, 07:09 PM
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post Feb 19 2025, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Feb 19 2025, 07:04 PM)
With that magnitude of the usage, the incoming source intake could be easily a 200A ~ 300A CT meter.

200A ~ 300A CT meter, the bypass cable upfront cost is high. I doubt anyone who wants to steal utility will be willing to come out with such massive upfront cost. More likely, the tenant is using an existing meter registered under the owner’s name.
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Or they have already planted tap points in the infra from beginning to allow electricity thefts during build outs.

Developer, TNB contractors and project contractors all got involvement? When the landlord decided to rent out the premise, they straight took opportunity to jump at it?
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QUOTE(nihility @ Feb 19 2025, 07:23 PM)
Your analogy is valid. If the tapping is from public infrastructure didn’t go into your unit, ask TNB to prove that you are at fault and benefit from the theft. If they can’t provide the proof, the argument stops there.

Your speculation statements post the edit - you need to seek your answer from the other.
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On second thoughts the electrician who did the cable theft before the meter input, is not very smart person. If he is TNB insider, he should know the master meter telemetry will identify the leaks very easily with the excess consumption.
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post Feb 19 2025, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Feb 19 2025, 07:41 PM)
Too negative speculation statement and almost will not happen.

Reasons:-

1) No developer so stupid to come out with additional capex to benefit buyers. This additional thing they cannot even bill the buyer.

2) The unit compliance is supervised by the site supervision team reporting to the Engineer and Architect. No stupid Engineer will sign the CCC clearance & risk their practising license got suspended. What benefits the buyer can offer to Engineer to make them risk their practising license being at risk? If not logic, pls throw away the idea.

The risk >>>> reward.

Only idiot Engineer will do this stupid decision.

The theft modification is more likely to happen after the project handover ( developer will be out of the picture), where the buyer instructed their electrician to modify it.

As I explained, for the cable buried underground for Selangor, it is very unlikely to happen, hence you can eliminate this possibility.
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Buried underground if worst how did the tenant managed to tap the electricity before the meter and stole so much without doing major modifications noticed?

Not unless the taps were already well planned and known. They had the layout design plan where to tap from.
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post Feb 19 2025, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(king99 @ Feb 19 2025, 08:38 PM)
I wonder if we can call TNB to check on our premise every month and we pay them.

Like we pay them RM150 per month, come our premise to check, then keep in black and white Jan 2025, no issue.

Then if tenant decide to curi electric on Feb 2025, worse is we pay for Feb 2025 since Jan 2025 is "confirmed no curi".
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Why you want create gaji buta for corrupted people?

It is their duty/responsibility to check before the meter entry point because it's their own infra and property.

The landlord cannot be held responsible anything beyond outside the meter or what we call demarc point.

Already you can proof that theft is the tenant that rent from the landlord with all the equipment confiscated from the premise and raids.

Why still insist on accusing the landlord?
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post Feb 20 2025, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(samftrmd @ Feb 20 2025, 07:36 AM)
Why can't they go after the tenent?
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Yes, why not the tenant got very solid evidence on him.

Landlord has the rental service agreement which the tenant signed and also the confiscated crypto mining equipment which belongs to tenant.

This 2 are very solid evidence and proof that the tenant is the thief.
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post Feb 20 2025, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ashadiya @ Feb 20 2025, 12:19 PM)
Where was it tap from? If it's from area inside ur property? If its within ur area, ur responsible, otherwise its the other property owner problem
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This is very silly logic.

If say the public utility pipe and electricity cable that is the property of the utility company is in front of your house. People tap and steal from it, the tenant is held responsible?

Do you even understand what is a demarcation point or demilitarized zone(DMZ) between 2 country borders work?

At one side is TNB's property, the other side of the beyond the meter is the tenant's responsibility.
In this case, the TNB Smart Meter Input and Output serves as the Demarc Point.

If you don't understand go and Google "What Is A Demarc Point".

This one is gas line into residential homes.

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*Only the green line after the demarc point is the responsibility of the property owner.

This case sounds odd. I feel that the law firm which is representing these landlord tenants cases is incompetent and useless when it comes to consumer tribunals. I suggest they should boot him and find a more experienced one in handling their cases since their cases already involved millions.

Nothing to lose to spend a bit more on someone who can handle their cases better.


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post Feb 20 2025, 03:01 PM

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The defendant lawyer for the group of landlords is quite useless. He doesn't even know how to defend their rights with substantial evidences at hand to instead relay the claims towards the tenant who was the real thief.

I would suggest they should change law firm and find a more experienced one in handling their cases.
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post Feb 22 2025, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ Feb 21 2025, 01:53 PM)
This one is still through the meter right?

So if have smart meter will show up
If the owner landlord can see monthly bill on the app, if it's registered to the landlord's name

Yang kena kaw one is the ones that tampered the meter
That tnb app cannot see the unit usage as well right?
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The device which hooks unto a live incoming wire called an Ammeter (3 coloured wires means a 3-phase supply) each registering a draw of ~48A each while the TNB smart meter is not recording as much utilization means there's theft before the meter modifications involved.

The unit looks vacant and without activity. It's already suspicious that a vacant unit like that can be consuming that much electricity at one time.

48A per phase 3X48A is like 144A peak. That's already like a large factory.

Smart meters are cannot easily tempered because they're digitized. These thefts tap it from somewhere before going through the customer's meter to get free electricity. It is these cases where the theft taps it before going through the meter that holds TNB responsible instead of the landlord because it's the responsibility of the utility provider to make sure no leaks on their part of the supply before the customer's side of the demarc line(reading meter).

HP to Watts per hour estimation table:

1HP - 2544BTU/hr - 745Watts - 3Amps per unit
1.5HP - 3817BTU/hr - 1119Watts - 4.7Amps per unit
2.5HP - 6361BTU/hr - 1864Watts - 7.8Amps per unit

144A???

Freezer room inside?

This post has been edited by petpenyubobo: Feb 22 2025, 02:12 PM

 

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