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Factors driving decline in live births in Malaysia
By Muhammad Basir Roslan
7 January 2025

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia is undergoing a significant demographic transformation, marked by a continuous decline in its fertility rates.

According to the latest demographic statistics released by the Department of Statistics Malaysia (DOSM), live births in Malaysia decreased by 12.3 per cent to 100,645 in the third quarter of 2024 compared to 114,764 births in the same period the year before.

Similarly, the total fertility rate (TFR) declined from 2.1 children per woman aged 15-49 in 2010 to 1.7 children in 2023, well below the replacement level of 2.1. (The replacement level is the average number of children a woman must have to replace herself and her partner to ensure population stability in the absence of migration.)

This trend, according to experts, carries profound implications for Malaysia’s future. This is because a shrinking younger population due to falling fertility rates can lead to labour shortages, slower economic growth and increased pressure on social welfare systems to support an ageing population.

Health experts attribute this decline to a range of factors, including rising living costs, delayed marriage, urbanisation, shifting gender roles and evolving career aspirations among women.

The key questions to consider are the challenges Malaysia may face without substantial intervention and whether a holistic approach – integrating economic, social and health strategies – can effectively address these issues.

Rising costs of parenthood

Dr Wan Hilya Munira Mustapha, head of the Reproductive Health Unit at the National Population and Family Development Board (LPPKN), opined that a key driver of this demographic shift is the rising cost of living, particularly in urban areas, which poses huge financial challenges in raising children.

“For example, in economically-driven regions like the Klang Valley, a household with one child spends about RM6,420 per month, while families in Alor Setar (Kedah) spend around RM5,130. These figures cover essential expenses such as housing, education, healthcare and daily necessities,” she told Bernama when met, recently.

She also noted that many young couples are choosing to delay or even forgo parenthood altogether due to the stagnant wage growth and limited support for childcare and family welfare.

Beyond economic concerns, societal shifts have also played a significant role in altering family dynamics, one of the most notable changes being the trend of delayed marriage.

The average age of marriage for Malaysian women has increased from 23.5 years in 1980 to 28.1 years in 2020. This delay in marriage has a direct impact on childbearing as women who marry later often have fewer children due to the reduced reproductive window,” she said.

The reasons for this delay include women today prioritising higher education and career advancement and seeking financial stability and personal growth before committing to marriage and parenthood.

Cultural expectations around marriage and family life have evolved, with growing acceptance of individual choices and lifestyles.

“While these developments reflect progress in gender equality and personal autonomy, they also pose challenges to population growth as fewer children are born per household,” she said.

Health, infertility issues

Dr Wan Hilya Munira added that health concerns, particularly subfertility and infertility, further compound the decline in fertility.

Globally, infertility affects approximately one in six couples and Malaysia is no exception. According to LPPKN data, 60 per cent of sperm analyses conducted between 2010 and 2019 revealed abnormalities, highlighting a significant rise in fertility issues among Malaysian couples.

Fertility issues often require medical intervention, which can be costly and emotionally taxing, putting additional pressure on couples who wish to conceive.

On concerns that Malaysia’s declining fertility rates is reshaping the nation’s demographic landscape, in line with DOSM’s projections that 17.3 per cent of the population will be aged 60 and above by 2040, Dr Wan Hilya Munira said comprehensive policy reforms are needed to encourage higher birth rates and promote balanced family sizes.

These policies must account for diverse socioeconomic contexts and provide equitable support for all families.

“The current initiatives from the government could be leveraged especially those related to financial incentives for parents, such as tax benefits, childcare subsidies and paid parental leave, to ease the financial burden of raising children. Complementary measures like affordable housing, quality education and accessible healthcare would create a family-friendly environment,” she added.

Flexible workplace policies, including remote work options and support for gender-equitable caregiving, could also empower families to grow while maintaining economic and emotional stability.

Family planning

Dr Wan Hilya Munira also emphasised the importance of family planning and access to contraceptive methods to address Malaysia’s demographic challenges.

She said family planning enables individuals and couples to make informed choices about when and how many children to have, contributing to healthier outcomes for mothers and children while reducing high-risk and unplanned births. It also ensures the family’s well-being and economic stability.

As for the use of contraceptives, Malaysia’s contraceptive prevalence rate (CPR) remained low at 42.8 per cent as of 2022, and approximately 33 per cent of women experienced unplanned pregnancies, according to the National Health and Morbidity Survey (NHMS).

(CPR is the percentage of women who are using or whose partners are using any form of contraception.)

This highlights a significant gap in family planning education and access, underscoring the need for enhanced public health initiatives to promote contraception.

Stressing the need for public health initiatives to combat stigma, misconceptions and limited access to modern contraceptive methods, Dr Wan Hilya Munira said enhanced education and equitable healthcare services are essential to bridging these gaps.

Meanwhile, family planning and health advocacy group Reproductive Rights Advocacy Alliance Malaysia (RRAAM) said family planning is often misunderstood as simply limiting the number of children in a family.

“Family planning should be looked at as a broader concept, allowing mothers, children and families to grow positively when they receive rights-based information and make informed choices in their lives.

“When people are able to plan when they want to have families – that is, when they are capable, when they are prepared – it directly and indirectly results in positive outcomes. Mothers can recover well from pregnancies and children are given the utmost attention, especially in their early years,” an RRAAM spokesperson told Bernama.

She said every individual should have access to information and services that enable them to decide if and when they want to have children and how many they wish to have, as well as the spacing between them. It also includes access to the full range of modern contraceptive methods.

“As a small grassroots organisation, we try to do our best to raise awareness on social media, while also conducting workshops like the CREATE Workshop, a two-day, hands-on, rights-based training programme to equip doctors and nurses with knowledge on contraceptive methods, including long-acting contraception,” she added.

Dr Wan Hilya Munira, meanwhile, said integrating family planning and birth control into demographic strategies is essential for sustainable population management.

“Contraceptive access also safeguards the future workforce, which is vital for Malaysia’s economic growth,” she said. – BERNAMA

Source: https://www.bernama.com/en/region/news.php?id=2379875
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This time can really say Salah type C. Type C birth rate is just extremely low, even lower than Korean.
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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Jan 8 2025, 10:03 AM)
This time can really say Salah type C. Type C birth rate is just extremely low, even lower than Korean.
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why leh ... i wonder
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QUOTE(PaperClip224 @ Jan 8 2025, 10:05 AM)
why leh ... i wonder
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QUOTE(PaperClip224 @ Jan 8 2025, 10:05 AM)
why leh ... i wonder
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I also type C. Tak mau kids.
Especially in here, I don't see future for my kids. If I live another 40 years, I also not sure what will happen.

You know I know what I worry.
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why leh ... i wonder
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Birth rate decline mainly because of increase in the number of forever alone individuals.
Other factors like married couples only having one child also contributes to the decline, but main cause is still from miserable forever alone individuals.
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sk actually have their first increase in birth child after so many years of decline.

probably the dragon zodiac effect, but lets see for this year
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Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Jan 8 2025, 10:07 AM)
I also type C. Tak mau kids.
Especially in here, I don't see future for my kids. If I live another 40 years, I also not sure what will happen.

You know I know what I worry.
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Are you married? From my latest observations, you can see when going out shopping, most if not all married couples have at least 1 child, the only people without children are single people.
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The real question here is what the govt is going to do about it ?
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Cina memang tak mau beranak.

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those that breed until 10 kids didn't inflate the number? or because data too right-skewed also didn't help?
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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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I used to think all these were conspiracies, but then I remembered the time when there were many cases of fake cobid vaccine given to nons being viraled.
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Where got. I saw Malay family mostly 3-4 kids.
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Factors driving decline in live births in WORLD : sendiri also cannot afford, you wanna afford another baby?

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jan 8 2025, 10:24 AM)
Where got. I saw Malay family mostly 3-4 kids.
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and what is the quality of life for those kids? laugh.gif

meanwhile some chinese definitely can afford 3-4 kids comfortably but chose to either not have any or only have 1 instead
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those single rarely seen outside, deswai la people say mall see everyone got child what

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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Jan 8 2025, 10:21 AM)
I used to think all these were conspiracies, but then I remembered the time when there were many cases of fake cobid vaccine given to nons being viraled.
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You know that there are non's working in public hospitals right?
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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Jan 8 2025, 10:21 AM)
I used to think all these were conspiracies, but then I remembered the time when there were many cases of fake cobid vaccine given to nons being viraled.
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Going to tag KKM with these posts
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QUOTE(haya @ Jan 8 2025, 11:03 AM)
You know that there are non's working in public hospitals right?
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You know there are nons working in UITM right? Point?
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Jan 8 2025, 11:16 AM)
You know there are nons working in UITM right? Point?
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If public hospitals had a high infant mortality rate for non's do you think people wouldn't talk?
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QUOTE(PaperClip224 @ Jan 8 2025, 10:05 AM)
why leh ... i wonder
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Adherring to the wants of non non. The gradual reduction of unwanted migrant Malaysians. One day there when all bumi only no more injustice. All fair and square for everyone.
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Jan 8 2025, 12:31 PM)
Adherring to the wants of non non. The gradual reduction of unwanted migrant Malaysians. One day there when all bumi only no more injustice. All fair and square for everyone.
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Are you sure that your Rohingya brethren will be treated fairly and squarely ? Selayang dah bagi mereka ke belum ?
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Type C no babies also bising.

I thought it's better for ketuanan?

Or worry no more boogeyman?
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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Jan 8 2025, 10:03 AM)
This time can really say Salah type C. Type C birth rate is just extremely low, even lower than Korean.
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because malaysian type C overthink too much on their kids future planning

things like "if i get >1 kid then i cannot afford better schooling for him/her" or "if i get 2 kids how do i afford to send them both to college/uni" and so on

so many of my friends who became parents die2 insist want to send their kids to international schools despite the cost. whats funny is theyre dissing the kebangsaan school so hard despite them coming from kebangsaan school themselves and turned out alright
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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jan 8 2025, 10:24 AM)
Where got. I saw Malay family mostly 3-4 kids.
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But last time 6 or 8 right?
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“The average age of marriage for Malaysian women has increased from 23.5 years in 1980 to 28.1 years in 2020. This delay in marriage has a direct impact on childbearing as women who marry later often have fewer children due to the reduced reproductive window,” she said.

The reasons for this delay include women today prioritising higher education and career advancement and seeking financial stability and personal growth before committing to marriage and parenthood.

Cultural expectations around marriage and family life have evolved, with growing acceptance of individual choices and lifestyles.

“While these developments reflect progress in gender equality and personal autonomy, they also pose challenges to population growth as fewer children are born per household,” she said.
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Is all about money la..

If government give every new baby born 2k a month for 10 yrs, sure immediately berlambak banyak babies until hospital flooded with babies
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Are you sure that your Rohingya brethren will be treated fairly and squarely ? Selayang dah bagi mereka ke belum ?
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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Jan 8 2025, 10:21 AM)
I used to think all these were conspiracies, but then I remembered the time when there were many cases of fake cobid vaccine given to nons being viraled.
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Damn...my old man pakai meds from klinik kesihatan lol...

But I never subscribed to gov meds ...I'm 30 btw and hopefully I dun need those high pressure and diabetus pills
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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 11:13 AM)
Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.


so......
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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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Wow

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I read on reddit recently and it said US fertility rate went down bc there are less teens giving birth lol
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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Jan 8 2025, 10:07 AM)
I also type C. Tak mau kids.
Especially in here, I don't see future for my kids. If I live another 40 years, I also not sure what will happen.

You know I know what I worry.
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Myself also struggling..dun think its good to bring misery to another life..
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No la, people doesn't want to Jaga anak and give homework revision their anak. So why need to birth anak at the first place.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 8 2025, 12:47 PM)
because malaysian type C overthink too much on their kids future planning

things like "if i get >1 kid then i cannot afford better schooling for him/her" or "if i get 2 kids how do i afford to send them both to college/uni" and so on

so many of my friends who became parents die2 insist want to send their kids to international schools despite the cost. whats funny is theyre dissing the kebangsaan school so hard despite them coming from kebangsaan school themselves and turned out alright
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In nowadays society. If u don't have a head start, is as good as losing. And I don't mean international school those.

Just by having no ptptn is already a head start.

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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Jan 8 2025, 04:54 PM)
In nowadays society. If u don't have a head start, is as good as losing. And I don't mean international school those.

Just by having no ptptn is already a head start.
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yeah its good to think/plan ahead, but to the point where everything is set sounds alot like mollycoddling and spoonfeeding the kids

thats not a very good parenting IMO
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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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https://open.dosm.gov.my/data-catalogue/bir...nual_sex_ethnic

https://open.dosm.gov.my/data-catalogue/births_district_sex

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Malaysia

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jan 8 2025, 10:24 AM)
Where got. I saw Malay family mostly 3-4 kids.
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You only see those who have kids. You didn't see those who stay single.

QUOTE(arif85124 @ Jan 8 2025, 10:33 AM)
those single rarely seen outside, deswai la people say mall see everyone got child what
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Mall also rarely see children nowadays, especially Chinese areas. Completely different from when I was a kid, children running around everywhere. Now Chinese areas feel like majority old people. Especially those small towns that have been abandoned by younger generations.

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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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Stupid conspiracy theory la

You think its easy to keep such things hidden when there are a lot of nons in the public healthcare system? You think its so easy and cheap for them to maintain a different catalogue and inventory of medicine in public system?

Only dumbf`k people with shallow thinking will think such a thing is possible.

QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 8 2025, 12:47 PM)
because malaysian type C overthink too much on their kids future planning

things like "if i get >1 kid then i cannot afford better schooling for him/her" or "if i get 2 kids how do i afford to send them both to college/uni" and so on

so many of my friends who became parents die2 insist want to send their kids to international schools despite the cost. whats funny is theyre dissing the kebangsaan school so hard despite them coming from kebangsaan school themselves and turned out alright
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Kebangsaan school only got a few decent ones, most of them are crap. Even back in my day, my school wasn't great and I turned out ok mostly because I wasn't reliant on school for my education.
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I think the choice is obvious.


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QUOTE(kopitiamtardx @ Jan 8 2025, 10:13 AM)
Actually i want to see a graph of new births of:

1) No of new births vs races
2) no of new birth vs states
3) No of new births vs states and races
4) No of births vs private/public hospitals
5) No of births vs income level of the family
6) No of births vs existing number of children in the family + race

There is a conspiracy theory that if nons go to public hospital high chance the baby will die.
Also, they say the medicine/vaccine they give in public hospital is making nons to have low fertility rate...
Also, seems like the good medicines are no longer given to nons. Only shit tier medicines are given to nons.

so......
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Lol, this is a very simple matter, so I will just repost back what I said before 1 month ago:

QUOTE(smsid @ Dec 9 2024, 08:47 PM)
Lol, puak yang paling tertindas manage to hijack each thread and somehow make it the majority fault pulak.

No one is holding you back to breed more, just that you guys are too calculative.

Always consider children as a burden, meanwhile earthprince consider it as rezeki.

Go figure.

Inb4 Japan needs to give more tongkat to pregnant lady.
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Thanks, I had a good chuckle reading your tinfoil hat theory.
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who wana kirim clock if no kids?
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If anything, you should suspect Western for causing the low fertility rate, because it is happening everywhere, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, China, Taiwan.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 8 2025, 04:59 PM)
yeah its good to think/plan ahead, but to the point where everything is set sounds alot like mollycoddling and spoonfeeding the kids

thats not a very good parenting IMO
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Still, if I have kids I don't want my kids to bear the ptptn loan.
You still have to plan a good runway ahead ensure kids have chance to take off when coming to age.

Many just biak and hope one of it will succeed.

Proper guidance and environment is important. Won't want my kids to end up being mat lajak. Which i know many parents are like that.

Even my pet dog I ensure give it good food, vet check make sure eat well and happy and stay off the traffic. Some parents can just let their kids run wild in the streets, the way they treat their kids is worse than how I treat my pet dog.


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Look, North Korea population is increasing well, why is that?
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/...orea/population

Inb4 Japan & Singapore low birthrate also salah hospital kkm, rofl.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jan 8 2025, 05:33 PM)
Kebangsaan school only got a few decent ones, most of them are crap. Even back in my day, my school wasn't great and I turned out ok mostly because I wasn't reliant on school for my education.
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yah i came from kebangsaan also and i turned out as normal as anyone can be

nowadays kids cannot be like us in the past, all reliant on schools. they need to utilise the power of the internet more to learn things fast

these dont need expensive international schools to teach even. the main idea for me has always been teaching the people how to fish, not fish for them

QUOTE(littlegamer @ Jan 8 2025, 05:46 PM)
Still, if I have kids I don't want my kids to bear the ptptn loan.
You still have to plan a good runway ahead ensure kids have chance to take off when coming to age.

Many just biak and hope one of it will succeed.

Proper guidance and environment is important. Won't want my kids to end up being mat lajak. Which i know many parents are like that.

Even my pet dog I ensure give it good food, vet check make sure eat well and happy and stay off the traffic. Some parents can just let their kids run wild in the streets, the way they treat their kids is worse than how I treat my pet dog.
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yeah its always better to plan ahead to settle kids financial status up until they graduated, then baru can leave them alone to their own devices. its one of the larger things parents can do for kids, thats what im planning for mine.

thats why supervision and teaching is very important during young age, making sure your kid know what is right or not and how to behave.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 8 2025, 05:59 PM)
Look, North Korea population is increasing well, why is that?
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/...orea/population

Inb4 Japan & Singapore low birthrate also salah hospital kkm, rofl.
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Just because low birth rate doesn't mean the population size will instantly stop growing. The effects of low birth rate takes decades to feel, when the elderly population start dying off, as in Japan where their yearly deaths are higher than births. That's when the population starts to shrink.

In 2014 North Korea recorded a birth rate of 1.78. They punish doctors who perform abortions and people who sell contraceptives.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-north-korea-ne...e-south-1955156


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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 8 2025, 06:10 PM)
Just because low birth rate doesn't mean the population size will instantly stop growing. The effects of low birth rate takes decades to feel, when the elderly population start dying off, as in Japan where their yearly deaths are higher than births. That's when the population starts to shrink.

In 2014 North Korea recorded a birth rate of 1.78. They punish doctors who perform abortions and people who sell contraceptives.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-north-korea-ne...e-south-1955156
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Still, their birthrate is higher than South Korea and about the same as America:
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And weird thing is, both the graph and text below it is conflicting information lol

https://www.google.com/search?q=north+korea+birth+rate

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Still, their birthrate is higher than South Korea and about the same as America:
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And weird thing is, both the graph and text below it is conflicting information lol

https://www.google.com/search?q=north+korea+birth+rate
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2.1 is the replacement rate. If a rate below 2 is sustained for decades, the population will shrink.

North Korea data gathering sucks, the UN just estimates NK's birth rate.
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QUOTE(littlegamer @ Jan 8 2025, 10:03 AM)
This time can really say Salah type C. Type C birth rate is just extremely low, even lower than Korean.
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I know a lot of type M go for IVF.

some did not sukses after 2-3 rounds.
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QUOTE(smsid @ Jan 8 2025, 05:59 PM)
Look, North Korea population is increasing well, why is that?
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/...orea/population

Inb4 Japan & Singapore low birthrate also salah hospital kkm, rofl.
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singapore import from malaysia lah
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 8 2025, 06:25 PM)
2.1 is the replacement rate. If a rate below 2 is sustained for decades, the population will shrink.

North Korea data gathering sucks, the UN just estimates NK's birth rate.
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Then how do you know lol?

Have you been there?
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Then how do you know lol?

Have you been there?
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That's what the article said. I don't want to argue about this, neither you nor I have been to NK. Bye, have a nice day.
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 8 2025, 06:10 PM)
Just because low birth rate doesn't mean the population size will instantly stop growing. The effects of low birth rate takes decades to feel, when the elderly population start dying off, as in Japan where their yearly deaths are higher than births. That's when the population starts to shrink.

In 2014 North Korea recorded a birth rate of 1.78. They punish doctors who perform abortions and people who sell contraceptives.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-north-korea-ne...e-south-1955156
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True, but I don't think it'll take THAT long.

Look at Japan's economy. China is starting to feel it too. These are world leading economies.

Now add that to the list of existing issues in Malaysia...

Don't forget Japan's average life expectancy is almost a decade more than Malaysians.

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jan 8 2025, 06:31 PM)
That's what the article said. I don't want to argue about this, neither you nor I have been to NK. Bye, have a nice day.
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Still, their birthrate aka fertility rate is higher than U.K and U.S, and about the same as Malaysia, so why do they kepochi about North Korea birth rate lol?

Check the bottom list, South Korea, 0.78 in 2024, but they kepochi about North Korea 1.79, I thought the West hated North Korea? That's why they sanctions them for decades.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou..._fertility_rate

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type C contributing a lot to marehsia ok

marehsia will be clean and suci if no pendatangs!!!
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china cost usd 97,000 = rm 436,500
malaysia cost rm400,000 - RM 1.1 million

The second highest in the world is China, where the cost is 6.9 times GDP per capita. In China, it costs more than $75,000 to raise a child until the age of 18 and another $22,000 to get them a university education, the study said.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/202...113_350152.html

We’ve put together a list of the most common costs associated with raising a child in Malaysia today, including delivery costs, schooling costs, and University fees. Taken together, all the costs involved add up to between RM 400,000 and RM 1.1 million,
https://www.aia.com.my/en/knowledge-hub/pla...n-malaysia.html

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