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post Dec 8 2024, 06:18 PM, updated 2y ago

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Hi, made police report, and reported to bank, bank say they will investigate and freeze the bank account details that i provided.

wonder what is the chances that the money can be recovered. Anyone had experience on this to share?
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How much?
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post Dec 8 2024, 06:58 PM

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Debit card or bank account like 99% gone.
Especially if victim is tricked to authorize the transaction. Bank won't refund any amount.
The scammer transverse the money via money mule and quickly cash out ald.
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post Dec 8 2024, 07:32 PM

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Normally chances will be almost 0%. Most of the time the criminal would have use up all the money by then. Btw, can tell more details on what happened?
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post Dec 8 2024, 07:42 PM

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He invested in a dropshipping business model site, made few transfers to the site bank accounts and was able to withdraw once, now withdrawal got blocked and the customer service asked to top up more money to unblock.
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post Dec 8 2024, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 07:42 PM)
He invested in a dropshipping business model site, made few transfers to the site bank accounts and was able to withdraw once, now withdrawal got blocked and the customer service asked to top up more money to unblock.
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how much?

I would say 100% is gone
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Chances of getting back the money is 0%.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 07:42 PM)
He invested in a dropshipping business model site, made few transfers to the site bank accounts and was able to withdraw once, now withdrawal got blocked and the customer service asked to top up more money to unblock.
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Let me guess, is it fake tiktokmall or something?

Been seeing this thing popping up lately.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 07:42 PM)
He invested in a dropshipping business model site, made few transfers to the site bank accounts and was able to withdraw once, now withdrawal got blocked and the customer service asked to top up more money to unblock.
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If this is the scenario, then sorry to say the chance of getting back the money is zero. Hopefully it is not a big amount.
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post Dec 8 2024, 09:49 PM

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i guess must be from fb ads
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 06:18 PM)
Hi, made police report, and reported to bank, bank say they will investigate and freeze the bank account details that i provided.

wonder what is the chances that the money can be recovered. Anyone had experience on this to share?
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If the investigation is proven that your family member was the willing party and initiated the transfer, then there is very little likelihood that money will be recovered. If there was an issue with the banking app or where the bank was at fault, then yes, money can be retrieved.
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post Dec 8 2024, 10:28 PM

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the least you can do is stop other people becoming victim
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 06:18 PM)
Hi, made police report, and reported to bank, bank say they will investigate and freeze the bank account details that i provided.

wonder what is the chances that the money can be recovered. Anyone had experience on this to share?
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0.00000001%

havnt you watch any Scam Movie/documentary??
Those pros 1, within 5 sec clear the fund received.

The ultimate CORE LOGIC in ANY FINANCE AND BANKING SYSTEM.
Transaction IS HOLY.

If because you feel you being scam/love scam/financial scam or whatever.
As long as you made the decision to MAKE THAT TRANSACTION.

Bank will see it as FINAL.


Just imagine, if this getting momentum, Bank help reverse transaction because of people "[B]REGRET IT"[/B]
Welcome the golden era of Crypto. Bank = Useless.


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post Dec 9 2024, 08:19 AM

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I hope this is implemented some day. All this user's post seem to be AI generated. Doesn't add anything to the forum.
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post Dec 9 2024, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 07:42 PM)
He invested in a dropshipping business model site, made few transfers to the site bank accounts and was able to withdraw once, now withdrawal got blocked and the customer service asked to top up more money to unblock.
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The 1st ability to withdraw is the bait. That is to remove the doubt & comvince the victim the “scam” is genuine. The moment the victim get hook, they will “farm” you.

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Dec 8 2024, 10:04 PM)
can we report AI responses, to mod for ban?
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I hope this is implemented some day. All this user's post seem to be AI generated. Doesn't add anything to the forum.
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i wish. not the first time seeing this.
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post Dec 9 2024, 10:16 AM

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TS, please answer how your family member knew about the business and asked them to invest?

Facebook? Youtube?

If facebook, please do report to MCMC as well, so they can add in 1 as the stats!!!!!!!
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Chances is zero. Scammer very quick to withdraw the money because bank first response always freeze affected account pending investigations. They will remove all money within 1 hour and circulate it into oblivion to avoid tracing.

I hope TS can share how and what method they use to scam. To warn others. Please state the name of the website/agency so this post can appear when ppl google and thus avoid being scammed.
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post Dec 9 2024, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Dec 9 2024, 10:23 AM)
Chances is zero. Scammer very quick to withdraw the money because bank first response always freeze affected account pending investigations. They will remove all money within 1 hour and circulate it into oblivion to avoid tracing.

I hope TS can share how and what method they use to scam. To warn others. Please state the name of the website/agency so this post can appear when ppl google and thus avoid being scammed.
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hi i mentioned it in post #7. to add more details, scammer add you in social media then slowly introduce you to this investment.
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post Dec 9 2024, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 9 2024, 11:11 AM)
hi i mentioned it in post #7. to add more details, scammer add you in social media then slowly introduce you to this investment.
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added them in social media? not the other round from social media and added in whatsapp to chat further?
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post Dec 9 2024, 11:16 AM

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Money is gone already.

Anyone who tells you they can help you recover is another scam in itself.
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post Dec 9 2024, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(nasiputih @ Dec 8 2024, 10:04 PM)
can we report AI responses, to mod for ban?
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kasi chance laaa bang, die nak speaking tapi tak ghetiii. so mintak AI buat ayat. baru la nampak macam cool skit. kahkahkah
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QUOTE(Chinoz @ Dec 9 2024, 11:16 AM)
Money is gone already.

Anyone who tells you they can help you recover is another scam in itself.
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got fb ads on this, that they will help you recover your scammed $

damn, double hit

FArk you scammer
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post Dec 9 2024, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Dec 9 2024, 11:12 AM)
added them in social media? not the other round from social media and added in whatsapp to chat further?
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hmm they did ask for whatsapp, not sure what's the issue for them to use social media chat. i skip mentioning whatsapp as i thought not important info.
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post Dec 9 2024, 05:49 PM

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wao found out that the company name for the hlb account that the scammer shared, does not exist in SSM. How come they managed to create the bank account with HLB.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 9 2024, 05:49 PM)
wao found out that the company name for the hlb account that the scammer shared, does not exist in SSM. How come they managed to create the bank account with HLB.
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Probably ssm expired?
Or registered using different company name?
Or maybe not company account?

U no provide any details how to guess
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post Dec 9 2024, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Dec 9 2024, 05:53 PM)
Probably ssm expired?
Or registered using different company name?
Or maybe not company account?

U no provide any details how to guess
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no i tried using my friend company which he submitted termination 18 years old. the record still in SSM.

but what you mean by registered using different company name? then whats the hlb bank account recipient name they gave, it is not a personal name.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 9 2024, 06:23 PM)
no i tried using my friend company which he submitted termination 18 years old. the record still in SSM.

but what you mean by registered using different company name? then whats the hlb bank account recipient name they gave, it is not a personal name.
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That means the acc is registered with a different ssm.
Or company name changed?

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That means the acc is registered with a different ssm.
Or company name changed?
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like u said, no details how to help
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post Dec 9 2024, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sunshape @ Dec 9 2024, 09:19 PM)
like u said, no details how to help
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what details are you asking for?
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Got consent, low chance to get back, unless was transferred without owner knowledge aka bank system weak, can try approach ombudsman

friend kena early this year, multiple transfer of rm99 because less than rm100 or rm150 can transfer without tac for this bank (most halal bank)

made a police report, complaint to ombudsman, offered to settle 50% by the bank, he reject, few months after that the bank returns 100%

but only around 1k, thats why my friend rejects, just want to see how the bank responds, if 5 digits above maybe will accept the 50%
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The chances of recovery depend on a lot of factors, how the scam was done, how quickly you reported it, and how cooperative the bank and police are.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 07:42 PM)
He invested in a dropshipping business model site, made few transfers to the site bank accounts and was able to withdraw once, now withdrawal got blocked and the customer service asked to top up more money to unblock.
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In this case, it's 0%.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 07:42 PM)
He invested in a dropshipping business model site, made few transfers to the site bank accounts and was able to withdraw once, now withdrawal got blocked and the customer service asked to top up more money to unblock.
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Shopee telegram job like product job then get rm30. After that require to transfer money 100, get 140 commision etc ?
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 9 2024, 09:38 PM)
what details are you asking for?
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Kasi reveal company name,bank account, detail description how to fish bait etc to warn other.

At first bank in 1k get 200. Manage to withdraw.
Then second time put 10k, they give many reason kenot withdraw etc
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post Dec 10 2024, 02:23 PM

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Freeze account take time.The time report polis and bank,money edy withdraw. Scammer dont put money and wait you freeze or gain interest
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Shopee telegram job like product job then get rm30. After that require to transfer money 100, get 140 commision etc ?
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Nope they claimed to run dropshipping business model, you invest as seller, when there is order you top up money in usdt and process the order, once customer got the stocks, the portal then transfer the money to you.
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QUOTE(skyblack4492 @ Dec 10 2024, 02:15 PM)
Kasi reveal company name,bank account, detail description how to fish bait etc to warn other.

At first bank in 1k get 200. Manage to withdraw.
Then second time put 10k, they give many reason kenot withdraw etc
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Yes something like that, ask to topup money then only allow withdraw.

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QUOTE(Autocountstick @ Dec 10 2024, 02:23 PM)
Freeze account take time.The time report polis and bank,money edy withdraw. Scammer dont put money and wait you freeze or gain interest
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Yes maybe. They tried asking me to cancel my ibg transfer before. They want instant.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 10 2024, 06:53 PM)
Yes something like that, ask to topup money then only allow withdraw.
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How much total damage?
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 9 2024, 05:49 PM)
wao found out that the company name for the hlb account that the scammer shared, does not exist in SSM. How come they managed to create the bank account with HLB.
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Right there is negligence by you or your family member.
Pls do all the due diligence before invest in anything.
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QUOTE(Lucas0323 @ Dec 10 2024, 06:59 PM)
Right there is negligence by you or your family member.
Pls do all the due diligence before invest in anything.
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Thread should be - family member willingly get scammed. AMA.

People still believe outside, people wanna give you free money. But all payment is paid in foreign currency or to bank account not of the company's name.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 06:18 PM)
Hi, made police report, and reported to bank, bank say they will investigate and freeze the bank account details that i provided.

wonder what is the chances that the money can be recovered. Anyone had experience on this to share?
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No you can't.
You can't retrace back the money that you transferred out. The financial system doesnt work that way.

Just take it as a lesson.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 8 2024, 07:42 PM)
He invested in a dropshipping business model site, made few transfers to the site bank accounts and was able to withdraw once, now withdrawal got blocked and the customer service asked to top up more money to unblock.
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QUOTE(blue33 @ Dec 9 2024, 05:49 PM)
wao found out that the company name for the hlb account that the scammer shared, does not exist in SSM. How come they managed to create the bank account with HLB.
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not sure this can help you are not, try transfer 1 ringgit to that HLB account , remark and detail write scammer ! traitor ! and write police report done , this will alert the bank and immediately block the HLB account , hope it help.

anyway money already gone, that for sure.

edit : u also need few more bank account to do the same thing so that HLB get alert enough, 5-10 or more will do.

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https://jpa.spab.gov.my/eApps/system/index.do

also try this , if u really need get your money back, since u say police report has been done, might as well use this website and try your luck
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Dec 11 2024, 08:24 AM)
No you can't.
You can't retrace back the money that you transferred out. The financial system doesnt work that way.

Just take it as a lesson.
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who said cant? every ATM has a CCTV, the bank can trace back via CCTV to see who withdraw from that account and which ATM. If online, can trace back where the money ended to and investigate on the final account number who is the owner. This is a modern digital world, nothing is impossible.
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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Dec 11 2024, 03:18 PM)
who said cant? every ATM has a CCTV, the bank can trace back via CCTV to see who withdraw from that account and which ATM. If online, can trace back where the money ended to and investigate on the final account number who is the owner. This is a modern digital world, nothing is impossible.
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Sorry my typo Im not saying cannot trace.
But without solid prove the other one are scammer, you can't simply frozen your client account, or return back the amount.

Let's say you are honest businessman selling me iPhone 16 Pro max RM6999.
I agreed and paid you via ATM transfer RM6999.
Right away I lanjiao gatal went to police station say you scammed my RM6999.
You think bank has any authority to return my RM6999?

Under Malaysia Law, PDRM need to submit application for account investigation, which will take up to 3-5working days respond from bank to know which is the account owner. If the amount already transferred out, it will take another 3-5working days to follow up with next mule owner.

That's why it's endlessly PDRM rather waste time to follow such trace.
Because it's you willingly transferred out the monies by no one forcing.
It's your fault to sending monies out, not scammer fault.

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Dec 11 2024, 03:55 PM)
Sorry my typo Im not saying cannot trace.
But without solid prove the other one are scammer, you can't simply frozen your client account, or return back the amount.

Let's say you are honest businessman selling me iPhone 16 Pro max RM6999.
I agreed and paid you via ATM transfer RM6999.
Right away I lanjiao gatal went to police station say you scammed my RM6999.
You think bank has any authority to return my RM6999?

Under Malaysia Law, PDRM need to submit application for account investigation, which will take up to 3-5working days respond from bank to know which is the account owner. If the amount already transferred out, it will take another 3-5working days to follow up with next mule owner.

That's why it's endlessly PDRM rather waste time to follow such trace.
Because it's you willingly transferred out the monies by no one forcing.
It's your fault to sending monies out, not scammer fault.

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this yes, most probably cannot do anything cause self transfer and self negligence
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QUOTE(nelson969 @ Dec 11 2024, 10:02 AM)
https://jpa.spab.gov.my/eApps/system/index.do

also try this , if u really need get your money back, since u say police report has been done, might as well use this website and try your luck
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To file complain on the scammer or what ah?
They entertain such case meh?
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post Dec 12 2024, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(submergedx @ Dec 11 2024, 03:55 PM)
Sorry my typo Im not saying cannot trace.
But without solid prove the other one are scammer, you can't simply frozen your client account, or return back the amount.

Let's say you are honest businessman selling me iPhone 16 Pro max RM6999.
I agreed and paid you via ATM transfer RM6999.
Right away I lanjiao gatal went to police station say you scammed my RM6999.
You think bank has any authority to return my RM6999?

Under Malaysia Law, PDRM need to submit application for account investigation, which will take up to 3-5working days respond from bank to know which is the account owner. If the amount already transferred out, it will take another 3-5working days to follow up with next mule owner.

That's why it's endlessly PDRM rather waste time to follow such trace.
Because it's you willingly transferred out the monies by no one forcing.
It's your fault to sending monies out, not scammer fault.
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Hmm i was told by banks they will freeze the bank account then investigate la not sure how true it is, not sure if any expert here can't confirm the whole process. Pbb say they are not sure also, their internal handle this and they don't handle call or queried from external.

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QUOTE(deejay_krish @ Dec 11 2024, 04:24 PM)
this yes, most probably cannot do anything cause self transfer and self negligence
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They can investigate not based on 1 case la

1. The registered company name cannot be found in ssm, i tried my fren old company which he ask requested ssm to close it 18 year's ago, the record still in ssm

2. I am sure I am not the only one buying "iPhone" from them

3. Frequent deposit and full amount withdrawals are suspicious

4. Idk how else bank determines an bank account as scam besides above + police report.

5. Btw i check https://semakmule.rmp.gov.my/, they are 2 reports of this Bank account as of last Sunday.
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Unless you got strong contact in pdrm otherwise gone case.

The problem always stuck at the io phase, io will ask how much money scammed then kopi from scammer then tutup report.

Otherwise tonnes of mule account holders already got charged in court unless the mule account holder is dead person
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Mule account is hard solve due to address issue.
Chances to find them in person is tough due to this kind of ppl move around and are renting.


 

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