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TShoonanoo
post Nov 25 2024, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Nov 25 2024, 10:11 AM)
Low self esteem la. That's why it's a abuse cycle.

Some ppl natural born abusive, they raise kids in abusive environment. Then the kids grow up being abuser or the type kena abuse. Hard to get normal kids, because statistically the odds are highly against them. First they share the abusive genes from the abuser, then the submissive genes from the abusive partner. Then from young grow up in such household, their world memang fucked up already. The only way to break such cycle is educations and therapy. "Living in a fog" is a very common phrase said by victim. At least nowadays u got forums like reddit for ppl to discuss relationship issues, most will point out all the obvious red flags which are not so obvious when u are inexperience about it.
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the 2 friends are not abusive people.

the issue is that they are door mat to their wives.

I don't see their wives as being physically abusive, just that they suck their finances dry and do not contribute much as a wife.

I hope I am wrong, but till today, I am still puzzled as to how these friends fell in love with their wives in the first place.

Even when I have had the opportunity to mix with them, I notice their wives don't social or speak much.
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post Nov 25 2024, 10:44 AM

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sorry to hear the stories...pretty sadding.

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post Nov 25 2024, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Nov 25 2024, 08:53 AM)
I believe, once a person becomes a doormat to toxic relationships, suddenly they face some sort of blackout.

As if they completely blinded.

they think happiness is to satisfy someone else.

I notice they don't look far in life.

The second friend, I really felt sorry for him, so much so, I try to be there for him, but he is very stubborn. His kids have disowned him and he has a lot of fights with his own family n friends.
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stockholm syndrome
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Nov 25 2024, 10:36 AM)
the 2 friends are not abusive people.

the issue is that they are door mat to their wives.

I don't see their wives as being physically abusive, just that they suck their finances dry and do not contribute much as a wife.

I hope I am wrong, but till today, I am still puzzled as to how these friends fell in love with their wives in the first place.

Even when I have had the opportunity to mix with them, I notice their wives don't social or speak much.
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i still confuse on the 2nd case, why he can leave the 1st wife which helps the family bring in more income and help ease the financial difficulty... hmm.gif
maybe there is alot more behind the scene? hope is not just ego issue.

the first one memang "i can fix her" syndrome.
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Nov 25 2024, 08:53 AM)
I believe, once a person becomes a doormat to toxic relationships, suddenly they face some sort of blackout.

As if they completely blinded.

they think happiness is to satisfy someone else.

I notice they don't look far in life.

The second friend, I really felt sorry for him, so much so, I try to be there for him, but he is very stubborn. His kids have disowned him and he has a lot of fights with his own family n friends.
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cannot feel sorry for him. his choice his karma. adult enough to know what he is doing, unless he got black magic or something.
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Nov 25 2024, 08:53 AM)
I believe, once a person becomes a doormat to toxic relationships, suddenly they face some sort of blackout.
As if they completely blinded.
they think happiness is to satisfy someone else.
I notice they don't look far in life.
The second friend, I really felt sorry for him, so much so, I try to be there for him, but he is very stubborn. His kids have disowned him and he has a lot of fights with his own family n friends.
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You're looking at it the wrong way

Its not so much that they become doormat, then become blind. They just don't know any better because they were never taught it in the first place. A person who has never experienced real love, does not know what real love looks like.

Lets try to see it another way. Look at people who smoke and drink alot of alcohol. If they grew up in a culture surrounded by people that such behaviour is normal, then they would also follow it. It would make them feel safe by engaging in such behaviours because its what they grew up around, its familiar. How you try to change their mind also won't work, normally have the opposite effect as they get more defensive when confronted. They somehow need to come to the realization themself. Your job as a friend is just to plant seeds and be around when they come to realization and need the support.


QUOTE(netflix2019 @ Nov 25 2024, 10:11 AM)
Low self esteem la. That's why it's a abuse cycle.

Some ppl natural born abusive, they raise kids in abusive environment. Then the kids grow up being abuser or the type kena abuse. Hard to get normal kids, because statistically the odds are highly against them. First they share the abusive genes from the abuser, then the submissive genes from the abusive partner. Then from young grow up in such household, their world memang fucked up already. The only way to break such cycle is educations and therapy. "Living in a fog" is a very common phrase said by victim. At least nowadays u got forums like reddit for ppl to discuss relationship issues, most will point out all the obvious red flags which are not so obvious when u are inexperience about it.
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You are right above the environment and how to break out of it.

However need to point out that its not really a gene problem. Genes only give you a pre-disposition towards a certain area, its the environment that dictates what genes get expressed. In all of us, we have genes for different types of behaviours, good environment will bring out the good parts, bad environment will bring out the bad ones.
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Nov 25 2024, 11:04 AM)
stockholm syndrome
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Princess syndrome quite common among girls gen z …
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(nickykee @ Nov 25 2024, 11:05 AM)
i still confuse on the 2nd case, why he can leave the 1st wife which helps the family bring in more income and help ease the financial difficulty... hmm.gif
maybe there is alot more behind the scene? hope is not just ego issue.

the first one memang "i can fix her" syndrome.
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1st wife left him
TShoonanoo
post Nov 25 2024, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(nickykee @ Nov 25 2024, 11:05 AM)
i still confuse on the 2nd case, why he can leave the 1st wife which helps the family bring in more income and help ease the financial difficulty... hmm.gif
maybe there is alot more behind the scene? hope is not just ego issue.

the first one memang "i can fix her" syndrome.
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1st wife left him, because she is more successful than him.

she can even support the 2 kids without his income.


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post Nov 25 2024, 11:40 AM

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n emasculated men trending… (a lot of girls hate it actually… )

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post Nov 25 2024, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Nov 25 2024, 11:30 AM)
You're looking at it the wrong way

Its not so much that they become doormat, then become blind. They just don't know any better because they were never taught it in the first place. A person who has never experienced real love, does not know what real love looks like.

Lets try to see it another way. Look at people who smoke and drink alot of alcohol. If they grew up in a culture surrounded by people that such behaviour is normal, then they would also follow it. It would make them feel safe by engaging in such behaviours because its what they grew up around, its familiar. How you try to change their mind also won't work, normally have the opposite effect as they get more defensive when confronted. They somehow need to come to the realization themself. Your job as a friend is just to plant seeds and be around when they come to realization and need the support.
You are right above the environment and how to break out of it.

However need to point out that its not really a gene problem. Genes only give you a pre-disposition towards a certain area, its the environment that dictates what genes get expressed. In all of us, we have genes for different types of behaviours, good environment will bring out the good parts, bad environment will bring out the bad ones.
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yes they both are very defensive.

But for the second friend, I feel even more sorry for him.

The way I see it, its better to be single than to have a money sucking wife that don't care about you.
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post Nov 25 2024, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(TiramisuCoffee @ Nov 25 2024, 11:33 AM)
Princess syndrome quite common among girls gen z …
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Really? Have not met any. But I guess with growing number of karens, its is very likely.
Suspect the parents have to be quite rich to feed kids to become a prick.
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post Nov 25 2024, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Nov 25 2024, 11:40 AM)
1st wife left him, because she is more successful than him.

she can even support the 2 kids without his income.
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i thought spouse suppose to support each other...but sad to hear this.

be single better
TShoonanoo
post Nov 25 2024, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(nickykee @ Nov 25 2024, 02:04 PM)
i thought spouse suppose to support each other...but sad to hear this.

be single better
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I do have one friend who migrated to Australia.

Wife working but he stay at home as house husband take care of kids.

how about this ? is this paradise to you?
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post Nov 25 2024, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Nov 25 2024, 02:12 PM)
I do have one friend who migrated to Australia.

Wife working but he stay at home as house husband take care of kids.

how about this ? is this paradise to you?
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edited: not my place to say anything...as long the person and the family happy doing it. life too short, hope ur friends find happiness.

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post Nov 25 2024, 03:05 PM

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complicated

may your friends find happiness !

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post Nov 25 2024, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(nickykee @ Nov 25 2024, 02:24 PM)
edited: not my place to say anything...as long the person and the family happy doing it. life too short, hope ur friends find happiness.
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the 1st friend still ok ok, because he is very smart and earn high salary

2nd friend, very suffer, he is now almost penniless but still stick with the new wife. I don't know how he survive, but he go dating then spend a bomb but don't stay overnight with new wife and her step children, instead he goes back to his house.

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Nov 25 2024, 03:05 PM)
complicated

may your friends find happiness !
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I hope so too
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Nov 23 2024, 04:22 PM)

Childhood trauma is normally the reason

People choose what they are familiar with, very likely he was also raised in such a highly critical environment so he associates that as

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