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post Nov 19 2024, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Nov 19 2024, 08:12 AM)
Thank you for the pointer but I doesn't mean I'll have to change my stand. The "beauty" of the different opinions, lets leave it there for TS to decide his own cause & effect. If everyone is giving the same opinion & having the same thought, this world will be a disappointment.
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Yup, totally agreed. Our point of view is based on how our career went and what type of culture we went through, so for sure there will be different opinions as there are many variations in the working industry.

We just speak based on our experience and it depends on which path ts want to take.
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post Nov 19 2024, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Nov 18 2024, 05:56 PM)
Thank you for your input. Yeah, i agree with the IATF part. I did some research on how to be an IATF auditor but the path is not easy. It doesnt mean that I fully reject this path. Just need more research.
Thank you. Maybe my communication skills still not top notch. but i do get my point across during work meeting and interview session.
Thank you for the input. I try to learn basic editing using canva and it took me a lot of time as i didnt have much time after work. Need to spend time with my kids too.
I dont think my english is that good. maybe just average. but i do get my point accross. thank you though for the compliment. As for your suggestion, I never get any chance to research more on giving english classes as I am not that good yet.  sweat.gif
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I'm not so good at communication also.
However, I noticed that good communication when is the ability to convince, persuade & influence people.
These communication skills can take you far in anything you do & get what you want.
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post Nov 19 2024, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(vaksin @ Nov 19 2024, 08:58 AM)
I'm not so good at communication also.
However, I noticed that good communication when is the ability to convince, persuade & influence people.
These communication skills can take you far in anything you do & get what you want.
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You're totally right! Good communication isn't just about talking; it's about connecting with people and getting them to understand and agree with you. This means being able to convince, persuade, and influence others.

To convince someone, you need to be credible. Present your ideas clearly and confidently, back them up with facts, and anticipate any questions or concerns. Keep your language simple and easy to understand.

To persuade someone, you need to appeal to their emotions and show them how your idea will benefit them. Use stories and examples to make your point, and tailor your message to their specific interests.

To influence someone, you need to be a good listener and build strong relationships. Pay attention to what others are saying, ask questions, and show genuine interest in their ideas. Be a positive role model and lead by example.

These skills aren't something you're born with; you can learn and improve them over time. Ask for feedback, practice active listening, join a public speaking group, read books on communication, and take communication courses. By doing this, you'll become a better communicator and achieve more in life.
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post Nov 19 2024, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(leonghao @ Nov 19 2024, 10:29 AM)
You're totally right! Good communication isn't just about talking; it's about connecting with people and getting them to understand and agree with you. This means being able to convince, persuade, and influence others.

To convince someone, you need to be credible. Present your ideas clearly and confidently, back them up with facts, and anticipate any questions or concerns. Keep your language simple and easy to understand.

To persuade someone, you need to appeal to their emotions and show them how your idea will benefit them. Use stories and examples to make your point, and tailor your message to their specific interests.

To influence someone, you need to be a good listener and build strong relationships. Pay attention to what others are saying, ask questions, and show genuine interest in their ideas. Be a positive role model and lead by example.

These skills aren't something you're born with; you can learn and improve them over time. Ask for feedback, practice active listening, join a public speaking group, read books on communication, and take communication courses. By doing this, you'll become a better communicator and achieve more in life.
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that's why politicians/salespeople and the such are top earners.
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post Nov 19 2024, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(vaksin @ Nov 19 2024, 10:43 AM)
that's why politicians/salespeople and the such are top earners.
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Yes many are very smooth and confident with their words from talking everyday. Even though they don't know, but they talk and give impression that they are very good. I encounter recruiters, talent acquisition staff, HR, etc all very smooth like that. Technical maybe not so great, but they excel because can talk good.

The good thing is that if you got both some technical knowledge and can carry yourself in conversation a bit, can easy pass through initial round. Especially in SMEs where the hiring manager is too busy to shortlist staff.
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post Nov 20 2024, 12:00 AM

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all the best in your job hunting (im currently in job hunting mode as well).

also , since you alreardy share your salary range, just out of curiosity , do you mind share your monthly spending ?

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post Nov 20 2024, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(poooky @ Nov 19 2024, 08:25 PM)
Yes many are very smooth and confident with their words from talking everyday. Even though they don't know, but they talk and give impression that they are very good. I encounter recruiters, talent acquisition staff, HR, etc all very smooth like that. Technical maybe not so great, but they excel because can talk good.

The good thing is that if you got both some technical knowledge and can carry yourself in conversation a bit, can easy pass through initial round. Especially in SMEs where the hiring manager is too busy to shortlist staff.
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Yup, most technical practitioners are not good at talking.
They are better at calculation & talking science stuff.
During school/ uni, they are nerds, don't socialise much, and are not exposed to becoming charismatic.
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post Nov 20 2024, 09:53 AM

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all the best in your job hunting (im currently in job hunting mode as well).

also , since you alreardy share your salary range, just out of curiosity , do you mind share your monthly spending ?
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I've got the job. Will start the new job on 9th December 2024.

My monthly expenses generally would be like this :-

Car - RM400
House - RM550 (rent). My owned house at my hometown got it from my late mother.
Coway -RM55
Astro- RM140
Celcom - RM100
Utility bills - RM150
Petrol - RM200~RM300 (commute to work by motorcycle)
Groceries - RM400
Wife expenses - RM400
Child expenses - RM300

Total roughly around plus minus RM3k.
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post Nov 20 2024, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Nov 20 2024, 09:53 AM)
I've got the job. Will start the new job on 9th December 2024.

My monthly expenses generally would be like this :-

Car - RM400
House - RM550 (rent). My owned house at my hometown got it from my late mother.
Coway -RM55
Astro- RM140
Celcom - RM100
Utility bills - RM150
Petrol - RM200~RM300  (commute to work by motorcycle)
Groceries - RM400
Wife expenses - RM400
Child expenses - RM300

Total roughly around plus minus RM3k.
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Workplace quite far also, RM 300 for petrol with motorcycle. I did RM 35/month for Ara Damansara - Puchong commute.
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post Nov 20 2024, 10:16 AM

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TS, I think it not all bad for you. You have years of experience and need some realignment. Only down point is too many job change but I would understand in the manufacturing industry is quite common.
Like some says, start emphasizing on processes, go into Leadership and work your way to management. Not a big fan of learning new skills for old dogs. people want you for your experiences.
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I am sorry to hear about the loss of your mother, but I believe you did the right thing to take care of her and spend time.

Here is what I will typically want to know your greatest achievement for each role. Can you share that with us for each job undertaken:

1- Japanese MNC. Role as Technical Assistant 2009-2011.
2- Korean MNC, 2012-2018.
3- Local Cinaman Company, 2018-2018.
4- Singapore Cinaman Company, 2018-2019.
5- Japanese MNC, 2019-2022.
6- Local Cinaman Company, 2023-2023.
7- Japanese MNC 2023-2024.
8- Local Cinaman Company. 2024-currently working here.


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post Nov 21 2024, 12:50 AM

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gratz for getting your new job!
can see your expenses is quite lean already,
all expenses is quite normal for a single income family with kids and wife.

i travel to work using motor too , total around 120km per day.
so per month petrol is around RM200 - RM250 + motor parking.
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post Nov 21 2024, 07:40 AM

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QUOTE(Akmall540 @ Nov 18 2024, 11:46 AM)
Dear Serious /k,

Salam and hello to everyone. Please bear with me as this would be a wall of text from me.

I'm 38 years old with plus minus 12 years of experience in manufacturing industry (mostly automotive) but my salary is still below RM5k/month. Married with 2 kids (6 yo and 4 yo). My wife is fulltime housewife but she currently doing a dropship agent for muslimah apparel and she teach kids at our neighborhood "mengaji" Al Quran. Basically her income is around RM300-RM500 depends on her sale on that month.

I didnt have a degree but I have a diploma in mechanical engineering from local university.

I would breakdown my work experience below :-

1- Japanese MNC. Role as Technical Assistant 2009-2011. Starting salary RM1460, left after two years with last drawn salary around RM1700.

2- Korean MNC, 2012-2018. Role as QC Executive with starting salary RM2200 left 6 years with last drawn salary around RM2800. Married my wife while I'm still working at this Korean MNC.

3- Local Cinaman Company, 2018-2018. Role as QC Engineer with starting salary of RM3000 left before confirmation due to toxic management. My wife and I welcomed our first bon son while I am working at this company.

4- Singapore Cinaman Company, 2018-2019. Role as QA Engineer with starting salary of RM3200. Left as I received better offer nearby my hometown at Negeri Sembilan.

5- Japanese MNC, 2019-2022. Role as QA Engineer with starting salary around RM3500. Last drawn salary RM3800.Have to left my job here because I have to take care my late mother as she was seriously sick at that time. During this time I work as a Foodpanda Rider (Bekal) as I need the flexibility even the salary is not sufficient. I used most of my savings just to survive and sadly my mother passed away December 2022. My wife and I welcomed our daughter while I'm working here.

6- Local Cinaman Company, 2023-2023. Role as QC Executive with starting salary around RM4500. Left as i got a job offer nearby my home. I live in Seremban 2, this local cinaman company is at Kampung Pandan KL. Daily travel 140km with my bike from Seremban 2 to KL. Plus this was not a permanent just a contract job.

7- Japanese MNC 2023-2024. Role as Warranty Engineer with starting salary around RM4000. Left this company without my consent due to conflict with the management as I feel the KPI they set to me is impossible to achieve.

8- Local Cinaman Company. 2024-currently working here. Salary around RM4500. This is typical cinaman company that you literally have no work life balance (need to do remote job even after working hour). No other benefit.

Last week I received a job offer from Taiwan MNC with a basic slightly lower than my current company but with a much better package (allowance, epf contribution higher, medical etc etc). Basically I made up my mind and I accepted the job offer as previously they are Japanese MNC but the Taiwanese tycoon bought the majority of the share. Based on my observation they still implement Japanese working culture that I already familiar with.

I know most of you would suggest to learn new skills or maybe get a degree to so that I can demand the salary more with my experience. So I would like to ask serious /k which skills that is currently have the most demand in the market that I can learn and maybe use it so that it can be my side income. So far my wife and me, we didnt have any plan to get another kid plus we are getting old.

After working around 15 years, I am well verse in ISO 9001, IATF16949, 5 core tools of IATF and I have green belt in 6 sigma (which I didnt fully utilize all this while Im working).

Thank you for reading and thank you in advance for the suggestions.
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Try building your network in your new company. Your biggest problem is that you always think leaf greener elsewhere. Except for the sacrifice you made for your mum, I see it isn't really worth jumping from job A to B. U want a bigger paycheck you gotta move up not move side ways. I hope you get what I mean.

Work experience can only bridge the gap to 5 figure salary but /k 20k range it has to come with network. Knowing the right ppl. Knowing how your industry works in and out.
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QUOTE(MangO @ Nov 21 2024, 12:11 AM)
I am sorry to hear about the loss of your mother, but I believe you did the right thing to take care of her and spend time.

Here is what I will typically want to know your greatest achievement for each role. Can you share that with us for each job undertaken:

1- Japanese MNC. Role as Technical Assistant 2009-2011.
2- Korean MNC, 2012-2018.
3- Local Cinaman Company, 2018-2018.
4- Singapore Cinaman Company, 2018-2019.
5- Japanese MNC, 2019-2022.
6- Local Cinaman Company, 2023-2023.
7- Japanese MNC 2023-2024.
8- Local Cinaman Company. 2024-currently working here.
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I would say i didnt have much achievement for each role as I'm just an average joe. But anyhow I will try to list it below :-

1. Managed to get the approval from the HQ for 1 new product to be run as mass production. Involved heavily starting from design stage, design review and mass prod. I got my 6 sigma green belt here with cost reduction project. Company got saved about 150k per year.

2. Involved in IATF16949 (back then still called TS16949) certification process. Joined Toyota Production System (TPS) training at Japan for 3 weeks.

3. Not much I did here, just continue the normal quality management system.

4. Managed to get the First Article (FA) approval for most child parts from the customer for new product.

5. I did get certified as internal auditor here. Went to India and Singapore for supplier audit. Got part submission warrant (PSW) approval from Korean customer for new project. Got trained for IATF 5 core tools. Got promoted to Sr QA Engineer.

6. I got my oil and gas safety (OGSP)passport here. Learned in detail about reverse engineering process and 3D metal printing. Got the company certified in ISO9001.

7. Managed to get reduction in compensation to the OEM in warranty claim. Negotiated with the OEM the percentage of payment rate for each model in term of warranty claim.

8. No notable achievement because just join for 3 months.

That would be all.

This post has been edited by Akmall540: Nov 21 2024, 11:06 AM
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there's a limit on maximum salary for diploma & degree, if 'makan gaji'. The break the limit, you need to upgrade your certificate, from diploma to degree.. Go take part time study and get a degree..
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same age, local uni diploma, more than 10 years experience but never get above 2thousand salary.
goodluck ts, hope got better job in ur future.
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post Nov 22 2024, 04:36 PM

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TS, chii gonna give nasihat. Maybe good maybe not. But to lend some credibility, chii works in manufacturing for many years already.

QA positions, normally stagnant because QA just keep tunggu instructions. That’s the main QA problem most of the time.

What the boss want is, for QA to get off their asses and propose improvements to the process, get in new equipment for better quality control or productivity. If you can do that you get more leverage over your increments and promotion.

Another thing is, you need connect with your bosses more, if you want more salary. They must be happy and you deliver what they want. Your principles or your stand do not matter to them. But of course to a certain extent only, if too extreme, of course u can just call it quits.

My 2 cents, all the best to you TS. Use back more of your lean skills.

Another criteria to make it far in manufacturing is to try to know all, bosses like that.
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