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post Nov 17 2024, 12:58 AM, updated 2y ago

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Goodbye to big tech’s big perks? S’pore workers say global techlash has come for their benefits

SINGAPORE – Big tech companies once represented the best of both worlds in corporate life – the boundless optimism of working in a field with seemingly endless growth, and great work-life balance padded with lavish perks and luxurious offices.

Eleven current and former Singapore-based employees at Apple, ByteDance, Microsoft, Google and Meta, who spoke to The Straits Times on condition of anonymity as they were not authorised to speak to the press, shared a common lament: The golden era of big tech perks and benefits may be coming to a close – and their firms now increasingly resemble the established corporate outfits they once sought to differentiate from.

He adds: “Every tech company is doing layoffs, so the tech sector is definitely not as safe as it used to be, but it’s not so much the layoffs that changed how I look at the industry – it’s supply and demand.”

“With thousands of fresh grads being pumped out every year, I don’t think the demand will catch up to what it was,” Thomas says. “But the benefits, even though they are maybe 60 per cent of what they used to be, are still best in class.”

“It’s definitely getting worse. Everyone is in survival mode, and money is being spent on artificial intelligence data centres, not people,” says the former tech worker, who is in his early 40s.

“During the pandemic, we expanded like crazy. I don’t think the expansion was thought through, and that was the crux of the problem,” she adds. She says that following the layoffs, there was a rise in office politics and bitter infighting over overlapping responsibilities among teams.

“The story to me isn’t about benefit packages, but about middle management and why these systems failed.”

What mattered most were bigger-ticket items like changes in insurance providers, annual pay increments being decreased or eliminated, or promotion being curtailed – a sentiment echoed by other workers who spoke to ST.

Still, he acknowledges that compensation and benefits in the sector remain well ahead of others. “It’s only because things used to be much better that people are having a tough time reconciling and accepting that the good times are over,” he says.

Unlike earlier years of double-digit growth, big tech firms now operate in a more hostile regulatory and public environment. The backlash against the biggest tech companies has reached such heights that a new term has risen to describe it: techlash.

He also expresses concern about the rise of protectionism in the US and its impact on his former company’s culture. “A lot of strategic roles and higher-level roles were stripped away and pushed back to the US, and roles in Apac are diminished in agency,” he says.

continue reading the ultra-long article here...
https://www.straitstimes.com/life/goodbye-t...-their-benefits

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but previously tech people earn alot more, should already have tons of savings and make some investment no? problem is people think they will earn big forever, so buy civic in their mid 20s.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Nov 17 2024, 01:10 AM)
but previously tech people earn alot more, should already have tons of savings and make some investment no? problem is people think they will earn big forever, so buy civic in their mid 20s.
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how about new gen/fresh grads?
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 17 2024, 01:12 AM)
how about new gen/fresh grads?
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they are the victims of course. but for 40s that have nothing in their disposal for raining day, dude what are you doing?
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 17 2024, 12:58 AM)
He also expresses concern about the rise of protectionism in the US and its impact on his former company’s culture. “A lot of strategic roles and higher-level roles were stripped away and pushed back to the US, and roles in Apac are diminished in agency,” he says.
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This is actually very true.
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 17 2024, 01:16 AM)
This is actually very true.
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that is mostly big earner like singaporean problem, better just get american if the cost is just a bit higher.
for malaysia workers, uhhmmm yeah lets wait for a bit ya.
however, AI is major disruptor, low wage worker also hard to compete with it.

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Yea, the market is insanely competitive now

Senior used to earn 10k easily to now just mere 6k

Phew… that’s pretty sad
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Nov 17 2024, 01:18 AM)
that is mostly big earner like singaporean problem, better just get american if the cost is just a bit higher.
for malaysia workers, uhhmmm yeah lets wait for a bit ya.
however, AI is major disruptor, low wage worker also hard to compete with it.
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Another fella who doesn't know what he is talking about lol...

It's not about costs, it's about favouritism. Omputeh will always prefer their white skin over ours.. if it is about costs, they will prefer Bharat.

You never work in a proper MNC before, right? 😆 🤣
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 17 2024, 03:28 AM)
Another fella who doesn't know what he is talking about lol...

It's not about costs, it's about favouritism. Omputeh will always prefer their white skin over ours.. if it is about costs, they will prefer Bharat.

You never work in a proper MNC before, right? 😆 🤣
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its mostly about value, my dear. many have fallen to india, but some do came back, maybe the output provided were not as expected.
omputeh get the best position is true, but they have lost tons of low-level positions.
the company i work, always the regional leader ancam the workers to delivers, if not, succumb to india instead.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Nov 17 2024, 03:56 AM)
its mostly about value, my dear. many have fallen to india, but some do came back, maybe the output provided were not as expected.
omputeh get the best position is true, but they have lost tons of low-level positions.
the company i work, always the regional leader ancam the workers to delivers, if not, succumb to india instead.
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Ask yourself la, 1 omputeh cost can cover how many Bharats.

Those well paying positions will always go back to white skin land.
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Nov 17 2024, 03:26 AM)
Yea, the market is insanely competitive now

Senior used to earn 10k easily to now just mere 6k

Phew… that’s pretty sad
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is this for singapore?
sometime i felt it is "too good to be true" that the company i work do salary revision few time without being asked, are they really desperate on talent retention? what if they felt i am too expensive to keep, they can just kick me out without second doubt at all.
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QUOTE(differ @ Nov 17 2024, 04:00 AM)
Ask yourself la, 1 omputeh cost can cover how many Bharats.

Those well paying positions will always go back to white skin land.
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menwhile our imported bharat working here were being paid damn handsomely, so made me think are bharat operated in india being paid damn cheap compared to malaysian?
last company that i work we had indian team doing the same stuff as us,this team replacing our existing shanghai team, guess what, that india team kena tutup less than a year, we need to expand our team to cover up the shits lel.so we just expand our team by 5 people to replace around 10 people of those india team and it works just fine lel. laugh.gif

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Survival mode – How Singapore restaurants are riding a bumpy year

SINGAPORE – There is no way to sugar-coat this: 2024 has been a bad year for restaurants in Singapore. Chefs and owners who were predicting a tough year have found the going worse than they had dreaded.

The strong Singapore dollar has made the Republic expensive for tourists. People here are saving to spend overseas. The goods and services tax hike has made diners more wary of spending. People are going across the Causeway for groceries, haircuts, meals and entertainment.

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/food/surv...ng-a-bumpy-year

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Nov 17 2024, 04:06 AM)
menwhile our imported bharat working here were being paid damn handsomely, so made me think are bharat operated in india being paid damn cheap compared to malaysian?
last company that i work we had indian team doing the same stuff as us,this team replacing our existing shanghai team, guess what, that india team kena tutup less than a year, we need to expand our team to cover up the shits lel.so we just expand our team by 5 people to replace around 10 people of those india team and it works just fine lel. laugh.gif
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Malaysia not that cheap. Bharat cheaper. My company offshore mostly to Bharat, but these days not so much because can use AI


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QUOTE(Phoenix_KL @ Nov 17 2024, 04:35 AM)
Survival mode – How Singapore restaurants are riding a bumpy year

SINGAPORE – There is no way to sugar-coat this: 2024 has been a bad year for restaurants in Singapore. Chefs and owners who were predicting a tough year have found the going worse than they had dreaded.

The strong Singapore dollar has made the Republic expensive for tourists. People here are saving to spend overseas. The goods and services tax hike has made diners more wary of spending. People are going across the Causeway for groceries, haircuts, meals and entertainment.

https://www.straitstimes.com/life/food/surv...ng-a-bumpy-year
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To be honest he influx of foreigners to Singapore also ruin salary and perks demand

Those Indian from India come to sg as a gateway to other western countries so they don’t mind lower salary coz even the lower salary is higher than what they get in thier motherland

So sinkies complain about this for what. It’s already known the outcome if you outsource
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Nov 17 2024, 03:26 AM)
Yea, the market is insanely competitive now

Senior used to earn 10k easily to now just mere 6k

Phew… that’s pretty sad
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Senior exec earns 6k sgd ok what.

Mere meh?
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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 17 2024, 05:52 AM)
Senior exec earns 6k sgd ok what.

Mere meh?
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Nov 17 2024, 03:26 AM)
Yea, the market is insanely competitive now

Senior used to earn 10k easily to now just mere 6k

Phew… that’s pretty sad
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How come got deflation ? ohmy.gif

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QUOTE(God Grid @ Nov 17 2024, 03:26 AM)
Yea, the market is insanely competitive now

Senior used to earn 10k easily to now just mere 6k

Phew… that’s pretty sad
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Yep the pioneers earned more had better quality life stronger purchasing power. Technically young gen paying of derivative debt of old gen through inflation and over supply of talent.
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Nov 17 2024, 03:26 AM)
Yea, the market is insanely competitive now

Senior used to earn 10k easily to now just mere 6k

Phew… that’s pretty sad
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QUOTE(Mr.Robert @ Nov 17 2024, 07:48 AM)
How come got deflation ? ohmy.gif
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Your father era fresh grad rm2k
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QUOTE(mystalyzer @ Nov 17 2024, 05:03 AM)
Malaysia not that cheap. Bharat cheaper. My company offshore mostly to Bharat, but these days not so much because can use AI
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Bharat engineer earn more than us now.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Nov 17 2024, 01:10 AM)
but previously tech people earn alot more, should already have tons of savings and make some investment no? problem is people think they will earn big forever, so buy civic in their mid 20s.
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That is ok, big tech pays their fresh grads RM15k
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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Nov 17 2024, 05:47 AM)
To be honest he influx of foreigners to Singapore also ruin salary and perks demand

Those Indian from India come to sg as a gateway to other western countries so they don’t mind lower salary coz even the lower salary is higher than what they get in thier motherland

So sinkies complain about this for what. It’s already known the outcome if you outsource
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Doesn't work for big tech, they have governing ruling from the US where pay parity is important and pay discrimination is a big problem. So they will always have to maintain the right pay parity across.
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Nov 17 2024, 04:06 AM)
guess what, that india team kena tutup less than a year, we need to expand our team to cover up the shits lel.so we just expand our team by 5 people to replace around 10 people of those india team and it works just fine lel. laugh.gif
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why so fast tutup hmm.gif

QUOTE(knwong @ Nov 17 2024, 05:32 AM)
After RTS opens billions of retail spending will outflow to JB.
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what is the effects on business in SG?
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Everyone is in survival mode, and money is being spent on artificial intelligence data centres, not people
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what is the effects on business in SG?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5476559&hl=

Move to JB lo if they are smart to capture the business there
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menwhile our imported bharat working here were being paid damn handsomely, so made me think are bharat operated in india being paid damn cheap compared to malaysian?
last company that i work we had indian team doing the same stuff as us,this team replacing our existing shanghai team, guess what, that india team kena tutup less than a year, we need to expand our team to cover up the shits lel.so we just expand our team by 5 people to replace around 10 people of those india team and it works just fine lel. laugh.gif
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Because bharat are really good at carrying omputeh balls. And omputeh really love the feeling.

Talk more important than work.
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Supply and demand.

Sooner or later, stinkapore will implement protectionist policy to protect their locals.

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Money use to pay artificial data centre instead of people.

Which noob ktard says Sarawak should focus on data centre again?
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 17 2024, 11:18 AM)
why so fast tutup hmm.gif
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more like our client not satisfy with them lel.so the angmoh boss decide tutup saja and operate in malaysia alone enough.
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QUOTE(knwong @ Nov 17 2024, 11:23 AM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5476559&hl=

Move to JB lo if they are smart to capture the business there
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then habislah SG?
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Come on ..why ppl so pessimistic/insecure about ai on tech company .
It is not like ai going to replace all the dev job In the next decade .
I have not felt the pinch yet .if I do I would go home tanam jagong /keledek .

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QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 17 2024, 05:52 AM)
Senior exec earns 6k sgd ok what.

Mere meh?
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QUOTE(kenny B @ Nov 17 2024, 02:12 PM)
yes... 6k is not senior pay
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QUOTE(God Grid @ Nov 17 2024, 03:26 AM)
Yea, the market is insanely competitive now

Senior used to earn 10k easily to now just mere 6k

Phew… that’s pretty sad
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Become bus driver like me. Always constant maintain RM5.1k a month. Good life yo
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oh by the way, technology ppl still need quality assurance service job , u need someone to take care those coding, hardware and network stuff, but these job could be super limited
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Nov 17 2024, 01:10 AM)
but previously tech people earn alot more, should already have tons of savings and make some investment no? problem is people think they will earn big forever, so buy civic in their mid 20s.
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Here in Malaisya, paid 4k to do ALL WORK. Tqvm from boss
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QUOTE(zerorating @ Nov 17 2024, 04:03 AM)
is this for singapore?
sometime i felt it is "too good to be true" that the company i work do salary revision few time without being asked, are they really desperate on talent retention? what if they felt i am too expensive to keep, they can just kick me out without second doubt at all.
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not only for SG though, it's happening all over the world now

APAC, EMEA, USA... the golden era has passed

QUOTE(novblaze @ Nov 17 2024, 05:52 AM)
Senior exec earns 6k sgd ok what.

Mere meh?
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senior dev though, no more happy go lucky so syok like few years back

QUOTE(Mr.Robert @ Nov 17 2024, 07:48 AM)
How come got deflation ? ohmy.gif
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i guess the demand during pandemic was too much

that time it was overinflated, every company wants to hire tech people, so they willing to spend like they have unlimited money

but yea, at that time tech companies were doing extremely well, i was in a company from 2018 - 2022, before pandemic, they were only doing 80k-150k a month, then during 2021-2022, suddenly hit 300k-400k a month

QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Nov 17 2024, 08:12 AM)
Yep the pioneers earned more had better quality life stronger purchasing power. Technically young gen paying of derivative debt of old gen through inflation and over supply of talent.
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yea, the new gen is pretty fucked right now. they have to compete with the older gen that is willing to lower their expectations. having to work 3-4 jobs is pretty normal these days.

companies are happy now get to hire senior levels with junior pays

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QUOTE(God Grid @ Nov 17 2024, 05:18 PM)
i guess the demand during pandemic was too much
that time it was overinflated, every company wants to hire tech people, so they willing to spend like they have unlimited money
but yea, at that time tech companies were doing extremely well, i was in a company from 2018 - 2022, before pandemic, they were only doing 80k-150k a month, then during 2021-2022, suddenly hit 300k-400k a month
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The demand during pandemic was because only certain companies benefitted greatly. So they looked to hire/poach talent from other companies. This in turn made other companies lose talent and have gaps to fill. Thus an artificial demand was created.

Most of us in the industry knew this would be temporary and layoffs would happen shortly after. Overall though, the industry still pays very well.
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not only for SG though, it's happening all over the world now

APAC, EMEA, USA... the golden era has passed
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agree with this observation, overall the tech companies are on cost saving mode. very prudent on how they spend now, no more pandemic driven splurge.

now with Trump back to White House, not sure if it will create more uncertainties and how this will affect tech jobs.
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Goodbye to big tech’s big perks? S’pore workers say global techlash has come for their benefits

“With thousands of fresh grads being pumped out every year, I don’t think the demand will catch up to what it was,” Thomas says. “But the benefits, even though they are maybe 60 per cent of what they used to be, are still best in class.”

“It’s definitely getting worse. Everyone is in survival mode, and money is being spent on artificial intelligence data centres, not people,” says the former tech worker, who is in his early 40s.
Here's more inside:

It seems what is happening in most of these tech companies is what we call "Generation Disconnect"

Gen X(Late 40s into 50s beyond): are preparing for an earlier retirement, awarding themselves with all the promotions for their final years in employment to ensure they leave the company with the highest salary before their final golden years.

Gen Y(Millenials Late 30s into early 40s): Sandwiched in the middle because salary is already at peak, performance reducing due to age catching up, lack new ideas and cannot click with younger Gen Z and Alpha lifestyles. Still got at least 2-3 decades more to work before retirement. "
Mid Life Crisis"

Gen Z and Alpha(In late 20s and younger): Pumping out by thousands every year in desperate need of a job to join the workforce.Highly obsessed with social media and exposure.Some are children of Gen X and younger boomers. Need to be groomed to take over parents companies.

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 17 2024, 06:30 PM)
agree with this observation, overall the tech companies are on cost saving mode. very prudent on how they spend now, no more pandemic driven splurge.

now with Trump back to White House, not sure if it will create more uncertainties and how this will affect tech jobs.
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Employment with a fixed monthly paycheck will be a thing of the past with AI gaining more acceptance widely.

With employment your life's fate is in your employers control. If you are unfortunate and caught in the wrong times, your boss can end your career and livelihood by just terminating your employment.
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Singapore now is hurting so much.
Most of the MNC financial, IT job moved to India.
My Singapore friend shared service center also closing.
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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Nov 17 2024, 09:49 PM)
Singapore now is hurting so much.
Most of the MNC financial, IT job moved to India.
My Singapore friend shared service center also closing.
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so your friend kena retrenched?
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post Nov 17 2024, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Nov 17 2024, 09:49 PM)
Singapore now is hurting so much.
Most of the MNC financial, IT job moved to India.
My Singapore friend shared service center also closing.
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SPH Singapore recently did a big reshuffling of its IT Dept.

SPH Media Lays Off 10% of Tech Employees a Week After Denying Rumours
https://www.theedgesingapore.com/news/compa...denying-rumours
https://www.malaymail.com/news/singapore/20...-members/155768

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Nov 17 2024, 05:55 PM)
The demand during pandemic was because only certain companies benefitted greatly. So they looked to hire/poach talent from other companies. This in turn made other companies lose talent and have gaps to fill. Thus an artificial demand was created.

Most of us in the industry knew this would be temporary and layoffs would happen shortly after. Overall though, the industry still pays very well.
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true, good times won't last forever. eventually, things will normalise. I guess now things are starting to normalise. I guess I should be happy that I still get a WFH job. Can't complain already.

QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 17 2024, 06:30 PM)
agree with this observation, overall the tech companies are on cost saving mode. very prudent on how they spend now, no more pandemic driven splurge.

now with Trump back to White House, not sure if it will create more uncertainties and how this will affect tech jobs.
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indeed. Now all the great perks are gone. Used to get things like ESOP, work from anywhere, unlimited leaves, great insurance coverage, flexible allowance, etc and many more
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Nov 17 2024, 10:16 PM)
SPH Singapore recently did a big reshuffling of its IT Dept.

SPH Media Lays Off 10% of Tech Employees a Week After Denying Rumours
https://www.theedgesingapore.com/news/compa...denying-rumours
https://www.malaymail.com/news/singapore/20...-members/155768
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I knew a lot of SG tech jobs went to oversea such as India and Malaysia. Pity for them
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Nov 18 2024, 09:30 AM)
I knew a lot of SG tech jobs went to oversea such as India and Malaysia. Pity for them
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remotely, or the company move out from SG?
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 18 2024, 10:27 AM)
remotely, or the company move out from SG?
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The whole team or dept move out from SG

 

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