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 EPF for Foreigner? WHY?, High Interest Return for them too???

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diffyhelman2
post Oct 21 2024, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Oct 20 2024, 10:00 PM)
1 of the most Stupid thread in 2024.
EPF = forced Tax.
If you think EPF is your money, you are still deep sleep.

RM10000 today = Shit in 30 years later.
Just like how RM1000 you go back 30 years ago, you can do so much more.

EPF is just another kind of Tax. or Forced Loan
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If epf did not exist, you would already have used it to fund your business and likely lost it all by now. So no, it’s forced savings, as unpleasant as it sounds right now. You will appreciate it when you too old to work.
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post Oct 21 2024, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(mewhoyou @ Oct 21 2024, 11:19 AM)
By paying them more money to keep it for them? Can anyone help to give some info about CPF? How do they do it?
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Cpf in Singapore only pr have to pay into it. All other foreigners no pay cpf.
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post Oct 21 2024, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Oct 21 2024, 11:58 AM)
only recently....

20-30 years ago all workers had to contribute CPF...

Tun M quarreled with Singapore because billions of Malaysian money trapped inside CPF Singapore... only sabah sarawak people can withdraw from CPF once they left singapore then.
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not correct, 20 years ago, before I got PR i worked there, no CPF. after get PR then only start pay into CPF. the recent rule change is that they allow ALL PR to withdraw their CPF once they leave the country. including west malaysia.

before 1995, certain categories of EP holders (basically those earning professional salary level) need (but obviously this wont cover lowest manual labor bangla and maid).

https://leongmunwai.sg/cpf-amendment-bill/#...reign%20workers.
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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Oct 21 2024, 12:13 PM)
Contribute to EPF = Contribution to Nation. Thats all for me
Nothing to do with my life.

I never plan my life and future around EPF.
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later once you reach 55 or 60, they change the rule and don't allow whole sum withdrawal, only allow monthly withdrawal like SG, I am sure you will be one of those that KPKB here open thread.

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post Oct 21 2024, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Cookie101 @ Oct 21 2024, 12:32 PM)
Everybody so that people who remains in the country cannot withdraw until they decided to leave the country… the same principles apply to all foreigners working in Singapore
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Foreigners in SG no pay into CPF, only PR and citizen.

That said, even SG people voiced concern that employers would favor hiring foreigners since they dont need to pay to CPF (and thus cheaper). likely one of the reasons madani imposed this EPF rule for foreigners. after all how many time you hear grumblings here that employers hire bangla cuz cheaper than local?

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But even in 1995, there was already concern that exempting foreign workers, especially EP holders, from CPF contributions would have negative impacts on Singaporean workers, especially the middle-ranking PMETs, because employers would benefit from lower wage costs when they employ new foreign staff.

An article in The Straits Times on 15 July 1995 noted that Singaporean workers would become less competitive against foreigners if employers do not make up for all, or some, of the CPF foregone by the foreign worker, especially if the foreigner was here on local terms. Even the then-Menteri Besar of Johor, Mr Abdul Ghani Othman, expressed his concern that the rule change would make Singapore a more attractive place to work for Malaysians, especially those from Johor.


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post Oct 21 2024, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Oct 21 2024, 12:45 PM)
Hopefully yes together with minimum wage hike ppl get weaned off the cheap foreign labour drug. But even at 1.5K and the numerous hassles and levies etc, some factories still turn to foreigners in droves.
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ayam most curious the effect they have on those coffeeshop and resto bangla and myanmar. unless the EPF contribution rate is lower than local rate, employers now have to factor in a minimum extra 12% extra into the gross pay, unless they can convince the workers that ("even though your take home pay is lower, but the money is still yours to withdraw once you leave").
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post Oct 21 2024, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Oct 21 2024, 01:07 PM)
Coffee shop I feel using lots of illegals ler haha

But they might be getting more than minimum also. I remember post mco there was a shortage of workers so won't be surprised if some offered more to pinch staff
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yea but even if they are getting more than minimum, with mandatory EPF, their celery now faces a large withholding of their gross pay . and since many of the resto are licensed and openly using many foreigners, doubt all of them are illegal.
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post Oct 21 2024, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(freakingringo @ Oct 21 2024, 02:01 PM)
Malaysian working in Singapore also had to wait until 55 years old even they already stop working there and working in malaysia..
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Had* but since last year no more. And it was only West malaysia becoz the excuse they give is that west Malaysia can very easily return to sg to work again.
QUOTE(Blackscreamerz @ Oct 21 2024, 11:32 AM)
Frankly, collecting from expat is a form of desperation if you ask me.

EPF function is for retirement. You expect the expat to retire meh? Doesnt make common sense to ask them to contribute.
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Why not see it from the angle that it is equalizing the pay conditions for locals and foreigners. So foreign workers no longer cheaper to hire simply because no need pay epf in their celery.

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