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TSSKYjack
post Oct 12 2024, 11:34 AM, updated 4 months ago

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Need a city drive car. Just to market and eating out purpose. Dont need to consider outstation drive. Not too big but reasonable space to carry items at the back with fold down seats. I am a retire, only me & wife.

Considering Ativa and waiting for the launch of Perodua Nexus. Am told Nexus is slightly bigger, may be more suitable. However i do like the height of the Ativa. Welcome comments. Tks!

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post Oct 13 2024, 11:29 AM

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Thank you all for your replies & suggestions.
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post Oct 13 2024, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Kasawari 2 @ Oct 12 2024, 11:57 AM)
Depends on how much is in yr EPF.
Otherwise, just get used car.
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Living expenses is not an issue, am very comfortable. I do like new technology, so a used car does not interest me. The winner at the moment for me is actually the X50. However trying to scaldown to something smaller.
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post Oct 13 2024, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(afoka @ Oct 12 2024, 12:25 PM)
Installment or leasing...can try kinto if want to lease Perodua or Toyota cars. Ativa seems good choice, but if for buying wet stock like fish and meat, rather have proper trunk like sedan car coz of the smell.
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Am looking at installment, can afford $1K/month. Wet stock transportation not an issue, as quantity is always small, only me & wife. I always leave wet stock in a small container & wash it when I get home.

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post Oct 13 2024, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 12 2024, 12:51 PM)
ativa is fine... go for it

my kid's fren family got 3 ativas... lol...
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This car ticks all my boxes.
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post Oct 13 2024, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(COOLPINK @ Oct 13 2024, 11:46 AM)
If i were you i wait for the Nexis.

Price different should not be much maybe around +10k.
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Yes I have decided to wait for the Nexis. Very good write up on engine & gb. It may be worth the additonal $10K!
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post Oct 13 2024, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Oct 12 2024, 01:11 PM)
||Ativa AV|Nexus|WRV S|
Price (K)73?90
Length406543104060
Width171017701780
Height163516151576
Wheelbase252526202485
Kg1035? 1108
Engine1.0T1.5NA1.5NA
HP97105121
Nm140138145
Bootspace (L)369452380
Rims (inches) 16-1717-1816-17
Ground clearance185210207

Nexus is definitely priced above Ativa as a full B-segment SUV (with higher ground clearance). Most buyers are actually waiting for the hybrid which is likely to br parked under Toyota badge possibly bringing the price over 100K.

The lower range P2 variants should remain competitive vs other brands like Honda WRV or the ridiculous DOA Hyundai Creta.

Do note that if Nexus comes with NA engine, you lose the addictive low rpm max 140Nm torque from the turbocharged Ativa perfect for city drives.

Also I couldn't get an accurate data for Nexus weight. This is important if the myvi 2nr-ve 1.5NA is used in conjunction with Daihatsu's DCVT that has a max 150Nm rating hence the engine torque cannot exceed 140Nm. Some P2 models using this engine/cvt combo
Myvi 1000kg - power ok
Alza 1150kg - 2 pax ok full load no power
Aruz 1300kg - with ancient 4AT, severely underpowered.
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Tqvm for this feedback. Very useful. Am able to make a good study before purchase.
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post Oct 14 2024, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(zuozi @ Oct 13 2024, 11:53 AM)
For my choice is easy
I always choose 4 cylinder natural aspect over 3 cylinder+turbo so my choice will be the what nexis?nexus?
Because i don't like 3 cylinder and turbocharger in my personal vehicle.

Since only you and your wife , my self also married and childless, i don't need those instant torque speed from turbocharger etc like people nowadays everything also need in racing mode .
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Hahaha....well said. My wife & I are senior citizens, certainly dont have the need for speed. Much more joy playing with grand children.... biggrin.gif

I do like modern technology but am not going to jump in blindly. Your right its Nexis. I like the 1.5NA engine, regarded bullet proof. The Dcvt is supposed to be much improved in performance & fc. Plesently surprised the cargo space is larger than X50!

Definitely waiting to see what this model has to offer.

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post Oct 15 2024, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Oct 14 2024, 10:29 AM)
Really depends on your pocket and also your family/body size.
If got cash and bigger size for sure Nexus is the more better choice. It is also knew as Yaris Cross at oversea and you can google it to see the interior & exterior design. Our local Perodua mostly just modify some minor changes, but it will be very similar.
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Am comfortable up to a $100k. Have been following the Nexis closely on utube mainly. Waiting on release in Malaysia. Will give both Nexis & Ativa a close look before final decision.
However am leaning towards the Nexis. Prefer 4cylinder non turbo engine!
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post Oct 17 2024, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(JON97 @ Oct 15 2024, 11:45 PM)
X50 or wait for Nexis. Ativa is already 3 years old "soon" to be facelift.

3 cylinders like in X70 when its new you cant feel much. But after XX thousand KM you can feel it.

Also, Perodua is much more cheaper to maintain in the long run and having more tech in your car can be troublesome and costly to fix too.

The wise choice is. Down to your preferences and need. If you can save, just save and use the money on something else. Like tinted etc
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Certainly am waiting on the Nexis. If there's a facelift Ativa, good news. I can wait another year before making my choice.




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post Oct 20 2024, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(judesh @ Oct 18 2024, 07:26 AM)
Considering your requirements, why not get an  EV? Perfect for town and occasional outstation trips..
I'm retired too and had an Ativa for 18 months... Changed to MG4 in April and can't be happier...
The Ativa is great value but be aware of a few things..
1. Need to get used to waiting 2.5-3 hrs for service
2. Start stop button n dashcam started having problems... Of course replaced under warranty but u have to go through wait times again... Once to report, another time during replacement...looking at the popularity of perodua, maybe qc going down?
3. Started to feel vibration from the 3 pot after 15-16 months.. Will it get worse?
4.Have they settled the windscreen? .. Nightmare to drive behind lorries especially on the Elite... Worried if stone will smash my windscreen...

My Mg4 costs 7-8sen per km vs 16sen for Ativa... Service every 12 months or 24k km, minimal charges, Ativa every 6 months, 10k km..
Range anxiety? Maybe if you make 400km trips very often... I do day trips melaka kl 2-3x per month.... Charge full the night before in my house... Stop at Petronas rnr seremban on the way back, topup 28% to 50% in 10 mins, cost me RM15.... Reach home still got 27%.... Less tired compared to in the Ativa, even wife says so... It's a C segment vs A segment Ativa
Used to drive1800-2000 km per month in Ativa, now 2300-2500km...always finding excuse to drive..
ACC on highway miles better because of the instant torque and will continue even after u come to complete stop.. Ativa ACC disengages below 50kmh...
Instant torque just makes it easier getting out of junctions so perfect around town..
OPD... Nah this one you just have to try.. Easier on the ankles and prolongs your brake pad life.. Don't think I'll ever go back to a car without this..
Many others too...
Of course I miss
1. the higher seating position making getting in and out of the car easier
2. No BSM, front sensors and reverse cam... My Mg4 std don't have but the lux has it

Maybe can wait for Proton EV also..

Anyway, this is my experience... Put aside what you heard from all the Experts about EVs and go talk to real owners... Go for a real test drive 
then make your decision.. It will be eye opening..
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Tqvm for this highly valuable feedback. Appreciate this very much!

My 1st consideration was MG4, its still in the back burner. The car is a bit low, more sporty like. Wife has great difficulty getting in & out of low cars. So it would be rather cumbersome being the daily runaround. Just on this issue, which is a big one, since it would be everytime we wanted to go out, decided a SUV will be better suited.

Just recently am facing another issue why an EV may not be suitable. Have decided to sell my house to live in a condo & have already booked a beautiful sea view unit. Very often just lockup the house to visit children,one in Singapore & the other in Penang. As such condo dwelling is more suitable for us. Besides I'm really sick of maintaining my garden at present..... laugh.gif
The issue now is home charging. My initial approach to the developer on this matter has not been successful. I understand wall chargers can be installed even in condo's. Presently gathering as much info as I can to approach condo management ones condo is built.

Ativa at the moment ticks all the boxes. Price & height of this vehicle are major factors. The vehicle being narrow makes parking, especially back parking, effordless. Small size yet sufficient space when seats are folded, to carry large items. I am aware of the 3 cyl rattle. For this reason am waiting on the Nexis! Dont really like the start/stop feature, will probably deactivate it.

If I cant istall a home charger at the condo, EV is definately off. Will make by choice between Ativa & Nexis.

BTW how much is regular service & ,major service on MG4? Am also considering the Neta X, which is a bit large for my purpose. This being an SUV suits my requirement.

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post Oct 20 2024, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Oct 19 2024, 08:32 PM)
MG4 over 100K? Thats an additional 30K budget over Ativa AV or over 40% increase. Plenty of other options in that price bracket.

Any idea if P1 or P2 EVs be priced below 100K?
Thinking of getting a small EV with 500km range on the newer LFP batteries used by models like Dolphin. Preferbly with 8 yr battery warranty.
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40% extra cost is no problem for me. The question for me is it worth the additional 40%? My requirement will be purely city drive. As such EV may be better!
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post Oct 20 2024, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 19 2024, 09:49 PM)
main problem nowadays... want small cannot have range... want range cannot be small...

no doubt p1 n p2 will be competitive...
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This will not be an issue for me. I will only use it for city drive, back home for charge. Many times at home the whole day.

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post Oct 21 2024, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Oct 20 2024, 02:40 PM)
Here's some SUVs that are EV below between 100-200K

ModelPrice (K)
Neta X400120
Aion Y+120-136
MG ZX127
Omoda E5147
Atto3150
Leapmotor C10159
Xpeng G6165-185
Smart #1169
Smart #3175
EX30189
MX-30199
Model Y199
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Tq good table.
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post Oct 21 2024, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 20 2024, 05:10 PM)
yeah... problem currently there is no small enough ev suv imho... ppl wants it big bc of perceived value and functionality and range...

i want something like the byd seagull... ativa size ev would be nice...
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Yes exactly, I'm also looking for an SUV of that size. I think it will come. Battrey technology is advancing at such great speed, we'll see some very good ones soon.
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post Oct 21 2024, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(hjack @ Oct 20 2024, 06:16 PM)
Just chip in... I visited the Byd M6 launch event. The sales told me Atto 3 is running at 130k at present. 2023 Dolphin is 90 ~ 114, only white units left though. Seal dynamic is 150k.

I do agree with you that without a home charger, EV is not really practical.
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Yes I got to slove this home charger issue. The good news is wall charger units are being installed at condos. There is still hope. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 21 2024, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Oct 20 2024, 06:25 PM)
2026, RM70-90K?
Hopefully with > 50kWh battery by then.
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Apparently below 100K price is possible now. Government has placed 100K celling, protecting local auto industry. Safe & longer range batts are already available.
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post Oct 23 2024, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(kelvinfixx @ Oct 21 2024, 05:45 PM)
Altiva is a okay car but it vibrate more compare to x50. Both 3 pot engine but x50 is certainly more refine.

Nexis will only launch at lest 1 year from now if that ever happen.
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Both the cars are in my list. Have tested both, of course the X50 is better with much more to offer. I'm not sure i need all those extras. The Ativa ticks all the boxes.

The 3cyl engine on both the cars is a concern. X50 engine is basically Volvo design. Ativa engine is Toyota. Both my test cars were brand new & such did not display any roughness. I understand the engineering concept on 3cyl engines, hence the vibrtion/roughness in due course of time. Going by my past experience, I have found Japs engines to be a lot more refined.


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post Oct 26 2024, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(saiga @ Oct 26 2024, 10:56 AM)
Hi TS,

Even though u can't charge at your condo you can still charge outside and use that opportunity to spend the time wife your wife. There's a lot of place/mall to hang out while waiting for the car to be charged.

I myself planning to retire early and already decided to buy 2 door coupe for me and my wife. Already used high seating position car (MPV) for more than 10 years so feel kinda boring. Guess human will never be satisfied lol.
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Thats is true, now there are quite a number of charge points in a few places. However I looked at cost factor. Its interesting buying energy from any of these places comes to same cost as petrol. Some even slightly more.
Hear's a breakdown -
1KW energy cost roughly RM1 and yeilds 5KM drive on EV. 1KW home charge cost roughly RM0.55.
RM1 ringgit of Ron95 also dives roughly 5km.

So can see if I was to charge out side, cost it the same as ICE engine. Defeats the purpose of owning EV.

Good luck on your 2door coupe. I've gone through that phase.
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post Nov 6 2024, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(jlkh760830 @ Oct 27 2024, 11:04 PM)
Nexus or Yaris Cross still a decent Car,
In my opinion, just wait for Perodua Malaysia to be launch soon from now ....


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I'd pick Nexis over Atva purely on the 4cyl engine. Don't need turbo power for city & 4cyl engine is smoother.

Have decided to wait for Nexis before final decision.

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