nothing happened after that. it only means whatever the cafes tried to prove, was futile and that SMM is right, i.e. not a scam.

scam or no scam, cafes are making a profit off Blizzard games and Blizzard should be entitled to a cut of the profits, paid to SMM.

anyhow, this isnt the right place to discuss. most of us are gamers here and might not know how to advise you properly. you should try the cari forums though, plenty of info there.

good luck!

Strace, my personal opinon is that if these distributor do that, they must have some right if not they would not do it. I don't think they dare to do it like not paying the orang putih or dare to do the server unless the orang putih allow it. If they do illegal, the orang putih would come after them. So far they still got right every year, I think. So, I think all the problem come about because of the money amount and not whether they should or should not pay. How I wish if we can buy a BMW at Proton price. The original box set game is so expensive above $100 and the pirate is only $5-$10. If I do business, I would not buy the cheap pirate lah after kena raided. I think if cc pay promptly to EA or Counrter-Strike or SMM nothing would happen. I got a fren who settle a case with Microsoft. The Microsoft also do the same thing to private companies about the Open license system or something like that only that Microsoft is for office software and not game software. I think game software different system. Need to check with some fren.

Strace, is good that you show d doc. Do it asap. We need real answer. I n some gamer fren intend to buy over a small CC of 25-30 pc but so far put on hold because of this. Want to have CC where real serious gamer can hang out n talk abt games n not allow some school boys to go in n make noise. I think the distrbutor would have pay the game owner first and for them to collect back their money through license to CC. This is what I heard today from a fren working in co selling game-card. I don't think the orang putih is blind or don't know what is going on. I think money must be paid but just how much. Many game title outside but only WC is most popular. So, that muist be why SMM license it at a BMW price and not a Proton price. I think d orang putih also know this and ask a lot of $$$ from SMM. All this SMM-bashing and discussion is good becoz allow SMM to know what market feels but then cannot break law if not get raided. Cheers to Strace for help!

Eh Brother Quazacolt, please don't be so personal. We all want to be "very sure" when dealing with this nasty fella SMM. I am just very concern. I read the thread but still heard/seen SMM can raid recently. Recent Klang raid proof this. How can they raid if they got no right? One wrong move, finish lah. Pls understand. I can bet SMM people also look at this forum and checking up on us. We can keep on hentam in the forum but cannot do any real things. We got no real information only hear what other people say. Not enough. We all support Strace and what he/she is doing. Keep it up. Try to find the doc in the thread but cannot locate it. Can help? Can pos it again? Would appreciate the help. I can get some fren to help look at it. They work in Cyberjaya agency and meeting some of them later for some snooker. I will post their comments.

edinhoven doesn't know before that so its reasonable he responded in that manner. Its ok now that he is trying understand the situation. SMM can raid it because it could be true that the cc owner do not have the original copies of the game. Did I mentioned that even though you have the equal amount of original copies to your PC amount, you are still obligated to sign the agreement and pay the amount according to the fake agreement stated or else face the consequences? So what choices do we have? Buy original and pay or pay only? Which is cheaper?

BTW damn that guy who posted those proofs beat me in first, now I am uncertain whether I want to continue my effort but at least there is some development now. Respect!!!

I still cant believe how a typical ah pek company like SMM can get distribution rights from Blizzard.

Remember what SMM used to do few years ago?
Distributing cheaplak hokkien karoke and CNY vcd, local TV series VCD, badly subtitled 80s anime, power rangers, ultraman VCD.

I am no longer playing this game with SMM. As far as I am concerned, SMM is no longer an issue. Since there are still many disgrunted cc about SMM, I will share some info that I know.

Hubei is a French guy and not chinese. I don't have his full name. You have to check it out yourself. In 2002, there was this cc group called Depsima led by a MCA fella from Cheras MCA called LBK, who was once Pikom chairman. He failed miserably fighting for us. He also got some documents but Blizzard kill all arguments and issues. If you are fighting Blizzard and their business policy, forget it. I still remember what Hubei told LBK in Marriot. Blizzard says "SMM doing a very good job pushing WC in Malaysia and making the game popular here. So, what is the problem? CC must pay if they are all making money from WC. CC cannot buy 1 original box and make thousands of dollars every year from it without paying SMM who has paid Blizzard in advance". We got no answer to that. We gave up. Depisma closed and everyone who forms part of the group went their own way. Like I said earlier, your current approach will not solve cc problem. In fact, you will become a target for SMM to raid. SMM will go after all cc who has not paid them or those who go against them. I took the other way out. Instead of fighting SMM, I stop SMM from attacking me. I stopped using WC. The only way is to make WC unpopular. If this happens, SMM will fall like a dead meat.

IGames is SMM's gang. They got the right because of SMM. IGames have closed and SMM took over. Before that, Adspace. Adspace got it from anor Singapore company. Never ending story because SMM would still get the right at the end of the day. SMM is the biggest game distributor in M'sia. You all have to admit it. They have money and muscles. Once you have that kind of money, you can hire any gunslinger to do your dirty job.

As for Hubei again, the last time I heard from my Singapore partner is that Hubei left Blizzard to join EA. I also heard Vivendi have left Blizzard and Vivendi has merge with Activision. This leaves Blizzard alone and they are just too busy making biliions with WOW online. For Malaysia, to them it is a god damn small market with backward technology.
My advise to all of you is that - stop letting SMM come to you. Stop SMM from having a reason to attack you. Make them a small fry by stop playing WC. Once this happens, SMM will come and beg you and maybe sell you the cybercafe license for $10.