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 It seems TM Unifi has finally implemented, transparent DNS proxy

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post Sep 7 2024, 09:34 PM

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I'd like to also cautiously +1 that Unifi appears to have walked back their changes.

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QUOTE(aniq8676 @ Sep 7 2024, 06:27 PM)
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📢 [INFO] Dialog Terbuka Bersama Suruhanjaya Komunikasi dan Multimedia Malaysia (MCMC) 📢
MCMC akan mengadakan dialog terbuka mengenai isu sekatan DNS kepada semua pengguna internet. Kepada yang berminat dan prihatin, anda dijemput hadir untuk bersama-sama berbincang dan mendapatkan maklumat lanjut.
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Funny or not....suddenly got public consultation, last minute pula tu........

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post Sep 7 2024, 10:54 PM

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using the google dns in both router settings and network adapter , and secure dns on chrome seems to be working for now .. better use the time to download the needed programs ... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(mhyug @ Sep 6 2024, 10:33 PM)
NEWS FLASH: suddenly all has been unblocked. BUT dont know perma or somethng else brewing
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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Sep 6 2024, 11:13 PM)
Why didn't they announce it before doing it? Would have saved businesses from the financial losses.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Sep 6 2024, 11:36 PM)
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Officially, it was TM Unfi Fibre who unilaterally imposed additional DoH and DoT hijacking of the common Public DNS servers, eg Google8888, Cloudflare1111 and Quad9999, 2 days ago, not MCMC, who only mandated/ordered the ISPs to impose Tansparent DNS Proxy blocking, as per .......

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...roviders/146480 - 2024 Aug 9 - MCMC responds to allegations of DNS tampering by Malaysian internet service providers
KUALA LUMPUR, Aug 9 — The Malaysian Communications and Multimedia Commission (MCMC) has issued a statement following recent reports that Malaysian internet service providers (ISP) had quietly forced all internet traffic to their local DNS servers. As reported earlier, several ISPs have implemented Transparent DNS Proxy, which prevents Malaysian users from accessing blocked sites even if they use alternative DNS such as Google Public DNS and Cloudflare. ...

Following the report by Sinar Project, we verified the claims by testing several blocked websites on several ISPs while using Google and Cloudflare DNS. We noticed that the forced redirection to local DNS was in effect for Time, Maxis, U Mobile, CelcomDigi and Unifi. ....


It's likely that TM Unifi Fibre has realized their mistake and inadvertent negative impact on many businesses/enterprises = undo their DoH/DoT hijacking.

In the first place, why did TM Unifi Fibre did all that and U-Turned, when the other ISPs did not.?, ie imposed DoH/DoT hijacking.
....... Will TM Unifi Fibre do it again by a certain date after informing all their Business subscribers of their intention to impose DoH/DoT hijacking.?

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P S - This reminds me of the Crowdstrike fiasco.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 12:32 AM)
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CHRONOLOGY: .......

- since PM6 Najib era - MCMC mandated all the ISPs to block blacklisted or undesirable (eg prawn) websites through their DNS servers which are the default DNS servers for their subscribers. This blocking could be bypassed by tech-savvy subscribers manually selecting their own Public DNS server, either in their OS or browser Setting, eg Google8888, Cloudflare1111, etc. Alternately tech-savvy subscribers could encrypt their DNS traffic by manually selecting Secure DNS (= DoH or DNS over HTTPS) for privacy and security purposes. ISPs can't see encrypted/Secure Public DNS servers.
....... IT admins could even set up their own Secure Private DNS server.

- Early Aug 2024 - PMX's MCMC quietly mandated all the ISPs to impose Transparent DNS Proxy blocking (= DNS blocking) to stop subscribers from using their own (unencrypted) common Public DNS server, eg Google8888, Cloudflare1111, etc. DoH and DoT (= DNS over TLS) were unaffected by this type of blocking. Eg .......
https://imap.sinarproject.org/news/internet...lic-dns-servers - Internet Censorship Update: Transparent DNS Proxy Implemented by Malaysian ISPs on Cloudflare and Google Public DNS Servers
Transparent DNS Proxy Implemented by Malaysian ISPs on Cloudflare and Google Public DNS Servers
6th August 2024 - how to bypass the blocking with DoH


- 2 days ago - TM Unifi Fibre quietly started to impose additional (IP) blocking by hijacking the IP addresses of the commonly used encrypted/Secure Public DNS servers of DoH and DoT, eg Google8888, Cloudflare1111, Quad9999 and Adguard. This was done by TM region by region starting with Klang Valley. Yesterday night, more regions were affected. This sudden move by TM negatively affected many Business subscribers who employ tech-savvy IT admins, eg to secure their DNS servers with DoH or DoT from Cloudflare1111.

- Last night, ie around 10.30pm Friday 06 Sep, TM U-Turned and undid their additional IP blocking of the common Public DNS servers of DoH and DoT. ....
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QUOTE((aniq8676 @ Sep 7 2024, 09:10 PM)
When someone asked about the DNS issue,
their response
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110409751 - Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadband Thread V42

= MCMC ordered TM to U-turn or undo their IP blocking.?
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 10:54 PM)
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110409751 - Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadband Thread V42

= MCMC ordered TM to U-turn or undo their IP blocking.?
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probably undo because people complaining left and right , then later on will implement back ....
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 10:54 PM)
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110409751 - Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadband Thread V42

= MCMC ordered TM to U-turn or undo their IP blocking.?
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Next GE my hands will have 'technical issue' accidentally voting PN
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post Sep 7 2024, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(failed.hashcheck @ Sep 7 2024, 10:59 PM)
Next GE my hands will have 'technical issue' accidentally voting PN
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cyberbully berkesan. doh/dot already working. at least on biz account la
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 12:44 PM)
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Will it be better for the 20+ of you holistically if PN/PAS/Bersatu win GE16 in 2027/28.?, eg whole Malaysia becomes like Kelantan.?

It's the choice of the lesser evil.
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At least we're gonna get a competent oppo if PH is the oppo compared to what we're having right now, a useless oppo.
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024 @ 12:44 PM)
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Will it be better for the 20+ of you holistically if PN/PAS/Bersatu win GE16 in 2027/28.?, eg whole Malaysia becomes like Kelantan.?

It's the choice of the lesser evil.
QUOTE(X_F@cT0R @ Sep 7 2024, 11:08 PM)
At least we're gonna get a competent oppo if PH is the oppo compared to what we're having right now, a useless oppo.
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But the competent oppo in PH will be opposing a worse PAS-led Federal government (like the Taliban.?), will this be better for the 20+ of them.?

Of course, others may prefer this, eg some Malay voters.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 11:32 PM)
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But the competent oppo in PH will be opposing a worse PAS-led Federal government (like the Taliban.?), will this be better for the 20+ of them.?

Of course, others may prefer this, eg some Malay voters.
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When you have a competent oppo like PH, the gov wouldn't dare to do something stupid because they're still politicians, and need to get the votes from all the people, especially from the nons. As we know, we need each other, Malay needs the nons and the nons need Malay to form a gov or else, hang parliament again.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 12:44 PM)
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Will it be better for the 20+ of you holistically if PN/PAS/Bersatu win GE16 in 2027/28.?, eg whole Malaysia becomes like Kelantan.?

It's the choice of the lesser evil.
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newsflash, PAS was government before

Malaysia is Kelantan already?
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post Sep 7 2024, 11:49 PM

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Latest News Update: .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...es-mcmc-assures - 2024/09/07 - DNS -redirection-by- ISPs -will-not-compromise-access-to-safe-websites, MCMC -assures

https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2...ohibitedcontent - 2024/09/07 - MCMC -to-quarantine-rather-than-block-websites-with-minimal-prohibited content
.... MCMC also assured that it would not block the download and use of virtual private networks (VPNs). VPNs are a privacy tool commonly used to prevent tracking on the Internet. ...
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 11:49 PM)
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Latest News Update: .......

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...es-mcmc-assures - 2024/09/07 - DNS -redirection-by- ISPs -will-not-compromise-access-to-safe-websites,  MCMC -assures

https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2...ohibitedcontent - 2024/09/07 - MCMC -to-quarantine-rather-than-block-websites-with-minimal-prohibited content
.... MCMC also assured that it would not block the download and use of virtual private networks (VPNs). VPNs are a privacy tool commonly used to prevent tracking on the Internet. ...
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QUOTE((lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 11:32 PM)
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But the competent oppo in PH will be opposing a worse PAS-led Federal government (like the Taliban.?), will this be better for the 20+ of them.?

Of course, others may prefer this, eg some Malay voters.
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QUOTE(X_F@cT0R @ Sep 7 2024, 11:44 PM)
When you have a competent oppo like PH, the gov wouldn't dare to do something stupid because they're still politicians, and need to get the votes from all the people, especially from the nons. As we know, we need each other, Malay needs the nons and the nons need Malay to form a gov or else, hang parliament again.
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Not if the Malay-voters are united behind one Malay-led political coalition like BN during PM4 Mahathir's era. .......

https://dayakdaily.com/national-direction-i...n-parliament/  - “Nation’s direction is set by Peninsular Malay-majority seats in Parliament” - May 28, 2020
KUCHING, May 28: Malays in Peninsular Malaysia will continue to dictate the political bearing of the country as they form the majority in 57 per cent or 128 out of Parliament’s 222 seats, opines Universiti Putra Malaysia political scientist, Prof Dr Jayum Jawan.

As such, he pointed out, the non-Malays have no bearing on any political processes in the country.

“The non-Malays have no bearing in these political processes because the Chinese have only 37 majority seats (sic) in the current 222-seat Malaysian Parliament while the Malays in Peninsular Malaysia have 128 majority seats (sic) out of 222 seats in the Malaysian Parliament.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 11:55 PM)
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Not if the Malay-voters are united behind one Malay-led political coalition like BN during PM4 Mahathir's era. .......

https://dayakdaily.com/national-direction-i...n-parliament/  - “Nation’s direction is set by Peninsular Malay-majority seats in Parliament” - May 28, 2020
KUCHING, May 28: Malays in Peninsular Malaysia will continue to dictate the political bearing of the country as they form the majority in 57 per cent or 128 out of Parliament’s 222 seats, opines Universiti Putra Malaysia political scientist, Prof Dr Jayum Jawan.

As such, he pointed out, the non-Malays have no bearing on any political processes in the country.

“The non-Malays have no bearing in these political processes because the Chinese have only 37 majority seats (sic) in the current 222-seat Malaysian Parliament while the Malays in Peninsular Malaysia have 128 majority seats (sic) out of 222 seats in the Malaysian Parliament.

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Because we don't have that luxury like Mahathir's era we need each other to form a gov. There's no single party that could get 2/3 seats like BN back then so the PAS will go full taliban is not possible. There's no way Bersatu would agree with PAS if PAS wants to go full taliban sweat.gif
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QUOTE(mhyug @ Sep 7 2024, 08:29 PM)
well they backpedal ke uturn ke spin like fidget spinner ke, as long as the current status quo of not blocking dns remains im ok.
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Nobody uturned anything. Fahmi is doubling down

Tm couldn’t handle the dns requests so had to temporarily stop

Maxis and time has implemented it since the 2nd and not turned it off since

Tm just gonna upgrade its servers or allow tls to work
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QUOTE((jasontanky @ Sep 7 2024, 03:28 PM)
DNS Hijacking (Redirection) implementation

DNS over Plaintext completely banned, DoT and DoH not affected
Celcom: Block port 53 completely except its own DNS servers
Digi: Redirect all traffic for port 53 to its own DNS servers

DNS over Plaintext partially banned, DoT and DoH not affected
Maxis: Redirect port 53 of well known DNS IPs to its DNS servers. Less well known one still works fine

DNS of all types partially banned
Unifi: DNS of mainstream providers (CF, Google, OpenDNS, Adguard, and etc) got banned including DoT and DoH. Less well known one still able to use even in plaintext mode

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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110408261 - Time and Maxis started to hijack dns query
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QUOTE((mhyug @ Sep 7 2024 @ 08:29 PM)
well they backpedal ke uturn ke spin like fidget spinner ke, as long as the current status quo of not blocking dns remains im ok.
QUOTE(sadlyfalways @ Sep 8 2024, 12:01 AM)
Nobody uturned anything. Fahmi is doubling down

Tm couldn’t handle the dns requests so had to temporarily stop

Maxis and time has implemented it since the 2nd and not turned it off since

Tm just gonna upgrade its servers or allow tls to work
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Above repost fyi.
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Are you sure Maxis and Time have implemented additional IP blocking or DNS hijacking to disable DoH and DoT since 2 Sep and not turn it off since, like what TM had done on 4 Sep 2024 but U-turned or turned it off at 10:10pm, Friday, 6 Sep 2024.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Sep 8 2024, 12:21 AM
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"to protect its people from accessing illicit and dangerous sites, including online gambling dens, pornographic sites, and investment scams"

User is smart enough to use alternative DNS server but still dumb can't protect themselves from dangerous and scams site?

Am I missing something??
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 7 2024, 11:49 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2024...es-mcmc-assures - 2024/09/07 - DNS -redirection-by- ISPs -will-not-compromise-access-to-safe-websites,  MCMC -assures
Sigh. I suppose I should prepare for Telegram to fall soon...



In other news...

Telegram poses national security threat to Ukraine — Budanov

According to Budanov, military intelligence research has confirmed that Telegram is currently the primary source of information for the Ukrainian public.



Therefore...


“Telegram is harmful. I have never been afraid to say this. It is a threat to our national security. I am stating this very clearly, and we have even documented it,” Budanov said.


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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Sep 7 2024, 07:01 PM)
is it just me or telegram people/group nearby doesn't work anymore?
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