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SportyHandling
post Aug 17 2024, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(SasuKopa @ Aug 17 2024, 10:23 AM)
Getting my ignite next week and looking to buy tempered glass for it, but seems like most sold online are for the smaller screen version.
I'm just wondering are the shapes of both different or same?

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Just saw your post on the Mazda thread. Good to know you have decided on the Mazda 3 ignite.

I've previously read about the steering rack issue which is prevalent with the latest Honda Civic model but didn't know it's not an isolated case as it affects most if not all Civic models. To me, it's not only about the steering rack but the overall quality and fit and finish of Honda vehicles from City to Accord as they mostly show poor NVH and rattling sound inside the cabin due to loose fittings even for fairly new models.
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post Aug 17 2024, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(SasuKopa @ Aug 17 2024, 11:08 AM)
My car arrived yesterday at showroom.. less than a week after booking.
the moment i sit into the car, the comfortable seats already justify my decision  laugh.gif

kinda agree on the fit and finish of my civic, 2 years only and it feels like the whole car is like a 5-6 years old car.
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Congratulations. Good to know. The Mazda 3 was on my radar but due to the high price it was scratched off the list. I used to own the Ford Focus mk3 which has exceptional handling in its price range, the time I bought it the price is around RM110k+/-. The Mazda 3 may be the closest performing vehicle but at a higher price.

Haha, i've written quite a lot on the rattling sound inside the cabin of Accord so I won't repeat it too much here. The quality is quite poor for the price you are paying especially Civic and Accord new models. I don't want to add too much salt but I actually find Proton vehicles to show less rattling sound inside the cabin than Honda models. Toyota and Mazda usually fair much better as they are CBU from Thailand and Japan respectively (Corolla and Mazda 3). CBU models will usually show better quality than CKD, especially the Honda CKD plant.
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post Aug 17 2024, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 17 2024, 11:42 AM)
Mine Accord 2015, which I paid around 170k+ iirc back then but the NVH are just poor. My wife X70 ckd NVH are miles better than Alor Gajah made one and at much cheaper price. Ride my vendors colleague cars, City and Civic FE and FC, it just similarities for NVH, all are kinda poor.
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Thanks for owning up and not hiding the weaknesses being an owner of the Accord 2015. Similarly I don't hide anything and will tell it as is although I may be the owner of the vehicle. Your experience coincides with mine. Good to know Proton X70 NVH is much better than the Honda models. Actually don't need to go to Proton latest X models. Even my much older (now sold) Proton Preve Turbo, the NVH is better. It's only the loud turbo engine that is noisy.

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post Aug 17 2024, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(SasuKopa @ Aug 17 2024, 11:39 AM)
My wife's previous car was the first gen Mazda 2 hatch.. CBU Thailand. interior still feels so solid even though already around 14 years.

Actually i'm ok with a little rattle here and there, just don't give me unsolved problems on mechanical parts..
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Good to know. 14 years is quite a long time. The Ford Focus mk3 which I owned is CBU from Philippines, similarly rock solid with good NVH and minimal rattling sound inside the cabin even up to 10 years when I sold it earlier this year. Very quite and minimal rattling sound from new to 5 years. Between 5 to 10 years, NVH got slightly worse but still bearable and much better than any newer Honda vehicles.

Good to know. Everyone is different and I'm sensitive to NVH and rattling sound so it's one of the important criteria for me when I am considering a new vehicle. Handling, power and performance used to be the top priorities for me 10 years ago, but that has changed. Now it's more to comfort and quiet.
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post Aug 17 2024, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(SasuKopa @ Aug 17 2024, 12:08 PM)
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The Mazda 3 hatchback looks fierce as if it's ready to be driven fast and furious. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 29 2024, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(SasuKopa @ Aug 29 2024, 06:53 AM)
Already have big size cars at home. So try out lift back.. and another reason is for the Bose
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How is the bose sound system on the new Mazda 3? I found the Bose system on the previous generation Mazda CX5 2.5 CBU from Japan to be mediocre with poor bass response. The bass doesn't go deep and lack punch while the treble is overly clean. The Ford Focus Sony sound system sounds better than the Bose in the Mazda. I'm not sure if the latest Mazda has an improved version of the Bose.

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post Aug 30 2024, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(SasuKopa @ Aug 29 2024, 11:14 PM)
Bass are punchy as I set bass to only +4, , vocals instruments clear.
Meets my expectation.

There are some reviews on the Mazda 3’s Bose on YouTube, can check it out
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Good to know. Perhaps the Bose system may be different between the previous and current generation Mazda models as I find minimal difference when turning up the bass settings from 0 to maximum level. Yes vocals and instruments are crystal clear and clean, perhaps it's the Bose sound signature. The midrange lacks a little organic warmth and treble although clean and clear doesn't have the airiness.

Anyway most importantly it's the drive and performance that are more important, and glad that the Mazda 3 hatchback is living up to your expectations and drives better than the Honda Civic and no more problematic steering rack issues.
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post Aug 30 2024, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 30 2024, 08:24 AM)
Bose on Mazda a tad better then no brand 6 speakers on the 2017 Elantra Sport.
This is just strictly objective sound quality, clarity, distortion, noise, base 2 distinctive beats isolation, not muffle together.
Not the subjective more/less base/treble, warn/cold, etc that related personal preference.

Harman Kardon on the Volvo is so much better than Bose, like 100x better, there is no second doubt.
Again this is on objective sound quality alone.
The instruments vs vocal separation, and separation among different instruments are next level. You'll notice a lot not dominant instruments playing, that wasn't aware before.
The whole soundstage also appear wider, sounds appears to come from further distance beyond the car 4 walls.

To an extend, it made me question how Mercedes justify the hefty price tag of Bang & Olufsen, the quality is not at the same level as HK in Volvo.
And I own B&O devices, I know how good is B&O quality. Sometime it is the chassis, interior, rather then speakers themselves.

Bowers & Wilkins on Volvo again next level from the HK. Base, mid about the same.
Treble is clearer, vocal from artist come out "CLEAN", and contains more "DETAILS".
Especially when the female vocalist do a very subtle transpose at the end of highest pitch, the HK can completely loss that details.
Actually same for most major brands soundbars, headphones that I experienced, they loss this kind of details. Don't talk about B&W 803 level of madness.

An audiophile, that super tall guy at mid-valley told me sound wave bounce off glass make huge difference. But I seriously can't recognize the impact objectively, scientifically.
Interested to test Mark Levinson in Lexus next...
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I don't have experience with high-end sound systems in expensive upmarket cars such as Volvo, Mercedes etc. but share the same experience that the Bose sound system in the Mazda is slightly or noticeably (not significantly) better than most bread and butter Japanese models or any other vehicle in the price range of RM100k+/- or higher. I have owned Bose lifestyle systems since my student days and B&W N805 more than 20 years ago. Bose is known as a lifestyle product rather than outright sound quality. People who predominantly look for sound quality don't really look at the Bose.

I usually don't listen to music in the car when the sound system is crap. The stereo will be switched off completely silent if I don't enjoy music due to the subpar quality of the sound system. I somehow miss the Sony sound system in the Ford Focus but anyway music in the car is not important to me as I can drive without any music on.
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post Aug 30 2024, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(SasuKopa @ Aug 30 2024, 08:35 AM)
I’m so used to move the steering a little to hear the Tuk sound of the civic’s rack.

Yesterday I did that on the Mazda 😅
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Don't quite understand. I presume you don't hear anymore "tuk" sound when you turn the steering wheel on your new Mazda 3? biggrin.gif

New cars are nice to drive mainly due to a low level of noise, particularly the absence of rattling sound inside the cabin and good NVH apart from the handling. The NVH or noise levels in cars which are built to quality in the factory particularly CBU will mostly last much longer than CKD models before you start to hear increased noise levels and more rattling sound inside the cabin. I presume the Mazda CBU from Japan will have the advantage in this respect when compared to most CKD models such as Honda. Nissan CKD models are actually not bad based on my previous experience with the Nissan Sylphy, very quiet up to 5 years before I sold it. The current Almera I'm not sure as my dad is currently driving one, bought earlier this year. New, everything is good and quiet. biggrin.gif

 

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