OMG !!!! w4si vs btb tat round all heores level 25 .... any comments on tat round ???   

Most damage output while chrono is up = Dagon 800! + normal hit you could actually hit up to 1.2-1.5k worth of damage.. WoW! if they still dont die.. Timewalk and dagon again... another extra 800 ftw! Faceless Void for the win!.. or we could actually go for refresher and timestop twice + dagon twice... wohooO!! dps ftw

insulted by VP, best DOTA team in the world not big insult

dun get insult by those " half sky hang" teams like "kampung champion" Zenith can oredi, champ in SG, but pawned in ASUS and DreamHack

i beg to differ

KS also change their lineup to include 2 new members from webster that were disbanding, but they are able to own their oppositions like np,  there is no point in bringing up Zenith original lineup as we are comparing the teams PRESENT status as Asian top teams, and frankly, Zenith just do not deserved to be recognized as that...
if ancient history lineup can be bring to the table, then NA will claim title as the best DOTA team in the world when they give you COL original lineup during their CAL domination days
Your 1st point not accepted

2nd, if you cant criticize teams that are better, then you will not have any commentating done in any sports in the world, as even the worst footballer or any athletes can perform better than those commentators.
the point of criticizing is to point out the weak point of a particular subject or matter, and to seek improvement through the critisement.
your 2nd point also not valid or accepted

peace,

OK, since my 1st post is so hard for your elementary education english background to understand....

i make it easy for you, bringing up Zenith original lineup is like England failure to qualify for Euro 2008 and then someone say they were world cup winners in 1966, is not RELEVANT anymore, is ancient history....

and they were not unbeatable when their original lineup was playing either, they lost to Mi2 during the singapore ACG qualifying.

i know your are from Singapore and were probably had your ass kicked by Zenith during their haydays, but again, we are discussing on the current status of Asia top teams, buddy

i dun see the point to keep continue this debate as Zenith results speaks for themselves, unable to qualify from MYM groupstage even though they playing with no lag using europe internet connection,

well, pros like Vp.Jolie and MYM |Maelk have comented that Zenith reputation is overrated and agreed by most teams that played Zenith before, i highly doubt that they  "don't know their duck from their chicken".

LOL, i am actually supporting our own Malaysia KS team > Zenith at this present moment, as KS 2-0 them in ADC...

peace dude, i am just giving my opinion on hard facts i have from real match results and not blindly supporting  any team in particular,

yea true. . . TS and SK really controlled yamateh's SF well .. . i dun think they hav a chance to ward. . . lesh and BM fully warded the area and bird+pig walking/flying around. . . dun think they have a chance to get near MYM's neutral.. . imasad : (