2024 model just launched, seem like well specced, good passive and active safety (9airbag etc), 2.0 should give good power + moderate fuel savings for 160k

Considering all this seems like a good offering, plus on safety side seem like the only compact suv / crossover with 9 airbags (previous gen closer to 140k + 7 airbags)

Yet dont really see many on the road.
Subaru value offering for this price point missed its mark (too expensive for segment?)

Curious that malaysians dont rally see safety specs when buy new car?

Would you consider buy car based on safety features as important factor?

This post has been edited by kdr93: Jul 18 2024, 07:38 AM

Malaysian only see RV

cold door car

buy china car also better than better subruhro

GAC Emzoom nice

Sadly this, but similar reason people can still buy China cars.

I think mostly people are not aware of the pro of Subaru and prefer outer/interior cosmetic, cost and power
You see most people when go buy China cars, wow the design so futuristic buy! But later brake, axle, spare part problem then blame car manufacturer again.

Subaru did not got great marketing team to highlight their safety features (Which is their strong category) especially the eyesight system, for a niche brand actually their spare part support is quite sorted out (I been Xv 2015 owner until today never got spare part issue) and also got plenty of Japanese aftermarket support (half-cut) & OEM parts from Thailand & Malaysia. While some "local" brand say volume will help settle the spare part issue, until today still heard some parts need to wait for few weeks or months also.

Few Reason Why Most Malaysia i heard don't pick Subaru

- Poor RV
- Design not attractive
- Car price not cheap
- Small boot size
- Miss/incorrect-information about Subaru service/parts must be expensive (Nowadays Subaru also can offer those 3~5 years free maintenance package, similar to BMW/Mazda also)
- CVT gearbox (Subaru CVT is using chain type - Which is more durable, not steel belt like those louzy gearbox from H brand)
- Miss/incorrect-information that AWD must be bad in fuel consumption.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 18 2024, 10:30 AM

I wonder how many even sell back their car and still have some net "gain" after deduct total loan cost

Yup, credit where is is due, T and H even though already popular have good promo campaign for their cars

This one even though good price not many on the road yet

I guess many still worry to take the leap, to relatively unknown brand

1. A lot of owners said it's underpower 154hp NA for 1500kg++
2. CVT, despite different architecture (more durable) there is less promotion emphasize/explained it.


for underpower:

Exora CFE weight 1465kg+-, max torque at 2k rpm compared to Subaru XV 2.0 NA max torque at 4k rpm. So, you feel it less powerful compared to Exora.

Bro, you need to learn to see the torque curve and also comparing a turbo & N/A is totally different category.
We have member go do dyno before the torque curve is very smooth linear out from 2000~4000rpm thus why they use CVT as the torque is very good at lower RPM range, not like competitors example 2.0 skyactive engine due to high compression the torque curve is sharp climb thus why they use 6AT gearbox to compensate the low end torque feel.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 18 2024, 03:53 PM

planning to get a 2nd hand Forester, 2016-2017 for around RM40k.
Just worry about the durability and service costs.

Some people say Subaru is as durable as Toyota, but more fun to drive
Some say their parts very fragile, and hard to find place to repair etc

Read that boxer engine is hard to work on due to its design. Hence much higher repair costs

WRX was king. Unbeatable

Join Subaru group in facebook or forums and get your information from real owners.

First advice, get a reputable mechanic which can fix Subaru and not some road side tire shop or bawah pokok mechanic.

For 2016~2017 should be the local CKD SJ forester.
Previously due to cheap CKD, a lot of local CKD parts especially bush really is too fragile. Now i use Thailand OEM bush more long lasting.
Bearing issue already solved if the previous owner upgraded the rear bearing hub (If no upgrade, might need to folk out around 500~600 for it), which i did and bearing now over 100k still no issue compare to previous (some 60~80k already got bearing noise). FYI, this SJ Forester parts are similar and share with GP7 Xv1.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 18 2024, 03:19 PM

Last time test both xv and forester. Think feel just like other Japan brand. Would like to go for Forester but my wife did not like the look.

Myself have sold honda city and civic and both time after deduct loan cost manage to get some money. City 12k, civic 20k.both sell after 7 years usage.

Sadly a lot of people only prefer looks first, luckily my family test driven Subaru if not we might be joining the H family also. My sister at that time prefer HRV/CRV, after test driven it back to back with Subaru Xv/Forester no more going back to Honda. Even the deposit she pay for HRV also forefeit it. Really sometime you need to test drive, experience it with different ride only will know the difference.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 18 2024, 03:47 PM

Nowadays with social media, forums etc, no one want to buy car from Tan Choong Motor, for the after sales service.

Suda jadi SuLama

Not mistaken Subaru already exit Malaysia.

That is non-experience mechanic will tell you. Subaru latest FB engine (which is used in Xv/Forester) is one of the most mechanic/owner friendly engine to fix and maintain. Nowadays if engine got serious problem just buy half-cut engine kosong and replace, my mechanic already help owners change engine kosong and can get JPJ approval with proper custom documents. This is one of the benefits of buying Japanese car, as you can get aftermarket parts easily compare to others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRYKu1EExpM

See this Subaru expert explaining why it is the easiest Car Brand To Own, Maintain, & Repair

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 18 2024, 04:06 PM

Yup. Moto Image <- the useless Tan Chong

One decade ago XV close to 100K only with promotion or usual overtrade popularized by TCM. And minimal promotions from deadfish marketing dept public don't know any difference in FB20 engine used until today price now 150+K

Then how come Subaru RV so bad?

Definitely not for normal buyers to change engine, would say 99.9% owners won't even consider half-cut engine transfer.

Hearing this for XV, even more people avoid 😅

People perception, demand and exposure to correct information, those who know the real deal are laughing behind.
FYI, Subaru Xv in 2nd market is very fast let go also, if condition is good and price is cheap most below 2~3 weeks sure sold off.
My mechanic help few owners post in FB market, most in 2 weeks sold off.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 18 2024, 04:19 PM

Toyota owns 20% of Subaru.

Thats why got collaboration like 86/Brz

Problem in Malaysia is Tan Chong

Still have but will only bring CBU. No more CKD for Malaysia.

Arguement on power is inconsistent, because u see the 1.8L from Toyota Cross, although other countries getting DF 2.0 also complain slightly underpowered,
Malaysian will worship the 18 years old 1.8L Dual VVT-i like no tomorrow

Malaysian choice on car is largely based on brand rather than features, the people are more comfortable with staying with old and reliable tech than to try out new tech that may not be unreliable.

Most people only can have one main car and rely the car heavily for daily activities.

If macam VW DSG issues keep on have to masuk workshop then not good liao

That's what happens to current gen Almeera. On paper with 1.0T engine, better looking car vs City with carryover 1.5NA engine, but be it TCM, no one care. Now TCM sponsored car media to test Almeera fuel consumption test etc.

For me the entering of China manufacturers are good for consumer. Else we wont get opportunity to use DCT GB at affordable price, where everyone is CVT on Japanese brand, EPB, which some brand still putting foot brake for year 2024. Plus now they put a better looking interior vs outdated Japanese dashboard for instant.

This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Jul 18 2024, 05:22 PM

Join subaru forester club, and search for their cvt solenoid problem and how much to fix em

Problem is the newer tech may be reliable as well, say the newer Dynamic Force engine from Toyota which also not very new already since 2018

Because of how Malaysian is very happy with the old 18 years engine, we somehow became the dumping ground for these old engine even from Toyota, but hey most of Malaysian are happy about it, why bother introducing newer engine?

You'll notice more ppl critic the Geely 3 pot that is developed in 2018 as old tech (same year as new DF engine from Toyota)
rather than criticizing the 18 years old Toyota dual VVT-i as old tech.

Only remaining dna is the boxer engine

Yes, force their hand to offer better value to consumer

All already complacent in their status quo

T and H for the longest time maintain only 2 airbag on their cars

subaru has safer rear door, notice the lower latch on the door frame

CVT solenoid nowadays cheap already, plenty of spare part and recon bodyvalves available in shoppee/lazada. (Search: Subaru CVT bodyvalve + TR580 + Solenoid) can come out few results.
If you go official SC sure die chop you kau kau. Thus why i feedback need to get a good mechanic which really deal with Subaru and joining the correct group & forums can help a lot.

Yes, i noticed it during my 1st day test driving the Xv. Not much salesperson know to explain also.
The steel bar extrude until the under door frame which connect to the chassis.

Maybe..but after experiencing problems eg arm bush failure, leaking engine, i decided to let go of my forester before anything else comes up.

Arm bush, leaking engine are wear & tear items, if your ride is over 5 years above it is normal.
Unless you dont have a reliable mechanic & spare part source to help out, thus i understand why some owners want to let go.

For the things you concern - I recommend to contact Sommet Auto in J.Ipoh (google the shop) they can direct ship the parts to your house.
Arm bush can buy OEM Thailand from Sommet Auto
Leaking engine mostly also just the valve cover rubber seal, Sommet Auto also got OEM seals which i found long lasting and cheap compare to original SC.
If timing chain cover leaking, just ask mechanic buy black gasket gum (Most recommend Victor Reinz) and reseal. After reseal good to last another 5~10 years.

Been buying parts from Sommet Auto for years and most of their OEM products quality i found even long lasting compare to original and cheaper.

I hear you, as reliable as certain brands are reputed for, some ppl have no luck with it
and vice versa... some ppl owned Peugeots for generations without issues

something about 'carbon reinforced steel bar'

salah myvi. too cheap and too fast

That why i say sad that most people in Malaysia are not well informed of the safety features.
Even the chassis is well built and serve as a roll cage for protection (Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame).

At the time, the car was less than 4 years old..

At first, one of subaru sc was unable to find the cause of the check engine light and i even need to pay for new spark plug which did not solve the issue.
Then i went to the pj sc and they found out that my engine was leaking which causes my o2 sensor to spoilt. They repaired the leaking under warranty but i still need to pay for the new o2 sensor.. harem

did look into it last time.

felt it was expensive .

If your car is under warranty 5 years or 100k you should not pay for the damage and ask them to honor the warranty parts. Some SC if you did not complain or voice up they will take advantage, PJ SC most member in Subaru group did not recommend it even got case they take customer car go merry go around and sell some questionable parts outside (caught by member camcorder). Even motion beyond dealer also more better than them.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4711224/all

Here the story, Aurizn also reported in their facebook page near that date also.

There are really some good dealers out there, but if the current one took advantage you need to voice up and complain, if not they will keep charging you for their own sales.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 19 2024, 10:43 AM

now ppl like cherry tiggo

susah also to advertise all these features, don't ask don't tell

I simply tell ppl, you want handling, CX5, you want safety, XV, you want amoi, HRV, you want wife, Cross (it's a bit shallow, but just for laughs)

LoL, correct also.

Still Xv handling also not bad, i tested CX5 & Xv before at hill areas for similar 2.0L Xv is more fun as you can slide thru corners more plated (maybe due to the lower seating boxer engine & AWD).

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 19 2024, 10:56 AM

not forgetting 2 wheeled vs AWD G-vectoring....

would like to chip in as year22 XV owner here
fall in love with the car during test driving, can feel that chassis is very firm, sound proofing is very good and i don't like honda's cvt

as daily driver i manage to clock 500+km for one full tank, i think it's consider average - not high or low fc

cornering is definitely exciting with awd and lower boxer engine

whereas RV i just got quoted by carro they offered me 96k top so i think relatively still ok price(was thinking to change to 2door fun car but call off)

Why not many subaru xv on the road?

becoz not many people buy lah... that's why

Normal question got in FB, why my engine cluttering at cold start, early morning start up, this coming from owner who 1st time getting GDI engine. When inform that, they counter saying well my Vios, City, Myvi dont have that. Even BMW F10 cluttering as diesel engine on early morning for 528i model

Why not buy, because of TCM

Cons
gear box oil expensive
floating above 130kmh
under power
over priced for small car
low RV
need to warm up properly to drive, else easy to damage engine (boxer design)
bad francise service center

Pro
Subaru AWD
Safety

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 19 2024, 03:08 PM

I thought it's a trick question
met a few XV Forester owners is because they usually spend time off road

wat colour is yours?

https://www.wapcar.my/news/rm-50k-for-a-use...-problems-23705

Reported common problems

https://www.wapcar.my/news/rm-50k-for-a-use...-problems-23705

Reported common problems. Can imagine quite a chunckful for many to swallow , so many may not have the appetite for it

The link not updated already, a lot of parts/repair mentioned already got cheaper options and not all will got similar issues.
If want to get the latest info better join Fb Subaru Xv club and get from recent members.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 22 2024, 04:16 PM

What I know is Subaru will increasingly becoming more niche, what more with Thailand closing plant after 5 years of consecutive losses


https://www.nationthailand.com/business/automobile/40038738

This will affect or deter prospective buyers for sure

Sidetrack a bit,

Outside Malaysia, is Suzuki doing better than Subaru?

https://www.globalsuzuki.com/globalnews/2023/0130a.html

https://www.subaru.co.jp/en/ir/finance/performance.html




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On the car side, their car are more simpler and well known as diet on weight, better power to weight ratio, best handling. The swift sport latest gen, check abroad user, kinda happy with it reliability

Na, actually for most current Subaru member it is a blessing in disguise. Subaru still will sell but direct CBU from Japan, we foresee the used value for Xv will hold better as new potential owners if cannot afford new CBU price might venture for used units. Some already ask on-line traders of their Xv 2nd value and found out the newer Xv2 with eyesight seems to hold better value in used market now.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobile...two-Thai-plants
BTW, Honda also closing one of their factories in Thailand also.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 23 2024, 09:44 AM

Yes, as Suzuki got sell many small economy compact car/suv (A-B Segment)
In Japan their K-Car is quite good also thus for sure will be better compare to Subaru in term of sales.
(Subaru models mostly C-D Segment above, in Japan Subaru K-Car rebadge from Daihatsu so not much help.)


This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 23 2024, 08:56 AM

Repeated

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 23 2024, 09:00 AM

Honda WR-V is way more in the road than Subaru XV.... wonder why....??

Ade Honda, Ade Amoi.
Honda & Toyota this 2 brand is too famous in Malaysia and high RV, most potential owners will go for the safe route.
I got 1 friend which really like Subaru Xv, but his wife dont like the brand (She think Subaru is some US/China brand ) & design and go for HRV.
Well happy wife, happy life.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 23 2024, 09:08 AM

That alone will make it niche, I will give you a few examples

CBU Toyota CH-R
CBU Mazda 3 & 6
CBU Suzuki Jimny and Swift
CBU Mitsubishi Outlander
CBU Hyundai and Kia

They have inherent higher price due to duty and tax. And that makes them niche for new buyers

As much some is doing better (Mazda 3) but most becomes rarity and some extinct in our market , what more with exiting owners the demand for it will dwindle because unless you are a collectors of cars , you will probably strike them of your buying list due to the perceived higher after sales service cost.

A very simple math: your parts now are fully CBU and Ringgit is worsening against yen and shipping cost is ever rising

Honda is consolidating production from two plants into one and not total closure like Subaru, my dear

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jul 23 2024, 09:57 AM

Hi, how's their boxer engine nowadays? will leak engine oil?

Any engine over 5~10 years also can leak engine oil bro, those rubber gasket/seal over time also will wear.
If you see those old news keep saying gasket leak, those are engine head gasket which Subaru already solved since the latest FB engine series.
Only normal valve gasket and timing chain cover overtime just reseal and change the rubber seal and good to go another 5~10 years.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 23 2024, 10:26 AM

FYI, Yen is the one worsening now.
Nowadays you can change at around 1 MYR to 0.03 Yen, a lot of people start visiting and buying Japanese stuff on-line including me due to this advantage.

But sadly confirm AP and different tax structure will bring up the car price. You can see even Honda newer cars like CRV also expensive nowadays, so an increase of around 20~30k is expected. This will need to see how the dealer and business management to maintain and play around their marketing strategy over the years. Some insider feedback they will wait and see our fuel price and EV/Hybrid policies, similar to Nissan their marketing team is going to sell the e-Power hybrid line models once the fuel price went up. Subaru also got next generation e-Boxer (Using Toyota Hybrid) on the line & Solterra EV, but expect to be lower sales volume due to tight competitions from China car brands.

Well, yes Honda article does feedback they close down 1 of the 2 factories, this also means that majority of Japanese brand car sales are on the drop.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 23 2024, 10:59 AM

Yen is rising now especially in this month as compared to a year or two ago.Will it breaks 0.30, only time will tell

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=JPY&to=MYR&view=1M

Anyway, the topic is about why Subaru not many on the road. When you gives example of Nissan marketing strategy, I can't help but think thatvis teg weakest argument.Nissan was doing bad and handed its big top 3 non national car brands' post to be fought by Mazda and Mitsubishi in
Malaysia and even overall South East Asia, Nissan is one of the worst performers

Sadly Subaru Motor Image is the same under Tan Chong group (which is Nissan also in it) thus is why their decision making are quite similar and are pulling out a lot of models due to their management decision. From what i know next move they will concentrate on cheaper EV & Hybrid models which is why they are going for China GAC and Nissan E-Power model range for Malaysia market.

Subaru (Motor Image) is under Tan Chong International Limited (TCIL)

Nissan is Tan Chong Motors

I think different.

you didn't answer my questions tho.

you can see a lot Suzuki in India, but that was because they are doing JV, and government charge much lesser tax to Suzuki. Super high tax in India makes automotive brands very difficult to enter India market.

This post has been edited by kevinpss: Jul 23 2024, 04:18 PM

We can't blame everything squarely at Tan Chong

Nissan was focusing on US, China and UK Europe

They are not investing much resources into South East Asia , not Thailand and not Indonesia even, let alone Malaysia

All heavy lifting is done by the local partners

Suzuki at least know they will focus in India with Maruti and Japan with their kei cars


Subaru's strategy is the most vague , they are almost focus entirely @ North America

https://www.tanchong.com/en/companies_brands.aspx

See the brands in it, Subaru, Nissan is under it.

Yes, Subaru group itself mostly concentrate in US market, but Asean wise most are held under Motor Image (Tan Chong group)
You can check the main dealer around Asean country like in Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, Hong-Kong, Thailand most are under the same Motor Image group so i believe they will influence in term of decision making for Asean market.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 24 2024, 08:22 AM

So how good are Subaru sales in all these countries doing so far?

Let's have a look

https://www.statista.com/outlook/mmo/passen...ars/subaru/asia


And just about 2 weeks back, TCIL (motor image) issued profit warning

https://www.tanchong.com/downloads/announce...24070800523.pdf

In fact P@ul Tan made a report about it, you just need to look it up

And one glaring development you can see is right here in Malaysia

https://www.dsf.my/2024/07/7-motor-image-su...ese-car-brands/

Why are you still so hopeful, when all the signs shows only the dreadfuls?

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jul 24 2024, 10:01 AM

FYI Subaru did cease in Malaysia market before in the 00's and come back again in 2012/13 with the CKD XV.
Anything also can happen in future if they got good product to intro again. If you never follow Subaru cars history in Malaysia, they introduce legacy, Sambar in the 90's, stop selling officially for a while and come back again in the 10's.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 24 2024, 10:34 AM

Ask Nissan owner they know why Tan Choong Motor been poor for after sales. Now no one buying their car thanks to horror after sales warranty for example. Check also Nissan Serena fb group cz many owner had poor treatment by TCM

Nissan has only 5% stake in Tan Chong Motor Holdings Berhad

Do you know how much other share holding the principal holds at Honda Malaysia , Mazda , Mistubishi, Perodua , Proton , etc?

just talking on customers experience without concern on how many stake they had. Serena confirm Aircond compressor k.o after 1-2 years usage, then TCM play hard ball to claim new compressor. Right after warranty ended, 120% will told compressor need to be replaced and here the cost at SC.

Yes. Any thing is possible. They may come back like Suzuki also. CBU high price and niched

(Outdated too)

When Nissan has so little stake, do they care much , HELLO