yes. missed out that sentence - lesser glass involved thus better image quality.

the formula is all given, just that lazy to do la. pointless to do also. good for those who want to know "mm = subject distance" balblabla thing.

lolz...thats kinda like additional knowledge lor... no shortcut for that...gotta read and understand yourself...any news from TS?

soulfly manyak jahat wor.. still mau poison to other brands.. ahahhahaa... my suggestion, get the kit lens, understand everything, then get better lens. tadaaa~

can buy 400D with 40D's kit lens (18-55 IS) ? the new lens has very good comment on it.

haf they started selling dat lens separately ar? by the label, definitely dat 1 is better than the current kit lens jor~

i also wish to have canon eos 400d since i want to take photo wgile traveling
but i am noob on dlsr....
dlsr is better than normal dc,can lasting 2 year if keep upgrading lens
normally for a noob nid how many month to learn it?
any book/website suggest?

This post has been edited by stupid: Nov 3 2007, 08:47 PM

dat, u gotta see which level of noobness r u in.. bwahhahahahahahah. jk~ jk~ ... if photography is ya passion, i reckon u'll stay juz for a short while...

if u're buying a camera for travelling purpose, i do suggest u to start with a PnS 1st, cause who knows, u might not like the bulk of a DSLR and hassle of changing lens after u got 1.. a good PnS can produce equally good photos as a DSLR when u know how to use it properly, but u wont be able to take nice photos if u dont know how to operate a DSLR, cause it's the person behind the camera that makes the difference, not the camera.. and most of the time, u develop the skills/ experience as u shoot, u cant learn how to take nice photos from a book, it's an art, not a theoretical subject. if u're talented, u could master it in weeks, if u're not really into the art of photography, u'll never learn them even if u have the best gears..

the sony kit lens produce amazing colour especially night shots with colourful lighting. oh talking about night shots...the super-steady shot is very helpful also. slightly better range also... 18-70mm

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Added on November 3, 2007, 11:59 pmsomewhat agree, but a plain compact PnS wont be much fun. i suggest that get a compact digicam that has manual setting to change exposure settings, WB and such... coz dslr is kinda hassle for noobs.

This post has been edited by soulfly: Nov 4 2007, 12:01 AM

first of all,

A MILLION THANKS TO ALL INPUTS !!!

They are really really helpful

I am still deciding...most concern is financial freedom...

soulfly's recommendation is somewhat true.. u may wanna consider those PNS with advance settings (manual modes) to practice b4 jumping into the bandwagon... pssst, Canon SX100is = low price, manual modes, latest model fr Canon... lalala~ (counter attack for Soulfly's initial statement....)

even without manual settings i think it's fine, one could still learn up composition and other stuff with it.

yes dslr IS better than normal PnS...but you must know how to fully utilize it before getting into the world of SLRs...
don just set it to auto mode and go off snapping without knowing what can can it do and WHY is it better than PnS camera...there is really no time limit on how long will a camera last you...it may last you ten years..you never know... talking about skills..there is no time frame on how fast will you master it... just like what kelvin said, if photography is not your cup of tea, you will never master the skills...i took up photography and i jumped straight into the SLR bangwagon... i love photography...thats why i strived for improvement(although still a noob) but i know the basics and learn from others... most importantly, if there is a will, there is a way... don rely on books too much, go out there and snap more pictures... cheers

financial freedom? pay by instalment lar...hehe... at kuching here for 0% interest de ler...your side should have also...

getting DSLR doesn't mean that you'll be constantly upgrading lens though. if you're satisfied with what you have already, then there's no reason to upgrade.

if you're travelling, a DSLR with 18-200 would allow you to compose nicer shots than a DC (P&S) BUT the P&S has it's advantage in size.

EDITED : aiyah refer to that article in my signature la.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Nov 4 2007, 08:34 AM

im pretty sure everybody has a compact camera before they migrated or added an slr camera. if you dont have one yet and you dont know whether you'll like photography in the long run, might as well get a compact first. play around with that first. you must ensure that this urge that you have for photography is long term, not a thing that'll get you interested only for the first month and sits in your store room by the 6th month. Photography can be considered an expensive hobby if you're using SLRs and lenses. Especially with the poisons around during outings, TTs, forums, hehehe..

not everyone la. those years DSLR so expensive, i have to buy compact and prosumer. nowadays DSLR so cheap anyone also can buy.

erm...i didnt have a compact.. i migrated from a w800i to a Nikon d40 crazy me huh...

i migrated from PnS (sony p73) to DSLR (sony a100)
with SE k750i in between ...still a sony lol!

see...every thread i go to you sure promote sony...hehe... they should hire you as full time promoter

don't take those too seriously... just having fun around the threads..lol

btw... not too interested into sales/promote ... prefer marketing, then can apply strategies, more interesting