During ph1 2018-20, can see almost everyday whatever phdapigs did was wrong or too much. Tak jaga sensitiviti orang melayu, biadap, want reform also do it steadily la, dun rush liddis la yada yada yada

Now post ge15, dap less visible oledi, can see the same ppl bitching dap=mca2, 42 parliament seats but quiet like dog, dap no balls dun dare to voice out yada yada yada

Do complain, dun do also complain, apa korang nak sebenarnya?

Just do what they have been doing since they were the opposition. Dont be like a dog on leash

They did, you forgot what happened during PH1?

My point is people listened to UMNO on religion when that is PAS's niche. They've been around since the 1950s, if religion was really their thing islamization should've come from them.
Ergo, people should wise up that they're not really who they say they are (but then again, which politician is lmao.)

To be fair I don't really know how PAS was like pre-current era. Just like how Gerakan had their moments, PAS back then is likely different too (easiest to see is before & after Nik Aziz's passing)

don't think will have Sheraton. because last time Sheraton also due to Mahathir suddenly resigned. with Anwar at helm, he has said many times, bring no confidence vote to the floor, and he will gracefully step back when lost the vote.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Jul 8 2024, 01:12 AM

Don't waste too much Times to ponder upon things beyond our control.

From the perspective of a non who just observed matters since the 80's, its more like UMNO/BN *opened* the road to islamization but ended up PAS benefitted from it. Establishing Jakim, islamization of govt structure, increasing religion in sekolah kebangsaan, mushrooming religious schools instead of curbing them, etc, all that actually played into PAS' hands. Ppl gets radicalized, then PAS just need to say "UMON parti kapiaq, kami lah parti pejuang Islam!" and they all joined PAS as champions Islam.

Same as what's happening now, Anwar tries to champion palestine (sampai lah PM palestine/Hamas), cosplay in sekolah kebangsaan, not curbing extremism & intolerance for fear of offending the malay muslim votes, all that and does the malay muslim votes comes back to PH? No, it was PAS who gains more votes

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jul 8 2024, 01:33 AM

Well I won't comment on who benefited more back then, just sharing my grandfather's take and clarifying even if it wasn't political it would've happened eitherway sooner or later.

Speaking as somebody who do not trust Anwar ever since what he & Rafizi did to the late Tan Sri Khalid, he's on too much of trust deficit with the bumi to ever get back to zero, much less become positive.
That is considering if he even do a great job during this term, which evidently he's not.
Don't get me wrong, I want him to do good too cause he's the PM that we got for now (the same way I felt about all the previous PMs), but he is who he is.

Nons underestimated how much we've pretty much labelled him as a snake / chameleon, but I guess you guys are finding that out right now.
I used to highlight this but kena label macai PN, so I just senyap and let his true nature come out for all to see.

You need to learn your past, present and future tense

Here:
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/mod/ouconten...0future%20tense.

Also what is stunt? Lol

Just type in BM

Agree with you it would have happened sooner or later, but the way I look at it, umno/bn fubar'ed the whole thing and today is what we get. After the Memali incident, they had a golden opportunity to ban and outlaw pas just like pkm was outlawed, since pas is actually seditious for wanting to replace our democratic governance with religious theology, just like pkm wanted to replace democracy with communism. It could have been done back in the 80's when we were more open. Impact would be huge but could still be manageable by appealing to the moderate malay muslims who were still the majority then, but too bad the opportunity had passed and its too late now. Today I fear those who wish for "kerajaan Islam" rather than "demokrasi" is the bigger segment of population now...

As for Anwar, lol yeah, that langkah kajang was seriously stupid Yet for all of that, to a certain extend I still have some faith in him, in that I think what he's been doing now, is trying to buy time by pandering to this crowd for now and slowly implement the reforms. But as can be seen 2 years on, the pandering is not working. If he wants to survive the next GE, he better start changing strategy

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jul 8 2024, 02:39 AM

funny thing is the politcian cannot tahan smarter ppl than them..they feel threatened...hence better keep them stupid by studying religion and religion being hijacked by PAS...now they stuck in between

No effect la move on la many things to do in next 3 yrs.. mandate still strong.. move on

This..

Ph menang ke atau pn menang- who cares

End up- nons still doing well and better than bumi.. that’s for sure

When moo moo was pm..how he fuck up the policy that benefits nons …lol

And pas is a bigger walking puppet than anything else.. dap maybe naive or dumb as many say..but pas?

Easy control sial..pointless discussion here

-lapuji buat apa sekarang for the economy?
-SALAHKAN PUAS AND PN??haha
-malays and b40 are not benefitting anything from madanon
-malays right now felt if madanon stay as bmx all bumi privileges will slowly gone.
-malays thought right now DAPik is the one who controlling madanon gov at the back
-jangan DELULU ,only in lyn said malays sokong madanon.
-and why ur so worry about sg bakap?
-me so happy with sg bakap result,its an early sign madanon will not get chance in next ge

Pas in 1950-1960s were different
They more like.islam version of umno
Thry still live like p ramlee era..sing in kenduri kawin etc
It was nik aziz, hadi group that bring the 'bersatu bersama ulama' to pas
They saw the iran islamic revolution in 1979 and wanna do the same to malaysia
They successful in kelantan..then terengganu
Now they targeting the whole.peninsular

Well he seem to be forgetting whom voted for them.. he have to understand you can never satisfy both sides.. might as well just do what you promised, do what you have to instead of worrying about the east coast folks..

Anyway DAPs Penang seems to be getting alot hammering even within party also kena.

U cant please evwryone. This what you promise to ppl during your reformasi time. Worst ppl like DAP die die follow, now things is not as easy as you think.
BN had been gone through ages those not doing well or follow is within BN close issue.
Reformasi is more fight for his ownself. Issue is does BN done anything to ppl during that time? Ppl die die support, now you are the leader what you do for those past ppl supporting reformasi. Any chamges? You see ppl like Tian Chua, what he get at the end?
Othere words you just part of pawn in the chess game.

PMX try to use the soft approach
didnt get him anywhere

maybe should try the hard approach
now

It's because PHBN still won 4 out of previous 6 by-elections. If PHBN keep losing by elections, some groups may abandon sinking ship and plan a no confident votes. It's not the first time politicians abandoned a multiracial government.

Ppl vote for pas so no development and their kampung will always be kampung. Vote for pas in KL not so bad since everywhere left and right is all condo development. Tired edy see any empty land auto turn into condo development….