Hi guys,

My preference: nice, comfortable smooth bump less ride.

I have plan to get either a Altis or Civic, both has it own goods and bads. Personally, i have bad experience with Honda.

My previous ride were 2015 Honda Accord 2.4 and 2015 Honda CRV. The ride is so bumpy and not comfortable at all. The NVH is pretty bad for Honda, not match to the price that I paid for such car.

Q1: in term of ride quality and comfort level and NVH, which is the better buy?

Q2: i saw overseas new 2025 Altis is so damn nice, will Toyota Malaysia launch the same in 2025?

Any valuable constructive advice appreciated.

Deciding factor is at night when u sleep, which car you dream of driving?

Last time when I bought my first Honda, I always dream driving a Civic so no regards after purchased.

I test drove both and I found Altis too underpower and high speed stability.

As you are looking for comfort and your previous issues with Honda, dont waste time trying to buy something and doubt it.

Dont like can always change to others 5 years later.

This post has been edited by ads398: Jul 2 2024, 12:32 PM

if you are comparing comfort/NVH, same category Toyota is the better 1. Even Nissan also did better than Honda, not sure why a lot of people so crazy about Honda. For me, buy Honda is about the Type R, VTEC engine, the rest really meh..

The altis has very good looks but there are 2 issues:
1. It's underpowered. It can never compete with other japanese cars, let alone contis.
2. It has reached the end of it's lifecyle.

If you're planning the get the Altis, I suggest you wait for the new model to be launched and hopefully Toyota puts in a better engine not recycle the same old 1.8 litre that was used in the current and previous generation. TBH I've not even seen one GR Corolla Altis on the road. I think no one is buying. The car looks very good but for that amount of money you're getting an old underpowered engine.

This post has been edited by abhipraaya: Jul 2 2024, 10:29 AM

Where is your location? Come to Bangsar, Hartamas, Mont Kiara area. You'll see a few new GR Corolla Altis. I wont say there's many, but I've seen a few.

GR Corolla is the answer for those people which always say underpower. But sadly most of them dont have the money to buy it.

I believe the best way is to go and test drive and decide for yourself. From your description, the Toyota Corolla sedan is the better choice. if I'm not mistaken, the word "Altis" has been dropped is no longer used. It's now called "Corolla" only, or Corolla sedan if one doesn't want to mix it up with Corolla Cross SUV.

As usual the choice is dependent on priorities as there are pros and cons with both Civic and Corolla. I used to favour power and sporty handling but nowadays that's not so important anymore. For me it's a nice, quiet and comfortable drive which take precedence over everything else. Good NVH with minimal rattling sound inside the cabin. IN these areas, I generally find Honda vehicles from City to Accord to score poorly here. I test drove the Corolla GR Sport last year with the intention to buy one and the refinement in the drive and NVH are above average, in other words good. The downside of the Corolla, to me, is the lack of power due to the 1.8-litre engine and the high price exceeding RM150k. The power from the 1.8-litre engine is OK, and I probably could accept it if it's priced lower, but at RM150k+ I thought it's poor value. The hanlding and steering feel also were a bit lacking but that's irrelevant since it's a family orientated car, and moreover by benchmark was high comparing to my then Ford Focus 2.0 where the power and handling were one or two levels higher.

Sorry, I just read you owned the Accord and CRV and it's useful to note that your long-term experience coincide with my short term experiences having sat in my colleagues and friends Accord and Civic.

Coming back to point, for your criteria I think the Toyota Corolla is a much better choice than any of the Honda, provided you can put up with the slight lack of power and mediocre handling, and also the price. The price for the lower spec is RM140k up to RM148k for high spec and RM152k for the GR Sport version. To me it's a bit overpriced and poor value but that's just my opinion and also not forgetting it's not CKD but CBU from Thailand so that explains on the higher pricing. I owned the Nissan Sylphy 2.0 before and the NVH is among the best in its class or much pricier vehicles back in 2007. Back then I bought it for just slightly above RM110k I think. That's really great value but nowadays we can't get the same level of refinement and performance for the same money already. Sorry for being long-winded.

Poor value is mainly because of the CBU pricing.

mazda :X

Mazda NVH, comfort is also not that great as they are tune towards sportiness. Besides that, for similar category cars like example Mazda 3 the interior especially for the rear passenger really is the most cramp/smallest space making the rear passenger might felt claustrophobia. If your a family man, you will need to consider for the rear passenger comfort unless your single or your kids is still small.

I am not too concern about Value for money,

this is simple = you buy higher price = the RV also higher in the future = no difference. In terms of % drop in value, does not matter Altis or Civic.

This post has been edited by tkyong1: Jul 3 2024, 10:13 AM

I have driven 13 cars in the past decades.

Now, what i need is a comfortable car with good NVH and smooth cruising for relax driving, with very reliable maintenance.

I am not too concern about power 0-100, those are not important at all.

Altis
Honda won't fit on NVH and maintenance

it may however be more comfortable (updated dampers with proper bypass valve to deal with bumps and pot holes), smooth cruising because of the 1.5, and power is there for highway overtaking and manoeuvrability.

=edit=
I was a co owner of the latest gen FE Civic E spec for almost 2 years before sold.

the Altis is a turn off because:
1) outdated power train
2) outdated interior
3) outdated Head unit
4) poor CBU value
5) poor suspensions
6) misinformed TNGA marketing and ride and handling

7) it's not double wishbones, lol. single , half a wishbone ok la.


source:
https://www.toyota.com.my/en/models/corolla.html#performance

i hate false advertisement, and Mazda is even worse/obnoxious than Toyota lol.
so Mazda 3 to me is severely overhyped and even worse value. (yes yes CBU Japan tax.)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 3 2024, 10:31 AM

msia honda cannot. import one are fine

Not sure what you actually mean. 137hp and 173Nm is powerful ?. It lacks behind the Civic, Mazda 3, heck, even the Protons. The GR badging didn't do anything to the power output. They only tuned the suspension and added some GR logos and changed the seats, bumper and wheels. The car looks sporty but it does not perform like one. Lacking in power is one thing, mating the engine to a CVT is a double whammy. I'm not expecting super car performance, but at least it should have > 150bhp. Infact UMW does not even advertise the 0-100km/h of this car because, well, you know why.

However, if you're only concerned about comfort, style, reliability and branding then go for it.

This post has been edited by abhipraaya: Jul 3 2024, 10:48 AM

https://www.toyota.com.my/en/models/gr-corolla.html

Where u get 137hp and 173Nm?

The website at least double the power you mentioned.

Boss, I'm talking about the Toyota Corolla GR "Sport"

i think the GR corolla mentioned is the corolla sedan with GR makeups

I already wrote/mentioned GR Corolla in my previous post is to answer those who always say Toyota underpower. This model does sell officially in Malaysia, but at a very high price tag. Not your so call GR bodykit

A1: Toyota Corolla

A2: Most probably but safest bet is 2026

This post has been edited by nghoongen: Jul 3 2024, 11:16 AM

Yes, I guess that's the main factor. Nevertheless, I don't really understand how they work out the CBU pricing. The Ford Focus 2.0 CBU from Philippines which I bought year 2013, the MSRP is RM115k and after discount it's just RM105k if I recall correctly. To me it's great value when bought new and under warranty. Perhaps things have changed as 10 years has passed.

Whenever is RAINING, go test drive and feel the NVH.
Test the car back to back. Then ask yourself, which you prefer to sit in and spend a few years.
End of the day you're paying the car.

It is surely expensive but even if I have the money, I won't buy it as it only comes in manual transmission. I'm now in the same boat as the OP as handling and power are not important to me anymore these days. 15 years ago yes, but not anymore now. Having said that, as long as the vehicle doesn't take more than 12 seconds to complete a 0-100km/'h, it's more than sufficient for me.

Corolla Cross rides more comfortable than its sedan sibling. Take it over any bump you will know what i mean.

If you are particular with space, my take on comfort and NVH will be Harrier > Camry > Cross.

Honestly between the two the Civic is a better overall package and value proposition. If you can wait, I'd suggest waiting for the Civic FE facelift, the local spec will likely inherit the CR-V's 360º camera and memory seats, and pray to god they come with proper blind spot monitoring instead of LaneWatch™.

BSM no hope in Honda..
At most you can get in civic facelift is similar spec/accesories in CRV.

Do mind you that, Honda car now have steering rack issue.. of course warranty will cover that, you need to wait for parts and send car for replacement..
some owner also repeatly having this issue after parts replacement.

steering rack is like the Achilles heel of civic..

my 2022 FE.. 3rd rack already still ada tuk tuk sound

Think your Q1 already come with answer, just go for Toyota Altis as long the 1.8 na engine's power is sufficient to you.

2025 US version of the Corolla does look nice. But here in Malaysia we likely will get the Asia/China version which has not change much for years.

With local dealership, expect the current model to be same for years with minor change.

Real man drive 3 pedals not sissy automatics.
If you want Automatic, GR Yaris already got 8-speed automatic option, GR Corolla will follow soon as they both use similar engine & transmission.

If manual transmission is for real men, then I'm not sure what do we call the majority of males who drive automatics on the roads here. Fake men?

Anyway, back to topic. I'm aware some of the "true" GR vehicles have automatic transmissions though they only appeal to a niche group of affluent race heads and/or people who have a need for speed. For majority of people who don't have a need for speed (or money), don't need to go there.

Sad to say, a lot of younger generations dont even know how to drive manuals. Manual does give more control and can do more fun stuff like example gymkana, drifting easier. Automatic you cant play with the clutch and adjust how much power slip you want to do, you just step on the fuel paddle and thats all. There are reason why some sport cars still got manual transmission and for those people which really understand the mechanical fun stuff will still go for it.

A second hand lexus

because other competitors give crap engine. honda line up at least give newer 1.5 turbo engine while other competitors still give 10 years ago naturally aspirated engine with poor fuel economy.

today... stuck for 2hrs jam in kepong... then 2hrs jam at karak highway... took me about 10hrs kl to kb

so very glad not driving manual... call me sissy but i dun care

smart men know when to fold... hahaha

Fuel economy poor for N/A engine? I might disagree as it is subjective and depends on driving style.
Try do some highway or track driving with rpm over 3000~4000rpm (140km/h~160km/h) and go against a similar class N/A 1.8 Altis or Mazda 2.0 for same range. If turbo engine always on boost, the fuel economy will not be good and also shorten the service intervals, only when you always light foot at lower rpm then got the fuel economy advantage.

There are reason why some still offer N/A engine as most ownership in Malaysia drag more than 5~10 years above, when you want to own & maintain a vehicle such a long period, people will consider maintenance cost for long run, tell me what is the average of Civic/HRV/CRV turbo owners do maintenance? From most owner i knew usually start to pop up the engine oil monitoring indicator lamp at around 7000km. If you plan to drive to like 100,000km. How many times you need to go into SC compare to other N/A engine models which only need to service/maintain every 10000km?

100,000km SC times
N/A engine - around 10 times (if every 10k)
1.5T engine (if every 7k) - at least 14 times (Additional 4 times)

Not accounting after warranty ends, the infamous CVT gearbox issue, turbo, water/oil cooling (piping) replacements, turbo engine naturally got more parts to worry/wear & tear compare to N/A counterparts. All these are hidden cost for long term ownership, unless you plan to buy and sell every 5 years after warranty ends then no need to worry about it. There are pro and con for every technology.

new facelift civic will finally get 360 camera? really? got source?

i had this on current car, last time used to constant speed at 150-160kmh for long distance drive on 2.4NA, the FC is consider ok, RPM not that high for the speed, I can fill up full at KL and end up at Kuala Terengganu without need to refuel. Take 1.8T car with almost similar hp, drove it at similar speed, need to refuel between that distance, the range keep on lowering as put consistent speed. I love NA for long distance.

This post has been edited by ayamxxx: Jul 9 2024, 04:00 PM

Ehh... so fast sold already arr... engine now powderful enough

It was wife 's car and she wanted back to SUV

Also, latest Honda EHEV hybrid has its own fun.
All the nonsense EV instant torque, without the FC penalties lol

No source but it’s the general pattern for HM

Will Toyota Malaysia bring in the 2025 Corolla Altis?

If yes, then sure buy this over the civic.

S70 is better

S70

S70 real chassis is still B-Segment, it is built under BMA chassis. Their marketing keep on spinning, but in reality is still a longer stretch B-Segment chassis. It should be compare to like City/Vios category.

ignore segmentation/classification lah...

if you like driving... make sure it drives well per your style

if you need space... make sure big enough

if you desire comfort... make sure good nvh can sit for long drives

etc etc...

Sometimes we need to be fair and compare apple to apple, if not later people will take something big premium class and compare to small budget class and complain.

May I ask if there's any links to pictures or videos on the Corolla Altis 2025? So far I've seen some rendering created by artists, not actual car. Perhaps some actual vehicle of the Corolla but those are mostly in the American market which looks completely different from the model we are getting here.

"better" is subjective and there are many areas where it can be better or worse. The Proton S70 already failed my first hurdle or requirement which is in exterior looks. To me it doesn't look elegant. If it doesn't look good, I won't look at it anymore not to mention test-driving it.

s70 kira x70 level of sedan. nowhere to call b-seg
other than pricing

Be honest to yourself

The only think you can't accept is the proton/geely badge

some ppl prioritize look... nothing wrong with that ah....

i know a lady buys on color... she bought red accord despite husband having identical model year accord... lol...

https://global.geely.com/en/news/2021/geely...eration-emgrand

S70 = Original model Emgrand sedan

The latest Emgrand model is the first in the series to be developed on Geely’s B-segment Modular Architecture (BMA).

I wonder what that B means.

FYI, Geely also got CMA chassis.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 11 2024, 06:03 PM

s50 will be what seg ?

my fair comparison is price... $ to $...

but you want to compare best in class is fine too... just another way of sorting/screening... there is no right or wrong here imho...

example i think new alza 60k is great value for money... i also think eletre 700k is great value for money too... but nobody with sound mind will compare them side by side...

BTW, did proton already launch it officially? Previously S70 already been rumored with the original name as S50
You can check the rumors' on the net, during 2022/23 years even paul tan also reported the S70 as S50 only until the official launch they feedback the model as S70.

The other marketing rumour is that the next Persona/Saga replacement will be combine into 1 model and maybe the S50 will be used on that cheaper line. If you look at Saga/Persona marketing target, they are always targeting Perodua Bezza range. If they want to save budget, i foresee they might be using similar chassis as S70, maybe make it shorter or change some design, use normal N/A engine (Maybe the 1.5T 3-cylinder engine without the turbo) to reduce overall cost.

FYI, Proton Saga & Persona all these while original Chassis are under B-Segment, only recent years as they want to compete into Bezza category they market it as A-Segment for Saga. (But in reality is B-Segment all this while)

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 12 2024, 09:47 AM

the Saga, Persona, Iriz sales will be a much higher if they retire the Campro heavy fuel engine with a decent NA engine as what offered by P2, and better GB than this junk Punch CVT. No idea why they keep prolong the Campro engine life, by doing a VVT last time but FC remain poor.

Well, that's inaccurate supposition on your part. For any car to appeal to me, to make me consider buying it, first and foremost is the exterior looks. All other aspects are secondary. If it doesn't look good to me, it's out.

Proton badge is secondary but yes, I try to avoid a Proton car if possible but it's of less importance. If a Proton car looks great, I will consider it. However, based on my long term experience with Proton cars albeit pre-Geely rebadged versions, I tend to avoid it. I also read horror stories about X50 and X70, mainly spare parts unavailability. Other aspects include reliability and quality especially in NVH and not showing noticeable or serious rattling sound inside the cabin within say 2-3 years.

Just to add, due to poor NVH and rattling sound inside the cabin of all Honda cars even fairly new cars, Honda cars are always out of consideration for me despite the nice good looks and impressive spec and performance on paper.

Your impression of x50/x70 had been poisoned by too many sour grape netizens and /k

Unker family and friend owned x50 and x70 for more than 2 years, they still praising how reliable and tip top the quality of their x50/x70 every time when unker met them

I used honda for years, 1000% agreed. no more honda for me.

their accord nvh is worse than many japanese c-segment car.

My worst experience was sitting inside an Accord back in 2013 or 2014, give and take, from KL to a small town in JB and then back to KL again. A business associate drove the car during a company trip. The worst experience was when the vehicle exited the highway and went into the small kampung roads. It's just terrible. Anyway I wouldn't repeat the experience as I posted it on the forum 2 or 3 years ago, and it created a ruckus especially with Honda owners or fans.

Very high speed for sure NA got its own advantage. but to be honest. how many times people driving fast compare to them drive low to mid speed.

some people even never drive fast. and turbo technology still benefit majority people. only small percentage of speed maniac people still love large na.

Even those speed maniac, how often they go high speed compare to low speed. thats why engineer downsizing.

Well, you ask those youngster driving VW & Honda, most of the time on highway i saw they drive more faster than anyone else and try to outpace the Myvi.

Currently own the same model as u, yes poor NVH for all Alor Gajah made. Bought x70 ckd for wife use, NVH miles2 better than HM. First and last HM for me, now thanks to steering rack issues persistent on current gen HM model

made you puke during the journey?

Why this thread then?