Hey guys, so I'm actively considering on upgrading my current daily workhorse which is '06 Honda City GD8 which has been serving close to 18 solid years now. I thought it might be right time for an upgrade and currently on the market for a sub 100k sedan, preferably a reliable daily drive as i cover 40km moderate speed round journey back and forth from my workplace. Snail paced jam along the way hence the current ride is far from comfortable for the peak hour drive.

I'm aware the current face-lifted Honda City offers the most all rounded package but this time around I was hoping to experience a different brand. Also would prefer the traditional Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) over the Lane Watch currently offered by Honda which is not really deal breaker but just a small preference.

That leaves out with Vios, S70 and the Almera turbo. Proton S70 offers the best bang for your buck but contemplating on the Batch 1 production unit, would ideally consider this when it's face-lifted and equipped with AACP. Almera seems like the most aesthetically handsome one of the lot but I've had some heard some colleagues & friends sharing their frustration with the after sales support for previous nissan models. Also RV could be on the downside for the almera.

Vios seems like the practical choice and the inclusion of auto brake hold would come in handy during peak hour klang valley traffic. Yea its based on DNGA and it's closer related to Ativa, myvi & axia compared to it's Toyota siblings but the way I see it, the shared parts would probably accommodate to better spare availability and reasonable pricing for the long term run. In a way I was planning to possibly keep it running as long as it could possibly could before scrapping.

Would vios make the ideal pick or should I just stick with Honda and get the face-lifted upgrade. Any form of suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thank you all.

Yes! Vios is the way. Many Vios users and even Toyota sales people prefer the previous generation Vios than the current DNGA based. I see many current Vios on the road and the square lines albeit boxy shape quite ok.

Problem is if you're over 170/180cm then is a bit cramp for the head room at the back because of the sloping rear section.

There's still the Yaris if you don't mind.

Looks good but not practical due to rear passenger seats ceiling and unable to fold down

Hmm, byd dolphin for something new?

Provided that you have landed house for home charging. If jarang outstation long distances, why not.

I'm not sure what the new Vios can brag about.

Like its Reliable but Dinosaur 1.5L engine that shared with Perodua lineup?
Or the DNGA that also shared by the Perodua lineup which have bad safety outcome outside of the test?

The appearance is awkward as well like they try to be classy but fail to look like one.

Maybe the only selling point is u get a Toyota reliability sedan that is better than Bezza

other than a SEDAN(S70, Vios)

maybe can also wait for P2 D66B Nexis SUV to consider

it's depend you can accept the fact that being a toyota but with parts from Daihatsu/Perodua .... and also they have perodua safely sense compared to toyota. Some of the safety feature like terrible lane keep assist, it cant keep you in the middle but to pull you back to the middle only when you touch the line.

I was once considering Vios because the look really good, and turn me down when it use all daihatsu/perodua part and snap a toyota badge on it.

Might as well wait for perodua yaris cross or just get a Alza instead of paying more money but get back the same thing with perodua.

This post has been edited by claudetan: Jun 19 2024, 11:42 AM

I'm not really a big fan of S70 but S70 is a no brainer, why go for others.

1.5 MPI ( easier to take care thn TGDI ), DCT 7 speed and equipped with tech goodies. Why for go 1.5 NA?

you can get S70 Flagship with vios 1.5E price..
S70 Flagship X is cheaper than 1.5G Vios..

Reliability? Parts? Brand name? peace of mind?

for me better you get S70 and kept your honda city..

Yup.

Unless TS worried about fuel consumption then a 1.5NA would suffice if heavy acceleration not needed.

For 76K can get this with same engine, gearbox, chassis as Vios

Having own 2010 City, 2018 Civic FC, 2022 City Hatchback and also a 2023 VIOS G, here are my feedback:

The price tag of 90k after 5k discount for G spec makes it a complete car to drive on the day you collect it from the dealer. It comes with decent 17" with conti premium C tyres which are better than the Toyo on the City. Windows are tinted, though not the best, still useable. Interior lightings are all in white LED instead of yellow bulbs found in the city. Plus you get a full digital meter cluster, 360 camera, and more importantly, a sharper, larger touch screen display with clearer reverse camera too. The city has a very terrible lane watch and reverse camera!

The boxy shape can be subjective but it kind of grew on me over time. Wind noise is noisy compared to the 2 citys I have in the family. Suspension feels softer on the Vios but the seats feels less supportive compared to the Hondas. Rear legroom is where the CITY excels as it has even longer legroom compared to the Civic FC!

Latest VIOS improves on the driving experience when compared to last gen VIOS and the Yaris. Steering feels sportier and you get more road feedback to the steering. However, both the engine and DCVT delivers power in a choppy manner; While the CITY provides a much linear and better acceleration.

In the end, it all boils down to what you prefer. Test drive both cars and see which feels better in your hand

Dugong is still Godcar to me…

https://weirdkaya.com/msian-womans-rm51k-to...k-of-buying-it/

No such thing as god car

daihatsu 1.5 are gem

new vios is the most complete b segment car right now.

no need compare with almera, compare only with City

Vios has 360 camera, EPB autohold, BSM, wireless AA/AC and wireless charging - which City dont have. from this also can see, Vios is more complete

This is the fake pretender … only Dugong Vios is the Godcar

i really like vios.. but no spare tyre is really a huge turn off for me.. they say it's to improve fuel economy.. but i dont think it affect that much

this is used vios, not the new model

summore from used car shop, probably kena tipu

Left out the above in my sharing above... the EPB and autohold feature is a must have for city driving! The city you will need to get the hybrid variant for these feature. Also, the EPB feature will come with rear disc brakes too!

Spare tyre can be subjective as well. I bought the vios for my wife for city drive. She would not change the tyre herself and would likely resort to calling a tow truck instead.

During weekend or outstation, we will take my Civic out anyway.

Also, saw many selling their vios tyre and rims at RM400 in vios fb group if its really needed. Even during my 10k service, the service agent tried to sell me a spare tyre which he say they have in stock!

if buy the spare tyre outside, then where can we put it?

Go for the Vios. Personally I think it is more refined these days (its subjective). Some say its the 'new' Corolla. And the Corolla is the 'new' Camry etc. You won't go wrong with the Vios. It's almost like driving a C segment now.

This post has been edited by jlim2004: Jun 20 2024, 10:52 AM

Just go to fb and search for the VIOS gen 4 group. U can see many ppl manage to DIY or cut at accessories shop the foam tools holder to fit in the 17" full size spare tyre. Looks very neat!

If you can live with :

1. no spare tyres
2. Non foldable rear seats
3. shared parts from perodua

get the vios.

I'm a city owner so I might be biased. But you can ask me if you are wondering anything about City FL

This post has been edited by MegaCanonF: Jun 20 2024, 12:17 PM

i'm driving a 2011 city now. and being an uncle now with 2 kids, overall i think honda comfort is less than desirable if compare to toyota?

my next car is likely going to be a 2nd hand altis or camry.
likely altis is good enough.

j spec yup. easily mod to trd race

Gods at HIS many incarnations?!

Yes I know. But a God car is supposed to be indestructible. Just some mortal's long years usage and abuses is NOTHING to GOD.

Anyway, as a used to be Toyota owner , I can tell you there is no such thing call God car. So I stick to my original statement. You can't even call it God Like Car

It is an abomination to thy God, to anyone's God for that matter

city to vios mcm not upgrade, go for civic or altis then is upgrade

Err… sorry if my earlier statement offended your religious sensitivities.

S70 is the most value for money.
Bigger and more comfort too.
Doesnt hear much negative or horror stories about the s70 too.

Proton improved after Geely bought them over eh?

To me without these two

1. no spare tyres
2. Non foldable rear seats

Won't be a choice. If ts OK then go ahead with it

Get the honda S spec. 80k and already got ADAS and ACC.

Then install 360 cam outside with full HD cameras. These days you can get a very decent one for about 1.5to2k.

Proton has always been good with their simpler A and B segment cars. For bigger cars their formula is always rebadge previously is mitsubishi and honda. Now geely, so far so good except the fuel consumption slightly higher.
I think its a good car for the price.

And if you use Bold Oil, the S70 will out race a 911.

Ahahahaha. Wont la. Engine oil does not increase engine performance anyway. Most it helps to bring out the highest potential of the engine only.
So many ktards though i am bold salesman and aggressive replies . Makes me wonder if a few of them are actually engine oil salesman and just trying to kill off people like me affecting their rice bowl. Kinda fun also talking with them lol

Hahahaha. I’m glad you took my joke in the right spirit.

None taken. Cheers

The 2nd hand of Altis 1.8 year 2019 should be around 95k. The car drive comfortable yet capable to take fast corner with linear body roll. With the TNGA and rear suspension setup in double wishbone, this is really a good car. Civic is definitely better in power but Altis is better in handing and riding experience.

yeah. i sit in my relative 2000-ish altis. it creaks as you would expect from an old car.
but at the same time surprisingly the comfort level is still higher than my city, in terms of ride.

2019 is still a bit steep price for me now. especially considering 2nd hand loan interest.
but i know i must get at least 2017 onwards or at least a V spec before that to get VSC, which my current city don't have.
everything else technological is just bonus for me.

in any case, i still have time on my side, although some of the short coming of my city, its fully paid, not many problem (just wear and tear) and i like it when i drive alone. just with family, sometimes feel suspension not good enough. but hey, growing up, my family don't even have a car, so for me, I'm grateful.

but I'm also realistic, probably need another car 3 years down the road. and by then hopefully can get 2019. gosh it looks really nice.
but I'm equally happy with 2017.

was thinking if i should get an older camry for the same budget but kinda unsure about maintenance price.


note: my bro is still driving a very beat up corolla SEG.

This post has been edited by cempedaklife: Jun 21 2024, 08:50 AM

New Vios

Pros
Good handling and riding experience
Realiability
Fuel efficiency
Full safety features
Electronic parking brake and brake hold

Cons
No spare tyre (call tow truck service)
Non foldable rear seat
Jerky CVT

Isn’t CVT supposed to be silky smooth!?

The designer of this dual-mode CVT somehow keep the gearbox simulate like auto having "gear change" while in D mode, I personally don't like it. And in low speed sometimes the car jerk when the leg leave the gas pedal. In slow climbing road and step harder can feel the car vibrate a bit, but I feel the same on the Nissan Serena which my brother own.

My family own a new Alza which using the same engine and gearbox like the new Vios. New Alza ride and handling is quite impressive and I believe Vios gonna perform better since it has lower center of gravity. My own ride is a VW model with MQB platform.

Just my 2 cents, I went and checked out the Vios. For me, 180cm and family members around 176 - 182cm height, the rear passenger seat space disappoints me. Just sitting properly upright, my head is already touching or more accurately hitting the headliner. Which is sad, cause I liked the vios

Want sporty looks sure got disadvantage, same as the Camry during ACV30 the big butt version the rear passenger head room really is good, but ACV40 onwards want to make it look sportier sacrifice the rear head room also...

Tire noise? I used to have City 2008. The tire noise is unbearable loud. The sound is deafening.

Yeah, looks good but didn't expect the sacrifice so be drastic. Serious tak friendly for taller passengers, imagine have to slouch for most of the ride.

For the same money probably can opt for the Veloz --- same engine, same platform, same instrument panel, same features....... better still, get an Alza.

The 2008 city comes in GY eagle NCT which is very noisy!

All B segment lacks noise insulation, even C seg has very minimal noise insulation now days.

Quick solution would be to change to comfort tyre such as Primacy or UC7, the more exp solution is to do the noise insulation outside...

I replaced the original tires on the same day I collected my car. Changed multiple brands, but none is helping.