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ye0073
post Jun 4 2024, 02:57 PM

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EV car plate will be next. Hope it is green color.

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post Jun 4 2024, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jun 4 2024, 02:57 PM)
EV car plate will be next. Hope it is green color.

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This transport minister... always sell special car plate number every few months....last time is FFF this time is what?
better do more on EV cars or green electricity so attract more ppl to use EV, so gov pay less petrol subsidy
like 1 to 1 replace old car with new EV car can get tax rebate or something similar...
ye0073
post Jun 4 2024, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(mlamlam @ Jun 4 2024, 03:51 PM)
This transport minister... always sell special car plate number every few months....last time is FFF this time is what?
better do more on EV cars or green electricity so attract more ppl to use EV, so gov pay less petrol subsidy
like 1 to 1 replace old car with new EV car can get tax rebate or something similar...
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Or maybe like Norway. Free toll given to all EV.
RFID tagged EV, will be entitled free toll.
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post Jun 4 2024, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jun 4 2024, 04:02 PM)
Or maybe like Norway. Free toll given to all EV.
RFID tagged EV, will be entitled free toll.
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Then who is to pay for the maintenance for the highway ?

Strange demand bro
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post Jun 4 2024, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Jun 4 2024, 04:28 PM)
Then who is to pay for the maintenance for the highway ? 

Strange demand bro
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For norway case its the petrol car owners still need to pay for toll.

But anyway in Norway the free toll for EV has been (or about to) be removed becaused they already achieve the 90% new car EV sales.

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post Jun 4 2024, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Jun 4 2024, 04:28 PM)
Then who is to pay for the maintenance for the highway ? 

Strange demand bro
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Highway maintenance still can support by those ICE owners. Total car registration in 2024, EV only 1.4%.
99% can still support the maintenance.

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post Jun 4 2024, 05:03 PM

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don't get why EVs drivers are getting cheaper roadtax.
Well the only reason is to attract people to buy EVs.
But EVs are only targeting T20 markets, would T20 even care about few hundred ringgits difference per annum when they renew their roadtax?

Unless we have EVs around price of Myvi, I only would think rich will be richer, especially when petrol subsidies are getting removed soon.
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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jun 4 2024, 04:46 PM)
Highway maintenance still can support by those ICE owners. Total car registration in 2024, EV only 1.4%.
99% can still support the maintenance.

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post Jun 4 2024, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ Jun 4 2024, 05:03 PM)
don't get why EVs drivers are getting cheaper roadtax.
Well the only reason is to attract people to buy EVs.
But EVs are only targeting T20 markets, would T20 even care about few hundred ringgits difference per annum when they renew their roadtax?

Unless we have EVs around price of Myvi, I only would think rich will be richer, especially when petrol subsidies are getting  removed soon.
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Not sure why people still saying ev's for T20.. a BYD is always cheaper than the Honda equivalent models.. and you dont complain Honda's cheap 1.5 turbo roadtax..
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post Jun 4 2024, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(icebryanchan @ Jun 4 2024, 05:03 PM)
don't get why EVs drivers are getting cheaper roadtax.
Well the only reason is to attract people to buy EVs.
But EVs are only targeting T20 markets, would T20 even care about few hundred ringgits difference per annum when they renew their roadtax?

Unless we have EVs around price of Myvi, I only would think rich will be richer, especially when petrol subsidies are getting  removed soon.
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EVs under 100k from Perodua and Proton are coming real soon anyway (most probably next year) so I don't see a reason why gomen shouldn't set a cheaper roadtax structure for EV drivers.

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post Jun 4 2024, 10:20 PM

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Im wondering how gov get the horsepower? They dont really test 1 by 1 right?

If tesla say his model 3 180kW only, they just take the number?
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post Jun 5 2024, 07:01 AM

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PUTRAJAYA: The government will introduce special license plate frames for electric vehicles (EVs) to distinguish them from internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles.

Transport Minister Anthony Loke said the special plate frames will be issued by the vehicle manufacturers and installed directly onto the vehicles.

"We will introduce special plates, not (vehicle registration) numbers, to differentiate between EV and ICE vehicles soon.

"The plates will be issued by the respective vehicle companies, so we will work with them regarding the materials to be used and so on.

"I don't want to announce it today, please wait for the details," he said at a press conference here today.

Previously, Loke said unique license plates are useful for identification purposes, safety and to facilitate rescue operations in the event of an incident.

He said rescue teams, especially the Fire and Rescue Department of Malaysia (JBPM), face difficulties in distinguishing between EVs and regular vehicles based solely on appearance.

Meanwhile, Loke said there are no plans to reduce road tax rates for ICE vehicles, following the introduction of the Motor Vehicle License (LKM) fees for EVs.

He said the government does not intend to make changes to the LKM fees for ICE vehicles because the existing rates are already low and reasonable.

"No (intention to reduce LKM fees for ICE vehicles) because we are currently encouraging the use of EVs and now we are focusing on reducing road tax prices for EVs.

"For existing ICE vehicles, at this time we are not making changes to the road tax (prices) because most people still use ICE, and if we want to increase the rate, it might affect their costs," he said.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/06/...google_vignette

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post Jun 5 2024, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jun 4 2024, 04:02 PM)
Or maybe like Norway. Free toll given to all EV.
RFID tagged EV, will be entitled free toll.
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I will wait until my neck is as long as a giraffe's for that day....
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Jun 4 2024, 10:20 PM)
Im wondering how gov get the horsepower? They dont really test 1 by 1 right?

If tesla say his model 3 180kW only, they just take the number?
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In Singapore (I can't comment about Malaysia), the tests are run independently and the rating given to Singapore standards (both for emissions - to qualify for rebates, as well as hp - to determine the tax bracket).
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post Jun 5 2024, 09:08 AM

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This EV roadtax policy certain help to boost some confident on EV car sales. I think in future maybe gov can consider to give privillege to EV car such as entering to KL city centre like KLCC, Bukit Bintang etc during weekend. Some exemption given such as taxi, e-hailing, travel buses or van, or some special cases ICE vehicle allowed. People may furious but they can take public transport to KL city prime area.

Gov already choose to subsidize B40 and M40 for Ron95, gov should take away some convenient from these group and benefit to those people who willing to use EV car.
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post Jun 5 2024, 09:16 AM

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https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2024/06/...-road-tax-rates

The article contains a table of formulas. Good for the file


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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 4 2024, 02:18 PM)
Money grab. They are taxing on kW output. Last time was on cc. Now EVs no engine capacity, they tax on kW pulak. Blatant money grab
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post Jun 5 2024, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jun 4 2024, 04:02 PM)
Or maybe like Norway. Free toll given to all EV.
RFID tagged EV, will be entitled free toll.
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here free, there free
EV is a crown prince is it
so much importance ones for something that's still running on limited resource energy as of now.

QUOTE(autodriver @ Jun 5 2024, 09:08 AM)
This EV roadtax policy certain help to boost some confident on EV car sales. I think in future maybe gov can consider to give privillege to EV car such as entering to KL city centre like KLCC, Bukit Bintang etc during weekend. Some exemption given such as taxi, e-hailing, travel buses or van, or some special cases ICE vehicle allowed. People may furious but they can take public transport to KL city prime area.

Gov already choose to subsidize B40 and M40 for Ron95, gov should take away some convenient from these group and benefit to those people who willing to use EV car.
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For what will this achieve actually? a transport alternative will solve economic situation by limited traffic flow to city center?
It's sounds great if every EV car owner willing to spend the difference they bring over though by the sounds of it the spending power sounds as cheap as their roadtax now.
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QUOTE(Neo|ofGeo @ Jun 5 2024, 01:51 PM)
here free, there free
EV is a crown prince is it
so much importance ones for something that's still running on limited resource energy as of now.
For what will this achieve actually? a transport alternative will solve economic situation by limited traffic flow to city center?
It's sounds great if every EV car owner willing to spend the difference they bring over though by the sounds of it the spending power sounds as cheap as their roadtax now.
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Try ask young people living in KV what are their wishes when they start working after graduate from school. I highly believe most people will answer, get a car to commute and blame the public transport. And the nightmare started where people commit on the car loan and always the young people mismanage their financial and ruined their life.

Imagine fresh grad salary in average RM 2500 and get home about RM 2200. Paying a Myvi of average RM 600 instalment, RM 300 petrol, RM 100 parking and tolls will make up RM 1000 which almost half of salary gone. Do not forget that this has not include the yearly insurance cost, schedule maintenance and wear and tear like tyres. We should encourage young people take public transport that only cost them monthly RM 50 (Myrapid pass). When people save up the money spending on vehicle they can use this fund for better education for kids, better lifestyle which help boost economy and so on. At the same time with less people using car, gov can save up more cost on petrol subsidy.

If gov do not come out some policy to limit the traffic flow to city center, the congestion will be getting worse. ICE stuck in traffic jam consume more energy compare to EV.
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QUOTE(autodriver @ Jun 6 2024, 08:12 AM)
Try ask young people living in KV what are their wishes when they start working after graduate from school. I highly believe most people will answer, get a car to commute and blame the public transport. And the nightmare started where people commit on the car loan and always the young people mismanage their financial and ruined their life.

Imagine fresh grad salary in average RM 2500 and get home about RM 2200. Paying a Myvi of average RM 600 instalment, RM 300 petrol, RM 100 parking and tolls will make up RM 1000 which almost half of salary gone. Do not forget that this has not include the yearly insurance cost, schedule maintenance and wear and tear like tyres. We should encourage young people take public transport that only cost them monthly RM 50 (Myrapid pass). When people save up the money spending on vehicle they can use this fund for better education for kids, better lifestyle which help boost economy and so on. At the same time with less people using car, gov can save up more cost on petrol subsidy.

If gov do not come out some policy to limit the traffic flow to city center, the congestion will be getting worse. ICE stuck in traffic jam consume more energy compare to EV.
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You are not supporting your statement at all, while your example is a better alternative(public transports) but your main argument in the end is counter productive.

While argument can be made on technology advantages between car types, economically it doesn't make any sense as with the implementation of such ruling you are expecting pretty much government to take responsibilities on handling everything from answering to private business owners, private parking owners, private mall owners, private companies and etc on regulation and adherences.

Why? all of these for vehicle that again, still not sustainable on its own(manufacturing, maintenance and battery replacement), using energy that's generated with coal(in Malaysia).



P/s : I think one of the sweetest dream E.V car owners is selling right now is that somehow the infrastructure to support the ecosystem will magically scale as more adaptation of the car on the road. It's all business and trades and if populace isn't finding it attractive it will ended up like Windows smartphones.


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