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Iconia18
post Feb 20 2025, 04:35 PM

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Mungkin kena ada breakaway league district/club based. Ataupn semua team apply masuk liga premier jela. Tggal jdt je kat liga super.


Iconia18
post May 30 2025, 12:21 AM

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Surprisingy nazmi is quite good. Early game mcm gugup but grow into the game.
Another one is ubai. Main full kan. Quite good chemistry with harith.
Iconia18
post Jun 4 2025, 11:32 AM

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Tbh im slowly losing interest on national team and even the league.

But first half vs cape verde haritu with mostly real local players makes me feel excited a bit.

And now the droves of players coming in suddenly again kill the patriotic feeling i guess. I can accept kalau sorg key players utk lead backline mcm mamat la liga tu.

Now probably national team just become a team similar to jdt. With arif aiman as import.

Unless this team can bring us to world cup or pass the group stage in asian cup. Then nampak la berbaloi. Kalau tak ini just killing the local football without any real direction.

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post Jun 4 2025, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Jun 4 2025, 05:53 PM)
2-2 aku ok tp masalahnya yang tak ok, siap call out “team anak jati vs anak naturalisasi”

Wakakak dah mcm berdosa gila ko ada opinion yang lain. Masa santokh singh ada diff opinion teruk dia kena

And we are in an era where FAM akhirnya dpt backup dr fans wakakkaaka. Tak pernah trjadi since aku tgk bola dari kecik

Ultras MFL dan altras FAM is real.
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Aku completely ok yg mcm cools, corbin, wilkin, brendan, noaa yg clear ade rights utk call themselves malaysian based on parents, grandparents.

Tp yg claim heritage jauh sgt ni hopefully properly ade document or betul2 ade lineage claim to malaysia laa. Sbb fifa rules ni simple je, ko dpt nationality, heritage tak heritage ke boleh je.

Just dont claim heritage kalau sbnrnye naturalisasi.

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post Jun 5 2025, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(stillriver80 @ Jun 4 2025, 09:25 PM)
Actually rules fifa sampai grandparents je... kes mcm mats deijl yg cuba dptkan kerakyatan malaysia tapi tak lulus tu sbb moyang dia rakyat malaysia, bukan nenek...

Utk rekod kat malaysia ni pemain naturalisasi yg tak ada langsung pertalian darah dengan malaysia ialah sumareh, matdon, de pola, josue, lee tuck, romel morales & aguero..
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Ini yg aku maksudkan, ape proof dorg semua ni mmg ade heritage tu. Most of the time even grandparents pn ssh nak cari surat beranak balik. FAM kena be really2 transparent on the lineage.

Kena igt timor leste kantoi sbb palsukan dokumen. Diorg pn claim heritage.

Harap2 kite jgn terjebak sama la. Kat malaysia ni mcm2 ada..project ic ada, project surat beranak ada.
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post Jun 10 2025, 11:30 PM

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A win is a win. JF, garces, hector, dion and corbin is the core of the team.

Tapi agak terkilan we are up 3-0 to the end of the match so i expect 2-3 pure local subs would go in. At least the likes of faisal, ubai.

Coach need to send thw right message to the pure locals. Tempat masih ada. Need to fight for it.
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post Jun 11 2025, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(nanamiwashio @ Jun 11 2025, 07:55 AM)
For the good of naturalized vs anak jati camp i just hope tmj and fam tak trigger the so called “fasa kedua” of naturalized passport yet.
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Betul.

Satu lg i think its inevitable vietnam or some countries in the future would file formal complaint to investigate the players lineage and documentation.

Some ppl already did some statistical research based on malaysian diaspora in argentina and how impossible statistically for us to have potential 37 players with malaysian blood in their top leagues.

Media kena main peranan. Interview dorg2 ni so that its clear on their lineage. Mcm hector havel already did.

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post Aug 11 2025, 12:05 PM

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Baru first game aku dah nak rant kat mfl ni. First game tfc 10 hb Penang second game 13 hb ganu. 11 hb travel balik, 12hb rest 13 hb main balik.

Game liga weekend to weekend la bodo. Midweek tu selagi boleh isi dgn cup game je so that player boleh rotate and recuperate. Kalau desperate sgt on schedule baru buat liga midweek and kalau camtu space betul2 la mcm jumaat dgn selasa.

Kalau tak cukup masa then start la Liga awal. Amek budak tak sekolah ke buat jadual.

Awal season dah bikin panass. Tak professional lgsg.

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post Sep 4 2025, 10:44 PM

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Min 79. It happens, first time in history Malaysian team only with naturalization and heritage players.

Struggling to win convincingly against singapore.

Adding more insult is safawi + fh only subbed in at min 92.

This is stupid. Aku xtau mcm mana sensible Malaysian can accept this.

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post Sep 8 2025, 09:49 PM

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Much better balance of team between local talent and naturalisasi. And they can compete. Harith haiqal, shahrul, nazmi, quentin have a very good first half.

Mcm ni yg fans mcm aku nak tgk. Kena ade good mix. Bukan jd second filipin.

And Joao figueredo mmg nampak semangat playing for the country so thats a plus point for me.

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post Sep 26 2025, 11:15 PM

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Been saying it again and again it doesn't make a f**king sense.

If the news is true then ini mmg episode hitam terbesar dlm sejarah bola negara.
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post Sep 26 2025, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 26 2025, 11:26 PM)
Gila
Apa nk jd dgn bolasepak kampung pny industri

Sapa nak bayar ni

Candu dah sedap sgt
Sanggup lps semua masalah kt org lain
Bila dah high, x perasan candu dah campur barang terlarang

Maybe over la tp hard reset to our local league will be this time? Its too much already
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Kalau semua ni contain dlam Malaysia je ok tp some of the players involve tu kira high profile mcm garces. Satu dunia tgk kat kes Malaysia ni nnti.

Ini gila kira mcm menconteng arang kat rakyat. Country caught cheating.

To make a fast comeback from this almost impossible If we cant do something in 10 days.

TMJ hang ejas la mcm mana pn ini mmg keje hang.

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post Sep 26 2025, 11:48 PM

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What makes it more weird is rumours someone suddenly selling a plot of land for sgd 2 billion in singapore.

Harap jgn jd keje gali lubang tutup lubang laaa.
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post Sep 27 2025, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(lat @ Sep 27 2025, 12:36 AM)
Sorry bro slow sikit. Apa kaitan 2bil?
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Fifa ni corrupt.

Kalau konon entiti yg nk sabotaj bola negara ni for example erick thohir since dia je yg nampak bnyk amek gambo dgn infantino especially since fifa move their office to indon. Then ni most likely ada melibatkan certain kickback. We also know how corrupt Indonesia is as a country.

But that doesn't mean our own organization ni suci. Cara dpt players tu sndiri very dodgy..then faham2 sndiri la duit ni boleh lawn dgn duit jgk.

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post Sep 27 2025, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Rocko @ Sep 27 2025, 02:28 PM)
Haha sampai DG JPN pn kena kuarkan PS 'in good faith' nk try dmg ctrl this mess.. birth cert baru dikeluarkan sbb birth cert lama x jumpa. U can senss where this can be construed as forging
Interesting to see stance of kj, blame shifting to fifa terus sbb luluskan in d first place rather than calling for due dilligence and more transparency to soothe the battered public image
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This is exactly the case with Timor Leste last time. Kira forgery of birth cert.

Kalau dlm mahkamah ada term 'beyond reasonable doubt'. FAM kena tnjuk bukti utk bagi cerita heritage dorg ni beyond reasonable doubt before bagi new birth cert. Mcm dion cools, corbin, etc senang sbb backstory behind quite strong and bagi surat beranak baru utk mak bapak, nenek pn xde org question.

Mcm mana kita boleh fall for this I don't understand. Satu, buat kerja biar clean. Bagi rumours build up dlu utk sorg dua players baru selitkan cerita pasal lineage ke apa. Bagi build up dlu beberapa bulan baru cerita pasal nak naturalisasi bagai.

Bnd ni aku question berkali2 dlu, story kena clear. At leas xde evidence pn tp story kena strong .




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post Sep 28 2025, 01:48 PM

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Yg penting skarang fifa kena clear tiga benda

If lose appeal :

1. Fam kena gantung means national team pn kena gantung?

2. Fam kena gantung so what happen to Liga under fam? Kena gantung?

3. Kalau national team tak kena gantung, then what happen to the previous results when those 7 played? Kira forfeit?

Kalau tiga2 ni jawapannye yes then habislah.

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post Sep 29 2025, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(stillriver80 @ Sep 28 2025, 11:46 PM)
Tp rasanya klu ada pesalah yg buat salah kne bg peluang dulu utk bela diri kan... xleh la terus jatuh hukuman baru nk bg peluang merayu bela diri utk kata tak bersalah... ke cmne? Cuma yg musykil knp fifa bg lulus dulu in 1st place? Diorg x semak betul2 ke dokumen sblm ni?
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Sbb tu kita kena tuduh based on falsified docs.

Fifa endorse based on 'proven' doc yg kita bg. Tp burden of proof still on fam not fifa.

So most likely bila ada org complain fifa run its own investigation on the lineage. X susah pn die just perlu hantar PI utk check every family je dgn government records semua.

Tp aku x tkejut pn kalau either Vietnam or indon yg antor PI and bg result dekat fifa.

So kena clear balik sekarang. Fifa tuduh kita (FAM and government) doctored/falsified docs eg birth cert utk prove those players have Malaysia heritage but based on their investigation THEY ARE NOT.

Means kita as organization and country dah lose credibility.

Sbb tu JPN keluarkan statement. Malu la kalau gov kena tuduh cheating.

Mcm kantoi jkk kampung cop slip gaji tipu.

Igt burden of proof sentiasa FAM and PLAYERS as applicants. So kita kena cari jalan utk prove Fifa investigation is wrong.

And kes ni bnyk dah jd, Bolivia, Timor Leste, etc.

Cuma bnyk2 bnd aku x faham satu bnd je. Yg claim on initial list of heritage players tu dtg dari fifa.

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post Sep 29 2025, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(stillriver80 @ Sep 29 2025, 09:07 AM)
tapi knp tak runs this investigation awal2 sebelum bagi kelulusan penuh utk beraksi dgn malaysia? ibarat mcm nak sabotaj dari awal... dah bagi kelulusan pastu tarik balik & bagi free wins kpd negara yg lawan kita.... ni melibatkan international issue kot kena check btul2 kan sblm bagi kelulusan? knp mats diejl tak lepas, boleh lak check lineage dia sampai moyang je?
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Tu yg aku mention burden of proof itu FAM. Fifa takleh assume ahli gabungan dia antor falsified docs. Die assume document tu semua betul la and due diligence semua fam dah buat.

Keje fam - investigate lineage, prep docs, apply based on facts.

Keje fifa - tgk docs and approve. Fifa kena assume yg xkan fam nak menipu or gov Malaysia nak menipu. Xleh mntak fifa pulak utk pegi investigate. Ini bukan keje dia.

Keje Vietnam/indon - raise dispute and doubts based on their own investigation. Ask fifa to launch independent investigation.

Kalau dekat court hakim xleh assume peguambela pakai false evidence. Kalau proven peguambela pakai false evidence boleh kena ban terus Dari court and practice lepas tu.

Sbb tu fam skrg kena tggu full verdict and reasons dari fifa, kenapa fifa ckp doc tu falsified. Ape details.Apa investigation dorg dah buat and kite comeback dgn our own version lah utk counter. Kalau dorg tak agree then bwk CAS.

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post Sep 29 2025, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(stillriver80 @ Sep 29 2025, 09:31 AM)
sbb tu kata knp bagi lepas kalau ada keraguan dari awal? takkan diorg tak tau dokumen tu baru dikeluarkan atau tak? dah bila dah tau dokumen baru dikeluarkan kenapa tak cross check terus dengan negara2 kelahiran? in the end ini melibatkan keputusan besar utk perlawanan antarabangsa & prossibility utk kena gantung & ban... juga maruah negara serta kredibiliti badan yg menguruskan pendaftaran kewarganegaraan.... takleh la base on assumptions yg government malaysia takkan menipu... diorg dah lama dlm bidang ni kan takkan takde unit yg memantau kes2 mcm ni sblm bagi kelulusan sbb bkn malaysia je yg buat bnda ni...
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Die mcmni bang. Kite xleh salahkan fifa sbb tak cek. Mcm aku ckp td itu bukan keje dia. Keje dia bagi guideline on doc needed. Dalam kes ni kite yg allegedly salah sbb menipu fifa eventhough kite ahli gabungan.

Tp betul ke kite menipu?. Itu yg kite kena defend diri sndiri sekarang. Bwk semua lawyer and facts bagai and cross check dgn fifa finding.

Kalau betul kite tak menipu xde mslh sbb boleh bwk ke CAS.

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post Oct 7 2025, 07:23 AM

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Gila betul la benda ni. Before lawn Vietnam dlu exactly benda ni la yg aku dk ckp dalam forum ni dgn fb bagai. If Vietnam report and ask for investigation. And mcm mana kalau kita kantoi.

Benda mcm ni pn xleh pk ke fam, menteri, jpn bagai. Ini bukan takat issue main utk Malaysia. Ini issue integrity.

Seriously kalau aku jd PM and kite xde valid comeback utk benda ni aku pecat menteri kbs, rombak fam etc.



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