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post May 15 2024, 07:57 AM, updated 2y ago

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STAR NW Kudos to Sarawak, a state to be emulated by the Peninsula! Why?

Reasons as follows:

1) Sarawak secondary schools will be teaching Maths&Science subjects in English from 2026.

2) The state will also bring back assessments for Year 6 and Form 3 students,replacing the scrapped UPSR and PT3 exams.

3) Sarawak will be the first state to produce green hydrogen for export.

4) Its the first state to introduce Autonomous Rapid Transit (ART) for its Kuching Urban Transportation System (KUTS).This is a trackless articulated hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle running on dedicated lines.Now JB wants to follow suit for its LRT linking to RTS-Singapore, as its cheaper than building elevated tracks.

5) Now,latest news yesterday is Petroleum Sarawak (PETROS) will take over natural gas trading activities from Petronas in July.

6) It has offered itself as a regional host for SEA Games 2027.

7) Lastly, Sarawak will export electricity power to Singapore from 2031.

I believe in 5 to 10 years time, Sarawak will be advanced in its technological innovation, matching developed nations like Singapore. ALL above reasons will attract more tourists, investment and inbound migration to the state.

Lee Hui Seng,

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Peninsular politicians insisted cable must land in Johor before connecting to sg.

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sawarak should focus on their own people first before talking about exporting power. right now soo many people with no or unstable power supply there even basic services are interupted on daily basis.

Good move tho but please. give all electricity coverage 1st before exporting it
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QUOTE(11c @ May 15 2024, 07:57 AM)
STAR NW Kudos to Sarawak, a state to be emulated by the Peninsula! Why?

Reasons as follows:

1) Sarawak secondary schools will be teaching Maths&Science subjects in English from 2026. 

2) The state will also bring back assessments for Year 6 and Form 3 students,replacing the scrapped UPSR and PT3 exams.

3) Sarawak will be the first state to produce green hydrogen for export.

4) Its the first state to introduce Autonomous Rapid Transit (ART) for its Kuching Urban Transportation System (KUTS).This is a trackless articulated hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle running on dedicated lines.Now JB wants to follow suit for its LRT linking to RTS-Singapore, as its cheaper than building elevated tracks.

5) Now,latest news yesterday is Petroleum Sarawak (PETROS) will take over natural gas trading activities from Petronas in July.

6) It has offered itself as a regional host for SEA Games 2027.

7) Lastly, Sarawak will export electricity power to Singapore from 2031.

I believe in 5 to 10 years time, Sarawak will be advanced in its technological innovation, matching developed nations like Singapore. ALL above reasons will attract more tourists, investment and inbound migration to the state.

Lee Hui Seng,
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one more.. Sarawak Airlines will take over MAG Borneo subsidiary (MASWings). They plan to acquire COMAC C919 for narrowbody plane.
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Sarawak need more people.

It cannot go anywhere if population still low.
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
sawarak should focus on their own people first before talking about exporting power. right now soo many people with no or unstable power supply there even basic services are interupted on daily basis.

Good move tho but please. give all electricity coverage 1st before exporting it
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You sarawakian? You got first hand experience in this statement?
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
sawarak should focus on their own people first before talking about exporting power. right now soo many people with no or unstable power supply there even basic services are interupted on daily basis.

Good move tho but please. give all electricity coverage 1st before exporting it
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they still have 7 years to go b4 exporting to SG.
probably by 2030.. already covered majority of the populated area.
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post May 15 2024, 08:05 AM

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Sarawak has a lot hydropower, and singapore wants green energy

Singapore dont want coal power from peninsular malaysia
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 15 2024, 07:59 AM)
Peninsular politicians insisted cable must land in Johor before connecting to sg.
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If not johor then the cable should land where?
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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 15 2024, 08:05 AM)
If not johor then the cable should land where?
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From Sarawak, could land in sg.

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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
sawarak should focus on their own people first before talking about exporting power. right now soo many people with no or unstable power supply there even basic services are interupted on daily basis.

Good move tho but please. give all electricity coverage 1st before exporting it
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sarawak today have surplus of electricity
what you're mentioning is infrastructure
infrastructure need money to build hence selling the electricity

sabah is the one that is low in electricity and infra is also the issue
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 15 2024, 08:04 AM)
You sarawakian? You got first hand experience in this statement?
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Im not sarawakian. But i do work with people involve. Its not a negative statement u know. Its a good thing. All i ask is priorities areas inside sarawak 1st.
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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 15 2024, 08:05 AM)
If not johor then the cable should land where?
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post May 15 2024, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 15 2024, 08:17 AM)
sarawak today have surplus of electricity
what you're mentioning is infrastructure
infrastructure need money to build hence selling the electricity

sabah is the one that is low in electricity and infra is also the issue
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Agreed. I do think federal should do more in building up the infrastructure in states
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post May 15 2024, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:20 AM)
Agreed. I do think federal should do more in building up the infrastructure in states
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this one....sometimes not federal issue...it's 50/50
sometimes money is given but money don't know go where

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too early to predict, these thing need wait minimum 20-30 years to see the effect

but eh using everything english is good

sarawak and sabah should already independant if they want...
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QUOTE(11c @ May 15 2024, 07:57 AM)

5) Now,latest news yesterday is Petroleum Sarawak (PETROS) will take over natural gas trading activities from Petronas in July.

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need to consider buy house there liao
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:17 AM)
Im not sarawakian. But i do work with people involve. Its not a negative statement u know. Its a good thing. All i ask is priorities areas inside sarawak 1st.
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QUOTE(macyhouse @ May 15 2024, 08:26 AM)
walao

need to consider buy house there liao
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good luck with that, the Sarawak Land Code is active. alternatively, maybe buy a 2m property suggested by the premier
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must be nice to be the KINGMAKER in the ruling coalition party right?

enforce this, enforce that, take back this take back that with ZERO RESISTANCE.

good for the future generation sarawakians i think, they pretty much deserve it after 60years of been made as a fool nation

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They need to pump up their population. Huge state with too little population
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QUOTE(drug5 @ May 15 2024, 08:39 AM)
They need to pump up their population. Huge state with too little population
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IIRC this will be a joint project with Semenanjung's TNB.
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So much surplus electricity then should build the EV infrastructure lah...
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
Sarawak need more people.

It cannot go anywhere if population still low.
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Dude, this ain’t no 80s no more.

There AI and automations > huge populations of Banglas for your sweatshops.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 15 2024, 08:04 AM)
You sarawakian? You got first hand experience in this statement?
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I bet it’s another WM mistaken Sabah for Sarawak, kekwa
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ May 15 2024, 08:47 AM)
So much surplus electricity then should build the EV infrastructure lah...
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you need actual money to build the said infrastructure. where to get the money? sell lo.
surplus x= money
it's like got oil but cannot just build the country, you need to process it first ma.
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
one more.. Sarawak Airlines will take over MAG Borneo subsidiary (MASWings). They plan to acquire COMAC C919 for narrowbody plane.
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Sos mana?

Given the small market of Sarawak, Embraer or A220 could be better choice.
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I believe in 5 to 10 years time, Sarawak will be advanced in its technological innovation


when sembang sure kencang
sarawak = advanced tech, what a joke




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QUOTE(nelson969 @ May 15 2024, 08:24 AM)
too early to predict, these thing need wait minimum 20-30 years to see the effect

but eh using everything english is good

sarawak and sabah should already independant if they want...
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yes they should leave msis n join Singapore most importantly

before the toxic "race n religion" poison destroy them

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QUOTE(11c @ May 15 2024, 07:57 AM)
STAR NW Kudos to Sarawak, a state to be emulated by the Peninsula! Why?

Reasons as follows:

1) Sarawak secondary schools will be teaching Maths&Science subjects in English from 2026. 

2) The state will also bring back assessments for Year 6 and Form 3 students,replacing the scrapped UPSR and PT3 exams.

3) Sarawak will be the first state to produce green hydrogen for export.

4) Its the first state to introduce Autonomous Rapid Transit (ART) for its Kuching Urban Transportation System (KUTS).This is a trackless articulated hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle running on dedicated lines.Now JB wants to follow suit for its LRT linking to RTS-Singapore, as its cheaper than building elevated tracks.

5) Now,latest news yesterday is Petroleum Sarawak (PETROS) will take over natural gas trading activities from Petronas in July.

6) It has offered itself as a regional host for SEA Games 2027.

7) Lastly, Sarawak will export electricity power to Singapore from 2031.

I believe in 5 to 10 years time, Sarawak will be advanced in its technological innovation, matching developed nations like Singapore. ALL above reasons will attract more tourists, investment and inbound migration to the state.

Lee Hui Seng,
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Not only to SG. Peninsular MY as well in collab with Tenaga Nasional. A point to highlight the cable to SG will be paid by SG. Undertaking by SG.
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QUOTE(g5sim @ May 15 2024, 09:21 AM)
Not only to SG. Peninsular MY as well in collab with Tenaga Nasional. A point to highlight the cable to SG will be paid by SG. Undertaking by SG.
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IIRC, most of the sea between SG and Sarawak are under Indon. Already settle with them?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 15 2024, 08:06 AM)
From Sarawak, could land in sg.
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Sarawak Indo SG
Sarawak has interest in multiple new Indo hydro power projects.
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dun worry, after 5 years will want to up price. Then complain bitterly kenot due to contract. Next administration will then call previous bodoh.

Then bolehland will have another excuse to gribe about sinkieland. History will repeat. Inevitable.
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QUOTE(msacras @ May 15 2024, 09:25 AM)
IIRC, most of the sea between SG and Sarawak are under Indon. Already settle with them?
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undersea cable undertaking by SG. SARAWAK has extremely good relationships with Kalimantan. Both sides are des border control are like brothers. When we catch Kalimantan people illegally coming in., tangkap gambar, lodge police report n told to return. Photos in the news with face blurred. Indo got general consulate in Kuching. Just recently he warm indo not to do hanky panky things especially in drugs
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still didn't connect sarawak's grid to sabah zzzz

sarawak's msot expensive tariff is rm0.31 while sabah is rm0.47. We also want to use greener electricity ler
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Hope Sarawak doesn't fall to a lopsided agreement that requires decades for any changes or price increase.

Already enough they got cheated with their own local politicians that amassed billions of wealth for 7 generations.

Hope the locals were given the priority now after decades of neglect.
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QUOTE(msacras @ May 15 2024, 08:49 AM)
Dude, this ain’t no 80s no more.

There AI and automations > huge populations of Banglas for your sweatshops.
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Kidding?

2.5m population the size of land larger than west MY ?

You only think output but not the consumer market of the state.

Even at this state of population, Sarawak need to get Indon for the worker.
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
sawarak should focus on their own people first before talking about exporting power. right now soo many people with no or unstable power supply there even basic services are interupted on daily basis.

Good move tho but please. give all electricity coverage 1st before exporting it
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In Borneo.. thanks to bakun and other hydro dams

Sarawak is a major energy player


Why not make money while U have excess power? Make bank then can buat mcm2
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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 15 2024, 09:30 AM)
still didn't connect sarawak's grid to sabah zzzz

sarawak's msot expensive tariff is rm0.31 while sabah is rm0.47. We also want to use greener electricity ler
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QUOTE(JoeK @ May 15 2024, 08:05 AM)
Sarawak has a lot hydropower, and singapore wants green energy

Singapore dont want coal power from peninsular malaysia
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Hydro is green energy but comes with a hefty price .. alot of environmentalists do not consider hydro to be green ..
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 15 2024, 09:33 AM)
Kidding?

2.5m population the size of land larger than west MY ?

You only think output but not the consumer market of the state.

Even at this state of population, Sarawak need to get Indon for the worker.
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Kan indon is right at next door, that’s the target for consumer market. No point pumping up own populations only to end up need to fork out more subsidies to feed them.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 15 2024, 08:44 AM)
IIRC this will be a joint project with Semenanjung's TNB.
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https://dayakdaily.com/minister-west-msia-i...bah-kalimantan/

"“The proposed project to connect electricity supply from Sarawak to West Malaysia is still at the preliminary study stage by Sarawak Energy Berhad (Sarawak Energy) and Tenaga Nasional Berhad (TNB),” he said when tabling his ministerial winding-up speech at the Sarawak Legislative Assembly (DUS) sitting here today.

When asked about the imposition of charges to West Malaysia, Julaihi, during a press conference afterwards, stated that this matter is still under commercial negotiation and that its outcome will be kept confidential until Sarawak Energy decides to announce it.

He further explained that the electricity export from Sarawak to West Malaysia would be implemented by using an undersea cable passing through Indonesia’s Muri-Midai corridor, similar to the electricity export from Sarawak to Singapore."

"“Thus, they (West Malaysia) have to bear it (the cost). Whoever is the buyer (of Sarawak’s electricity) they have to bear the cost. It’s not us. We are only selling the electricity,” he explained."
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woah good news since sabah had been experiencing some rolling blackouts at some areas
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QUOTE(11c @ May 15 2024, 07:57 AM)
STAR NW Kudos to Sarawak, a state to be emulated by the Peninsula! Why?

Reasons as follows:

1) Sarawak secondary schools will be teaching Maths&Science subjects in English from 2026. 

2) The state will also bring back assessments for Year 6 and Form 3 students,replacing the scrapped UPSR and PT3 exams.

3) Sarawak will be the first state to produce green hydrogen for export.

4) Its the first state to introduce Autonomous Rapid Transit (ART) for its Kuching Urban Transportation System (KUTS).This is a trackless articulated hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle running on dedicated lines.Now JB wants to follow suit for its LRT linking to RTS-Singapore, as its cheaper than building elevated tracks.

5) Now,latest news yesterday is Petroleum Sarawak (PETROS) will take over natural gas trading activities from Petronas in July.

6) It has offered itself as a regional host for SEA Games 2027.

7) Lastly, Sarawak will export electricity power to Singapore from 2031.

I believe in 5 to 10 years time, Sarawak will be advanced in its technological innovation, matching developed nations like Singapore. ALL above reasons will attract more tourists, investment and inbound migration to the state.

Lee Hui Seng,
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Actually which company will supply Electricity to Spore?
West Malaysia has TNB.
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UNCLOS grants freedom to lay submarine cable in EEZ. Specifically article 79 (part VI).

EEZ or exclusive economic zone is not territorial waters. It merely grants certain rights to coastal states to exploit its resources.

The area between bolehland west and east are mostly EEZ. The cable will run thru malaysia territorial waters on both sides.

This cable, Indonesia little say.
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anak sendiri di hutan Borneo mati kegelapan.
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
sawarak should focus on their own people first before talking about exporting power. right now soo many people with no or unstable power supply there even basic services are interupted on daily basis.

Good move tho but please. give all electricity coverage 1st before exporting it
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Everyone can talk big without investment.

Whatchu can do without moni?

Soviet Russia intend to bring more moni to develop la....
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QUOTE(giftfre @ May 15 2024, 09:44 AM)
Actually which company will supply Electricity to Spore?
West Malaysia has TNB.
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https://dayakdaily.com/minister-west-msia-i...bah-kalimantan/

In the same winding-up speech, Julaihi also informed the august House that the federal government had approved the Sarawak government’s proposal to implement the undersea cable project spanning 720km from Tondong, Sarawak to Changi, Singapore, through Indonesia’s Muri-Midai corridor.

“The current status of the electricity supply interconnection project from Sarawak to Singapore is at the technical research stage, including undersea cable survey work.

“This cable project will be underwritten by Singapore. This interconnection project is expected to operate commercially in 2031,” he said.

"Whoever is the buyer (of Sarawak’s electricity) they have to bear the cost. It’s not us. We are only selling the electricity,” he explained.
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if they start to supply sg, confirm the local rate will shoot to cope with the price being sold to SG
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ May 15 2024, 09:35 AM)
In Borneo.. thanks to bakun and other hydro dams

Sarawak is a major energy player
Why not make money while U have excess power? Make bank then can buat mcm2
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I cannot brain how the electricity can be transfer to SG.

That's a bloody long distance for a power transmission.

Back to earliest when Bakun is construct, we plan transmit the power to west. Till now no nothing news.
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
sawarak should focus on their own people first before talking about exporting power. right now soo many people with no or unstable power supply there even basic services are interupted on daily basis.

Good move tho but please. give all electricity coverage 1st before exporting it
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Agreeable...Question is how does the export of electricity benefit the ppl in Swak ? If there is no benefit to the local people, then what is the point of the project ?
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I cannot brain how the electricity can be transfer to SG.

That's a bloody long distance for a power transmission.

Back to earliest when Bakun is construct, we plan transmit the power to west. Till now no nothing news.
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Internet U think come from where?
Undersea cables Kan?

It's not that ridiculous
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woah good news since sabah had been experiencing some rolling blackouts at some areas
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https://www.theborneopost.com/2023/05/19/sa...upply-to-sabah/

"SESB and Syarikat SESCO Berhad, a subsidiary of Sarawak Energy, on 6 August 2021 signed a Power Exchange Agreement and an Interconnection Agreement."

“In the agreement, the total initial electricity export is 30MW for a term. In certain circumstances, the maximum we can import is 300 MW. We will use this flexibility to accommodate the reserve margin, backup."
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actually little different from internet cable. only thing required is probably a repeater to reduce power loss (voltage drop). That's why super long cables nowadays possible.

this project is just 1 of many for sinkieland. They also have sama sama for cambodia, vietnam and indo. many longer than 1000km (which will be longer than the 720km in this project). ASEAN power grid.
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Internet U think come from where?
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It's not that ridiculous
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That's signal fiber.

Not mega watt power transmission for a long distance. Is the tech already available?
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Agreeable...Question is how does the export of electricity benefit the ppl in Swak ? If there is no benefit to the local people, then what is the point of the project ?
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Sell electricity to Singapore and West Malaysia (and maybe Sabah) at a higher rate.

Use it to cross subsidise electricity rates for Sarawakians in Sarawak.

Sarawak has been selling electricity to West Kalimantan since 2016:
https://www.theborneopost.com/2022/08/28/gr...n-power-sector/
https://www.adb.org/sites/default/files/lin...-013-ino-ea.pdf


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That's signal fiber.

Not mega watt power transmission for a long distance. Is the tech already available?
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 15 2024, 09:47 AM)
I cannot brain how the electricity can be transfer to SG.

That's a bloody long distance for a power transmission.

Back to earliest when Bakun is construct, we plan transmit the power to west. Till now no nothing news.
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Sarawak will be our largest renewable energy hub. Renewable energy is the next century oil. Even Saudi invested heavily in renewable energy now.
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 15 2024, 09:56 AM)
That's signal fiber.

Not mega watt power transmission for a long distance. Is the tech already available?
On length

Yes, world's longest subsea power cable (longer than 720km suggested) already built.
https://electrek.co/2023/09/04/worlds-longe...ea-power-cable/

3800km suggested. In theory, how long doesn't matter so long as got repeater.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/underwater-power-cable

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On sarawak price, with all the energy projects Sarawak electricity generation capacity by 2030 will be in excess of 9 GW of which demand by 2030 is expected to be 6.6GW leaving at least 2.4GW excess. Sabah won't need that much.

This is really selling excess infrastructure to deep pockets.

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actually little different from internet cable. only thing required is probably a repeater to reduce power loss (voltage drop). That's why super long cables nowadays possible.

this project is just 1 of many for sinkieland. They also have sama sama for cambodia, vietnam and indo. many longer than 1000km (which will be longer than the 720km in this project). ASEAN power grid.
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To transmit such a long distance, the voltage have to be very high. The cable insulation is crazy thick. Voltage drop % and heat generate. The cable is under the sea and corrosion, shark attack.

And is that easy to repair?

And I cannot imagine the cost.
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 08:03 AM)
sawarak should focus on their own people first before talking about exporting power. right now soo many people with no or unstable power supply there even basic services are interupted on daily basis.

Good move tho but please. give all electricity coverage 1st before exporting it
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hearsay statement or wad? where unstable power supply?
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hearsay statement or wad? where unstable power supply?
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No difference from existing submarine internet cable. Same way to repair.

All cable are laid on sea bed (not easily disturbed). If damaged, submarine cable repair ships just lift damage section, remove section and re-connect. Not rocket science. If you have seen submarine cable, they are actually not very big but wrapped in insulation (no issue of corrosion).
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 15 2024, 09:56 AM)
That's signal fiber.

Not mega watt power transmission for a long distance. Is the tech already available?
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The longest electricity HVDC submarine power cable is 765 kilometres: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Link

The length between Tondong, Sarawak to Changi, Singapore is about 700-720KM:
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/s...-sarawak-energy
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...singapore/52660
https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/699156

Theoretically, it is possible.

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yes HVDC is logical. They use a step up transformer at transmitting end and step down once it lands to connect back to AC.
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QUOTE(ozak @ May 15 2024, 09:47 AM)
I cannot brain how the electricity can be transfer to SG.

That's a bloody long distance for a power transmission.

Back to earliest when Bakun is construct, we plan transmit the power to west. Till now no nothing news.
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They can connect UK electricity to Europe mainland using deep sea cables. It will be the same here.

https://www.nationalgrid.com/stories/energy...interconnectors.


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what people don't realise is that when building a dam, the size is based on water flow etc. Hence the dam cost is same whether lower flow or max flow. The hydro projects clearly has excess capacity. Selling excess capacity to recover infrastructure cost makes sense.

Sinkie probably will fund the HVDC (looks like around ~RM7-10B). That is really what sinkie consumer will pay more & most in terms of.

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STAR NW Kudos to Sarawak, a state to be emulated by the Peninsula! Why?

Reasons as follows:

1) Sarawak secondary schools will be teaching Maths&Science subjects in English from 2026. 

2) The state will also bring back assessments for Year 6 and Form 3 students,replacing the scrapped UPSR and PT3 exams.

3) Sarawak will be the first state to produce green hydrogen for export.

4) Its the first state to introduce Autonomous Rapid Transit (ART) for its Kuching Urban Transportation System (KUTS).This is a trackless articulated hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle running on dedicated lines.Now JB wants to follow suit for its LRT linking to RTS-Singapore, as its cheaper than building elevated tracks.

5) Now,latest news yesterday is Petroleum Sarawak (PETROS) will take over natural gas trading activities from Petronas in July.

6) It has offered itself as a regional host for SEA Games 2027.

7) Lastly, Sarawak will export electricity power to Singapore from 2031.

I believe in 5 to 10 years time, Sarawak will be advanced in its technological innovation, matching developed nations like Singapore. ALL above reasons will attract more tourists, investment and inbound migration to the state.

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ May 15 2024, 09:52 AM)
actually little different from internet cable. only thing required is probably a repeater to reduce power loss (voltage drop). That's why super long cables nowadays possible.

this project is just 1 of many for sinkieland. They also have sama sama for cambodia, vietnam and indo. many longer than 1000km (which will be longer than the 720km in this project). ASEAN power grid.
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Repeaters need power, right?
We use power to boost signal (in the case of internet cables). We don't use power to boost power.
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PRC already use 1000kV for long distance transmission line.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 15 2024, 10:07 AM)

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off topic a bit, but reminds me of Japan.

They have 2 grids, one at 50 Hz, and another at 60 Hz.

Buy a microwave in Japan and the instructions say which part of Japan can you use it.

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If fun if you're moving from Kagoshima to Tokyo (and vice versa) and you want to bring your appliances.

The frequency boundary cuts through the Gunma, Shizuoka, and Niigata prefectures.

Fun times when you're moving within Myoko/Itoigawa city and need to know which part of the grid you're on.

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from panjat pokok to this
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There was once a proposal for Singapore to import electricity from Australia. The power cable involved is even longer...

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ May 15 2024, 10:30 AM)
PRC already use 1000kV for long distance transmission line.
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Not under water tho
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QUOTE(haya @ May 15 2024, 10:35 AM)
Underwater cable is with insulator, technically feasible.

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QUOTE(river.sand @ May 15 2024, 10:24 AM)
Repeaters need power, right?
We use power to boost signal (in the case of internet cables). We don't use power to boost power.
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They are sending DC for less power loss. So Sarawak -> AC -> DC --------> Inverter at Singapore -> AC again.
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they also buying from laos, so which 1 cheaper?
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Sarawak has a lot hydropower, and singapore wants green energy

Singapore dont want coal power from peninsular malaysia
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QUOTE(darkterror15 @ May 15 2024, 02:36 PM)
they also buying from laos, so which 1 cheaper?
Laos is just a test run. That is supplied by proxy ie Laos is supplying Thailand, which is supplying Bolehland, and then Bolehland supply to Sinkieland via an upgraded MY-SG connector that can supply 1GW electricity either way.

The real deals will only happen post 2030, mainly via direct to sinkieland HVDC undersea power cables. Many years later.
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Why not ask TNB , YTL ???

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Hydropower is green?  dont forget the forest being destroy when the dam is filled
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1 time damage only

Compare to Solar , u have toxic waste and cut down forrest for solar farm
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Hydropower is green?  dont forget the forest being destroy when the dam is filled
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sinkieland looking for renewable electricity import to reach net zero. They don't want electricity import generated by fossil fuels (TNB/YTL - mostly peninsular fossil fuel).

Sarawak is ideal cos lots of dams ie hydropower. Sinkieland won't dare to rely solely on bolehland, too much potong risk. That's why projects include renewable electricity from Cambodia (1GW), Vietnam (1.2GW) and indonesia (2GW).
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5 to 10 years to match Singapore?
They are on high speed train, how to chase?
Sarawak need 5 to 10 years to develop proper infra to support all the so call development.
Sarawak also don't have so many workforce to do such development, unless they allow bangla workforce to move in.

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All the dams will be built even if no sale to sinkieland.
https://www.thevibes.com/articles/news/1006...roelectric-dams

Ask sarawak government why need so many....

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If not johor then the cable should land where?
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QUOTE(11c @ May 15 2024, 12:57 AM)
STAR NW Kudos to Sarawak, a state to be emulated by the Peninsula! Why?

Reasons as follows:

1) Sarawak secondary schools will be teaching Maths&Science subjects in English from 2026. 

2) The state will also bring back assessments for Year 6 and Form 3 students,replacing the scrapped UPSR and PT3 exams.

3) Sarawak will be the first state to produce green hydrogen for export.

4) Its the first state to introduce Autonomous Rapid Transit (ART) for its Kuching Urban Transportation System (KUTS).This is a trackless articulated hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle running on dedicated lines.Now JB wants to follow suit for its LRT linking to RTS-Singapore, as its cheaper than building elevated tracks.

5) Now,latest news yesterday is Petroleum Sarawak (PETROS) will take over natural gas trading activities from Petronas in July.

6) It has offered itself as a regional host for SEA Games 2027.

7) Lastly, Sarawak will export electricity power to Singapore from 2031.

I believe in 5 to 10 years time, Sarawak will be advanced in its technological innovation, matching developed nations like Singapore. ALL above reasons will attract more tourists, investment and inbound migration to the state.

Lee Hui Seng,
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They need to pump up their population. Huge state with too little population
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Sabah population increased a lot, compared to Sarawak. May be another Project M?
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Have you looked at a world map? Singapore looks to be nearer to Sarawak than Johore.
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QUOTE(smsid @ May 15 2024, 02:33 AM)
Hope Sarawak doesn't fall to a lopsided agreement that requires decades for any changes or price increase.

Already enough they got cheated with their own local politicians that amassed billions of wealth for 7 generations.

Hope the locals were given the priority now after decades of neglect.
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Hydro is green energy but comes with a hefty price .. alot of environmentalists do not consider hydro to be green ..
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Agreeable...Question is how does the export of electricity benefit the ppl in Swak ? If there is no benefit to the local people, then what is the point of the project ?
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Let's see....

Sarawak got excess electricity.
Sell electricity to Singapore and got money from Singapore.
Money from Singapore bring no benefit to people?
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QUOTE(Jasonist @ May 15 2024, 08:04 AM)
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Electricity to produce hydrogen. Export hydrogen. Hydrogen convert back to electricity

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this one....sometimes not federal issue...it's 50/50
sometimes money is given but money don't know go where

*cough*kelantan*cough* *cough*sabah*cough* laugh.gif
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Federal have the power to run the project . If they think the money might not handle properly. They can handle it a to z.
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All the dams will be built even if no sale to sinkieland.
https://www.thevibes.com/articles/news/1006...roelectric-dams

Ask sarawak government why need so many....
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question is only when need then built? you know building dam is a long process? tomorow need today can built?
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QUOTE(SuperGampang @ May 15 2024, 04:48 PM)
Federal have the power to run the project . If they think the money might not handle properly. They can handle it a to z.
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if everything also federal thn might as well abolish state gov laugh.gif

me as sabahan 1st one to raise my hand to support laugh.gif
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QUOTE(11c @ May 15 2024, 07:57 AM)
STAR NW Kudos to Sarawak, a state to be emulated by the Peninsula! Why?

Reasons as follows:

1) Sarawak secondary schools will be teaching Maths&Science subjects in English from 2026. 

2) The state will also bring back assessments for Year 6 and Form 3 students,replacing the scrapped UPSR and PT3 exams.

3) Sarawak will be the first state to produce green hydrogen for export.

4) Its the first state to introduce Autonomous Rapid Transit (ART) for its Kuching Urban Transportation System (KUTS).This is a trackless articulated hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle running on dedicated lines.Now JB wants to follow suit for its LRT linking to RTS-Singapore, as its cheaper than building elevated tracks.

5) Now,latest news yesterday is Petroleum Sarawak (PETROS) will take over natural gas trading activities from Petronas in July.

6) It has offered itself as a regional host for SEA Games 2027.

7) Lastly, Sarawak will export electricity power to Singapore from 2031.

I believe in 5 to 10 years time, Sarawak will be advanced in its technological innovation, matching developed nations like Singapore. ALL above reasons will attract more tourists, investment and inbound migration to the state.

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I don't hear any talks of new PP being set up in Swk anytime soon. Bakun? another headache on its own. export to Sinkie? through what? cable? who's gonna pay for it? lulz.
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Sarawak will be our largest renewable energy hub. Renewable energy is the next century oil. Even Saudi invested heavily in renewable energy now.
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lol people think hydro is green energy & last forever.
dams have a usable life & the later cost of decommission will be huge. thats not yet considering the environmental & social impact to local communities. i thought sarawak was going into carbon capture as well? can't do that if you flood the forest to build hydro.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 15 2024, 04:54 PM)
if everything also federal thn might as well abolish state gov laugh.gif

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Then federal need to have a certain level of trust and let state ran the project.
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but somehow some gov and some people cannot be trusted
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post May 15 2024, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ May 15 2024, 05:05 PM)
lol people think hydro is green energy & last forever.
dams have a usable life & the later cost of decommission will be huge. thats not yet considering the environmental & social impact to local communities. i thought sarawak was going into carbon capture as well? can't do that if you flood the forest to build hydro.
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Den use wat? TIBERIUM?
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post May 15 2024, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ May 15 2024, 09:27 PM)
Den use wat? TIBERIUM?
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don't export fake green energy
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post May 15 2024, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ May 15 2024, 09:33 PM)
don't export fake green energy
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I see you can't even take a joke.


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post May 15 2024, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(msacras @ May 15 2024, 08:51 AM)
I bet it’s another WM mistaken Sabah for Sarawak, kekwa
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Yes, it sounds like it.

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post May 16 2024, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ May 15 2024, 03:36 PM)
WM politicians better?
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Nop, but semenanjung getting the blame for their own politician amassing wealth that can last 7 generations ain't good either.

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post May 17 2024, 01:17 AM

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Nah, Sarawak better focus on their own people and infra first before tapping into this project

Or

Charge Sg kaw kaw for this service.
This is the time to make money to compensate what they have enjoyed from the water deal
zerorating
post May 17 2024, 04:54 AM

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so they are selling a reneweable source(hydrogen) came from unrealiable reneweble energy via one long distribution pipe? thats kinda dumb business model, hopefully they dont overcommit as the penalties could bankrupt the state.
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post May 17 2024, 06:29 AM

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QUOTE(touristking @ May 15 2024, 03:31 PM)
Have you looked at a world map? Singapore looks to be nearer to Sarawak than Johore.
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I tot u r in tourism, how can SG nearer to SRW than the east coast of Johor like Pengerang. Take a good look of d map.
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post May 17 2024, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ May 16 2024, 09:54 PM)
so they are selling a reneweable source(hydrogen) came from unrealiable reneweble energy via one long distribution pipe? thats kinda dumb business model, hopefully they dont overcommit as the penalties could bankrupt the state.
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Hydro power is as reliable/unreliable as any other power.

As for pipe?






 

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